Tuesday May 13, 2008, 2:47 pm
Thank you Trudi/noted.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:06 pm
AMEN, Trudi!! Thank you, I couldn't have said it better!! Noted!!

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:06 pm
Thnx for posting Trudi!!!

:)

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:11 pm
Thanks, Trudi -- Duly noted; I hope I haven't inadvertantly done this. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:17 pm
Lydia,I am afraid a lot of us have signed these kind of petitions more than once.It does not matter, as long as we are learning from our mistakes.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:21 pm
im sick & tired getting no valid petitions with wrong targets..thx Trudi

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:22 pm
Okay I am the dummy her someone tell me how to tell so I wont be wasting my time with the one that aint goin nowhares....

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:27 pm
Some of the petitions I have seen lately are useless. They are poorly thought out, poorly written and addressed to no specific organization. There is no plan of presenting the petition once it has or may have reached its objective signature goals. There is no target. There is no objective.

I would like to see, in the subject, the title of the petition so I know and can see what it is. It simply says "Action Alert from Joe Blow". I have to open each one, each letter to find out what the petition is. Sometimes, it is a petition I have already signed, thus I have wasted my time. The person who has sent me the petition has also wasted her/his time as well.

The idea of a petition is worthwhile endeavour but only if the petition is properly done and with an objective, a target, a presentation.

TY, Trudi.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:40 pm
Amen Jim.
Stephanie,a target is where the petition will be sent to.You can read it in the"article".

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:41 pm
As you and I said today Trudi me too, I'm sick to death of these Action Alerts, I want to throw my hands up and say the heck with it. No faces on them and it takes forever because you have to go through them and look for them. Think I'm going to have to change it. For I send them and I get them back with in a day or so. Once I send them I should never see it again. The ball is getting dropped. GRRRR!! almost makes s--t my pants. oooppppsss!!! Thanks Trudi noted

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:42 pm
noted, and thankx trudi.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:44 pm
THANK YOU TRUDY I WILL TRY MY BEST SOMETIMES I GET GOING AND GET CARRIED AWAY AND SOME TIME IF I SEE SOMETHING ABOUT A CERTAIN PLACE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A TARGET I WILL STOP AND LOOK UP INFORMATION AND POST IT TO MY COMMENT AS TO WHERE WE CAN RESPOND TO LIKE THE ONE WITH TRADER JOE IF YOU REMEMBER I DO THAT TO A LOT OF THEM IF THAT IS OKEY

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 3:44 pm
Thanks. I thought I had read somewhere a while ago that a petition wasn't valid unless it was physically signed, but I sign anyway. I will re-think this. Thank You

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 4:03 pm
Noted! Thanks Trudi. I read the petitions before I sign them and there have been some that I was unsure of and I didn't sign them. I generally sign petitions with a comment as most of you know. I will say this, if a petition is of a political nature, NUMBERS DO COUNT! Most people involved in government take a good long look at who signed and the demographics from where they are. I can tell you that with some certainty.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 4:22 pm
NOTED--THANKS SO MUCH TRUDI--I AM SO SICK OF THE NEW "ACTION ALERTS" WHICH TAKE FOREVER TO GO THROUGH, CAUSE CAN'T TELL WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT (MOST ARE REPEATS) GO TO PETITION AND FIND "BASICALLY NOTHING"!! I DON'T SIGN OR FORWARD JUNK PETITIONS!

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 4:30 pm
Noted with thanks, Trudi.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 4:35 pm
Anyone giving more info about these invalid petitions,please step forward!
As far as I can see it,since Care2 invented the sending of action alerts we are getting bombed with petitions that will never be delivered.So let's please spread the word to those who need to know.Thank you Elle,and Brenda:those words could be mine.I fully agree.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 4:39 pm
Thanks for coming up with this Trudi.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:01 pm
contact care 2 and ask them to bring back the old petitions for I have heard these are just a trial run any way. Geesss just get rid of them!!! they are a pain in the oh yea!!! The more people that contact them they will pay attention.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:07 pm
Trudi, excellent idea to do this. You really woke me up to pay more attention on the petitions with your message yesterday. Thanx.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:14 pm
I've been automatically deleting these
damnable action alerts since shortly after
they started going around.
Do people NOT see that they can sign the
petition WITHOUT sending it on to others?
Hey, Care2?
The action alerts aren't working, people are
getting pissed-off, and no one likes them!
Get rid of 'em, please!
Kudos to you, Trudi, for starting
this news-to-note! A brilliant idea!
noted.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:17 pm
Thank you Trudi!

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:26 pm
Thanks Trudi, there needs to be a model set up for new petition writers and that would be simple to do. As Jim P says, there could be a simple format to follow, but lets not forget that petitions are written for many reasons. The most important is to bring public attention to a serious problem, regardless if it goes to a target or if the target even reads it, which many times they don't. Petitions are still one of the best public information campaigns we have, and many large organizations would attest to that, and which is why they continue spending needed moneys to send them out. The public tends to pay more attention to petitions than letters of concern, so all is not lost and I would not discontinue sending them for that important reason. It bring knowledge about a problem, and empowerment. We should put our efforts into teaching people how to write a good petition, and many in this thread have the skills to do that. Why can't we write to the petition writer and ask them to put a target on their petition or help them instead discounting a noble cause? Most people are not professional writers and many/most have good intentions!! Lets help instead of insulting those who are trying to help...our friends! Noted

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:38 pm
Thank, Ron. I send them because of their cause. It's because if it can change one person's mind -- it's made a difference. I read and note everyone's articles every day -- never complain about it. Those take 80% of my time on this network. I'm only on this network because of the petitions. Now I've lost my luster to send anyone anything. If someone doesn't like my action alerts -- just drop me as a friend. I won't take it personally. It's too hard to remember who I can send-to or not.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:38 pm
On another not...I agree that this new "Action Alert" system is a REALLY BAD IDEA and it has caused me to ignore a lot of petitions because of like Jim P says, it's "1" petition. It is far too time consuming, the type of "Action Alert" needs to be in the subject line, and it's brought Care2 activity to a screeching halt. Frankly...it's a pain in the A**!!! Many have complained also...nothing!! Lets go back to the old system and quit using the new one!! Simple?

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:41 pm
Thank you for your comment,Ron.I appreciate information to be added in the comments.Fact remains that Care2 should haver never started with this easy way of sending on actionalerts to friends.
Result of this is that people delete without reading,or sign without properly checking,or spend hours checking their mailbox and at the end ,like the title says,wasting a lot of precious time.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:44 pm
Trudi,

Thank you so much for this! When I now read a petition, without a specific target, I reply to the author and try to give them some tips on how to form up the petition a little better. This has been pretty effective and many of the authors have written me back and have made changes to their petitions. I think that many people mean well, but they don't really know what to do. People get passionate about something, but then they don't know where to go from that point. I don't mind signing petitions, but I won't sign them if I think that they are not going to be put to good use.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:51 pm
Hi Erika, your first sentence said it all...changing peoples minds, or even making them aware that a problem exists is SO important!! The hard work that the forwarders do [information bringers] might be better spent by copy/paste several "Action Alerts" into one message because it saves everybody time, and writing what the petitions are about in the subject line. I showed 3 members how to do this a couple weeks ago and all of them thanked me. Its saves them time because forwarding is time consuming, and it save the receiver time from opening countless messages. Please don't get disappointed Erika...you and members like you are the life blood of Care2. We just need to figure out the best and fastest system. If people don't like what you send, they have a delete button...one second to delete. No one knows who wants what. It's up to the receiver.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 5:55 pm
Erika,it's the petitions that are not being properly created that are a waste of time checking,not the ones that are worth being signed.I just think we have to make people aware of that.
And Cory,your comment shows that if we talk about this,people will be more careful when signing.

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 6:14 pm
Yes, I agree Trudi. It seems that the new system is meant to needlessly wast as much time as possible. What were they thinking? When I see an ill written petition, I try to bring it to the attention of the writer. When I first came to this thread, I contacted Molly who has the Orangutan petition and asked her who the target way, what the target date of the was, and told her that many members may not sign her petition without that added. We'll see what her response is. The other issue is this "Action Alert" problem. I wish they would fix it, or remove it. It stinks of bad Elderberries!! Thanks my friend!! This needs to be discussed, as I will soon be bald from pulling all my hair out!!

Tuesday May 13, 2008, 6:37 pm
Noted, my friend.