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"The Painful Truth: The Haiti Disaster Is Good for the Jews."


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Dave
- 1698 days ago - mondoweiss.net
"Finally, someone in the Knesset has done the right thing, deciding to take advantage of the opportunity to prove to the world how kindhearted and capable we are. Every disaster-area needs a hero, and right now we are it. . ."



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Dave C. (867)
Sunday January 24, 2010, 10:52 pm
"The Painful Truth: The Haiti Disaster Is Good for the Jews."

Well now - that sounds awfully familiar. . .

"It's very good....Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy for Israel". - Response of former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu when asked on September 11, 2001 what the attacks meant for U.S.-Israeli relations. . .
 

Dave C. (867)
Sunday January 24, 2010, 11:51 pm
". . .the Haiti disaster is the best thing that could have happened to us."

I rest my case.
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Sunday January 24, 2010, 11:57 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday January 25, 2010, 12:35 am
Good old Netanyahooo!...Always an expert in cashing in, be it Haiti or the never ending "settlement" expansion...If it wasn't so pathetically sad it would be funny.

Thank you Dave.
 

Dave C. (867)
Monday January 25, 2010, 12:49 am
David, this is just priceless and just what I've been saying all along, but I couldn't have made this up - talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Monday January 25, 2010, 1:50 am
There is no doubt that Israel/Netanyahu is an opportunist.On an other thread one of Israeli supporters said that Israel is the best humanitarian state on the planet.My comment there and here as well is: Yes and the proof is obvious to every body around the glob.On the Palestinians stolen land a lot of settlements are being built. The USA made bombers/fighters bombed Palestinian homes,schools,ambulances....etc.Even UNRWA schools under UN flag were bombed.Palestinians olive trees were extracted ,pulled out so that there won't be more olive trees (symbol of peace ). Have you seen the most humanitarian state on the planet.

Did you know that Gaza is sending aid to Haiti as well despite the miser Gazans are encountering.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Monday January 25, 2010, 2:19 am
Yeah, people who support the aggressive, colonial, apartheid state of Israel are promoting news about what Israel has done to help the people of Haiti a little bit.

However, compared with what Venezuela, Cuba and the other countries of A.L.B.A. have done for the people of Haiti, Israeli aid is very small!!!

And on top of that, while Venezuela, Cuba and other countries in A.L.B.A. campaign for the human rights of the Indigenous people of Palestine, Israel is oppressing the Indigenous people of Palestine, instead.

Here is news about what Venezuela, Cuba and the other countries of A.L.B.A. have done for the people of Haiti:


"Venezuela Steps Up Aid Effort to Haiti, Questions U.S. Military Deployment"

http://www.care2.com/news/member/860103097/1365531

"USA has given $130 million & 40 tons of aid to Haiti, on behalf of ~300 million U.S. citizens = $0.43/ U.S. citizen. Venezuela has given over $18 million & 732 tons of aid to Haiti, on behalf of ~26 million Venezuelan citizens = $0.67/ Venezuelan citizen."
 

Elderberry T. (201)
Monday January 25, 2010, 5:20 pm
Taken from Site Comments..."As usual, Israeli PR concentrates on whitewashing bad behavior instead of improving behavior.

This leads to contradictions between Israeli PR efforts and policies, which just reveal Israel’s hypocrisy. Israelis were so pleased with their PR from Haiti that they’re now talking about adopting Haitian orphans. Unfortunately, in the same edition of the news is a report that they are planning to deport the wife and Israeli-born child of an Ethiopian Jewish immigrant because he had a stroke and moved to a nursing home, whereby they are not living as a family unit."

Thanx Dave

 

. (0)
Monday January 25, 2010, 5:43 pm
Wonder why the headline reads '.....good for the Jews' rather than '....good for the Israelis'?

Israel is a political unit which may reasonably be criticized as a whole for the actions of its government, when warranted.

But, "....the Jews".......?
 

Frank G. (209)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 1:28 am
Yes, interesting that Mr. Haas, the Israeli writer, would put it that way in Israel’s second most popular newspaper, Maariv. However, this is in fact the translation of the title provided by Sermoneta-Gertel in the article Dave linked. Also, the Hebrew title in the original source article...

האמת הכואבת: אסון האיטי – טוב ליהודים
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/043/715.html

...is translated by google as "The painful truth: disaster Haiti - good for the Jews".
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 2:15 am
Makes no difference who wrote the title, Frank. It's an inaccurate and irrational phrase. And inaccuracy and irrationality are hardly limited to non-Jews.
 

Frank G. (209)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 2:22 am
Authorship does in fact matter. Some people might have thought that Dave had written or modified the title.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 2:34 am
And the fact that Dave did not write the title, but that it was written by an Israeli, again is immaterial. Because the unfortunate attitude which makes such wording possible exists in a variety of spheres. Among some, it's reflexive and automatic. Which shouldn't be the case.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:16 am
Why not ignore the translation of the title and say it like it is?

"The US funded warmongering Israeli government will kill, maim and destroy palestinian men women and children in its unholy war but will send a little aid to Haiti to make the world think that the Israeli government is "nice" ?

Ho hum, time to get real?
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:23 am
Well, I think that, if it doesn't matter who wrote something, then it is equally irrelevant what was written.

If I don't know who stands behind something, I can not evaluate the cause.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:27 am
Ah, David - how predictable. When those you disapprove of send charitable aid to Haiti, they are doing so as a PR gesture. Wonder if you feel the Palestinian aid to Haiti was also a PR gesture designed to try to get people to think of the leadership of Gaza as promoting charitable giving rather than promoting suicide bombings (if not, I wonder why they filmed the aid process there and disseminated the information and pictures to the world)?

Most people (whether Israeli, Palestinian, American, or otherwise, or whether governmental or individual) who give to charity do so partly out of a desire to get credit for the act (if not, most charitable donations would be made anonymously). And partly because they actually want to help. So what? What matters is that aid is being given. And if the Israelis or Palestinians or Americans get credit for their acts - fine by me.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:31 am
And Jelica - if someone wrote the words, "All women are inferior to men and should never be allowed any form of civil rights in this society" - when it comes to criticizing those words, can we only criticize them if we know who wrote them? Of course not.

The words themselves, regardless of who wrote them, are offensive. As is the substitution of the word "Jew" for "Israeli" when the substitution is inaccurate. Regardless of who made the substitution. It's offensive if an Israeli says it - and its offensive if a Chilean says it.

The words are offensive in any case, even if authored anonymously.
 

pete O. (242)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:43 am
Ive decided to ditch my racial prescription, as it was someone else who told me - what I was. So they could carry on with what - they do, leaving me to defend my peoples integrity.
prfft .... forget that Im just gonna be me.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:53 am
"Ah, David - how predictable. When those you disapprove of".....

Ah Lindsey I do not dissaprove of the general population of Israel, only the would be demi-gods who would wage wars and deny any semblance of peace for its own people or anyone else. (Netanyahu et al)

Good PR for Israel and Netanyahu is a good thing when Netanyahu is fully aware that he is fighting a losing battle in the eyes of the world?
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:54 am
Exactly right, Pete! I always prefer to write in 'human' on any questionnaire that asks my race. Although I'd rather write in 'feline'.....
 

Abdessalam Diab (154)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:02 am
TO Those who think that the Zionist state is humanitarian READ THIS AND JUDGE BY YOURSELVES:

Gazan patients dying in wait for travel permits

Fidaa Talal Hijjy, 18, was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s disease in 2007. At first she was treated at Gaza’s Shifa Hospital, but with her health deteriorating, doctors told her she needed a bone marrow transplant – a procedure which is not available in the Gaza Strip.
Referred to Tel HaShomer Hospital in Israel on 20 August last year, Fidaa obtained an appointment for 23 September for a life-saving transplant, but the Israeli authorities did not respond to her application to cross into Israel, resulting in her missing the appointment.
As her health deteriorated further, she was given a new appointment for 20 October and submitted a new application to Israeli authorities to be able to enter Israel, but yet again, the Israeli authorities did not respond. Her last appointment was set on 9 November, but Israelis only responded three days later. By then, Fidaa had died.
“The day of the funeral we got a call from the Palestinian liaison office saying the Israelis agreed that we should make a fourth appointment,” Amal Hijjy, a relative of Fidaa, said. “I said there’s no need to make another appointment because the girl died yesterday.”
Fidaa is only one of hundreds of Gazans who are refused permission to travel to Israel or other third countries every month for life-saving medical treatment. Last year, 27 Palestinian patients died while waiting for Israeli permits.
Specialised operations such as Fidaa’s, complex heart surgery and treatment for certain types of cancer are not available in Gaza, and patients are referred for treatment outside, but Israeli authorities repeatedly deny or delay exit permits.
According to the World Health Organisation, out of 1,103 applications submitted for travel to Israel last December, 21% had their applications denied or delayed, forcing them to miss their hospital appointments and restart the referral process.
“If that happened in my country, in the UK, in Europe, in Israel, if an individual who needed urgent treatment was unable to get out because of a bureaucratic obstacle, it would be a scandal,” said the head of the World Health Organisation for the Palestinian Territories, Tony Laurance. “Here it happens to 300 or 400 people every month.”
He warned that while Gaza had a sophisticated health care system, this could not be sustained in isolation from the international community.
The Israeli closure of Gaza since Hamas seized power in mid 2007, coupled with last year’s military offensive, has led to a rapidly deteriorating health system. With limited supplies of drugs allowed into Gaza, there are often shortages of medicinals, while essential medical equipment such as x-ray machines, electronic devices and spare parts are next to impossible to bring in.
Even the ban on building materials is affecting essential health facilities – the new surgical wing in Gaza’s main Shifa hospital remains unfinished since 2006, while 15 of Gaza’s 27 hospitals and 43 of 110 primary health care facilities, damaged in the last war, cannot be rebuilt. Meanwhile, the blockade has kept doctors and nurses from pursuing advanced training.
Last Wednesday, the United Nations and over 80 international development agencies expressed their deep concern about the deteriorating situation in Gaza, calling yet again on Israel to lift the crippling blockade.
“We are deeply concerned about the current health system in Gaza and, in particular, its capacity and ability to deliver proper standards of health care to the people of Gaza,” UN Humanitarian Coordinator Max Gaylard said. “This adverse situation is not like Haiti. Haiti has been destroyed by an earthquake. The circumstances here are entirely man-made and can be fixed accordingly.”

www.journeytogaza.blogspot.com
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:25 am
lots here on Richard's Silverstien's site, if anyone wants to c/p a few excerpts from someone who is Jewish and telling the truth.


http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/01/24/maariv-haitis-disaster-good-for-jews/

All help is need for Haiti, no doubt about it, the USA has interfered with supplies getting to the Haitians by alot of NGO's (oxfam,, doctors without boarders) while they move in their military and making most of them go the long ways around to get in, but not Israel giving them a full PR op-ed (they took their own TV station as well), while others have been there for decades helping and the USA blocking more supplies to them OFF or making them go the long ways around, but not Israel.



here is a petitionf ro Haiti, if you have't signed it please do, and forward



http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/196437118.

 

Huda A. (45)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:37 am
Noted thanks! no comment today!
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:47 am
All groups should be commended for taking action in this situation.. I bet if you were under a pile of rubble and dying, you would not mind a Jewish hand pulling you out from the rubble... these people are just like you and I... and I think to criticise and comment the way some have is unfair... the Jewish lads were the first to rescue people, and set up camp so give them some credit.. you may just need them oneday, so do not judge others as you would judge yourselves... we need to be a people that help to bring in peace.. not to divide...
 

Betsy Bee (1058)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:54 am
There is so much pretense here. In the tbeater of the world now, Israel wants to be a "good guy", For me it is impossible to forget the 23 days bombing on Gaza in early 2009. Why? Because 61% of the people of Gaza are unfer 16. Israel classified children as a danger to their state. Now Israel want to appear to the world as charitable.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:12 am
Chaz Gaily Berlusconi wrote: "I bet if you were under a pile of rubble and dying, you would not mind a Jewish hand pulling you out from the rubble... "

- Not if you were an Indigenous person in Palestine - the Israel troops would probably kill you, like how Israeli troops have killed tens of thousands of Palestinians (including mostly civilians in the Israeli mass-murder in Gaza), or the Israeli troops imprison you without trial along with thousands of other Indigenous Palestinians in Israel's prisons.
 

Christoffer Blomlöf (18)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:12 am
Yawn for the article.

Green Star for Lindsey :)
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:12 am
Sounds like the truth is hard to digest, no wonder Dave is banned from care2. Where is the democracy here?
 

Stephen N. (6)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:23 am
What in the world is hasbara? I can't believe Israel would cash in on another country's misery and death. Wait. I keep forgetting Palestine and on and on.
 

Fatima B. (2)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 6:56 am
thanks, noted :)
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 8:10 am
Agree with Lindsey. One shouldn't generalize in such way. Especially on this site.
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (599)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 9:01 am
You cannot currently send a star to Abdessalam because you have done so within the last week.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 9:06 am
I wouldn't be surprised if the Israelis are harvesting organs from the Haitians. They're opportunists and have little regard for people of color. Yep, they were Johnny-On-The-Spot in Haiti right after the disaster hit. If they are such humanitarians, why don't they care about the Palestinians?

Thanks David!!!
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 9:10 am
For those who question my suspicion of Israel harvesting organs, visit this link and you'll find a wealth of information on this subject.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 9:56 am
It's quiet on this thread because the tea party gang is trying to shut down this thread. Let's keep everyone from the truth and keep spreading the lies and misinformation. The painful truth is once they're done with them, they're coming for you. And once they're done with you, they will they will suffocate under their own lies and greed. They're suffocating the US and making slaves out of us all.

Thanks again David for your courage to tell the truth and expose the lies. You are a true hero in my eyes.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 10:02 am
Oh for heaven's sake, Marion - it doesn't take any "courage" to post a story on Care2. Shall we stop overdramatizing? No one is going to come for David in the night for daring to post his news item here......
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 10:39 am
The tea party begs to be heard, lol! Struck a nerve again...they hate to give David credit. Well, the credit is not for the tea party gang. The credit stands for David and his courage to say what they try to deny. Have the last word, Lindsey...it's worthless.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 10:48 am
Not all tea partiers are racists, but all racists are tea partiers. They've morphed from saying they're republicans to distance themselves from the murderous, disastrous Bush Regime. They still have blood on their hands and are responsible for the shame and collapse of the US. These are the same people who supported the wars that funded the murderous Israeli government. If there were ever anti-Americans, anti-humanity, this group is it. As David said...

""The US funded warmongering Israeli government will kill, maim and destroy palestinian men women and children in its unholy war but will send a little aid to Haiti to make the world think that the Israeli government is "nice" ? "
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 10:57 am
Falsely attributing courage and heroism to someone who merely re-prints on a talk forum a story publicly published by others is an insult to those in life who exhibit real courage and heroism.

What we do here on this forum is talk. Debate. Find some interesting stories in various news sources and post links to them. Discuss them.

Sometimes we're able to raise money for a good cause, which is a lovely thing. And on even rarer occasions, a petition (such as the one for Pup Ratchet) actually does some good, which is just as lovely.

But let's not kid ourselves - we aren't going to make a grand impact on the world by chatting on an online forum. Enjoy the experience for what it primarily is - a chance to raise some money for charity at times and a chance to debate both those of like minds and those of opposing minds at all times.

It's fun. It's informative on occasion. It sometimes helps a charity. But it ain't something which requires courage on anyone's part.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 11:14 am
Salaam Alaikum Friends at care2...I find your discourse here very interesting indeed. We must all understand that there is no problem with understanding that any peoples who live in any country on earth can be about good or evil. They can be about their Creator Allah/God or not. It is also to understand that governments and those who may or may not be associated with them can be also either good or evil. It's called freedom...Allah/God made us like this thing...free choice. All of this life is only tests from Allah/God to see...how is our conduct?

And sometimes, it can indeed take courage to post something on any site. This is not something to be judged...how someone feels regarding posting things. One can be so attacked! I myself was once threatened on a site for a simple post trying to make peace...with their wish for me to be dead. This was serious to me and I demanded the person not be allowed to post there any longer and I believe that was my right. All I was doing was trying to make peace between Jews and Muslims, of which I am a Muslim myself. We must spend our time more wisely I think searching for truth and knowledge..I do not go to that site any longer....

I am going to say two quotes from the Holy Qur'an because people so love to bash Islam but they do not wish to read this book...one is...sura 64:4 "He knows what you conceal and what you reveal. Yes Allah Knows well the secrets of all hearts." ..also, Sura 2:245 says.."Who is he who will loan to Allah a beautiful loan which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is
Allah Who Gives to you Want or Plenty and to Him shall be your return." We have to remember all good deeds are maked by Allah and will be counted on the Day of Judgment. All charity and good deeds will be counted for people. We cannot judge others charity at all. Their focus will only be decided and Judged by Allah/God in the end of things...

We need to be looking to the mirror in our own souls. I do not argue with people. It is a profitless venture. Saying good is Pleasing to Allah. Judgment is only with Allah. No matter a person or a government. It will all be sorted out one day. We stand for right here and there when and if we can. That is our purpose here in care2. The Holy Qur'an and The Holy Bible and The Torah..all have Words from Allah. Insha'Allah...God Willing that is to say...we shall abide by those words...and they all say not to judge...they advise against hate, vain talk, injustice, inhumane actions whether to people or animals or the earth. Prophet Jesus, Peace and Blessing of Allah Be Upon Him and Prophet Muhammad, Peace and Blessings of Allah Be Upon Him, were both shining examples for us all. Let us spend time learning how to be more like all the Messengers of Allah ...they all stood for right and justice and fair treatment for all people and animals and the earth. They were fair people. Let us be kind to one another, accepting each others ideas with love and respect. This should be Judaism, this should be Christianity, this should be Islam, this should be any religion based upon Allah/God! luv and care and May the Blessings of Allah Shine upon you all! And May Allah Bless every country on this planet..peoples who Believe in Him and who wish Peace and Justice and Fairness...Salaam Alaikum.. ani
 

Patricia Herrick (54)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 11:16 am
BeeHive Lady, My thoughts exactly. Why no Israeli aid for Palestine? As I recall from way back then, the Israelis even prevented aid from reaching wounded Palestinians, so I should not be surprised at the lack of aid to Palestinians, even now, as they are trying to aid Haitians, (which is a good thing, I think.)
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 11:22 am
With all due respect, Ani, real courage is something done in the face of significant consequences. Something which requires taking significant risks which may cause real harm. The fact that someone may criticize me or even wish me dead brings no harm to me. Because the person doing it has no control over me. And has no means of doing anything more than directing a few choice words my way.

If we are to consider that listening to a stranger on a forum who has no means of harming us requires courage, then heaven help us when we encounter things in life which really do require courage. Because we will have used up our store of it on the minutae of life.
 

Good H. (3827)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 1:19 pm
There are many types of courage.. some physical, some mental, some emotional, some spiritual... Each person values what they understand, and sometimes does not value or respect what they do not understand...

We each have to decide what courage means to us.. That meaning can and does change over time.. Courage is not just about something to with killing an 'enemy'.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 1:49 pm
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 2:11 pm
Ani ~ Well said!! I'm a retired educator and military veteran. I don't use the word "courage" loosely. David qualifies and you and Road Less Traveled have explained it well. Putting down compliments given to another person gives us a bit of insight into that person's spirit. Coward and bully comes to mind. And folks wonder what is wrong with America. We tend not to look in the mirror for answers. Pitiful.

"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"
"Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?"

Exactly, David.

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 2:15 pm
""Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" Other than suplying white phosphorous, tank and rifle shells, (albeit delivered in a rather haphazard manner) Copious quantities of terror and building a very large concrete wall, at no cost? to their palestinian neigbours...

Israel has indeed been kind to Gaza, hundreds of dead Gazan children will vouch for this?

Maybe Israel trains two groups of troops simultaneously?...The good troops for Haiti (PR) and the bad troops for Palestine? (Murder)
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 4:05 pm
Gee I hope this isn't what got Dave suspended from Care 2 he just posted a story someone else wrote. That is not a reason for suspension. It was even written by a Jewish person to boot. Seems a few have gotten out of hand over it. Of course this has happened to Dave before I recall someone writing a lot of people on another matter and all he did was post a story, that also was written by another person. So do we get suspended for posting stories others write? Well that is just ridiculous. Well I hope all of Care 2 notes this story.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 4:23 pm
Elsie ~ This is one of the reasons I say David has courage. In spite of the right wing attack dogs at Care2 who try to shut down his threads, badger him in threads to provoke and incite him to fight with them, he continues to come back with articles that threaten the status quo who would keep us in wars forever, many of whom are closet racists, encourage everyone to fear for their lives and have an arsenal of weapons in their homes for protection, support politicians who rape the middle class and cater to the upper 1% elites and corporations, steal resources from other nations and wreak havoc on the planet.

I am very grateful to David for his courage, persistence and dedication to the cause of the underdog and humanity. He goes where angels fear to tread. I've learned much from him and love his humor. It's no surprise that some of the wisest minds at Care2 are also friends with David.

Thanks for your thoughtful post, Elsie.
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 4:36 pm
You cannot currently send a star to David because you have done so within the last week.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 4:55 pm
Marion you are quite right. Dave has courage and has been harassed. Those who do tha harassing are well organized They also go after people on all the networking or social sites they even go after organizations like Amnesty international and and Red cross etc. They also go after the press. They even go after bloggers.
That is what they do and that is all they do. Anything to stop people from getting out the truth.
To be suspended for posting a story written by another is just beyond reasonable. I have been harassed doing the same thing. We must protect our freedom of speech. Even the press can get up to 6 or 7 thousand emails if someone doesn't like what they printed. So I guess if you are being harassed you must be telling the truth. Seems that is what they fear the most even from their own.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:02 pm
http://rainbowwarrior2005.wordpress.com/2010/01/25/haiti-the-miracle-and-the-nightmare/
If you check in the updates etc there is a whole lot going on Haiti we may not all know about. Like US soldiers were told to stop giving food to Hatians. WHY? 20,000 US military are being sent to Haiti. WHY? Is this aid or a military take over of the country. Many world leaders are asking the same questions. Aid agency's are being re routed. Aid should be a priority not military personnel Aid agency's have been complaining as well..
 

Elsa ED (231)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 5:12 pm
http://rainbowwarrior2005.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/qatar-sends-aid-to-gaza-flood-victims/
While no one was looking Gaza was flooded.
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 7:07 pm
Salaam again friends...I hardly ever come back to articles but I decided to..I see where many have more ideas on these subjects. So, I have a few more also. I didn't say the whole story about the person threatening me on the internet site. There were other people besides the one I mentioned who were sending out very inappropriate comments about me using my name. This was not acceptable to me. At that point, I wrote the site and told them to remove that filth or I would be suing them. I have that right to defend myself. It didn't necessarily take courage for me to do that and it certainly took no courage for the people who did that to me...but I felt it was my right to not have that done to me.

If we think about Gaza it is the exact same type of thing. They do have the right to defend themselves. It is their land. They do not have nuclear weapons to defend themselves. They now hardly have infastructure left in many places. Many of their places of worship are destroyed. So many have lost loved ones. Now they have had a flood. Life is very difficult there. And if people try to send them aid, they can be investigated as supporting a terrorist organization. Hamas is not a terrorist organization. The Bush Administration said it was so it was and that was it. They can just die off the vine as far as most of the world is concerned, but maybe not...I am glad to see many are getting it. It takes much courage to live there! I know that. I have friends who have a breakdancing group..I am going to put their video back on my page..it shows how they went after the last little war..and their center was destroyed and they danced on a cardboard box! Alhamdulilah! They are some of my greatest heroes. They care so much for the youth there as for generations to come they will have nothing but nightmares and no good memories. These guys try to give them hope...

I am not afraid of anyone or anything...however, I do have a civil right, as far as I know, to not have filth directed at me. I would do the exact thing here on care2 if it happened to me here if they ignored me and refused to remove it.. and so should anyone of you. Sending out comments that are filth in your name would be so wrong!

I don't know what happened about the letter that was put out that was first put out by another person...it doesn't seem right to suspend someone for that but I have to say that 4 years ago when I was on myspace if I had put out things like this article I would have most likely been deleted. So, I appreciate the freedom we have here. Everyone who owns sites on the internet have their criteria for what they will accept and what they will not. Kindness is very important. Being careful what we say is very important. It is not our site. If we wish to start our own site then we can say what we wish but otherwise, I would say... don't be heedless. We can spread truth and knowledge in a good way and a kind way. Hence my remarks about arguing..it usually descends to depths that are not desirable...Salaam, ani
 

Jaclin S. (230)
Tuesday January 26, 2010, 8:47 pm
Dave Dear Friende thanx for the post - keep up the good work - Brightest Blessing. Love & Light J -
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 1:25 am
GOD BLESS US ALL!
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 5:54 am
I'm practicing self-censorship here, and for that I despise myself!
So, I can only say this:
I have been suspended from Care2 twice; the first time it was "The usual two days suspension"
(have You ever heard of such an infantile motivation???)
I've forgotten the reason why I was suspended.
I was suspended again not so long ago, for being honest with saying something like:
"...Gathering 20 Butterfly Credits..." in comments.
That caused me THREE WEEKS SUSPENSION!
So, my point is that it would be nice not to be treated like as if I was a freaking retard!
Thank You very much!
(This will probably cause me another suspension, if so, I would appreciate some backup on the matter)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 6:27 am
You have a very interesting set of mind, Dave: Israel sent to Haiti best hospital and huge research team, while 25 rich Arab states sent nothing. And don't forget, that huge team was sent by Netaniyahu, whom you demonize for whatever reasons.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 7:07 am
"You have a very interesting set of mind, Dave: Israel sent to Haiti best hospital and huge research team, while 25 rich Arab states sent nothing."

As I mentioned above, Israel may be in Haiti to harvest organs. They've done it before. The Israelis are opportunists and expect something from everything they do. You can take that to the bank!
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 7:19 am
"Israel may be in Haiti to harvest organs. They've done it before....."

Well, I guess the Cubans could be in Haiti to arrest all those who openly oppose communistic thought. After all, the Cubans have arrested such people before.

But I somehow doubt that the Cuban aid workers are there to do anything other than aid the Haitian populace. And I somehow doubt that Israelis are harvesting Haitian organs (and, of course, if they were being harvested, they wouldn't be of much use to anyone in Israel since there are limits on how long an organ can remain viable if it is to be successfully transplanted and how well it will remain viable unless it is handled properly from the outset.) Livers, for example, have about a 12 hour viability window - and, according to an internet site, a direct flight from Port-au-Prince to Tel Aviv takes almost 16 hours - and that doesn't count the time it takes to remove an organ, get it to a flight, and get it off the flight and into the recipient at the end of the journey.

It's always laughable how some consider the organ transplant process to be so informally and easily accomplished. It isn't.

 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 8:02 am
"if they were being harvested, they wouldn't be of much use to anyone in Israel since there are limits on how long an organ can remain viable if it is to be successfully transplanted and how well it will remain viable unless it is handled properly from the outset.)"

Who says the organs are going to Israel? A recent scandal in New York with Jewish businessmen who were busted for harvesting organs and selling them on the black market. These organs were also sent to Israel and around the world.

Learn to research and read beyond your limited sources. And stop trusting that organs cannot survive longer than your right wing sources tell you. The Israelis are quite creative and I suspect have devised a method to protect the organs until destination is reached. Who's to save the organ will be healthy when it is provided to the patient? I provided links above where the Israelis already admitted to organ harvesting. This is why I don't like to discuss anything with you. Your first words are "NO" before you put your brain and gear and do your homework.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 8:04 am
"Who's to save the organ..."

Correction: Who's to say the organ...
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 8:15 am
Actually, Marion, as I stated on the thread here on the forum dealing with the organ transplant issue, I already know and acknowledge that back in the 1990's there were illegal organs harvested from Israelis and Palestinians in an Israeli facility. That fact has been acknowledged by Israel.

Just as there have been organ transplant scandals in nations around the globe (just as I also detailed in that thread). And despite, say, the more recent British scandals (major ones involving thousands of organs taken illegally), I wonder why no one is accusing British doctors of trying to steal Haitian organs? Or Australian doctors? Or others?

And, yes, Marion - I'm sure you do "suspect" many things. But your personal supicions aren't facts.

Show us where organs are being illegally taken from Haitian patients. And that those patients are being treated by Israeli doctors. I'll be happy to consider that evidence when it's presented. But your "suspicions" are worthless.
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 8:22 am
What you are doing, Marion, is part of a time-honored tradition: throwing out mud randomly to see if some of it may stick - in people's minds, of course. Because even if no proof is ever offered, there will be many who read these lovely little speculative "what-if's" about the dreaded Israeli organ-stealers throughout the internet and will forget the lack of evidence - but will remember the charge - and will erroneously remember the charge as constituting a fact.

Now, I'll let you go and wash your hands - they must be awfully muddy by now.
 

Elderberry T. (201)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 8:37 am
Thanx Dave, I've just heard about your suspension! Care2 WHO rules you??
 

Elderberry T. (201)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 9:19 am
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17144

Cuba, China, Venezuela Send Immediate Assistance to Haiti
by Deirdre Griswold

Seems they were first in not Israel.
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 9:24 am
And "who rules" CARE2, Elderberry?

Randy Paynter does, I believe. After all, he owns it from what I understand. And them as pays the piper calls the tune. An online forum isn't a democracy, after all!
 

Patricia Herrick (54)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 9:56 am
Interesting speech by Netanyahu at Auschwitz yesterday. He mentioned 'evil' a few times. Does he not understand evil? Granted the deeds by Hitler's Germany were monstrous. Has he considered that all started out by Hitler's plan to remove the Jews from the face of the earth. Does he not see any parallel? He ended the speech by wishing that other countries would pursue and eliminate evil as it occurs. (not his exact words but close.) Thanks Dave for bringing the subject of Israel up.
 

Patricia Herrick (54)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 10:01 am
Oh yeah, I also saw a report (on MSM) about a truckload of rice etc that was being distributed to a crowd, when some UN soldiers showed up and decided there were too many people , so they ordered the rice and whatever, to be reloaded. As the huge truck drove away, the few boxes that missed getting reloaded were being 'fought' over, with the biggest and fastest getting away with the food. Also saw a report of UN soldiers firing tear gas into a crowd (???)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 10:02 am
Elderberry, may be Israel was not the first to send help, but the help Israel send was big, several hundred people: search team and the full-blown hospital, the only one in action.

Just wondering, why all the filthy oil and money - rich Arab states didn't send anything? On the other hand, they don't give to Palestinians either, whey should they give to Haiti?
 

. (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 10:05 am
Actually, Richard - I believe that some of the Arab states have sent aid (or are pledging aid) - I don't know the details, but I think I read some of their names on a list of donors to Haiti.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 11:55 am
You cannot currently send a star to Patricia because you have done so within the last week.

Points well taken. MSM said the rice situation was an "isolated incidence." I don't think so...
 

Elsa ED (231)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 12:14 pm
Well yes Richard they were there and did help like all the other people who sent aid and are now leaving after 2 short weeks.
IDF Folds Up in Haiti after 294 Life-Saving Operations
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135718
 

Elsa ED (231)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 12:24 pm
Marion that bust in the US was pretty big and the guy had been doing it for about 20 years or so.
The others in Israel itself were long term as well and Israel did in the end admit they were harvesting organs, not only from Palestinians, but also from their own soldiers.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 12:37 pm
Ben Oscarsito Whenis comes to suspensions etc a few years back as the Iraq war started there were a bunch here at Care 2 who went about harassing people who spoke out against the war. I remember it all to well. As it turned out many of those people had multiple profiles set up. They were getting people suspended left right and center. Care 2 finally caught on to what was really going on. It took some time but they were destroying Care 2 and some of groups as well, When Care 2 finally figured it all out those members who most of were fake members any way wee banned and they kept a watchful eye out for new fake profiles. Some of the dearest, most caring, wonderful people had been suspended because of the fake people. I remember that all to well. After they eliminated the real problem people, membership went up all the way around. Maybe we have a few of those nasty people still hanging about. Wouldn't surprise me in the lest. But what a mess it was to get cleaned up.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 1:14 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Elsa because you have done so within the last week.

Thanks Elsa. That bust was MAJOR and included orthodox rabbis and a ring of politicians - pillars of the community. Unnamed banks were also involved in the scandal. Jews Harvest Organs from Hated Gentiles.

That bunch of right wingers have morphed their profiles and some still exist. I don't care about their views. I do care when they distract and disturb members in threads to disrupt discussions, and to confuse and anger others. I just avoid them. Yes, Care2 has gotten good at identifying them, but they still need our help to do so. It's gotten much better around here.

Thanks so much, Elsa!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:42 pm
Elsa, chances of finding anyone alive in underground rubbles after those two weeks are next to zero. Those two weeks were the critical ones, and Israeli rescue teams were there first. I don't see a reason not to thank them, but look for a reason to somehow curse them.

Lindsey, would be curious to look at the help coming from the Arab states, other than promises which they routinely break. How much was delivered from they promised?

Marion, why do you think you are allowed to post hateful messages, like the one above which is clearly anti-Semitic? If Care2 watches the threads and has any decency, you must be suspended immediately, and not some right wingers, as you claim.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:56 pm
Richard ~ Fact is not hateful. Why run from the truth? It will set you free.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:56 pm
Lindsey O., Tuesday January 26, 2010, 3:31 am

And Jelica - if someone wrote the words, "All women are inferior to men and should never be allowed any form of civil rights in this society" - when it comes to criticizing those words, can we only criticize them if we know who wrote them? Of course not.

The words themselves, regardless of who wrote them, are offensive. As is the substitution of the word "Jew" for "Israeli" when the substitution is inaccurate. Regardless of who made the substitution. It's offensive if an Israeli says it - and its offensive if a Chilean says it.

The words are offensive in any case, even if authored anonymously.
______________________________________________

If somebody wrote words from your example, I'd say "nonsense" and never involve in a discussion about it. No matter who said this, this person is an ignorant moron and does not deserve respond.

What I meant was that words have weight proportional to their author's competence. If I start blabbering about Elizabethan poetry, nobody should listen, because I know nothing about it. In this sense, it matters who says something. I always compare words with their source and then decide about relevance.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 3:08 pm

Richard M. evolved from saying (Wednesday January 27, 2010, 10:02 am) "Just wondering, why all the filthy oil and money - rich Arab states didn't send anything? On the other hand, they don't give to Palestinians either, whey should they give to Haiti?" to (Wednesday January 27, 2010, 2:42 pm ) "Lindsey, would be curious to look at the help coming from the Arab states, other than promises which they routinely break. How much was delivered from they promised?"

Next, he'll be asking (Wednesday January 27, 2010, 6:14 pm?) for a list of persons and quantity of this help each person got.

Huh...
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 3:45 pm
Richard ~ This was posted in another thread by Pastor Tim. I thought it relevant here as well:

"“Self-criticism is imperative in order to counterbalance the tendencies to self-righteousness and self-pity that stem from basic Jewish attitudes, from the historical experience of persecution, and from the ethos fostered by Menachem Begin. No factor endangers Israel’s future more than self-righteousness, which blinds us to reality, prevents a complex understanding of the situation and legitimizes extreme behaviour.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sometime in 2003, Zionism was explained to me thusly:
Zionism is the belief that the Jewish Race/Religion is supreme to all
others on Earth, and that the interests of the Nation-State of Israel
outweigh those of every other Nation-State on Earth.

Not all Jews are Zionists, and
not all Zionists are Jews.
But, Zionism is evil, and it is what will
eventually lead us into World War 3.

"Capitol Hill is Israeli-occupied territory."
-Patrick J. Buchanan
2000
 

Elsa ED (231)
Wednesday January 27, 2010, 4:23 pm
Richard M. I did not curse anyone. Maybe you should tale a long hard look at what you have been saying before criticizing others.
I will not even fathom where or how you come to your conclusions or how you judge others. I even have to wonder why you are here it certainly is not to help those in Haiti more like you are here to disrupt those who want to or to just pass on valuable knowledge. We will just chalk it up to your being a newer member and do not realize how many here fight for Human Rights of all people not just some.
 

Brigitte T. (69)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 1:55 am

Yes it does courage to post such information on any forum, but what do trolls and troll-like members know about courage? Nothing, for all they know is cowardice. No wonder some here can't recognize courage.

Many thanks to Dave C and all who support him!!! :) Even if one doesn't agree with the translation, the article is still interesting.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 2:26 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqZ-GtNaM8&feature=player_embedded

Israeli humour...? This meant to be funny?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 2:33 am
The Israelis in Haiti were over there “helping out”. In reality, it was a photo-op. When the cameras left, coincidently, so did they.

The video may be joking about it, but this article is not:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3840302,00.html
 

Patricia Herrick (54)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 12:15 pm
I just saw this a.m. that two teenagers were dug out alive yesterday (Wednesday.) Oh yeah I did see where Dubai sent a plane load (tons) of supplies right off and since then Qatar has also sent a huge supply. I'm sure that other "filthy oil rich" countries have done so without the cameras.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 1:59 pm
You know Patricia even those in Gaza sent money and collected blankets etc to send to Haiti and the Red Cross had to refuse the blankets etc because they could not get them out of Gaza, because of the blockade but they welcome the donations.
On CNN they had a story about those in Arab countries not sending help. Of course even they had to admit there were a number who did but when I posted the story about those in Gaza the moderator refused to publish my comment. I have to wonder how many other comments on that story did not get published.
 

Elsa ED (231)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 2:04 pm
You know Patricia even those in Gaza sent money and collected blankets etc to send to Haiti and the Red Cross had to refuse the blankets etc because they could not get them out of Gaza, because of the blockade but they welcome the donations. This also in the face of the fact Gaza had just been flooded.
On CNN they had a story about those in Arab countries not sending help. Of course even they had to admit there were a number who did but when I posted the story about those in Gaza the moderator refused to publish my comment. I have to wonder how many other comments on that story did not get published.

And Yesser you are quite right after two short weeks they are pulling out.
IDF Folds Up in Haiti after 294 Life-Saving Operations

Israel’s assistance was highlighted on more than a dozen major networks, including Fox News, Associated Press, Sky News, CBS, ABC and NBC.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135718
 

Patricia Herrick (54)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 2:15 pm
Yep, I know that Elsa, I watch Mosaic, Democracy Now and Al Jazeera English among other great reports (on-the-ground reports,) that is.aw one report where the cildren of gaza were trying to help.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 4:06 pm
Yasser ~ Good points. In that article, the Israeli talks about "recognition for good deeds" and impressing Gentiles with "our accomplishments."

Uh, this is arrogant thinking. Everyone does good deeds and most of us have made some accomplishments, with some being greater than most. But to do it for recognition is arrogance, pure and simple. What happened to doing something for the sheer joy of happiness it gives the giver? Giving for the sake of getting something back (besides gratitude) in return is wrong.

Am I missing something here?

Elsa ~ I guess the Israelis high tailed it out of there when the opportunity was lost. Sad.

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 28, 2010, 4:14 pm
Exactly Elsa! :)

Gaza donates to Haiti

Amazing. I wonder why this does this not make massive headline news then!??
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 2:24 am
Ani I.: “Hamas is not a terrorist organization.”

Well explain then if you will why they are listed as such by the US, Canada, Israel, Australia, Japan, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Norway, Jordan, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, and Sweden.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 2:40 am

David Buchan: In answer to your schoolboy style rant, "Why no Israeli aid for Palestine?" Perhaps Israel knows from history what would happen to that aid and how it will be converted to cash for weapons.

Hamas Steals Aid From Palestinians; Outrage to Follow?
January 13, 2009 04:32 PM ET | Sam Dealey | Permanent Link | Print

Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.

So Hamas loots 1 out of 9 aid trucks, not only stealing food and supplies from the mouths of its own people to fund more rockets but also jeopardizing Israel's inclination to allow future relief deliveries.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 29, 2010, 2:51 am
A nice unbiased blogger this Sam Dealey. . . "Hamas, the terrorist "government" in Gaza. . ." mmm
 

. (0)
Friday January 29, 2010, 2:58 am
Asking why there is no Israeli aid to Palestine would be rather like asking why there was no North Vietnamese aid to South Vietnam during the Vietnamse War or French aid to Germany during WWII. In any war, it would be an unusual thing for the government of one side to assist the opposition by helping to supply their financial needs - thereby helping to finance the war against the donor government' own people.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 29, 2010, 3:19 am
Palestine is not the "opposition" Lindsey. It is the "OPRESSED VICTIM OF US FUNDED ISRAELI ENSLAVEMENT".
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 4:16 am
Catweazle – It does seem like Sam is biased in his article "Hamas, the terrorist "government" in Gaza.

But then when you analyse it they are on terrorist lists in countries around the world and they do hold government.

There is no argument they were legitimately and democratically elected by their own people but that does not change what they are, what their intentions are and their stated opposition to peace.

Example:
According to a November 2009 survey conducted by Haaretz, 57% of Israelis support the view of MK Shaul Mofaz of Kadima, that Israel should establish a dialogue with Hamas under certain conditions, for example, that Hamas renounces violence, recognizes Israel's right to exist as a Jewish nation, and loses its designation as a terrorist organization. Hamas responded to this by labeling it "Zionist vulgarity" and stating that they will never negotiate with or recognize their "enemy", the state of Israel.

How do you negotiate with that sort of mindset and hate.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 4:27 am

Getting back to the subject of Haiti.

I cannot imagine the dark side to the following report but I suppose some on here will come up with a conspiracy theory to show Israel in a bad light, but if you do that then you have to do the same to the other countries mentioned in this article.

IDF, Israel CEOs Start Haitian Orphanage, Israelis Want to Adopt
by Malkah Fleisher

Israeli citizens are hoping to give opportunities for new life to children who have been orphaned by Haiti's January 12 earthquake.

Emergency humanitarian aid group Israel Flying Aid and Orange Israel Telecommunications announced January 25 that they will establish an orphanage to accommodate over 200 children in Haiti. IFA and Orange Israel will try to raise 1-2 million dollars from Israeli businesses for the project.

Yet more Israelis hope to heal the pain in the hearts of Haiti's new orphans through adoption.
At least 30 couples have contacted the Welfare and Social Service Ministry's Adoption Department over the past 10 days hoping to take in children left orphaned by the earthquake.

Israel is not the only country which has come forward to adopt Haitian children. The United States, Spain, and the Netherlands have also submitted adoption requests.
 

. (0)
Friday January 29, 2010, 5:39 am
Merv, there has already been criticism by some on the forum of people's desire to adopt Haitian orphans - specifically a news item concerning, I believe, Canada speeding up the process to help the children get there more quickly to be adopted by Canadians. Detractors appear to believe that it would be better for Haitian children to have no parents and to live out their lives in desperately poor orphanages rather than be adopted into good loving Canadian families (or U.S. families or Dutch families......) Because, of course, there have never been enough families in Haiti willing or able to adopt all the orphans and abandoned children - if there were those orphanages wouldn't exist to begin with.

I don't believe that making a political statement (which is what the objections constitute) should be more important than children who just need a happy home where they will be loved and cared for.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Friday January 29, 2010, 11:06 am
David B ~ Green Star for you! Your message was not lost on me.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 2:39 pm
Marion Y.

It could be that you are having a sordid affair behind your partners back.

What’s that you say where is my evidence. Well I don’t have any but if I use your own formula of feeding on outlandish rumour or maybe just invent something that suits my cause it may well be blindly accepted as truth. ( by the gullible)

A bit the same as you saying “I wouldn't be surprised if the Israelis are harvesting organs from the Haitians”. Once again a statement based solely on conjecture, absolutely no evidence and stupidly submitted to a public forum in the hope it will be believed.

Your arguments Marion as always are based on the same invented, demented and bizarre beliefs you so readily adopt and herald to all on this forum but you continually fail to verify any of it as being factual, quite simply because you can’t.

It beggars belief that a purely humanitarian exercise by the Israeli’s could be subjected to the lies, innuendo and accusations of impropriety by you and those of your ilk.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 3:03 pm

Lindsey O.

Completely agree with your sentiments.

When we are talking about the welfare and future prospects of such young children who have so tragically lost their parents why would any sane and reasonable person look to criticize or object to a process that will provide a secure and loving family environment for them.

As you say they want to politicize the issue in the hope of scoring some cheap points.

Selfish twerps.
 

Sharon S. (30)
Friday January 29, 2010, 3:24 pm
Noted and thanks, although I thought it a strange article and wonder how anyone can understand what it is really about?
 

Jeanne M. (84)
Friday January 29, 2010, 4:31 pm
At the moment, I am fairly sure the Haitians don't care much about motives, only results. A drowning man doesn't give a damn who throws him a rope.
 

. (0)
Friday January 29, 2010, 4:36 pm
Very true, Jeanne. Back in the days when I worked for my local humane society doing fundraising, I know I certainly didn't care about the motives of our donors - I was just so damned grateful to get the money to keep the shelter going. And I guarantee that I was far happier to receive a large donation from a person who only wanted a tax write-off than I was to get a small donation from a true animal lover. While I appreciated the care and sentiments expressed by the animal lover (and certainly appreciated them more as a human being), the money was more important. Because the money saved lives.

Beautiful words don't feed hungry mouths. Altruistic motives don't finance lifesaving surgeries.
 

pete O. (242)
Saturday January 30, 2010, 12:07 pm
Wa Alaikum Assalamu Ani .
 

Simon Wood (207)
Sunday January 31, 2010, 3:41 am
Lindsey O. wrote: "Beautiful words don't feed hungry mouths. Altruistic motives don't finance lifesaving surgeries."

Actually, when words are lies, people who believe them do harmful actions, and when words are truthful, people who believe them do actions that reduce suffering and increase happiness in the world.

When people are motivated by altruism, their actions increase the psychological health of the world, and their actions reduce suffering and increase happiness in the world.
 

Simon Wood (207)
Sunday January 31, 2010, 3:43 am
The people of Palestine care alot that Israel is trying to get a good reputation in the media, while contionuing to oppress the Indigenous people of Palestine.
 

. (0)
Sunday January 31, 2010, 5:02 am
Glad you agree with me, Simon. That 'actions' are what 'reduce suffering and increase happiness in the world'. And that 'actions' are what 'increase the psychological health of the world."

And, BTW - altruism doesn't exist. I have never yet met an individual throughout my 51 years of life who didn't base his actions in part on his own self-interest. When you, Simon, donate money or time to a cause you believe in, it makes you feel good - I'm quite, quite certain of that. Maybe it alleviates your feeling of guilt or sadness over the situation. Or maybe it makes you feel as though you are living up to your principles. Perhaps it gives you credibility within your community. It likely allows you to help think of yourself as a decent person. Maybe it wins you, on occasion, the gratitude and admiration of others, which you may enjoy. Maybe you feel it is required by your particular divinity and you'll win brownie points which help get you into heaven. Perhaps you were raised to believe that doing the action is part of being a "good" person and going against that early conditioning would be more difficult than it's worth to you.

Even an anonymous good dead brings with it many of those 'feel-good' rewards.

I've spent an enormous amount of time volunteering with my local animal shelter. It's a worthy cause which needs to be supported. It saves lives and helps alleviate the suffering of very helpless creatures who need and deserve our help. But it also makes me feel good to volunteer. It helps reduce the helplessness I feel when I think of the many problems these creatures face in life. It makes me feel good when I find a home for a homeless pet. If I didn't volunteer, I'd feel guilty and guilt is a very unpleasant emotion to experience and one I prefer to avoid. I enjoy the interaction with many of the animals. I enjoy working with the other like-minded volunteers. It gives me credibility among many of the people I know who are animal welfare advocates/activists, most of whom would disapprove of me if I didn't volunteer.

We get something out of every good action we take. So it's hardly altruistic - we do it for ourselves as well.

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 1:20 am
Israel Not Always a Force for Good in Haiti

This ran originally in Ha’aretz/Hebrew, penned by Nirit Ben-Ari. This translation ran Feb. 1 in WW4 Report: "Haiti and the Jews: Forgotten History." The money:

But it seems the Israeli involvement in the nation was not always so positive. On Dec. 27, 1982, the US newspaper Christian Science Monitor reported that since 1968 Israel had sold weapons to two Haitian dictators-Francois Duvalier, who became president in 1957; and his son Jean-Claude Duvalier, who succeeded him in 1971. The two, known as "Papa Doc" and "Baby Doc," controlled and terrorized the country with a private army. On March 27, 1983, the New York Times reported that Israel was among the few countries that had agreed to sell weapons to Baby Doc, and provided him with the long-term payment arrangement that he requested.

Paul Farmer, who would serve as President Bill Clinton’s deputy UN representative to Haiti, previously reported that Gen. Prosper Avril, the head of the military junta that took power in Haiti in 1988, received temporary asylum in Israel in 1990. Avril was the head of Baby Doc’s notorious "Presidential Guard," and a US court ruled that he was responsible for "scandalous human rights violations." He would later serve prison time in Haiti for his crimes.

In 1990, four years after Baby Doc was ousted from power, the popular priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president of Haiti-in the first democratic elections the nation had seen. But in 1991 he was deposed in a military coup. Britain’s The Independent newspaper reported Oct. 14, 1991 that about 2,000 Uzi and Galil machine-guns from Israel were sent to Haiti in the weeks prior to the coup-with diplomats claiming the weapons went to military units especially loyal to the coup-plotters.

According to an Aug. 1, 2005 report in Jane’s Intelligence Review, weapons of Israeli origin were being smuggled through Florida and ending up with armed gangs in Port-au-Prince in this period-some in collaboration with the junta, and some opposed.

The Israeli Defense Ministry did not issue any reaction by publication time.

Now, as Israeli doctors and nurses work around the clock at the hospital that was established in Haiti, one can only hope that Israel’s contribution to the suffering nation will now focus on saving lives, and not on weapons shipments.

http://ww4report.com/node/8272
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 1:52 am

Catweazle –

That’s a very interesting find, I had no knowledge of it. But I guess there are a lot of skeletons in a lot of closets. Duvalier himself was a very unusual fellow.

It should not of course detract from the excellent results the IDF mission in Haiti is achieving.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 8:50 am
"It should not of course detract from the excellent results the IDF mission in Haiti is achieving. "

Yeah, it was all over our mainstream media about the "excellent" results of the IDF rescue mission...that ended after only two weeks there.
 

. (0)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 9:00 am
I would imagine that the many who received often lifesaving medical care from that Israeli mission would indeed consider it to be excellent.

I wonder who dreamed up the idea the Israel, or any other nation, is or should be required to provide an amount of aid to Haiti approved of by any one specific individual?

Israel owed Haiti nothing. And provided aid which saved lives anyway.

Just as Palestine owed Haiti nothing. And provided aid which will be of help in saving Haitian lives as well.

Were I Haitian, I would be grateful to Israel. And Palestine. And any other nation or individual who chose to help strangers in another part of the world.

How very odd to criticize aid to those who need it so desperately.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 4:11 pm

Marion.

How can you find such negativity and hatred in yourself to actually criticize the life saving and humanitarian effort by the IDF.

You obviously cling to the simplistic belief IDF = BAD, must hate, can’t believe anything good about IDF. In other words my blinkers are on good and tight.

Obviously the very fact the IDF performed so well gets right up your nose because it causes inner conflict with your value system.

The fact is it was a mercy mission carried out by the IDF selflessly, efficiently and professionally and it saved very many lives, their prime objective.

That you can make such a comment of condemnation speaks volumes on your views on reality.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 5:30 pm
"How can you find such negativity and hatred in yourself to actually criticize the life saving and humanitarian effort by the IDF. "

Merv...You have a right to your opinion about issues, but you have no right to make personal attacks and vicious statements about me. This is in violation of Care2 rules.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Tuesday February 2, 2010, 7:14 pm

Merv...You have a right to your opinion about issues, but you have no right to make personal attacks and vicious statements about me. This is in violation of Care2 rules.

Oh I see Marion, it’s quite all right for you to make personal character attacks and spread outright vicious lies about the members of the IDF contingent by insinuating they stole human organs during their guise as a humanitarian team and then ran away as cowards.

Your comments (lies):

“results of the IDF rescue mission...that ended after only two weeks there”

“I guess the Israelis high tailed it out of there when the opportunity was lost. Sad.”

And more outright lies:

“As I mentioned above, Israel may be in Haiti to harvest organs.”

“Who says the organs are going to Israel?”

And remember your own comment on Facts:

“Richard ~ Fact is not hateful. Why run from the truth? It will set you free.”

Marion set yourself free.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday February 4, 2010, 12:36 pm
"Your comments (lies):
“results of the IDF rescue mission...that ended after only two weeks there”
“I guess the Israelis high tailed it out of there when the opportunity was lost. Sad.”
And more outright lies:
“As I mentioned above, Israel may be in Haiti to harvest organs.”
“Who says the organs are going to Israel?”

Merv ~ YOUR comments are filled with LIES and misinformation.

Did the IDF not leave Haiti after being there for only two weeks?

Israel has already admitted to harvesting organs in the past. My statement said "Israel MAY be in Haiti to harvest organs.” The imperative word here is "MAY".

Why do you take the evil actions of Israel so personally as if YOU are being accused of these actions? I'm an American and love my country. I've even served in the military to protect it. However, I have no rose-colored illusions about the evil things that the USA has done to Native Americans, slavery of African Americans, trumped up imperial wars and other atrocities. This country has done many wonderful things, but I know it can be better. The only way for America to improve is to identify what it has done wrong and correct it.

I have a right to question the motives of Israel, the USA and my grandmother. It's the only way we learn.

Set yourself free and stop trying defend the actions of Israel. You'll have a heart attack trying to do so.
 

Merv Gillespie (30)
Thursday February 4, 2010, 4:43 pm

Marion: Any lies that appeared in my last posting were those authored by yourself, all I did was repeat them.

“Did the IDF not leave Haiti after being there for only two weeks?”

So what, where is the evil in that. You condemn the IDF for not staying longer and then you condemn the US military for staying too long. Just no pleasing some people.

“My statement said "Israel MAY be in Haiti to harvest organs.” The imperative word here is "MAY".

“Imperative” - Very important, essential, crucial, of the essence, necessary, vital.

No Marion there is absolutely nothing “Imperative” in what you wrote. It is all lies, you can’t use MAY as a licence to invent evil deeds that did not take place and then publish them to represent behaviour attributable to a group whose only sin (in your eyes) is they are Israeli’s.

It doesn’t take long before people reading your postings identify what you’re writing is manufactured in your own devious mind and has nothing to do with factual evidence. A bit like me saying, ….I heard from a trusted source that members of hamas MAY have taken children from gazan families, roasted them and ate them.

Do you get the point yet Marion? I just made up those lies and put it in print, exactly as you do.

As far as my taking the “evil actions” of Israel so personally.

The subject here is the Haiti relief effort. There have been no “evil actions” committed by the Israeli’s but that doesn’t
stop you and others spewing out your hate filled garbage of events that never took place. That is why I get irked.

I salute you for your military service to your country, congratulations.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday February 4, 2010, 5:00 pm
Merv ~ Your arrogance and love of Israeli crimes is obvious. You're a LIAR and MISINFORMER. The entire world is aware of the atrocities Isra-Hell has perpetrated on Palestine. The entire world is aware of their meddling in middle eastern affairs, USA affairs and the entire world. We KNOW. Zionist Israelis believe they are the chosen ones and all other people are inferior. Well, they've shown themselves to be the inferior ones by breaking the laws of God, taking land that isn't theirs and massacring innocent victims. I feel towards the Zionist Israelis just as I do about George Bush - no respect!!! They all need to be prosecuted for war crimes!!!

You and your ilk run around trying to save face for Israel. Forget it. You can't. Just as I can't save face for the crimes of the USA. But to live a lie and think you can continue to fool the world...well, that makes you a fool.

Israel does nothing for anyone outside of their own people unless there's something in it for them. So this is why people are suspicious of their actions in Haiti. And to leave in just two weeks? Maybe they left for a reason that had nothing to do with them. Maybe they were told to leave. We don't know. But people have a right to question Israel's motivations when what we see shows that they cannot be trusted and are like snakes.

One thing's for certain about you: Your love of Zionist ISRA-HELL is clear.
 

. (0)
Thursday February 4, 2010, 5:05 pm
I agree, Merv. Military service to one's country must be acknowledged in anyone.
 

Patricia Herrick (54)
Friday February 5, 2010, 2:30 pm
A bit off subject, sorry~~~BUT, this is how it is today

Published on The Smirking Chimp (http://www.smirkingchimp.com)
Haiti - Still Starving 23 Days Later
By Bill Quigley
Created Feb 5 2010 - 9:56am

You can walk down many of the streets of Port au Prince and see absolutely no evidence that the world community has helped Haiti.

Twenty-three days after the earthquake jolted Haiti and killed over 200,000 people, as many as a million people have still not received any international food assistance.

On February 4, the UN World Food Program reported they had given at least some food, mostly 55 pound bags of rice, to over a million people. The UN acknowledges that it still needs to reach another one million people. The 55 pounds of rice are expected to provide a two week food ration for a family. Beans and cooking oil are scheduled to come later.

The Associated Press reported that people in Haiti at small protests were holding up banners reading “Help us, we’re starving.” Over a million people are displaced. About 10,000 families are in tents, the rest are living under sheets, blankets and tarps.

One of the people living under a sheet is a brand new mother with her one-day-old baby. The New York Times reports that Rosalie Antoine, 33, and her one day old baby were living in a neighbor’s yard with puppies and chickens under a sheet in the Bel-Air neighborhood of Port au Prince.

Haiti and the United Nations estimate 250,000 children under the age of 7 are living in temporary housing. Most need vaccinations.

Flavia Cherry, of the Caribbean Association for Feminist Research and Action, this week witnessed a pregnant double amputee give birth on the ground in one of the tent camps without any medical assistance at all. “This poor mother had nothing, no milk, no clothing for the baby, nothing!”

Even people who can afford to purchase food are having a difficult time. A 55-pound bag of rice costs 40 percent more today than it did before the earthquake. Dr. Louise Ivers, a Partners in Health physician in Port au Prince, reports a 25 kg (55 pounds) bag of rice that sold for $30 US dollars (1,207 Haitian Gourdes) before the quake, now costs $42 US dollars (1,690 Haitian Gourdes).

The World Food Program reports prices are still rising and people outside the earthquake zone are having difficulty meeting their basic food needs.

Twenty-three days after the quake.
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Merv Gillespie (30)
Friday February 5, 2010, 3:50 pm

Marion: You can always be relied upon for a childish hysterical response to any argument.

“You're a LIAR and MISINFORMER.” Tell me exactly where I am lying?

“The entire world is aware of”……. Really? Prove it.

How very clever, “Isra-Hell” (Like something a ten year old would think up.

Then off you go again Israel bad, Zionists bad, USA bad, Marion your whole mind seems filled with bad to the exclusion of all else.

Now, about me and my ilk. Well actually I’m not so sure about my ilk but personally let me shine some light in into the darker recesses of that mind of yours.

I don’t share your annoying dogmatic auto-response to issues based on who is involved. I actually analyse and evaluate the information and then draw my own conclusions. You should try it sometime.

Examples:

I remain perplexed about the real reasons behind the US invasion of Iraq.
I have total sympathy for the citizens of Gaza.
I am against Israeli housing development in the West Bank and East Jerusalem
My opinion of people is not dictated to me by their race, religion, colour, political allegiance or social grouping, it is always based on their intent and subsequent actions.
I have no appetite for bullshit or conspiracy theories.
I will not believe anything anyone says without absolute proof.

I could but wont go on, I think you get the picture. I don’t categorise everything certain groups do as good or bad depending on any pre-conceived opinions I may hold about that group.

Part of your bizarre rant included:

One thing's for certain about you: “Your love of Zionist ISRA-HELL is clear.” So? I’d sooner be lover than a hater, I’ll leave the hating to you, you do it so well.

“they cannot be trusted and are like snakes” What’s wrong with snakes? Don’t tell me, you hate them right?

Finally Marion don’t categorise me in your narrow minded way, I am and always will be a free thinker. Another thing you may try if you feel so inclined.
 

Monique B. (220)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 3:38 am
Israel buries people alive in Gaza, then assists those buried alive in Haiti. Israel prevents Gazans medical supplies and the freedom to seek medical attention abroad, but goes to Haiti with its media entourage to do what it forbids for Gaza.

This was, as Israeli politicians and commentators observed, a useful PR stunt for Israel.
 
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