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Super Delegates: The Good, The Bad, and The Confusing.

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2/7/08 -- Posted by Catherine Morgan

There has been a lot of confusion over delegates and super-delegates. And, because of the close race between Obama and Clinton, understanding the role of delegates and super-delegates is going to be more important than in past elections. However, understanding may be the easy part...Getting over the seemingly less than democratic process, may prove to be more difficult.

So, lets take a look at the super-delegates...
The Super-delegates are party leaders and lawmakers, including all Democratic members of Congress and former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, as well as ex-vice president Al Gore.

If no candidate has a lock on the 2,025 delegates needed to secure the nomination before the party's convention in August, the 796 "super-delegates" would be decisive.

Unlike "pledged" delegates chosen through primaries and caucuses, super-delegates are free to vote for whomever they chose. Many have already promised to back one candidate or another, "and most of the others will at some point before the convention," said Michael Tanner, a political analyst with the Cato Institute.

Who are the super delegates? The following information is from the 2008 Democratic Convention Watch.
List of super delegates that have already endorsed a candidate.

List of super delegates that have NOT yet endorsed a candidate.

Why did the party adopt the 'super delegate' system?
Super-delegates were supposed to supply some Establishment stability to the nominating process.

Before 1972, party elders, such as Chicago Mayor Richard Daley and Charlie Buckley, the boss of The Bronx who helped John Kennedy clinch the 1960 nomination, wielded inordinate power.

But in early 1970's, the party's rules were reformed to open the process to grass-roots activists, women, and ethnic minorities.

Sen. George McGovern, the leading anti-Vietnam war liberal, won the 1972 nomination. McGovern turned out to be a disaster as a presidential candidate, winning only one state and the District of Columbia.

So without reverting to the days of party bosses like Buckley, the Democrats decided to guarantee that elected officials would have a bigger voice in the nomination.

Most people don't like the idea of our next presidential nominee being decided by super delegates. And, if it comes down to that, I think there is going to be some real trouble in the Democratic party. Personally, as a disenfranchised voter in Florida, I would be furious if super delegates decided the nominee, but Florida delegates did even get counted.

I came across this video clip, that might help you understand the whole 'super-delegate controversy' a little better. It's Dan Abrams and others, discussing the delegate situation, and why it could be a disaster waiting to happen.



Here is what other bloggers are saying about this...

Pam from Pam's Coffee Conversation did a guest post today for The Political Voices of Women.

Guess We'd Better Learn More About Super Delegates

Who Are The Super Delegates, and How Can We Influence Them?

11 Comments   add a comment >>
Pat Littlecreek
Wednesday February 13, 2008, 4:18 PM


One persone, one vote. That's what our voting system is supposed to be. I don't understand what the "electoral college" is and I certainly never heard of this SyperGroup before. It sounds like we, the common people,are unknowingly supporting a "puppet" voting system.

Marcus Harrington
Wednesday February 13, 2008, 2:15 PM


the problem with any delegates is that this system covers a true democracy! NONE of those special interest delegates represent ME or MY vOTE in a true democracy. it is time to end this fraudulent action in our democratic voting process!!!! if this system was not in place in 2ooo, then we never would have had to suffer the political foulness that came with "GWB" and dickfuck cheney!!!

Ben H.
Wednesday February 13, 2008, 9:40 AM


The important thing to understand is that this is not the presidential election. It is a primary. Which means that we are not voting for who will be president, we are voting ("unoficially") for who will RUN for president, and therefore the process is not covered by the same rules. This is an 'private' procedure by the DNC and they can do it however they want. I guess the Democratic Party's philosophy on this is that they must put up the candidate that can beat the Republican presidential nominee. Which in this case I feel would be Obama, as too many people on the right hate Hilary's guts and will show up at the polls to vote against her. And it would be McGovern all over again...

Ben H.
Wednesday February 13, 2008, 9:40 AM


The important thing to understand is that this is not the presidential election. It is a primary. Which means that we are not voting for who will be president, we are voting ("unoficially") for who will RUN for president, and therefore the process is not covered by the same rules. This is an 'private' procedure by the DNC and they can do it however they want. I guess the Democratic Party's philosophy on this is that they must put up the candidate that can beat the Republican presidential nominee. Which in this case I feel would be Obama, as too many people on the right hate Hilary's guts and will show up at the polls to vote against her. And it would be McGovern all over again...

Linda R.
Wednesday February 13, 2008, 8:38 AM


One vote one person, hand written paper ballots,No delegates no super delegates and no cacuses ! Now that would be a fair election

Robert E.
Wednesday February 13, 2008, 3:55 AM


The superdelegates are a bad idea for democracy. It is the way that politicians can go about their business as usual. Just as Gary Hart was sabatoged by Democratic insiders, the fate of Obama could be the same. Obama could be sabatoged by the Clintons (Bill and Hillary) and their political connections. Who ever heard of one man, one vote?

Thom Danfield
Tuesday February 12, 2008, 9:03 PM


how would the "super delegates" of today have felt in their early political days if they had been passed over for nomination to the seats they now occupy by the votes/political whims of even "SUPERER" DELEGATES? all this in direct opposition to the voice of the voters, i.e. "democracy?"

Alan Flood
Tuesday February 12, 2008, 6:20 PM


funny think , Obama wants change and portrays his disdain for the insiders yet accepts the support of insiders Like Kennedy and Clinton who are superdelegates. I have to wonder at what point he wil lacknowledge that he needs the support of the superdelegates/insiders? If he gets elected will he beholden to the insiders which may make it difficult for him to bring on change. In a sense he is selling his soul to insiders/superdelegates to get elected. People need to look at him and realize that his convictions take a second seat to getting elected. Do the republicans have superdelegates as i can't find any mention of them. Or is it just the Democratic party that has taken the vote away from the people?

Craig Q.
Tuesday February 12, 2008, 2:11 PM


How do we tell the people of countries like Cuba that we have a Democratic system of voting where all votes count. Between Electoral Colleges, Super Delegates and Party Punishment (like happened to Demos in Florida) the American people have had their votes taken away from them time after time, is this Democracy? is this what are soldiers are dying for? We are no better or worse than CUBA.

Michael S.
Tuesday February 12, 2008, 1:36 PM


barack obama mike huckabee vs machine

huckabee obama:
we understand your disgust.
subversion of democracy.

know this:
gravel kucinich paul nader
will fight any ticket
with clinton or mccain on it.

your eyes & ears are open...

Mike Gravel Dennis Kucinich Dr Ron Paul Ralph Nader
united by truth elicit fear smear blacklist.

Too many lies,
democracy rising democracy now.
Rage against the machine.

Honesty compassion intelligence guts.

No more extortion blackmail bribery division.
Divided we fall.


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