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Group Logos: the Tree is for the Earth; the background with Whales is of course for the Sea; for what we are losing, wantonly destroying........

Facts are hard to argue with, cold hard math .

By Percy Bysshe Shelley

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said--"Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert....Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,

And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;

And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."

Lost Cities are found in the Deserts of the world....... where did the moisture go that fed their agriculture?

This quote from John Feeney in the Overpopulation Action Network thread, seems to be apt here:

"It's the great taboo of environmentalism: the size and growth of the human population.

It has a profound impact on all life on Earth, yet for decades it has been conspicuously absent from public debate.

Most natural scientists agree our growing numbers and our unchecked impact on the natural environment move us inexorably toward global calamities of unthinkable severity.

They agree the need to address population has become desperate.

Yet many environmentalists avoid the subject, a few objecting strongly to any focus on our numbers.

Some activists insist acting to influence population growth infringes on human rights; they maintain that it is best to leave the problem alone.

Let's dispense with this confused notion right now.

Yes, there have been past abuses in the name of "population control".

[OK, and current abuses too! BMT]

There have been abuses of health care and education too, but the idea of reacting by abandoning any of these causes is absurd.

We can learn from past abuses, reducing the likelihood of fresh problems arising in the future.

In fact, those working on population issues have done so. Today, they recognise that the methods with the best track records of reducing population growth are, by their nature, respectful and promoting of human rights.

They include educating girls and women in developing countries to help empower them.

This is achieved by providing more options, using media strategies to make them aware of alternatives regarding family sizes and family planning.

Those who oppose talking about the world's population are obstructing the further provision of such services and resources."

I do not understand how the "Host Shares" thing is supposed to work; so if someone can enlighten me, I'll change this!
This impinges on Environmental Disaster and the subject of this group, in a way; the present-day Political and Economic arrangements of the world, which are supported by naked Armed Force, are about the worst possible ones for dealing with our Environmental and Population problems........

Take a look at this Share:

Alert: DEATH SQUADS operate within US Army to silence opposition
(3 comments) — After looking at the evidence surrounding the Pat Tillman coverup, I have come to this certain conclusion: that DEATH SQUADS ARE OPERATING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES ARMY; USED AGAINST MEMBERS OF THE U.S. MILITARY ITSELF.
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