Tina Fey and Ellen: Making the F Word and the L Word OK for the Masses


Written by Natalie Wilson, a blogger for Ms. Magazine

Tina Fey appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres show recently, treating this feminist to an afternoon of giddy happiness — two of my favorite women comedians joking about gender, beauty norms, ageism and the Hollywood machine!

If you wanted to convince the remaining doubters that the F word, lesbianism and same-sex marriage are nothing to be scared of, Tina Fey and Ellen DeGeneres are the perfect vehicles.

In her recent book, Bossypants, (reviewed for Ms. by Audrey Bilger here and for Girl with Pen by yours truly), Fey, like a jocular Mary Poppins, gives readers many spoonfuls of sugar to make the feminist medicine go down. Coating incisive points about sexism with comedy makes them easy to swallow, much like her infamous Sarah Palin impersonations, of which she writes, “You all watched a sketch about feminism and you didn’t even realize it because of all the jokes. It’s like when Jessica Seinfeld puts spinach in kids’ brownies. Suckers!”

While Fey focuses on feminist issues relating to sexism in the workplace and in politics, DeGeneres is more of a comedic lesbian activist. While she has noted she doesn’t wish to be an activist or spokesperson for the LGBTQ community, she often publicly denounces heteronormativity and uses her show as a platform to promote LGBTQ rights. For example, she insisted then-presidential candidate John McCain discuss same-sex marriage when he appeared on her show afternoon television, she denounced Sarah Palin’s support of a federal ban on gay marriage (for which Melissa Silverstein, of Women and Hollywood, named her “Hollywood feminist of the day”) and last year she addressed the issue of anti-gay bullying and LGBTQ suicide. While some argue she is not activist or outspoken enough (as she herself notes), I agree with Kathy Belge’s sentiment that,

Just living her life as an out lesbian, [Ellen] does more with her actions than she could ever say with her words … She talks about being gay when it’s relevant, but she does what she’s best at: making us laugh.

Sure, DeGeneres could take more actions, but couldn’t we all? And, by making us laugh, she sugar-coats lesbianism for a mass audience that might otherwise balk, as when she lambasted the suggestion that same-sex marriage will “turn children gay” on her show with the following:

I don’t know what people are scared of. Maybe they think that their children will be influenced. I gotta say I was raised by two heterosexuals … I was surrounded by heterosexuals — just everywhere I looked, heterosexuals — and they did not influence … I mean I dabbled in high school, who didn’t? Everyone dabbled, ya know?

That joke came to mind when, during the show, DeGeneres asked the pregnant Fey if she knows the sex of her womb-dweller, to which Fey answered:

No, we’ve decided we’re gonna wait. We’re just gonna find out never. Not even after its born. We’re gonna see what it chooses to wear to prom.

Both women, in their typically understated fashion, mock a world in which what is (presumed) to be between one’s legs defines one’s opportunities and treatment in life.

During their banter, Fey and Ellen alluded to lots of big feminist ideas — the institution of motherhood, the hyper-vigilance expected of the female body, gender and sexuality norms, and the mainstream media’s sexualization of women. DeGeneres asked Fey about the embarrassing mother-daughter bra fitting story she relates in her book, and Fey jokes, “This early breast-related humiliation prevented me from ever needing to participate in ‘Girls Gone Wild’ in my twenties.” DeGeneres also talked with Fey about her experiences as a mother; Fey shared that her daughter likes “to play C-section” and pretend she is cutting open Fey’s tummy. As in her book, Fey mocked our cultural obsessions with youth and beauty, joking about being referred to by the medical establishment as of “advanced maternal age.” Discussing magazine cover shoots, she poked fun at the body ideals promoted in the media and revealed all the effort and artifice that goes into celebrification.

DeGeneres wrapped up Fey’s appearance with the following “Don’t you just love Tina Fey? … I will tell you what I like about her: She is funny and smart and she is just a wonderful person.”

I say the same is true of Ellen. And I would add another F word besides funny to refer to them both: feminist.

While many no doubt wish these two women were more overtly political, it takes all kinds of spokespeople and activists to render feminism and LGBTQ rights palatable to the masses. As the saying goes, “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.” Sure, strong activist “vinegar” is necessary, but sometimes a bit of “honey” makes the medicine go down. As for this feminist, she likes her honey Fey- and-DeGeneres flavored! Heck, they should launch a making-feminism-and-lesbianism-safe-for-the-masses comedy tour.

This post originally appeared on Ms. Magazine’s blog.

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Annmari Lundin
Annmari L6 years ago

Humor is a great way to change peoples views! Recently, a Swedish humor group sang one of their numbers on a widely watched TV-show. Roughly translated the song is called: It's the fault of the fags. A bunch of religious people are blaming gay men for just about everything that goes on in the world. I heard the song on the Internet about a year ago and laughed loudly. Anyone with a minimum IQ and any sense of humor can hear the satire and what the group Grotesco are aiming at; homophobia. But there's at least one person out there that doean't get it and have reported the show and the performance to the police for - low and behold - a hate crime against gays! I know a majority of the members on Care2 doesn't know Swedish, but I still recommend you to go to YouTube, search for Grotesco and click the link for "Det är bögarnas fel - Allsång på Skansen Live". Just watch the audience and how many that are waving rainbow flags and join in the song!

Lika S.
Lika P6 years ago

We are all who we are, as an individual, and we fit in with the greater community in some form. We just need to realize that we have the potential to be ourselves, and we need to do that to the best of our abilities, not be someone that fits other people's ideology of who we're supposed to be... If you can't be true to yourself, you just failed your first goal. How can you perform your next one, or be true to life?

Danielle K.
Danielle K6 years ago

Both wonderful people that are changing the world we live in :o)

Brenda Gilbert
Brenda Gilbert6 years ago

Everyone has to make their own contribution to whatever cause they support in their own unique way. Ellen does it through her lifestyle, through her interviews and through comedy. I don't think anyone else has the right to criticise her for not making the contribution they would like her to make in the way they would like her to make it.

Bryon S.
Bryon S6 years ago

I love them both. They are so funny. And they have integrity too.

Tami Kennedy
Tami Kennedy6 years ago

That's a show I wish I hadn't missed.

Lori Ann H.
Lori Hone6 years ago

The world needs more people like Ellen and Faye, they're both great.

Dotti Lydon
Dotti L6 years ago

I intended to say comes from within.

Dotti Lydon
Dotti L6 years ago

Just look how much prettier Tina is than Sarah. Which I would say, comes within. Love Ellen and Tina.

Sharon H.
Sharon H6 years ago

Love them both and both are better women than Palin or Bachmann.