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War Dodgers - New York Times


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Refusing illegal orders, US refugees in Canada, troops seeking asylum )


- 4130 days ago - nytimes.com
Next month, the Canadian House of Commons is slated to debate a resolution that would allow conscientious objectors "who have refused or left military service related to a war not sanctioned by the United Nations" to apply for residency in Canada.



   

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Marian E (152)
Thursday March 27, 2008, 10:40 pm

I was dissapointed that the Canadians removed the U.S. from their list
of countries that torture. I will hope that they don't wimp out on this.

Thank you Mark.
 

Penelope P (222)
Thursday March 27, 2008, 11:03 pm
THankyou Mark noted
 

Joycey B (750)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:25 am
Noted with thanks Mark.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday March 28, 2008, 6:25 pm
HOORAY FOR THE WAR DODGERS!
Canadians, Americans, LET'S GIVE THEM EVERY FORM OF SUPPORT WE CAN.
Verbal, moral, legal, even financial!
MAY THERE BE MANY, MANY, MANY MORE OF THEM.

There is an UNDERGROUND RAILROAD to Canada. With Safe Houses, etc.
Like with the Underground Railroad during slavery days, PACIFIST CHURCHES are heavily involved.
If YOU know anyone who needs to go this route -- check out the TRADITIONAL PACIFIST CHURCHES. Quakers {'Society of Friends'}, Mennonites, etc.
I don' know anythin' more. Just that.
Please TELL YOUR FRIENDS IN THE MILITARY -- if they TRULY ARE YOUR FRIENDS.

By the way, INCREASINGLY the Military is NOT ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS FOR CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR {C.O.} STATUS.
So, GOING AWOL AND DESERTION, with all its consequences, ARE INCREASINGLY THE ONLY MEANS LEFT FOR A SOLDIER TO FOLLOW HIS OR HER CONSCIENCE. Or, simply REFUSING and facing the brig and a COURTMARTIAL.
Not a great deal of choice.
I HONOR ALL THOSE WHO MAKE THE COURAGEOUS CHOICE TO RESIST AT WHATEVER COST.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday March 28, 2008, 6:38 pm
PUT TO REST, FOREVER, THAT JUNK YOU MAY HAVE HEARD: THAT DESERTERS ARE "SHOT". Yeah, stood up against the wall and.......
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(The D.O.D defines a deserter as anyone who has been AWOL for 30 consecutive days or who seeks asylum in a foreign country; desertion carries a maximum penalty of five years’ imprisonment.)
A MAXIMUM PENALTY; A MAXIMUM PENALTY OF FIVE YEARS' IMPRISONMENT FOR DESERTION. DON'T BELIEVE, DON'T LET ANYONE BELIEVE, THE SCARE TACTICS.

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"The majority of the deserters in Canada have chosen not to make the authorities aware of their presence. Like any other illegal immigrants, they have settled for invisibility. A few dozen, though, followed Hinzman’s lead. Most found their way to Jeffry House. One young Army medic named Justin Colby read an AOL news posting about Hinzman’s case while stationed in Iraq. He telephoned House from Ramadi and showed up in his office a few months later.

House would eventually represent between 30 and 35 American deserters. Most of them, like Colby, say they joined the military in part out of patriotism. “I thought Iraq had something to do with 9/11,” Colby says, “that they were the bad guys that attacked our country.” But unlike Hinzman, most did not apply for conscientious-objector status. They tend to say they aren’t opposed to all wars in principle — just to the one they were ordered to fight. It wasn’t until Colby arrived in Iraq that he started to see the conflict as “a war of aggression, totally unprovoked,” he says. “I was, like, ‘This is what my buddies are dying for?’ ” Midway through his tour, he decided: “I’m never going to do this again.” He went AWOL the day before his unit left to train for a second deployment. House says that more than two-thirds of his clients have been deployed to Iraq at least once. “One is resisting a third deployment.”

Tens of thousands of American draft dodgers and deserters took refuge in Canada in the late 1960s and early ’70s. House was one of them. He packed up his car and left his home in Wisconsin 38 years ago to start a new life in Canada. The process was simple. “I came to the border and said: ‘I would like to immigrate to Canada. I’m refusing to serve in Vietnam,’ ” he recalls. Border officials had him type up an application for residency on the spot. “Four weeks later, I got my permanent-resident status.” But times have changed since Pierre Trudeau, then the prime minister, declared Canada “a refuge from militarism.” While Canada is still a relative haven for asylum-seekers, its immigration laws have tightened sharply, and Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been a faithful ally of the Bush administration. (Harper has kept 2,500 Canadian troops in Afghanistan, whose deployment the House of Commons recently extended until 2011.) As a result, the new generation of war resisters find themselves in an uncomfortable squeeze. In today’s Canada, deserters like Hinzman really have only one legal option: to apply for residency as refugees."

 

Elisa M (93)
Friday March 28, 2008, 8:45 pm

I've been following this story-- I LOVE Jeffry House!!!
thanks Mark :)
 

Belinda Velasquez (3)
Friday March 28, 2008, 10:14 pm
As the mother of seven, I applaud Canada's efforts to support those who do not wish to go to war. I would drive my children to the border if they ever brought back the draft. I sympathize with those whose children choose to join the armed forces, but to not have that choice is to me unlawful. We should not be forced to fight in wars we want nothing to do with, and the draft would insure thousands upon thousands of our sons and daughters would have to do just that. Listen up Canada, we need you behind those whose choice would otherwise be taken from them!!!
 

Penelope P (222)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 1:21 am
Thankyou Mark noted
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 11:52 am
They won;t bring in a draft because too many would protest. Instead they'll take their canon fodder from those who thought National Guard duty was something to do on the weekend (and feel patriotic about) and those who bought the lies about 9/11. They'll supplement the shortfall with unbelievably expensive mercenaries (now called 'private contractors), and keep the cameras away from the coffins coming home 'out of respect for the dead'. Out of fear that the people might see and get angry in reality.

There are lawsuits here in the US being brought by those who have 'deserted' and refuse to fight. I don't know how to support them. I wish I did.
 
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