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On Israel's Little-Known Concentration and Labor Camps in 1948-1955


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The internment of thousands of Palestinian civilians within at least 22 Zionist-run concentration and labor camps that existed from 1948 to 1955 and the contours of this historical crime



   

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fly bird (26)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 5:33 pm
Much of the grim and murky circumstances of the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the late 1940s have gradually been exposed over time. One aspect – rarely researched or deeply discussed – is the internment of thousands of Palestinian civilians within at least 22 Zionist-run concentration and labor camps that existed from 1948 to 1955. Now more is known about the contours of this historical crime, due to the comprehensive research by renowned Palestinian historian Salman Abu Sitta and founding member of the Palestinian resource center BADIL Terry Rempel.

The facts are these.

The study – to be published in the upcoming issue of the Journal of Palestine Studies – relies on almost 500 pages of International Committee of the Red Cross's (ICRC) reports written during the 1948 war, that were declassified and made available to the public in 1996, and accidentally discovered by one of the authors in 1999.

Furthermore, testimonies of 22 former Palestinian civilian detainees of these camps were collected by the authors, through interviews they conducted themselves in 2002, or documented by others during different moments of time.

With these sources of information, the authors, as they put it, pieced together a clearer story of how Israel captured and imprisoned “thousands of Palestinian civilians as forced laborers,” and exploited them “to support its war-time economy.”

Digging up the crimes

“I came across this piece of history in the 1990s when I was collecting material and documents about Palestinian,” Abu Sitta told Al-Akhbar English. “The more and more you dig, the more you find there are crimes that have taken place that are not reported and not known.”

At that time, Abu Sitta went to Geneva for a week to check out the newly-opened archives of the ICRC. According to him, the archives were opened to the public after accusations that the ICRC had sided with the Nazis during World War II. It was an opportunity that he could not miss in terms of seeing what the ICRC had recorded of the events that occurred in Palestine in 1948. It was there he stumbled onto records discussing the existence of five concentration camps run by the Israelis.

He then decided to look for witnesses or former detainees, interviewing Palestinians in occupied Palestine, Syria, and Jordan.

“They all described the same story, and their real experience in these camps,” he said.

One question that immediately struck him was why there was barely any references in history about these camps, especially when it became clearer the more he researched that they existed, and were more than just five camps.


“Many former Palestinian detainees saw the concept of Israel as a vicious enemy, so they thought their experience labouring in these concentration camps was nothing in comparison to the other larger tragedy of the Nakba.” – Palestinian historian Salman Abu Sitta
“Many former Palestinian detainees saw the concept of Israel as a vicious enemy, so they thought their experience labouring in these concentration camps was nothing in comparison to the other larger tragedy of the Nakba. The Nakba overshadowed everything,” Abu Sitta explained.

“However, when I dug into the period of 1948-1955, I found more references like Mohammed Nimr al-Khatib, who was an imam in Haifa, who had written down interviews with someone from al-Yahya family that was in one of the camps. I was able to trace this man all the way to California and spoke with him in 2002,” he added.

More references were eventually and slowly discovered by Abu Sitta that included information from a Jewish woman called Janoud, a single masters thesis in Hebrew University about the topic, and the personal accounts of economist Yusif Sayigh, helped to further flesh out the scale and nature of these camps.

After more than a decade, Abu Sitta, with his co-author Rempel, are finally presenting their findings to the public.

From burden to opportunity: concentration and labor camps

The establishment of concentration and labor camps occurred after the unilateral declaration of Israel's statehood on May 1948.

Prior to that event, the number of Palestinian captives in Zionist hands were quite low, because, as the study states, “the Zionist leadership concluded early on that forcible expulsion of the civilian population was the only way to establish a Jewish state in Palestine with a large enough Jewish majority to be 'viable'.” In other words, for the Zionist strategists, prisoners were a burden in the beginning phases of the ethnic cleansing.

Those calculations changed with the declaration of the Israeli state and the involvement of the armies of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and Transjordan, after much of the ethnic cleansing had occurred. From that moment, “the Israeli forces began taking prisoners, both regular Arab soldiers (for eventual exchange), and – selectively – able-bodied Palestinian non-combatant civilians.”

The first camp was Ijlil, which was about 13 km northeast of Jaffa, on the site of the destroyed Palestinian village Ijlil al-Qibiliyya, emptied of its inhabitants in early April. Ijlil was predominately made up of tents, housing hundreds and hundreds of prisoners, categorized as POWs by the Israelis, surrounded by barbed wire fences, watchtowers, and a gate with guards.

As the Israeli conquests grew, in turn exceedingly increasing the number of prisoners, three more camps were established. These are the four “official” camps that the Israelis acknowledged and were actively visited by the ICRC.

The study notes:

All four camps were either on or adjacent to military installations set up by the British during the Mandate. These had been used during World War II for the interment of German, Italian, and other POWs. Two of the camps – Atlit, established in July about 20 kms south of Haifa, and Sarafand, established in September near the depopulated village of Sarafand al-Amar in central Palestine—had earlier been used in the 1930s and 1940s to detain illegal Jewish immigrants.

Atlit was the second largest camp after Ijlil, it had the capacity of holding up to 2,900 prisoners, while Sarafand had the maximum capacity of 1,800, and Tel Letwinksy, near Tel Aviv, held more than 1,000.

All four camps were administered by “former British officers who had defected their ranks when British forces withdrew from Palestine in mid-May 1948,” and the camp's guards and administrative staff were former members of the Irgun and the Stern Gang – both groups designated as terrorist organizations by the British before their departure. In total, the four “official” camps were staffed by 973 soldiers.

A fifth camp, called Umm Khalid, was established at a site of another depopulated village near the Zionist settlement of Netanya, and was even assigned an official number in the records, but never attained “official” status. It had the capacity to hold 1,500 prisoners. Unlike the other four camps, Umm Khalid would be “the fist camp established exclusively as a labor camp” and was “the first of the “recognized” camps to be shut down...by the end of 1948.”

Complementing these five “recognized” camps, were at least 17 other “unrecognized camps” that were not mentioned in official sources, but the authors discovered through multiple prisoner testimonies.


Civilians in a labour camp in Ramleh, July 1948. (Photo: Salman Abu Sitta, Palestine Land Society)

“Many of [these camps],” the authors noted, “[were] apparently improvised or ad hoc, often consisting of no more than a police station, a school, or the house of a village notable,” with holding capacities that ranged from almost 200 prisoners to tens.

Most of the camps, official and unofficial, were situated within the borders of the UN-proposed Jewish state, “although at least four [unofficial camps] – Beersheba, Julis, Bayt Daras, and Bayt Nabala – were in the UN-assigned Arab state and one was inside the Jerusalem “corpus separatum.”


“[T]he situation of civilian internees was ‘absolutely confused’ with that of POWs, and… Jewish authorities ‘treated all Arabs between the ages of 16 and 55 as combatants and locked them up as prisoners of war.’” – ICRC report, 1948
The number of Palestinian non-combatant detainees “far exceeded” those of Arab soldiers in regular armies or bona fide POWs. Citing a July 1948 monthly report made by ICRC mission head Jacques de Reynier, the study states that de Reynier noted, “that the situation of civilian internees was ‘absolutely confused’ with that of POWs, and that the Jewish authorities ‘treated all Arabs between the ages of 16 and 55 as combatants and locked them up as prisoners of war.’” In addition, the ICRC found among the detainees in official camps, that 90 of the prisoners were elderly men, and 77 were boys, aged 15 years or younger.

The study highlights the statements by an ICRC delegate Emile Moeri in January 1949 of the camp inmates:


It is painful to see these poor people, especially old, who were snatched from their villages and put without reason in a camp, obliged to pass the winter under wet tents, away from their families; those who could not survive these conditions died. Little children (10-12 years) are equally found under these conditions. Similarly sick people, some with tuberculosis, languish in these camps under conditions which, while fine for healthy individuals, will certainly lead to their death if we do not find a solution to this problem. For a long time we have demanded that the Jewish authorities release those civilians who are sick and need treatment to the care of their families or to an Arab hospital, but we have not received a response.

As the report noted, “there are no precise figures on the total number of Palestinian civilians held by Israel during the 1948-49 war” and estimates tend to not account for “unofficial” camps, in addition to the frequent movement of prisoners between the camps in use. In the four “official” camps, the number of Palestinian prisoners never exceeded 5,000 according to figures in Israeli records.

Taking accounting the capacity of Umm Khalid, and estimates of the “unofficial camps,” the final number of Palestinian prisoners could be around the 7,000 range, and perhaps much more, as the study states, when taking into account a November 17, 1948 diary entry by David Ben-Gurion, one of the main Zionist leaders and Israel's first prime minister, who mentioned “the existence of 9,000 POWs in Israeli-run camps.”

In general, the living conditions in the “official” camps were far below what would be considered appropriate by international law at that time. Moeri, who visited the camps constantly, reported that in Ijlil in November 1948: “"[m]any [of the] tents are torn, that the camp was “not ready for winter,” the latrines not covered, and the canteen not working for two weeks. Referring to an apparently ongoing situation, he stated that "the fruits are still defective, the meat is of poor quality, [and] the vegetables are in short supply."

Furthermore, Moeri reported that he saw for himself, “'the wounds left by the abuse' of the previous week, when the guards had fired on the prisoners, wounding one, and had beaten another.”

As the study shows, the civilian status of the majority of the detainees were clear for the ICRC delegates in the country, who reported that the men captured “had undoubtedly never been in a regular army.” Detainees who were combatants, the study explains, were “routinely shot on the pretense that they had been attempting to escape.”

The Israeli forces seemed to always target able-bodied men, leaving behind women, children, and the elderly – when not massacring them – the policy continued even after there were low levels of military confrontation. All in all, as the Israeli records show and the study cites, “Palestinian civilians comprised the vast majority (82 percent) of the 5,950 listed as internees in the POW camps, while the Palestinians alone (civilian plus military) comprised 85 percent.”

The wide-scale kidnapping and imprisonment of Palestinian civilians tend to correspond with the Israeli military campaigns. For example, one of the first major roundup occurred during Operation Danj, when 60-70,000 Palestinians were expelled from the central towns of Lydda and Ramleh. At the same time, between a fifth and a quarter of the male population from these two towns who were over the age of 15 were sent to the camps.

The largest round-up of civilians came from villages of central Galilee who were captured during Operation Hiram in the fall of 1948.

One Palestinian survivor, Moussa, described to the authors what he witnessed at the time.

“They took us from all villages around us: al-Bi'na, Deir al-Asad, Nahaf, al-Rama, and Eilabun. They took 4 young men and shot them dead...They drove us on foot. It was hot. We were not allowed to drink. They took us to [the Palestinian Druze village] al-Maghar, then [to the Jewish settlement] Nahalal, then to Atlit.”

A November 16, 1948 UN report collaborated Moussa's account, stating that some 500 Palestinian men “were taken by force march and vehicle to a Jewish concentration camp at Nahlal.”

Maintaining Israel’s economy with “slave labor”

The policy of targeting civilians, particular “able-bodied” men, was not accidental according to the study. It states, “with tens of thousands of Jewish men and women called up for military service, Palestinian civilian internees constituted an important supplement to the Jewish civilian labor employed under emergency legislation in maintaining the Israeli economy,” which even the ICRC delegation had noted in their reports.


Abuses by the Israeli guards were systematically rife in the camps, the brunt of which was directed towards villagers, farmers, and lower class Palestinians.
The prisoners were forced to do public and military work, such as drying wetlands, working as servants, collecting and transporting looted refugee property, moving stones from demolished Palestinian homes, paving roads, digging military trenches, burying the dead, and much more.

As one former Palestinian detainee named Habib Mohammed Ali Jarada described in the study, "At gunpoint, I was made to work all day. At night, we slept in tents. In winter, water was seeping below our bedding, which was dry leaves, cartons and wooden pieces.”

Another prisoner in Umm Khalid, Marwan Iqab al-Yehiya said in an interview with the authors, “We had to cut and carry stones all day [in a quarry]. Our daily food was only one potato in the morning and half dried fish at night. They beat anyone who disobeyed orders.” This labor was interspersed with acts of humiliation by the Israeli guards, as Yehiya speaks of prisoners being “lined up and ordered to strip naked as a punishment for the escape of two prisoners at night.”

“[Jewish] Adults and children came from nearby kibbutz to watch us line up naked and laugh. To us this was most degrading,” he added.

Abuses by the Israeli guards were systematic and rife in the camps, the brunt of which was directed towards villagers, farmers, and lower class Palestinians. This was so, the study said, because educated prisoners “knew their rights and had the confidence to argue with and stand up to their captors.”

What is also interestingly noted by the study is how ideological affiliations between prisoners and their guards had another effects in terms of the relationship between them.

Citing the testimony of Kamal Ghattas, who was captured during the Israeli attack in the Galilee, who said:


We had a fight with our jailers. Four hundred of us confronted 100 soldiers. They brought reinforcements. Three of my friends and I were taken to a cell. They threatened to shoot us. All night we sang the Communist Anthem. They took the four of us to Umm Khaled camp. The Israelis were afraid of their image in Europe. Our contact with our Central Committee and Mapam [Socialist Israeli party] saved us .… I met a Russian officer and told him they took us from our homes although we were non-combatants which was against the Geneva Conventions. When he knew I was a Communist he embraced me and said, "Comrade, I have two brothers in the Red Army. Long live Stalin. Long Live Mother Russia".

Yet, the less fortunate Palestinians faced acts of violence which included arbitrary executions and torture, with no recourse. The executions were always defended as stopping “escape attempts” – real or claimed by the guards.

It became so common that one former Palestinian detainee of Tel Litwinsky, Tewfic Ahmed Jum'a Ghanim recounted, “Anyone who refused to work was shot. They said [the person] tried to escape. Those of us who thought [we] were going to be killed walked backward facing the guards.”

“Anyone who refused to work was shot. They said [the person] tried to escape. Those of us who thought [we] were going to be killed walked backward facing the guards.” – Former Palestinian detainee Tewfic Ahmed Jum'a Ghanim


Ultimately, by the end of 1949, Palestinian prisoners were gradually released after heavy lobbying by the ICRC, and other organizations, but the releases were limited in scale and very focused to specific cases. Prisoners of Arab armies were released in prisoner exchanges, but Palestinian prisoners were unilaterally expelled across the armistice line without any food, supplies, or shelter, and told to walk into the distance, never to return.

It would not be until 1955 when most of the Palestinian civilian prisoners would finally be released.


Forced Labour Camps Atlas. (Source: Salman Abu Sitta, Palestine Land Society)

An enduring crime

The importance of this study is multifaceted. Not only does it reveal the numerous violations of international law and conventions of the age, such as 1907 Hague Regulations and the 1929 Geneva Conventions, but also shows how the event shaped the ICRC in the long run.

Because the ICRC was faced with a belligerent Israeli actor who was unwilling to listen and conform to international law and conventions, the ICRC itself had to adapt in what it considered were practical ways to help ensure the Palestinian civilian prisoners were protected under the barest of rights.

Citing his final report, the study quotes de Reynier:


[The ICRC] protested on numerous occasions affirming the right of these civilians to enjoy their freedom unless found guilty and judged by a court. But we have tacitly accepted their POW status because in this way they would enjoy the rights conferred upon them by the Convention. Otherwise, if they were not in the camps they would be expelled [to an Arab country] and in one way or another, they would lead, without resources, the miserable life of refugees.

In the end, the ICRC and other organizations were simply ineffective as Israel ignored its condemnations with impunity, in addition to the diplomatic cover of major Western powers.

More importantly, the study sheds more light on the extent of the Israeli crimes during its brutal and bloody birth. And “much more remains to be told,” as the final line of the study states.

“It is amazing to me, and many Europeans, who have seen my evidence,” Abu Sitta said, “that a forced labor camp was opened in Palestine three years after they were closed in Germany, and were run by former prisoners – there were German Jewish guards.”


The study essentially shows the foundations and beginnings of Israeli policy towards Palestinian civilians that comes in the form of kidnapping, arrest, and detainment.
“This is a bad reflection of the human spirit, where the oppressed copies an oppressor against innocent lives,” he added.

The study essentially shows the foundations and beginnings of Israeli policy towards Palestinian civilians that comes in the form of kidnapping, arrest, and detainment. This criminality continues till this day. One merely has to read the reports on the hundreds of Palestinians arrested prior, during, and after Israel's latest war on Gaza mid-summer of this year.

“Gaza today is a concentration camp, no different than the past,” Abu Sitta concluded to Al-Akhbar English.
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 6:27 pm
Everything but the ovens!!!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 6:27 pm
NEVER AGAIN seems to have had a very short lifespan.
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 6:33 pm
ONLY the “only democracy” in the Middle East can offer us such a PICTURE!
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 7:58 pm
Nothing has changed, Israhell is still comiting crimes against humanity! Thanks Jess!
 

ParsifalAWAY S (99)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 8:19 pm

They learn from brown history and improve fascism and adopt to the natives..... well, actually Zionism and Nazis often colloborated, especially when it comes to the foundation of the illegal construct of Israel.

Thanks Jess, no surprise
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 15, 2015, 3:12 am
Thx Jess for posting, read it already and hope this will become more widely known to the world.
A dreamer who would have thought they weren't able to copy and interprete NEVER AGAIN their very own way. To them it meant exactly that, to THEM, and only that. Not at all a short life span, rather an eternal one.
Only the concentration camps today have merged to one of huge size, the kapos have different names and the hellfire is now made in USA, not Germany any longer.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Monday June 15, 2015, 3:51 am
The actual report is solidly backed with references to ICRC archived documents The ICRC and the Detention of Palestinian Civilians in Israel's 1948 POW/Labor Camps. Unfortunately, not everyone will be able to access this unless they join academia.edu

The (Palestinian) pastor of a presbyterian church in Beirut occasionally talked of his experiences in one of these camps, as did Professor Yousef Sayegh. A sad patch Of Israeli and Palestinian history which I suspect does not appear in any Israeli text books. As you say, Sam - "Never Again" didn't last long for some people ... at least as a universal principle. It just became "Never again" for Jews for some people ....

And I don't think I'll ever be able to understand how any people who have been through such hell can turn around and do to others - not even to those who had perpetrated the horrors on them but on a different people - what was so monstruously wrong. And I know a number of Jews who share this incomprehension.

Thanks, Jess
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 15, 2015, 5:18 am
Evelyn, that complete report by SALMAN ABU SITTA AND TERRY REMPEL you live linked above is showing for me with all its 37/38 pages, why shouldn't it for others?
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 5:24 am
Evelyn,

I was able to access the whole report including the list of ALL the 137 references used in its preparation, just by clicking on the link you provided.

I didn't even need to download the paper although that option was available for anyone who wanted a pdf version of it.

The authors need to be commended on their scholarly approach to bring these atrocities to light.

And thanks, of course, to you and to Jess for posting the story!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 5:25 am
You beat me to that, Angelika! I shouldn't have taken that phone call!
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 15, 2015, 5:47 am
I agree that is quite a masterpiece and should be widely published and also be available at that new Nakba Museum.
Sam, this isn't a race, 'always be first, second is failure' does not apply here, fortunately. ;)
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 6:01 am
OOPS! Why didn't think of that? See, you didn't again! Glad it's not a race!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 6:10 am
BTW, did your hear about what Netanyahu is doing to "Breaking the Silence"? They already cancelled their exhibit in Germany. It seems Israel fears the TRUTH as much as it fears PEACE!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 15, 2015, 6:39 am
If that www.english.al-akhbar.com publishes such lies and stirs anti-Israel hate in English, one can only wonder what do they publish in Arabic!

What else can one expect from Jess!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 6:49 am
The Livonia nitwit is at it again.

This is scholarly work that was reported by a newspaper that you despise. Go to the 137 references given and tell us which one you disagree with and why.

Evelyn already gave you the link to do that. Do your scholarly work then come back with anything of substance.

This is a bit more involved than inking a cartoon!

Leave your hate aside, and use your head instead.

Do you get a thrill out of concealing Israel's atrocities?
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 6:56 am
Of course, you and Netanyahu should be trusted more than an honorary university fellow at the University of Exeter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Sam H (410)
Monday June 15, 2015, 6:59 am
I'm glad this troll, Amira--soon to be gone-- removed all doubts and identified herself as a terrorist!
 

Scooby Snacks (96)
Monday June 15, 2015, 7:09 am
Amira quote: Have you ever noticed that EVERYTHING that's posted here comes straight from the mouths of terrorists? Never ANY impartial and factual *information*?


Speak for yourself Amira
 

Scooby Snacks (96)
Monday June 15, 2015, 7:09 am
Shared, thanks for posting.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 15, 2015, 7:35 am
perhaps someone please flush the bidet ? it smells!
 

Scooby Snacks (96)
Monday June 15, 2015, 8:00 am
Hasbara is an Hebrew word defined as explanation. The purpose of Hasbara is to explain and educate western people about the Israeli mission. Hasbara can take many forms, adverts, websites, comments on blogs, letter writing, protests and so on. For a fuller idea of the depth of Habsara check this tool-kit from the We Believe in Israel Website. (made by BICOM). The difference between propaganda and hasbara? I would say Hasbara is more of a soft sell at first, it seeks to inform, influence and educate the ignorant to the Israeli cause. The narrative of Hasbara has a victimized quality underpinning it, a very passive-aggressive approach, Israel is always defending not attacking. They play the mis-understood victim and invite their critics to attack them. The sub-current being that Israel's message is not understood. Israel views that the reason for this is either lack of education or stupidity. So the Hasbara agents explain until they realise that they are getting nowhere and then respond with disdain and disgust.

Social Strategies

Key individuals are identified, some support Israel others oppose. These are the influencers, on Twitter they are people with over 1 000 followers and over 1 000 tweets. By seeking to influence and control these key individuals, Hasbara agents can influence many many more. Hasbara trolls on twitter try to act as shepherds for the tweeps, making them go this way or that. A troll traditionally on the Internet is someone indulges in off-topic abuse.
a troll is someone who posts inflammatory
extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response
or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
I believe that calling someone - anti-semite or neo-nazi or racist is inflammatory, unless that is their actual beliefs.
Hasbara Tactics

By controlling information one can control people and the social networks. Hasbara volunteers help to police social networks for Israel. The big media are dealt with through BICOM and AIPAC, whilst the social media are policed unofficially by the Hasbara troll brigade. Priority is to stop influencers being compromised by anti-Israel sentiment.
Hasbara Troll brigade

Hasbara Trolls are generally quite polite at first. They pop up when someone is critical of Israel and it's policies or interests. They target, write, engage, educate and insult. From my research it seems that there is some kind of hierarchy of trolls, they have leaders who tell them targets and guide them with their spin. Most work voluntarily but some are paid for by wealthy sponsors. They track topical keywords and persons using public websites such as topsy.com. Problems arise if one rejects the explanations being offered by the trolls, then their troll nature becomes apparent very quickly as they resort to smears and abuse.
Hasbara Troll attributes

Supreme point of view
The Hasbara troll knows best
Condescending & Patronising
Socialist (Smart and 'caring')
Do not have to be Jewish but Pro-Israel
Internet experts
Narcissistic
Provocative
Dis-ruptive
Like to ask the questions, not answer questions
Control freaks
Inflamed by anyone being critical of Israel
'Moral' Guardians
Classic insults: Anti-semite, Neo- Nazi, White Supremacist, Holocaust denier
Adept with social networks well trained on IT
Hasbara trolls use internet alerts to warn them when hot keywords are mentioned. Keywords such as Israel, Jewish, Judaism etc. When those words are mentioned they are alerted and they go to investigate who is talking about what. I have seen this happen many times with Gilad Atzmon, someone will post something from Gilad, shortly afterwards they are bombarded by hasbara trolls. Initially they explain where they had gone wrong and try to 'educate' people with their ideology. Usually they say something like
Do you know Gilad Atzmon is a notorious... anti-semite? neo-nazi, holocaust denier. etc.. etc.
The way to spot the troll is the inflammatory language. If Gilad was a anti-semite it should be self evident but he says quite clearly in his book "the Wandering Who" .

Troll techniques

Turn up randomly asking question about Israel, trying to engage/educate.
Guilt by association, they point to some source your are linked to as being anti-semitic or neo-nazi.
Opportunity to redeem - the offer chance to recant from your naive ways.
Smears and insults - if the top 3 fail then it's just character assassination.
Name bombing - using seo in blackhat ways to denounce and smear people. ie website with 37 mentions of someones name will prob get a Page one on Google.
Hasbara trolls generally follow the rules of social networks, because they want to continue to influence people and subvert open and free debate.
After repeated attempts to indoctrinate you, I mean educate you, the Hasbara trolls then resort to name bombing. Mentioning a persons name as many times as possible on social network sites to create negative report with strong SEO. Basically using the internet to smear people to the maximum. Hasbara Trolls are well organised and have links they point to to prove their flaky points. Although the links these trolls cite are often from their own hasbara chums and the blogs they reference do not have original source material just second hand re-cobbled quotes.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Monday June 15, 2015, 9:51 am
Angie - apparently, somebody did!

But the language was a dead give-away - and the "expertise" in someone supposedly new .... expertise in attacking those who criticise Israel in away, I mean ... not in giving reliable facts !
(The last comment applies so perfectly to the undocumented claims ...... A now vanished person wrote: "Yada...yada...yada... It doesn't suddenly become any more factual by repeating it ad nauseum!"
... yet how often we see twisted facts that are not supported by original archives - only sites that hope repetition will convince people ... because they can't substantiate from archived reports & first-hand witnesses)

Angie, Scooby, Sam, Nyack, Henriette, Parsifal, Jess ***********************************

And I'm delighted that people can read the full article - it is carefully researched
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 15, 2015, 10:38 am
Thank you Jess.
As for the above comment no I am not Palestine nor am I Jewish.
I can have issues with policies by leaders while not hating a whole group of people.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday June 15, 2015, 10:39 am
It's clear you never used one! Won't work without the flush, only going up, not down!
 

ParsifalAWAY S (99)
Monday June 15, 2015, 11:05 am

'What will have no one thought
which could have no one known
what none was allowed to foresee
which will be then again been
what no one wanted to have asked for'
- Erich Fried, Austrian poet 1921-1988
 

ParsifalAWAY S (99)
Monday June 15, 2015, 11:24 am

Scooby Snacks -- BINGO

A typical ploy by the matrix controllers' dis-information agents is to divert attention from core issues onto trivial side issues
 

Evelyn B (61)
Monday June 15, 2015, 12:41 pm
Angie - perhaps not so off topic as all that! Supression of information and reports that do not support the image Israel wants to be the only image permitted of the State.

This article concerns 20th century history. The blocking of the Breaking The Silence exhibition concerns silencing more recent history that doesn't suit the State of Israel/ current government. Just as the conference planned by Southampton University in April didn't suit the Zionists - and the Uni folded there, to, accepted to have alternative perspectives silenced. Democracy Israeli right wing style .... only approved voices allowed, especially outside Israel.

But supression of voices is a strategy when one is incapable of providing sound, provable factual counter arguments ...
Personal insults and inaccurate labels are also the same kind of strategy ....
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday June 15, 2015, 2:13 pm

A first thank you to Jess and Evelyn - I'll have quite some reading to do. It seems to confirm the "rumors" (we were told that these camps were outright lies) that were spread by :anti-Semites" and "Jew-haters".

How many times have we discussed this, Evelyn: "And I don't think I'll ever be able to understand how any people who have been through such hell can turn around and do to others - not even to those who had perpetrated the horrors on them but on a different people - what was so monstruously wrong." Your remark further up.

And I for one will never ever be able to understand it.

Angelika - thanks for the thumbs-up; for once our government and the "Kulturhaus" in Zurich didn't cave in to the immense pressure they were under. I'm really proud. And upset that Cologne gave in ... I guess the Zionist lobby played the guilt card to the fullest. I assume that Germans are expected to have a permanent feeling of guilt about what happened in the past. Personally I believe that this is wrong. The "Erbsuende" is a thing of the past and was a fairy tale anyway.

But IF this is to be applied - the eternal feeling of guilt - then what about all the other countries, like GB, US and IL to name just a few? Shouldn't they be equally guilt-ridden? Pay compensation through their noses like Germany had to and still does?

It seems I missed some "bidet" comments ... don't I remember this "yada yada yada" ... like a signature - LOL.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday June 15, 2015, 2:15 pm

Hhmmm - wasn't there something called "Freedom of Expression" which was held so terribly high and higher and higher when "Je suis Charlie" was having his day in public?

All gone with the wind when it comes to the Zionists ... strange Freedom we have ...
 

Glennis W (395)
Monday June 15, 2015, 5:45 pm
Noted.Deplorable yesterday and today. Thank you for sharing Scooby
 

Freya H (358)
Monday June 15, 2015, 8:09 pm
What irony. Jews were slaughtered en masse in labor camps. So what does Israel do?

Jews complain constantly about the ethnic cleansing that was inflicted on them. They have every right to do that - but not while committing the very same atrocities.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 15, 2015, 8:51 pm
Islamic brigade is on high today.

Sam:

"This is scholarly work that was reported by a newspaper that you despise. "?? "www.english.al-akhbar.com" is a clearly propaganda machine. I never take food from garbage dump, and advice you not to do that as well.

Thanks Evelyn for the link.

See, Sam, I checked that link and found again that you cannot trust Islamic supporters to say a thing. They will always either lie, or omit the truth. You like to fake article titles and photos to promote hate and stir anti-Israel feelings.

May be you think that I will not notice and not bring it up to attention for all readers. May be, Sam.

In this case, if you yourself read the link posted by Evelyn, from the Conclusion:
"As this article has argued, an underlying reason for the organization’s inability to intervene effectively was the absence of an established, agreed-upon international legal framework regulating the treatment of civilian noncombatants in wartime—a framework which did not come into existence until the Fourth Geneva Convention was signed in August 1949. But the ICRC’ s cautious approach also derived from its lack of enforcement power beyond moral persuasion, and from the fact that in Palestine, as in other conflicts, it had to weigh its interventions concerning the application of the Geneva Conventions against the broader imperative of protecting its role as a neutral intermediary.Well aware of the constraints, the organization intervened forcefully with the Israelis only in very specific cases which, while involving undeniable violations of international law, at the same time—and this is the crucial point—in no way touched any of Israel’ s core interests or long-term objectives. In such cases, Israel was willing to accommodate ICRC concerns, especially where it could be shown that they could be traced to individual wrongdoing rather than systematic practice"

And what do you expect Sam, from a party you are at war with? Do you forget that Allies were under orders not to take SS alive? Did you forget the survival rate of German POW in Russia, or Russian POW in Germany, four years back then?

POW camps of 5,000-9,000 people of Palestinian Arabs needs an article, but Syrian Arab refugees are counted now as 1,500,000 and growing - do not need an article?

Why do you think, Sam, that Arabs from Palestine and elsewhere can do whatever they want to Israel, bomb it, send suicide bombers, lure and kill youngsters, and in return get back only a nice treatment, authorized by all UN protocols and approved by some Poverty Society that you like to quote?

You guys say that Jihad stays above your lives. Then accept it for the fact and stop complaining. Otherwise, either your claim is a fake, or Jihad is a fake.








 

Walter F (129)
Monday June 15, 2015, 10:14 pm
Right Bob, the islamic brigade certainly is .on high.They're having a field day. Let them rant on it helps get the spite and hate out of their systems.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 15, 2015, 10:24 pm
Angelika: I didn't mean your comment. The comment I was addressing has been removed.
 

fly bird (26)
Monday June 15, 2015, 10:43 pm
This is no 'Islamic brigade'. These are documented crimes.

Ignore the hasbara. Shows how it's used, to try and obscure and deny.



 

Evelyn B (61)
Monday June 15, 2015, 11:58 pm
Yes, Jess
- do note the way that the archived reports cited are ignored, and people confuse a religion with human rights! The same way that they confuse refugees with "Prisoners of War" and abusive arrest of civilians under the label "POW" .... Any confusion that will confuse others is appropriate for hasbara ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 12:41 am

Can't send you more stars, Evelyn and Jess ... here are some more ******************
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 6:39 am
I never heard of concentration camps, run completely by inmates, where men and women not only live together with their kids, but have the highest in the world birth rate, generously sponsored by UNWRA from our taxes.

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 6:44 am
Eleonora,

Send as many stars as you wish to Evelyn and Jess, but don't be upset when their guys come to blow up Luxor. Because these guys just want you to be more poor and more Jihad-inclined.

Unless, someone can turn those regular bombings into a tourist attraction for dare devils who are still willing to visit Egypt.
 

Carol R (11)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 7:06 am
Thanks Jess.
 

ParsifalAWAY S (99)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 8:12 am

Israel bars UN envoy from entering occupied Palestinian lands
Israel has blocked a United Nations envoy from visiting the occupied Palestinian territories.

The Israeli foreign ministry said the decision was made because the mandate is anti-Israeli.
This is the second time that Makarim Wibisono, the UN’s special rapporteur on human rights is denied entry to the occupied Palestinian lands.
Wibisono is working for the UN Human Rights Council which has been studying last year's war on Gaza.
On Sunday, Israel released its own report defending its actions during the Gaza war.
Tel Aviv called the offensive lawful and legitimate.
But the UN said Israel is responsible for the deadly bombing of several UN institutions where Palestinian civilians had taken shelter.
More than 2200 Palestinians were killed during the Israeli war on Gaza last summer.
Nearly 540 children were among the victims

 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 9:30 am
Yeah, sure, what else.. Israel's version of every story is always the only truth, the world knows this by now.
Even if they don't even have an own story like for what this post is about! Means it never happened by their truth.
This should be a separate post I suggest! Israel already made THEIR version of their own findings public which of course, claims they were doing the right thing, approved by their lawers.
 

ParsifalAWAY S (99)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 9:40 am

yup Angelika, as you so proper mentioned:

'by their laywers'

~~~~~~~~~~

We must be very carefully, the world is to be very attentive because...

... Fascism is Entering the Door again
 

Evelyn B (61)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 12:27 pm
There is a certain irony that, although pro-Zionists deny furiously facts that are backed by original documentation in archives, in this world of the 21st century, Information Technology allows access to a range of archived documentation by anyone wanting to check facts!

And (as we are often reminded) - which country contributes significantly to such progress in information technology & communication? Israel .......

:>D
Ironic!!
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 12:31 pm
Exxactly. I think it's called backfire ^^ lol
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 12:37 pm
BTW, I posted the news Parsifal mentioned above, about the UN envoy being blocked to enter Palestinian lands
Israel Blocks Visit of UN Human Rights Envoy
Also a long
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 12:40 pm
oops, got cut off there. :///
Posted also a long
Interview with The Man Behind the BDS Movement
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 1:07 pm
A short discussion of the Israeli term used to describe the ongoing, ever-growing, national propaganda effort

http://972mag.com/hasbara-why-does-the-world-fail-to-understand-us/27551/
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 3:48 pm

Hi Bob – thanks for your permission as well as warning of June 16, 2015, 6:44 am

Don’t worry – I send as many stars to them as I feel like … ;-).

I take your warning serious though and have barricaded myself in my house, have the double shut-gun ready as well as the revolver and the teasers. Haven’t manned though the canon on the tower – do you think I should do this too?

I don’t quite understand though what you mean that I’d be poorer if Evelyn and/or Jess would come and blow me up. I believe that I would then turn into a) a number in the death statistics and b) little smithereens.

But in case I’d survive their attack – these mean Jihadi-girls!!! … after all the many Green Stars I’m sending them they come and blow me up!!! – why should that make me more Jihad-inclined? Do I miss an important point here?

Don’t worry about Egypt – despite the very hot whether we do have tourists although not nearly enough to make a big impact. These too goes into the negative balance of Evelyn and Jess.

Do you think I should notify our Intelligence in case these two evil Jihadis come to Egypt? What do you think?

I’d appreciate your valued advice!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 3:51 pm

Evelyn - you Jihadi!!! Do you expect us to check out facts too?? I for once have all hands full fortifying my house in case you and/or Jess come and want to blow me up! You're really ungrateful after all the Green Stars I'm sending both of you.

BTW - at around what time would you come and blow me up? Just so that I can get the coffee and the croissants ready ... LOL!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 3:58 pm

Angelika - who do you think will have to foot the bill for those shysters Israel hired ... ops ... I meant to say lawyers!

Parsifal - does this really come as a surprise to us that Israel is banning yet another UN envoy? But then ... better banning than murdering him like back then they did with Count Bernadotte!

I specifically like polit-Israel's own investigation. Once I see a different outcome than the one in your link I'll throw a big party.

Yet we shouldn't be too hard on Israel - for all I know no country has ever investigated a sitting PM and government for war crimes and crimes against humanity and found them guilty! It's like Hitler investigating his actions .... and coming up with a guilty verdict - LOL but a bitter one.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 7:06 pm
Eleonora,

If you think Islamists in general, or MB/Hamas in particular will be good for Egypt - it's your decision. Just ignore all those starving students that you mentioned in one of your posts and continue on the path of the true believers.

 

ParsifalAWAY S (99)
Tuesday June 16, 2015, 11:05 pm

Eleonora Oldani do not forget the real terrorists 'KNOCK' first before they bomb and 'missile' your home and exterminate all life in it

'Knock-on-the-roof' Bombing Technique (Israeli '''''''Defense'''''''' Force).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doYmYby_7mk
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday June 17, 2015, 1:17 am
yes, it's all about 'appearances'...
A so called 'knock' on the roof- how so very civilized, before you bomb someone's home and family!!

REAL civilized - that's hasbara, for you - dead children and families. Shameless and indefensible!!
 

Evelyn B (61)
Wednesday June 17, 2015, 3:50 am
Yes - "knocking" & then expecting everyone to get out in a very few minutes is very civilised! Getting downstairs very fast with small children & elderly is so easy ... I don't think!

If I send you a "knock" warning, Eleonora, it is more likely to be a well-cocooned bottled of Calvados than an explosive ... would go better with coffee & croissants!

Am I the only person to be surprised & impressed to see the parallel between Concentration/labour camps and Gaza that Bob describes? I've only heard "open air prison" for Gaza, but as Bob has sources not available to us .....
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 17, 2015, 12:50 pm

"Eleonora, If you think Islamists in general, or MB/Hamas in particular will be good for Egypt - it's your decision. Just ignore all those starving students that you mentioned in one of your posts and continue on the path of the true believers."

Bob???? Not your good day today? Where exactly do or did I ever say that the MB or Hama is good for Egypt?? Do you read/comprehend what I write? Or haven't you read my many comments about the MB and/or Egypt?

You used to do much better than that! Did the "little white Dawah Ghost" bother you last night in your dream?

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 17, 2015, 1:10 pm

Evelyn - you'd make my day with a nice Calvados! Funny that you mention it; it's my absolute favorite. If you can't get your hand on a fine Pays d'Auge or a Père Magloire I'd settle for a Boulard.

I've given up on Bob, dear Evelyn. Something is wrong with him these days ... what he writes doesn't make sense to me ...
 

Evelyn B (61)
Wednesday June 17, 2015, 2:22 pm
Well, Eleonora - you mentioned your preference in a discussion with Barbara D some time ago!! :>)

And Bob doesn't really read what we post or comment - just listens to what he KNOWS we must be believing/ saying ....
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 18, 2015, 8:14 pm
Jess, it is much better to knock on the roof and let people save their lives like Israelis do, than to come to a Passover celebration for elderly people and blow up it, as Arabs do.
 

Evelyn B (61)
Friday June 19, 2015, 12:30 am
"Knocking" with an explosive, then not allowing time for families with elderly, children etc to get out is rather similar to visiting with the Torah in one hand and a gun in the other, to offer a hand of friendship ... (An example given in an article by a pro-Zionist posted some time ago).

Hamas commit many wrongs - but they recognised and admitted the error of suicide bombs eight years ago - and the Passover event was 13 years ago. They do not deny that they were responsible for what they did. Israel prefers to pretend that they never ran concentration camps and labour camps. Unfortunately for the deniers - there are archive records.

Reconciliation and peace-building requires honest recognition of wrongs done.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 19, 2015, 3:58 am
..that is why e.g. South Afrika had a long and difficult process with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, but there's NO WAY AROUND such a fact finding process. And Israel will never contribute to any such approach as
their truth is the only truth.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday June 19, 2015, 1:00 pm

Evelyn - did you have someone like Raanan Gissin in mind, where he explains how his great-grandfather came to the holy land - LOL?

Angelika - not enough stars for you excellent comment!!
 

Evelyn B (61)
Friday June 19, 2015, 2:04 pm
Thanks Eleonora *************************** - that is exactly the kind of example ....
His 3 handed great grandfather ? Or was it the rifle in the hand held out in friendship? Fore-runner of the rightwingers today (and the government policies & strategies towards the Palestinians!
 
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