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Snowden - 'No Way I Can Come Home and Make My Case to a Jury'


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Snowden, NSA, spying, surveillance, Obama, freedoms, constitution, americans, abuse, terrorism, national security, whistleblowers, spying, terrorists, data colletion, law, congress )

Angelika
- 1943 days ago - rt.com
"One only need to look at the case of Thomas Drake to see how the government doesn't have a good history of handling legitimate reports of wrongdoing within the system," Mr. Snowden said.



   

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Past Member (0)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:08 pm
I absolutely detest politics. I detest Snowden. I detest our government as well as most other governments across the world. Why in God's name do we let liars, cheats, thieves, arrogant and selfish people run our governments? I don't care if anyone taps my phone for instance ... I have nothing to hide. Now if I DID have something to hide I'd probably care. Let's live cleanly and I don't mean scrubbing floors ... and mean scrubbing souls and minds!!
 

David B (38)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:17 pm
Sad but true... Once again the well oiled U.S. government propaganda machine has taken its toll --- Just as it convinced the American sheeple that the war in Iraq was legitimate as it had stockpiles of (non-existent) Weapons of Mass Destruction. (Just like the USA?) --- It has managed to convince Americans that they have no right to know the crimes their government has committed , in their name.

Wake up America! --- Snowden risked everything he had to let you and the world know how corrupt and independent from you, your government is. He is a hero, not a criminal.

The criminals are the ones who would prosecute him for revealing their crimes.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:29 pm
Repeating petition here once again End the NSA's Dragnet Surveillance Program!
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:36 pm
PCJF ( Partnership for Civil Justice Fund) statement on Oversight Board report
NSA Programs Have No Constitutional Leg to Stand On

The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board's (PCLOB) report, calling for an end to bulk surveillance collection, confirms that the Pentagon's NSA mass surveillance program, and President Obama's fundamental endorsement of it, does not have a constitutional leg to stand on.

Moreover, the PCLOB's fully informed and detailed analysis has found that this dragnet spying program has not thwarted any terrorist attack nor contributed meaningfully to any terrorist investigation showing further that the program is not only unconstitutional but ineffective.

The NSA has hidden behind a screen of generalized threats, claiming that without the program the people of the United States will be put at risk, while simultaneously refusing to release the most fundamental programmatic information and legal analysis to the public in order to keep these claims from being tested.

As the PCLOB has access to this information, we can now see that the NSA uses the claims of national security as a pretext to implement and maintain a massive Surveillance State that they had hoped to keep unchecked and unchallenged. Edward Snowden's courageous revelations have opened the door to allow debate and evaluation for the first time, and it is clear that the NSA's claims and representations can't withstand the light of day.

The PCLOB rightly recognizes that the very existence of these programs, which track people's political and religious associations, ‘can have a chilling effect on the exercise of First Amendment rights.' We know from history, from J. Edgar Hoover, from COINTELPRO and other abuses, that such massive domestic spying programs are not merely passive intrusions on civil rights but inevitably are actively used as tools of social and political control. They are not neutral or benign, but lay the foundation for a government that knows everything and, consequently, can control even lawful political action and dissent. These domestic surveillance authorities are inconsistent with a constitutional democracy, no matter how many times the government invokes the threat of foreign or terrorist attack.

The bulk data collection and warehousing on all law-abiding persons in the United States is an affront to the Constitution. The Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, an independent bipartisan executive agency established through the 9/11 Commission Act, recognizes that there is only one solution: eradication of such programs. Now is the time that we must all take action.

The conclusion and detailed analysis of the PCLOB lay bare the reality of how empty and misdirected are the 'reforms' offered by President Obama. Those are not real reforms. They are window dressing, intended to placate the rising tide of public opposition to this startling and covert spying program that captures for the government a record of with whom we communicate, our locations, our associations and transactions and, ultimately, creates the most detailed and intimate portrait of our lives, actions and associations as is technically possible. President Obama’s ‘reforms’ are intended to create an appearance of constitutionality but, as the PCLOB recognizes, the only solution is to end the programs.

Once again for all who have not yet signed on:
Please support the 'Thank You Ed Snowden' bus ads: Send a message that we oppose the Surveillance State and recognize that this debate would not even be happening were it not for his courageous revelations.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:39 pm
Pay close attention to what you will be hearing next week from the president as he delivers his State of the Union address: listen to all, believe nothing, "use your best judgement" -as is the care2 motto!
 

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:44 pm
LOVE HIM
 

MarietteAWAY G (175)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 3:11 pm
Thanks for posting Angie - can't sign the petition - US only.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 6:24 pm
Snowden: "At least the American public has a seat at the table now It may sound trite," but if I end up disgraced in a ditch somewhere, but it helps the country, it will still be worth it."
 

David B (38)
Thursday January 23, 2014, 6:55 pm
It may sound trite, but if he ends up in a ditch somewhere... The 'spooks' killed him to shut him and like-minded Americans up?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday January 24, 2014, 8:35 am
Not trite David and that is very real and I understand term you used. No Snowden would not have a chance to a fair anything over here in the USA. People are living in the "great illusion" and although more are waking up to the rude awakening too many still are not.....in denial that "these things can't happen here" or "it's for our own good."

Ask Mickey up above how he'll feel when they start going through his dressers draws, closet, and kitchen items, with his "nothing to hide".

 

Roseann d (178)
Friday January 24, 2014, 8:39 am
If anyone KNOWS he wouldn't get a fair trial, it is Snowden, of course.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday January 24, 2014, 9:01 am
My apology's to Mickey, it should be "she" and let us not forget your mail. That people would be all up in arms if someone was opening every piece of mail before they received it and going through their closets, yet seem to think it's fine this same thing being done to their emails and phone calls......in PARTICULAR as they don't have a thing to hide. It has been proven, that when too much information is gathered that the real important information is lost in it. Our ancestors could do it better, when they really had to work and put the real intelligence together and not knock on every single American's door for it.
 

Randi Levin (12)
Friday January 24, 2014, 10:18 am
TO prosecute this man for informing the public of governmental mistakes and abusers of power is wrong in so many ways.

Do I hope one day for his sake that he does come home, yet to prosecute him for being Honest is wrong in so many ways---the ones who are and were wrong was a US government who approved of spying on Us!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:14 am
Nice comments so far and I hope to get many more!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:15 am
Don't overlook that PETITION in top comment and sign-unless you've already done so on Carole's post where she also had it out. (US ONLY)
 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:21 am
Intelligence Officials Make Direct Threats on Snowden's Life

NSA whistleblower Kirk Wiebe & former CIA analyst Ray McGovern point to the brashness of intelligence officials who went on the record to threaten Snowden's life, reflecting a culture of disregard for the Constitution and due process - January 24, 2014

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11378

ty, Angelka.
.
 

Bonnie Tar (0)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:22 am
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Jason R (67)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:27 am
The shadow government is in full control.

Reported spam...
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:32 am
Jason-PLEASE don't use "Spam" for this type of SCAM, thx!
 

Deb E (63)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:32 am
This is the same tactic the military used in Iraq. They knocked down doors of homes and took people without any kind of proof that the people had done anything wrong. Our words here are probably being collected somewhere. No, I am not doing anything wrong and that is exactly why my government should NOT be able to see what I am doing or listen in to my phone conversations. but I know that everything on the internet is fair game. Everything. Snowden did what he felt he had to do for the American people. He is FOR the American people. To turn our backs on him, and Manning, is wrong. I hope people will not forget about what they did and never stop fighting for both of them. Thanks Angelika
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:33 am
and Please EVRYONE HELP FLAG THAT SCAMMER !
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:37 am
The Brave New World of Cyberheists, Seattle Weekly The Seedy Underbelly of Cyberspace, the Dark Web - technobuffalo

PLEASE READ if you've not yet seen that. THESEARE DANGEROUS SCAMS, NOT just simple Spammers!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:39 am
JIM, yes, what a damn shame. and even dem Sen. Feinstein joined in that tune in an effort to manipulate public opinion on Snowden! Thanks Faux" News" and repuke wannabe killers!
 

Jason R (67)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:41 am
"Jason-PLEASE don't use "Spam" for this type of SCAM, thx!"

Please explain.
 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:50 am
Petition in Angelika's box above at Thursday January 23, 2014, 2:29 pm signed.

.
 

Jason R (67)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:51 am
Maybe my Big Picture views confuse some people. Sorry. Did you hear this?

http://www.care2.com/news/member/113088365/3706068

Maybe Snowden CAN come home!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:59 am
Jason, thx will check out-and you read the links I gave-tells ou all about this cybercrime that has inveaded Care 2. I expected them to hit all my frontoage news on the weekend, as usual!
 

David B (38)
Friday January 24, 2014, 12:29 pm
Extract from the New Yorker. January 23:

A VINDICATED SNOWDEN SAYS HE’D LIKE TO COME HOME

The news headline from Thursday’s live chat with Edward Snowden, on the Free Snowden Web site, was that he wants to come home—but he wants the laws changed first, presumably so he doesn’t have to go to prison. Asked by Jake Tapper, of CNN, about the conditions under which he would return to the United States, Snowden said,

Returning to the US, I think, is the best resolution for the government, the public, and myself, but it’s unfortunately not possible in the face of current whistle-blower-protection laws, which through a failure in law did not cover national security contractors like myself.

The hundred-year old law under which I’ve been charged, which was never intended to be used against people working in the public interest, and forbids a public interest defense. This is especially frustrating, because it means there’s no chance to have a fair trial, and no way I can come home and make my case to a jury.

The really big news of the day, though, was that Snowden has been vindicated. Whether by coincidence or not, the live chat occurred shortly after it emerged that a federally chartered privacy watchdog had declared illegal one of the big N.S.A. domestic-spying programs that Snowden revealed—the Prism program, in which the agency routinely sweeps up hundreds of millions of telephone records. In a long report, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, which Congress beefed up in 2007, said that the bulk collection of telephone metadata violated the statute that the Obama Administration has cited to justify it, Section 215 of the Patriot Act, and called for the program to be halted.

The online conversation, in which Snowden typed answers to questions posed by reporters and others, covered a number of areas. Throughout it, the former contractor, who is living in Russia, referred to the new report to back up his points. Asked about President Obama’s speech last week, in which he claimed that the N.S.A. hadn’t abused the mass-surveillance programs, Snowden pointed to the watchdog’s finding that there was no evidence that collecting phone records indiscriminately had identified or prevented a single terrorist plot. Snowden said,

CONTINUED...

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2014/01/edward-snowden-live-chat-return-to-united-states.html?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailyemail&mbid=nl_daily(103)_regular&mbid=nl_Daily%20(103)
 

David B (38)
Friday January 24, 2014, 12:31 pm
Extract from the New Yorker. January 23:

A VINDICATED SNOWDEN SAYS HE’D LIKE TO COME HOME

The news headline from Thursday’s live chat with Edward Snowden, on the Free Snowden Web site, was that he wants to come home—but he wants the laws changed first, presumably so he doesn’t have to go to prison. Asked by Jake Tapper, of CNN, about the conditions under which he would return to the United States, Snowden said,

Returning to the US, I think, is the best resolution for the government, the public, and myself, but it’s unfortunately not possible in the face of current whistle-blower-protection laws, which through a failure in law did not cover national security contractors like myself.

The hundred-year old law under which I’ve been charged, which was never intended to be used against people working in the public interest, and forbids a public interest defense. This is especially frustrating, because it means there’s no chance to have a fair trial, and no way I can come home and make my case to a jury.

The really big news of the day, though, was that Snowden has been vindicated. Whether by coincidence or not, the live chat occurred shortly after it emerged that a federally chartered privacy watchdog had declared illegal one of the big N.S.A. domestic-spying programs that Snowden revealed—the Prism program, in which the agency routinely sweeps up hundreds of millions of telephone records. In a long report, the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, which Congress beefed up in 2007, said that the bulk collection of telephone metadata violated the statute that the Obama Administration has cited to justify it, Section 215 of the Patriot Act, and called for the program to be halted.

The online conversation, in which Snowden typed answers to questions posed by reporters and others, covered a number of areas. Throughout it, the former contractor, who is living in Russia, referred to the new report to back up his points. Asked about President Obama’s speech last week, in which he claimed that the N.S.A. hadn’t abused the mass-surveillance programs, Snowden pointed to the watchdog’s finding that there was no evidence that collecting phone records indiscriminately had identified or prevented a single terrorist plot. Snowden said,

CONTINUED...

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2014/01/edward-snowden-live-chat-return-to-united-states.html?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailyemail&mbid=nl_daily(103)_regular&mbid=nl_Daily%20(103)
 

David B (38)
Friday January 24, 2014, 12:36 pm
Sorry about that!... I noticed that there is ' _rE' at the end of the above NY URL... It does not appear on the original.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 12:38 pm
David-give it time to submit without double sending. Try click submit WITHOUT A MESSAGE RIGHT AFTER; THAT OFTEN WORKS:
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 12:41 pm
THE: HACKERS ARE ALSO AT WORK AGAIN-no wonder, -WEEKEND! Here's for that :
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Bonnie Tar (0)
Friday January 24, 2014, 11:22 am
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An off-shore Computer is programmed to flood multiple ads simultaneously or within a few minutes {check it out} to C2 Open Threads.
If you even CLICK ON THAT LINK, your COMPUTER MAY BE COMPROMISED.
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The huge amounts of Stolen Money amassed by these Cyber-Thieves, may be used to FUND CIVIL WARS AND WILDLIFE POACHING.
Please WARN other C2 members and pass this around.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 12:46 pm
I copied that "watchdog"'s finding in the top comment David! Thx for adding here the piece from the New Yorker, read it yesterday too.
 

David B (38)
Friday January 24, 2014, 1:00 pm
Thanks Angelika, but the second submission was not an accident. I removed the suffix and posted again, to no avail, the suffix re-appeared. A glitch in Care2 software?

I have now posted the article on Care2, so if anyone is interested go here, read and maybe drop a comment?

http://www.care2.com/news/member/768353846/3706109
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Friday January 24, 2014, 1:36 pm
A couple of state reps in Washington have come up with a creative idea:
http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=9103
Pretty cool, I think. You don't have to live in Washington to sign.
BTW Phisher flagged.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 2:17 pm
JOANNE thx a BUNCH! how did THAT pass me by? hmm, now IF THAT'S NOT COOL WHAT IS ??

Help shut off NSA's electricity
Let the bill's sponsors know they have supporters all over the country and beyond:
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday January 24, 2014, 2:20 pm
Gladly signed Joanne, lol.....love the idea. I got other petition earlier.
 

Judith Hand (55)
Friday January 24, 2014, 3:23 pm
Noted and shared. I feel for the young man. There is so much flux in the U.S., it's likely not safe for his return, and that's a real shame! Snowden did, however, make his choice. And we all are responsible for living by our choices. I can't imagine going from America to Russia and I can't imagine what'll happen next. Perhaps after we find out what happens with the Olympics there; that alone is a scary proposition in my book.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday January 24, 2014, 3:28 pm
Pretty sad isn't it, when Russia is one of our citizens safe haven.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 4:02 pm
Well sad and laughable at the same time-certainly pretty new and unusual! His time starts running short, that's the worrying part!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 24, 2014, 4:03 pm
Please catch the PETITION few comments above!
 
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