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Barbarians In Oklahoma

Society & Culture  (tags: Oklahoma, death penalty, botched, barbarism, Clayton Lockett, execution, execution drugs )

- 1847 days ago -
I am saying this quite deliberately. The state of Oklahoma committed an act of fu... barbarism last night. It did so under the color of law, which makes every citizen of that benighted state complicit in the act of fu... barbarism.


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Angelika R (143)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 1:51 pm
White House says botched Oklahoma execution fell short of humane standard
(just one of many reports on this catastrophic and shameful incident that makes the news around the world today

Clare M (80)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 2:02 pm
If they are going to execute via lethal injection then why not do it the same way as with a pet?

Roger Skinner (14)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 2:53 pm
I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, it has been shown that too many people have been sentenced to death where it was later proved they did NOT do the crime, sometimes too late. That should NEVER happen, which is a good argument for never executing anyone. On the other hand, there are some cases where there is NO doubt that the person did the crime. Take this Clayton Lockett case. He was convicted of (and admitted to) shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Nieman with a sawed-off shotgun and watched as two accomplices buried her alive (and laughed about it) in 1999. He was already a four-time convicted felon and was prepared to kill others to cover up his crime. Considering what he did to his victim, why shouldn't he feel some pain in dying? And, considering that he "was declared unconscious 10 minutes" after getting the first injection, did he really feel any pain? I doubt he felt near as much pain and emotional distress as his victim did.Somehow, that seems appropriate.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 3:10 pm
Roger, I'm sorry but I find it strange that you think it's ok if govt. or state lower themselves to the same level of crime and I hope you'll acknowledge that your first argument outweighs the other.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 3:22 pm
PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION Demand that Oklahoma Halt All Executions

Jennifer Ward (40)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 4:14 pm
There is no doubt this monster raped and buried alive a 14 year old girl. Perhaps it was karma. Let us not be too sentimental about evil people who will always be a danger to innocent people. The next one that was due to die raped a baby to death. How on earth can these criminals be 'rehabilitated? That this guy died in agony like the young girl he murdered is of no concern to me and many others, who have had a enough of the namby-pamby attitude towards pitiless thugs whose viciousness and disregard for others appears to be escalating.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday April 30, 2014, 5:30 pm
"Today Governor Fallin called for an 'independent review' of the botched execution of my client, Clayton Lockett, but she did not assign this duty to a neutral, third party with independent interests. Instead, she has charged the Commissioner of the Department of Public Safety with the job. The DPS is a state agency, and its Commissioner reports to the Governor. As such, the review proposed by Governor Fallin would not be conducted by a neutral, independent entity. In order to understand exactly what went wrong in last night’s horrific execution, and restore any confidence in the execution process, the death of Clayton Lockett must be investigated by a truly independent organization, not a state employee or agency."

-Dean Sanderford, Attorney for Clayton Lockett, April 30, 2014

Join NCADP in demanding that Oklahoma halt all executions until an independent third party can carry out an investigation with full transparency. The death penalty is clearly untenable and cannot continue. The state of Oklahoma shrouded the entire execution process in secrecy and undermined public confidence in our criminal justice system and our democracy by threatening to impeach the Oklahoma Supreme Court Justices who voted to stay the executions.  
The government of Oklahoma sacrificed transparency and public accountability in favor of expediency – and the consequences were grotesque and preventable.  The National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, The Oklahoma Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty, and our allies will not be silent. Click here to sign on today.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday May 1, 2014, 9:41 am
I certainly signed the petition and I'd rather stop the death penalty than let one innocent be killed. Once dead this can never be turned around.

Although I understand that those who commit horrific deeds garner little empathy nor do I seek any for those who do the most torturous crimes; however doing away with the death penalty is more for us as a society and our humanity; not for sparing them. I do not want to lower my standards, my humanity, dirty my spirit by having done in my name by the State or anyone else what the criminal did to another.

I get no satisfaction, no honor, no thrill when someone, though as vile as they may be, are put to death. I certainly am appalled that the State or my Country that represents me, chooses to do something that is inhumane to another, no matter how vile or despicable that person may have been. There is no plus or any positive in it for me to have another human tortured or killed. Keep them locked up and away from society if they can't live within it, I'm fine with that for those who commit such horrible deeds.

Another thing we must also search ourselves on, is how much does our Country, our State, our Society lead people to murder or prevents such horrible actions and various murders? Are we seeing to it that families under a lot of turmoil, stress and pressures get help? Do we offer educational programs on how to bring up their awareness, lower their stress levels, how to parent?

Did the murderer as a child get the needed care to grow up without developing into a sick and twisted mind? Do we make sure everyone is receiving mental health care that requires it? Are we trying to tamper down the violence in our Society or do we bolster it with what we show on TV, endless wars, pushing guns into every hand, and violent games? What do we show in our values? Are contact sports more important than intellectual achievement? Is greed at all cost more important than humanity? How are we teaching the next generation?What are we placing out into the Universe? We need to all look at ourselves as a Society and see where we all fit in to this equation. Is very easy to just throw people out as the scapegoats to our societies lacking in a lot of areas. Wasn't it something along the lines of "he who without sin cast the first stone."

The Courts had wanted a stay to investigate into this "experimental" drug cocktail and this Gov. just forged on ahead as is becoming the "thing" to do with some people today. So this is what happens. I find no satisfaction in someone's death nor in particular if it was torturous. If I do, I think it places me on level with what they did, it is approving that this is okay to do to another human being. There should be no exceptions for when there is it becomes a slippery slope.

fly bird (26)
Thursday May 1, 2014, 6:22 pm

fly bird (26)
Thursday May 1, 2014, 6:23 pm
But when silence or tricks of language contribute to maintaining an abuse that must be reformed or a suffering that can be relieved, then there is no other solution but to speak out and show the obscenity hidden under the verbal cloak.
--Albert Camus, Reflections On The Guillotine

. (0)
Thursday May 1, 2014, 9:44 pm
I have absolutely not one shred of sympathy for this worthless piece of crap who was executed. God forgive me, but I hope he suffered.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday May 2, 2014, 4:40 am
It always amazes me the people who bring God into their statement, then turn around and say I hope he suffered.

What part of "thou shall not kill" do you not understand? How about the rest of the teachings?

I've met more people with a higher understanding of the Spirit that claim no religion or believe in no God then the many who push God as their guidepost. Unbelievable.

Janis K (129)
Friday May 2, 2014, 12:39 pm
Thanks for sharing. Signed and noted

Jamie Clemons (282)
Friday May 2, 2014, 1:21 pm
Lockett's victim had a name Stephanie Neiman.

Stephanie’s friend was raped She was bound her with duct tape, they forced her to her knees and made her watch one gunman dig a grave. When one man shot her, his gun jammed, while Stephanie screamed. The man cleared his weapon and shot her again. Even though she was still breathing, the man ordered his accomplices to bury her, which they did. It took her 45min to die ask her about inhumane death.

It’s not clear whether it took 43 minutes more for her to die, and we can’t ask her now if she suffered

Avril Lomas (0)
Friday May 2, 2014, 1:50 pm
Civilized Western European countries DO NOT have the death penalty!
Yet again the USA proves that it is the least civilized country in the world.
Chances re. executing the innocent, are unexceptable. ( especially when one takes into account,the outrageous Racism that still poisons the USA.)

Syd H (0)
Friday May 2, 2014, 2:20 pm
For pities sake you people, WAKE UP to real life and stop crying and wringing you hands in pity for a vicious killer. I feel physically sick when I read some of your comments.
The criminal piece of crap called Clayton Lockett MURDERED an innocent young woman Stephanie Nieman. He shot her and had her buried while she was still alive. He had NO consideration for the pure terror and pain she must have been suffering nor did he give a damn about the suffering and mental anguish that Stephanie's parents, family and friends would suffer FOR THE REST of their lives.
Personally I would have preferred it if his execution had taken ten or twenty times as long as it did, and been far more painful, so that he would have felt a small sample of the pain and terror that Stephanie must have felt.

Syd H (0)
Friday May 2, 2014, 2:27 pm
Postscript to my previous comment:
We must all remember that CRIMINALS, whether they be petty thieves or mass murderers have a choice, but their victims have no choice. Our sympathy must always be with the victim and never with the perpetrator of the crime.

Nelson Baker (0)
Friday May 2, 2014, 2:35 pm
I have no sympathy for people who murder. If he suffered it is what he deserved. Consider the suffering he caused. I believe all murders should be executed.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday May 2, 2014, 2:36 pm
No one is negating the horrible crimes that some people inflict upon others. No one should do to another what the Stephanie Neiman had done to her. However the killing of other human beings does not bring her back, the killing of other human beings has never been a deterrent. So it comes once more back to ourselves and what we want on our hands. Do we lower ourselves and kill another or have the State do that, if we do kill them and allow them to suffer does that somehow make us better than the one who murdered Stephanie or any other who has died? Do I feel cleaner if I distance myself from the fact I'm not injecting them with the solutions or pulling the switch to the electric chair?

Perhaps others can distance themselves from that, I can't. I do not in any way want the death of someone else done in my name, no matter how vile they may of been, be it done by the State or the Country doing that. By killing them it brings my life to a lower level and does nothing to return the original victim back to their life by having done so. Keeping society safe from those who murdered is certainly a must, compensation to family in whatever way is possible to be given, burial expenses, medical help to deal with the loss, set up a foundation in Stephanie's name.

No one demeans the crime by sparing the State killing; it just allows the rest of society to not sink into an eye for eye which makes everyone blind. If you don't understand that some of us are terribly troubled by State sponsored death, then I don't know how else to explain it. And yes, I've had a horrific crime happened in my life so it isn't like I haven't experienced that.

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Friday May 2, 2014, 3:30 pm
I signed, God gave every being life & only he can take it back, all others are murders, we are no better if we take a life regardless of how it is done!

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday May 2, 2014, 4:47 pm
Noted. Petition signed. Many thanks for posting, Angelika.

Gary L (138)
Friday May 2, 2014, 7:18 pm
I thought we we're better than that so we become just like those we condemn sickening

Gary L (138)
Friday May 2, 2014, 7:18 pm
I also signed the petition I don't want state sponsored murder in my name

Charlene Rush (79)
Friday May 2, 2014, 9:10 pm
I had no idea, just how barbaric Oklahoma was, until this incident. I can't say that I considered this state as an ideal location in which to live, but the degree of lunacy, I did not expect.
While I don't sympathize with the convicts, I believe life in prison without the possibility of parole is much more acceptable. Otherwise, the death penalty makes barbarians of us.

What many people refuse to comprehend is, it costs the tax payers more to execute a prisoner than to keep him/her in jail until their dying days.
Far too many innocent people in the past, have been put to death, while many guilty people have been set free. This usually has to do with the accused degree of wealth.

AND, when that prisoner dies a natural death, remember the words of Clarence Darrow:
'I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure'.

. (0)
Friday May 2, 2014, 9:55 pm
If you are not capable of understanding a simple statement Dandelion, I guess there is probably no use trying to explain it.

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday May 3, 2014, 8:38 am
I CLEARLY understood you asked for God's forgiveness; may that be done and send you the teachings you need.

Gary L (138)
Saturday May 3, 2014, 1:15 pm
Gee I understood what you meant dandelion it was quite simple BTW the quote from the bible actually reads an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth vengeance is mine sayth he lord anyone who does not understand that it means that's god's job not ours

Mike m (9)
Saturday May 3, 2014, 2:40 pm
Dandelion said it better than I could. If you're known by the company you keep, it's interesting to note that the US is right there with Iran, China, and North Korea on the death penalty.

Süheyla C (234)
Saturday May 3, 2014, 2:52 pm

Angelika R (143)
Saturday May 3, 2014, 3:11 pm
Thx Mike M, that is an excellent observation.

Angelika R (143)
Monday May 5, 2014, 10:10 am
Tell the American Pharmacists Association: Stop enabling inhumane executions.

Angelika R (143)
Monday May 5, 2014, 10:12 am
Repeating: Demand that Oklahoma Halt All Executions

Sheryl G (359)
Monday May 5, 2014, 12:30 pm
New petition signed.
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