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IN BETWEEN WARS - An Immersive Journey Into Palestinian Daily Life


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Angelika
- 1277 days ago - inbetweenwars.msf.fr
Please have a look and take this virtual tour. The installation is a powerful work by MSF/Doctors without borders and expresses the refusal to trivialize the unacceptable.



   

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Sue H (7)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 9:30 am
Prayers Up for Peace.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 9:35 am
Thanks to Evelyn who passed along a link to an exhibition where this was also included there. And miraculously, after months I managed to submit a post to C2NN-wow.
Be sure to take the tour, select EN(glish) if the FRench version opens up at first, then click bottom right on Introduction and follow through.
Be sure to have speakers on!
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 9:42 am
It was quite haunting to me to have an almost live experience again when passing through that Erez check point, even if only virtual..and the body scanner.
All so familiar from way back here in Berlin trying to cross over into East Berlin. All very similar.

This certtainly serves to get a much better understanding just what the Palestinians are going through, have been, for so long. Few people are probably actually realizing the full horror which cannot fully be transmitted by only press articles.
 

fly b (26)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 9:48 am
OUTSTANDING PROJECT - Take the tour! The graphics are clear and informative.

Thanks for posting it, Angelika. *************
Thanks for passing on the news about this exhibition, Evelyn. ************
 

fly b (26)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 9:49 am
End the occupation! End the siege of Gaza!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 11:17 am
Haunting, powerful -
How can people remain sane under such conditions?

Thanks, Angie
 

Abo r (107)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 1:52 pm
Thank you Angie , and jess for the forward.
The will be for the freedom and justice which is led by love not hate
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 2:37 pm
Horrific! The tour of what Palestinians go through every day in their lives is unimaginable! I feel for them all! Damn Israhell! Thanks Angie for sharing this terrible abuse of these people.
 

Animae C (509)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 3:07 pm
Noted
Thanx Angie
 

fly b (26)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 3:14 pm
Violence and Resistance in Palestine.

"The obscene level of investment in the infrastructure of repression in the occupied territories along with the most aggressive settlement policies since the 67 war clearly demonstrates that the Israeli state has no interest in a negotiated settlement with Palestinians.

Indeed the “facts on the ground” all point toward policies of permanent control of Palestinian life and land."

http://www.care2.com/news/member/101161981/3823955
http://www.care2.com/news/member/101161981/3823955
 

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday December 16, 2015, 3:33 pm
Thanks Jess
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday December 17, 2015, 5:03 am
Thanks Angelika for posting this piece. I shall add it onto my next Dandelion Seeds. I haven't take the full tour of it yet, but I will. The maps at the very beginning remind me of what has happened to the Native Nations that are within the borders of the now USA.

I see many similarities between a people's invasion onto other lands of people already living there.......then through some sort of "Divine Right" or as with the USA, the Manifest Destiny, that one group of people claim......seems to give them the rights to do whatever they please so long as land shifts to the invading group and they get to do things "their" way and to hell with what anyone else thinks. I see Daesh doing the same thing.

The maps show how over the years land has been taken away bit by bit under some justification. It is the same playbook, if one were too place any one of the Native American Nations next to those maps you'd see the same thing taking place. Year after year the land the Indian people lived upon growing smaller and smaller. Each time more land removed from the Indian people was "justified" in the minds of the so called "Chosen Ones"........even if the "chosen ones" had to create conditions and an uproar then pin the blame on the Indians.

Native Americans have been resisting for 500 years in North America and still Dominant Culture for the most part doesn't have a CLUE to what is going on.......so all that the good people of the Earth can do is keep putting the spotlight upon it......be it the Palestinians, the American Indians or First Nations of Canada, or the various Rainforest tribes that are being wiped off the face of the Earth. Even Angelika knows what a wall does to a people.

When we don't stand up to the social injustice played out upon one group of people it is only a matter of time before it comes knocking at our own doors. The Dominant Culture is now getting a taste of what the American Indians have gone through, when their waters were poisoned like what is happening in Gaza, when craps were destroyed, what is mentioned in this interactive slide, they sprayed the Olive trees with some foul substance, and with Fracking by the Corporate, many people who thought they had a nice home and farmland are finding their water is undrinkable and the fumes are making them sick.

And now we are having our own wall being built along the southern border and there is serious talk to be building a wall on our northern border. Keep the people all separated and easier to control. In time these Corporate entities will rule over the Nation States and they will further wall people in. Over in Europe there is more talk of walls going up to keep people from entering and such. As I've told people you keep people out but walls also keep other people in.

Some of the first people to offer support to Ferguson was the Palestinian people......they couldn't leave to stand beside the people, but they offered emotional support, they offered tips on how to not have the gas bother you as badly, they offered their love. Palestinians KNOW, American Indians KNOW, even when the Nations people that have hurt them either directly or indirectly, they still reach out to their brothers and the sisters to say.........there is a BIGGER picture here. We ARE as ONE in this......you need to begin to see who is the REAL enemy in all of this.

Abo's comment is very similar to Native American John Trudell of whom just recently took his journey to the Star Nation.

“No matter what they ever do to us, we must always act for the love of our people and the earth. We must not react out of hatred against those who have no sense.”
― John Trudell
 

Teresa Fazackerley (393)
Friday December 18, 2015, 7:00 am
thank you
 

. (0)
Friday December 18, 2015, 12:08 pm
Terrible is live beset by war, hunger, thirst, the humiliation by the mere fact of being born.It is stigmatized in their own homes, streets, schools, hospitals. The way they dress, the way they believe, for as love their families. Genocide carried out to perfection, supported by the mass media, overriding any spirit and critical thinking citizens around the world. They are doing very well. Until the day that everything stops. TY Angelika
 

Gillian M (11)
Friday December 18, 2015, 12:13 pm
What a selection of lies and half-truths to show an absolute load of inaccurate propaganda.

The sad thing is that you all know that these are lies but you behave as it is the truth.

Can I ask which chapter of the KKK you all belong to?
 

Janet B (0)
Friday December 18, 2015, 12:31 pm
Thanks
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 18, 2015, 1:01 pm
Thanks a lot Angelika for this link - shared it widely. And thanks Dandelion for your great comment above. I often wonder why America has no qualms in whole-heartedly supporting Israel - maybe because both countries have been created on the same criminal basis? One murderer and thief doesn't condemn the other murderer and thief ...

Only people blinded by hate and relentless propaganda refuse to see the truth - nothing new there either.


 

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday December 18, 2015, 2:49 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting, Angelika.
Heartbreaking. Just horrible what human beings do to other human beings in the name of greed and fear. Human beings oppressing other human beings is such an ugly act. Looks like Israel wants an Empire and will step on those who are in its way with all its' force. I definitely agree with Dandelion's above comment, too.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday December 18, 2015, 3:20 pm
Dandelion's comment - merits *****************************************************

"Only people blinded by hate and relentless propaganda refuse to see the truth - nothing new there either. " - So true, Eleonora ... **********************************

Sadly, the closed-minded denial approach is one of the major barriers to realistic peace processes. And it is the "hasbara" supported approach.

Current attacks on Breaking the Silence have their roots in the same "denial" mentality (and - tragically - many of those insisting on denial KNOW that the denial is based on false propaganda)
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday December 18, 2015, 8:11 pm
Penny: Can I ask which chapter of the KKK you all belong to?

“No matter what they ever do to us, we must always act for the love of our people and the earth. We must not react out of hatred against those who have no sense.”
― John Trudell
 

Rose Becke (141)
Friday December 18, 2015, 8:22 pm
Love your comment to Penny C Dandelion star on it's way
 

. (0)
Friday December 18, 2015, 8:37 pm
Dandelion, you're asking a question to someone who knows a lot about everything according to her own parameters. She knows who we are, where we come from, what we propose, what we want, as we grew, we grew up, live, but above all things, as we think. I think we are facing a prophet that we have not discovered yet and we should praise and surrender to Her infinite wisdom. Do not expect answers, please, she responds with her words on each comment that she shows. PEACE&LOVE to all people of goodwill.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 18, 2015, 10:38 pm

Pablo - you deserve a galaxy of stars ******************************************. Your comment made me laugh early in the morning - I needed this!

How come I never thought of this?? "I think we are facing a prophet that we have not discovered yet and we should praise and surrender to Her infinite wisdom." - LOL!

You have a great day y que tengas suerte!!
 

Arild Warud (174)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 5:47 am
Thanks for posting this Angelika,my hope is that enough people see this and that the world community stands up to the Zionist policy.The last thing left is always hope that one day this will change and the Palestinians will get the PEACE that they long for.
 

Sayenne H (92)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 7:49 am
Noted
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 9:34 am
Absolutely Penny, the Jew-hating lie adoring crowd is in full swing on this thread.

Can any of you Jew-haters tell me why Breaking the Silence is not funding the following IDF soldier's voice? Apologies if the answer is too obviously that he's telling the inconvenient truth without being funded .. The inconvenient truth which all of you Jew-haters know ..

גם אני שובר שתיקה.
English translation below

פאתי רמאללה, אפריל 2002.
במסגרת מבצע חומת מגן, באחת מעשרות הפעילויות השתלטנו על בית של מחבל, עצרנו אותו ופינינו את בני המשפחה לקומה התחתונה.
בשיקול מבצעי החלטנו להשתלט על הקומה העליונה כדי לשלוט על תא השטח שהיה נגוע בטרור. אחרי יומיים ששהינו שם הגיעה פקודה לעבור הלאה.
קשה לתאר איך נראה בית אחרי שפלוגה שלמה שהתה שם יומיים. אך את מה שקרה שם באותו יום הרבה יותר קל לתאר.
התחלקנו לקבוצות, ניקינו וסידרנו את הקומה העליונה, החזרנו כל רהיט למקום, כאילו לא נכח שם חייל מעולם.
אך לא הסתפקנו בכך, אספנו כסף מכל אחד מחברי הפלוגה והשארנו על השידה סכום כסף נכבד מכיסינו, בכדי לפצות על עגמת הנפש.

אני מזכיר לכם שזהו ביתו של מחבל עם דם על הידיים.

לאף אחד מבין הלוחמים זה לא היה נראה חריג או שונה. זה מי שאנחנו. זהו צהל.

אך לצערי סיפורים כאלה לא תשמעו.
הם פשוט לא מגיעים לתקשורת ובטח לא לוועדות באו״ם.

הגיע הזמן לספר על צהל האמיתי ולומר זאת בקול גדול ובחזה נפוח. אין עוד צבא כזה בעולם.

תשברו את השתיקה שלכם. גם אם אין לכם מימון ממדינות זרות..

שבת שלום.

I too decided to break the silence:
Ramallah's outskirts, April 2002.
During operation "protective wall", in one of dozens operational activities in the area, we took over a terrorist's house, arrested the terrorist and evacuated his family to the ground floor.
Under operational considerations we decided to take over the top floor so we can control the area, which was plagued with terrorists activity. After 2 days of staying we have been ordered to leave the house and move somewhere else.
It is hard to describe how the house looked like after a full army unit stayed there for 2 days, but what happened afterwards is quite easy to explain.
We split into groups, cleaning and tiding the whole floor, moving all furniture back in place, like no soldiers ever stayed in there.
However, we didn't stop there - we collected money from every soldier in the unit and we left a generous amount to compensate the family for the inconvenience we caused them, even though it was a family of a terrorist with blood on his hands (who caused death to israeli civilians/ soldiers).
No soldier found this act of kindness weird or out of place. This is who we are, the IDF. But unfortunately, you will never hear of such stories.
They never reach the media and certainly not the U.N
It is time to tell the story of the real Israeli Defense Forces loud and with great pride - to me it's the best in the world none like it.
You, too, break your silence, even if you are not funded by foreign countries.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 9:36 am
Another question, is it Breaking the Silence who is funding this propaganda video willed with one-sided lies and half-truths too?
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 10:40 am
While I consider it basically an afront to c/p text here in Hebrew(without sourcing who did the translation), here's some info for the illiterate:

Information and copyrights

Médecins Sans Frontières / Doctors Without Borders (MSF) would like to thank firstly patients and MSF teams in Nablus and Gaza who agreed to bear witness and share what they are going through on a daily basis. Thanks to them - and as a tribute to them - In Between Wars was conceived, produced and developed by MSF with
HYBRID et Entrez Sans Frapper (graphic design)
Nicolas Moreau, Aude Baudassé, Le Bruit Court (sound design)
Philippe Rekacewicz, visionscarto.net
Carole Van Bellegem (lightening)
Etat d’urgence Productions, Institut National de l’Audiovisuel (video production)
Jean-Marc Auriol, Hippolyte Roy, Kevin Badiche, Laurent Legall (scenery and construction)
Prestimage (printing)

And the photos of: Valérie Babize/MSF, Aurélie Baumel/MSF, Philippe Conti, Loulou d’Aki/MSF, Catherine Daubrege/MSF, Richard Delaume, Suzanne Doettling/MSF, Arnaud Drouart/MSF, Mustafa Hassouna, Heidi Holzer/MSF, Chris Huby, Mélanie Kerloc’h/MSF, Yann Libessart/MSF, Benoit Marquet/MSF, Samantha Maurin/MSF, Alan Meier/Noor, Yotam Roten/ActiveStills, Muhannad Saleem/ActiveStills, Alexandre Sargos, Frédéric Sautereau, Bruno Stevens/VII, Anna Surinyach/MSF, Kadir Van Lohuizen/Noor.

MSF would like to thank Rony Brauman too, for his support, as well as Cathy Mounier, Philippe Mouras, Christine Chalas and La Maison des Métallos.

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is an international, independent, medical humanitarian organisation that delivers emergency aid to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural disasters and exclusion from healthcare. MSF offers assistance to people based on need, irrespective of race, religion, gender or political affiliation. MSF was founded in Paris, France in 1971. Its principles are described in the organisation's founding charter. It is a non-profit, self-governed organization. Its actions are guided by medical ethics and the principles of neutrality and impartiality.

All right there on site!
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 10:50 am
While Israelis and all supporters of the turned Apartheid state are usually busy and quick to point out bd brag about all the achievements on the medical field, and rightly so, one would hope they'd be able to equally embrace the work and achievements of such a world renowned and acknowledged organisation as MSF !
Apparently not all do, though.
 

Birgit W (160)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 11:02 am
Heartbreaking! Evelyn B. and Henriette M. say it all. Thank you very much for sharing Angelika.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 11:29 am

If those commenters would have bothered to follow your link they would have seen it for themselves - thank you, Angelika, for pointing out the most obvious.

For all I know these above text in Hebrew could have been written today at 8 am and quickly translated before posting it here; there's no link, no mention where this was published ... just nothing but a text ...

One could though easily educate oneself in reading

this article from Haaretz (2002) or

this one from The Guardian (2014)

or this one from WRMEA (also 2002)

These are just the result of a quick random check on google; there are plenty more and all tell a similar story. The truth is as always ... ugly! No Hasbara can erase it.

 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 12:18 pm
The IDF who has spoken, that I shared above is Erez Barkats, nobody is funding him nor his translation .. Just as he said above ..

Breaking the Silence only fund the handful of hate-filled IDF, or those who do so for the fee .. The majority of IDF that I spoke with, speaks and shares similar experiences to the one I shared above, but none of their experiences ever seem to make it in the media .. Hasbara seems to be the most ineffective thing imaginable for not getting these real experiences out ..

Breaking the Silence lies seem to have made it half way round the world before the truth even got its boots on .. Let alone getting the truth about the IDF out and exposing the Jew-hating lies ..
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 12:49 pm
Jew hating. . . Please provide evidence, Alexa and Penny, OF ANYTHING I've said ANYWHERE on CARE2 that demonstrates conclusively I am a Jew hater. . .
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 1:08 pm

LOL Darren! Don't hold your breath - I've been asking for just ONE proof ever since such and similar accusations have been hurled at me on Care2 from the above commenters as well as others ... nothing ... Zero ... Zilch. Nothing but slanderous accusations without providing any proof - so typical for people of this habitus!

Q.E.D.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 1:28 pm
Like always, the proof and truth is right in front of you .. You keep asking and I keep repeating myself: the truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose, it will defend itself.

Only a Jew-hater will ignore and discredit a genuine IDF voice like the one I shared above ..
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 2:42 pm
Yeah, Eleonara, we have "one-track ponies" on CARE2 who continually trot out the same biased agenda.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 4:07 pm
Dandelion & Pablo - *********************************************************************************

Great comments!
Also Eleonora & Darren ..
True, Eleonora - the only "proof" is that some of our posts cover angles that they don't agree with ... so MUST be Jew-hating (even if the stories are by Jews & Jewish Israelis who don't agree with the hasbara stories ....
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 4:46 pm
Alexa : Can any of you Jew-haters tell me

When people come on so rudely and without showing civility to the other C2 members I don't think that person has the right to ask for much of anything.

However, I, and others can ask of you an apology.....however, I will not hold my breath on it.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 4:55 pm
THIS THREAD /POST is NOT about Breaking the Silence, it is about this haunting installation done by MSF about the sad truth. Take the tour, comment if you wish , if not then please do not trash this serious post, don't derail it and above all, don't insult others with the usual baseless accusations. Just move on if you've nothing to contribute to the Palestinians' plight.
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday December 19, 2015, 9:20 pm
MSN are so heroic. I first learned about them when an MSN doctor lectured to our International Studies class in 1988. This is a very powerful piece that words can't do justice to, and that ignorant and hateful words cannot detract from. Thanks Angelika.
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 12:15 am
Dandelion, don't hold your breath. I will never stop speaking, sharing the truth, exposing lies and exposing Jew-hatred. If you consider speaking the truth as 'rude', I rest my case ..
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 12:30 am
When it comes to the crunch, "truth" is often strongly influenced by personal perspectives, and needs to be put into question, crosschecking etc. For some, questioning can be very painful - and strongly discouraged by others whose comfort zone is defined by not trying to understand other perspectives.

Often, those least able to verify the "truth" they believe they hold are those most likely to attack and insult any who put questions under their nose.

I don't understand why people who don't want to question choose to click on posts that are likely to raise questions they don't want to think about. They seldom follow through on the link to read or watch the actual story ....

In a society or community of free speech, such people have the right to believe that they hold "THE" truth ...
But those who have different perspectives on what is the "truth" also have the right to raise questions, to explore other records and reports ..... without being insulted and attacked personally.

None of us has sufficient vision to see the WHOLE truth.
All of us have the right to question, to think, to analyse, and to work on understanding as much of the truth as we can grasp.
 

Alexa R (319)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 4:25 am
Oh, Evelyn, p-lease spare me another little whine .. Can dish out the insults, but once more cannot take it I see ..

I apologise on behalf of this thread for all the insults you suffered on this intolerant thread Penny, for no other reason than simply daring to have a different view and to express it here ..

Vive la différence, Penny. Never let their insults or whining, their disrespect stop you from speaking the truth, your truth .. Be blessed Penny.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 10:21 am
Judy, well stated, thanks. And we know you meant to say MSF ;), watching too much MSN (BC)?

"your truth" -as for P., that fits!
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 10:39 am
Evelyn-as for "I don't understand why people who don't want to question choose to click on posts that are likely to raise questions they don't want to think about. They seldom follow through on the link to read or watch the actual story .... " I think you pretty much answer your own "question" there, which was not really one. If you don't understand(which I think you do, tho), I certainly do understand. It's fulfilling a duty, who or whatever commands it.
I like to think of it as some sort of a click farm, similar to, yet, of a different kind to this whole C2 plarform.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 3:01 pm

Alexa - I would very much appreciate it if you would STOP speaking in my name; I never authorized you to do so!

These statements by Penny:
"The sad thing is that you all know that these are lies but you behave as it is the truth."
and
"Can I ask which chapter of the KKK you all belong to? "

addressing all of the participants do NOT fall under Freedom of Expression and do NOT voice a different view but rather fall in the category of slander which is a punishable offense.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday December 20, 2015, 3:02 pm

Angelika - your last comment is spot on! A click farm of a special kind - LOL - don't we all know the conditions under which those poor creatures have to work?! One has to feel sorry for them ...
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday December 21, 2015, 12:52 am
Eleanora, p-lease spare me the whining .. Another one who dishes it out freely but cannot take it I see ..
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday December 21, 2015, 5:56 am
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." - Martin Luther King, Jr
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday December 21, 2015, 8:56 am
We see clearly Animal Farm type democracy at work here - "some are more equal than others" ....i.e different rules apply!

Dandelion - very true, ***********************************************************************
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday December 21, 2015, 10:14 am
Let them run to C2 support protesting my post and demanding to take it down. That would put them on the same level as those in France (CRIF- the powerful umbrella councel of 60 jewish organisations in France, similar to the AJC in the US) who repeatedly attacked that exposition, calling it "incitement for hate and justification of terrorism" and demanded of Paris mayor to prohibit the expo.
That's how much they fear the ugly truth being exposed and spread widely. Attacking freedom of expression won't silent the truthtellers!

For those who can read French> http://www.agencemediapalestine.fr/blog/2015/12/20/exposition-palestine-de-msf-a-la-maison-des-metallos-halte-aux-attaques-du-crif-contre-la-libre-expression/
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday December 21, 2015, 10:16 am
http://www.crif.org/fr/lecrifenaction/le-crif-choqu%C3%A9-par-une-exposition-organis%C3%A9e-%C3%A0-la-maison-des-m%C3%A9tallos-%C3%A0-paris/58417
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 11:52 am

Alexa - maybe you should once in a spare minute look up the meaning of the word "whining" you love to use so freely?! The ones constantly whining here are you and your friends - projection anybody - LOL??

I just don't like it when people of your habitus claim to speak in my name - that's all! Got it? Now go and enjoy your paycheck.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 11:59 am

Thanks for this info and link, Angelika! It is quite telling how Roger Cukierman, president of the CRIF, plays the "terrorism, jihadist, islamists card" - all in one sentence and not to forget the good ol' anti-Semitic card too. Can't be left out now, can it?? Also nice how he tries to construct the association to the events of Novembe 13 in Paris - he truly leaves out nothing. I'm surprised though that he doesn't invoke the Holocaust card; must have forgotten it in the haste.

"« Alors que Paris et la France pleurent encore les victimes du 13 novembre, le risque que pourrait entraîner ces tristes exemples de terrorisme est particulièrement dangereux alors que la France lutte contre le terrorisme djihadiste et la radicalisation islamiste », écrit le Président du CRIF à Médecin sans Frontières.

La « Maison des Métallos » étant un lieu culturel qui dépend directement de la municipalité, le Président du CRIF demande à Anne Hidalgo de « mettre un terme à cette exposition dont la nature ne peut qu'attiser la violence antisémite et augmenter la menace terroriste à Paris »."

Always amazing how the Zionists and their apologists are scared sh**less of the simple truth. Equally ... amazing ... is the fact how freely ... "Freedom of Expression" ... is trampled on when it serves polit-Israel's interests. Telling in a way, isn't it?!

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 12:04 pm

On a second thought ... could it be that here "... le risque que pourrait entraîner ces tristes exemples de terrorisme ..." he wanted to speak of the terrorism the State of Israel directs at the Palestinians ... and didn't know how to phrase it .... LOL??? Oh well, my French must be a bit rusty ;-)!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 12:07 pm

One would also need to ask the logical question why showing the daily treatment from which the Palestinians are suffering at the hands of the State of Israel "may increase anti-Semitic violence" as Cukierman claims in his protest letter ... Aren't we always told that Palestinians are treated equal to Israelis?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 12:26 pm

This is part of the same drive like the one by CRIF to silence the truth:

Free Speech for Students for Justice in Palestine: Anti-Apartheid isn’t Anti-Semitic!

By Jews for Palestinian Right of Return

“On campuses throughout the United States, university administrators are attempting to silence Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and other student organizations that courageously speak out against Israeli violations of Palestinian human rights.”

The crux of it all is expressed in this simple sentence: “Unable to defend the indefensible in free and open debate, supporters of Israel have resorted to smearing SJP as "anti-Semitic."

The very exact tactics used here on Care2 against those who dare to speak out against the continuous white-washing of the Israeli atrocities.

You may want to sign too?
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday December 21, 2015, 12:38 pm
Sharing a genuine IDF voice as I did above is simply telling the truth .. Exposing the lies in this film, is by no means of even the wildest imagination 'white-washing' ..

Not giving a variety of IDF voice, but ONLY giving those a voice who wishes to blacken the IDF is simply Jew-hatred .. NOT listening to both sides, is plainly and simply Jew-hatred ..

The Jew-hatred, continued Jew-hatred on this thread reeks to high heavens ..!!
 

fly b (26)
Monday December 21, 2015, 12:54 pm
Good comments. Thank you and stars ******************** to Evelyn, Eleonora, Angelika, Darren, Judy, Arild, Dandelion, Birgit and Rose, for her comment to Dandelion, which I, also, agree with - " Love your comment to Penny C Dandelion ......"

Abo says it all. Thank you, Abo! Greed, hate, prejudice and lies destroy.

Let peace begin. To life, for all!!
End the occupation of Palestine and siege of Gaza, NOW!!! Save the children of Palestine!!!
 

fly b (26)
Monday December 21, 2015, 1:21 pm
..and Pablo! ******
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday December 21, 2015, 1:37 pm
No ideawhat "film" or, earlier "video" the lddy is talking about...
Thanks Eleonora for adding that petition here, signed and shared earlier from email.
 

Arild Warud (174)
Monday December 21, 2015, 1:48 pm
Aleksa R,you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you in the face,please creep back to your Zionist hole and dream your pink happy dreams.
 

fly b (26)
Monday December 21, 2015, 1:51 pm
Thanks for the petition, Eleonora
Posted, here: Free Speech for Students for Justice in Palestine - Anti-Apartheid isn’t Anti-Semitic!
Jews for Palestinian Right of Return

http://www.care2.com/news/member/124335883/3940082
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday December 21, 2015, 2:33 pm
Angelika - "what 'film' or 'video'" you ask!!
Earlier, I said "They seldom follow through on the link to read or watch the actual story .... "
I rest my case!!!!!

"Sharing a genuine IDF voice ......... is simply telling the truth" - providing that voice doesn't criticise ...
I hear the voices of many genuine IDF voices - who speak out through Breaking the Silence ..... But of course, those voices are rejected ... because they describe situations in line with what this "virtual tour" shares ... Their "truth" is uncomfortable to those who want a white & black picture .....


 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday December 21, 2015, 3:01 pm
Et j'ai signé ....

Angie - you ask "what 'film'" (or 'video') ....
As I said earlier .... some people attack without actually following the link to the site!
I rest my case!

I certainly trust some IDF voices to tell the truth about their experiences ... Breaking the Silence has a large number of genuine IDF soldiers & ex-soldiers .....
But those genuine voices are not comfortable ones to listen to - especially if one wants a whitewashed picture of Israeli policies & strategies ... So there are major efforts to stifle & suppress them.
Curiously, however, their accounts are not "disproven", just suppressed
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 3:32 pm

Alexa – I give you the benefit of doubt and, hence, assume that you truly are ignorant when it comes to rebutting an argument or a point made (?).

A proper and clean counter argument consists as a starter of – among other things –

1) solid evidence to support your claim and/or view;
2) references/links to statements made by e.g. an IDF soldier (your case above) so one can read the original statement; or
3) at least declaring the source so one can do some research;
4) pointing out and/or countering (with supporting evidence) the “lies” you/Penny so freely accuse the documentary and us of;
5) provide evidence as to why what YOU are saying is the truth.

Etc., etc.

An all-out-attack – including ad hominem and slander - antagonizing everyone is NOT a counter argument. Crying foul and “Jew hatred” (and thus playing one more time the worn-out victim card) when you get the only possible answer(s) to your unqualified statements does NOT constitute a valid counter argument … it’s just whining and/or projecting!

You have NOT exposed one single lie – leave alones lies – in this documentary; rather you make some common-place statements accusing everyone of who-knows-what.

The documentary is NOT about giving various IDF soldiers an opportunity to be heard; it is a docu made by MSF and it is about the everyday life of the Palestinians suffering under the Israeli brutal military occupation.

As the “Jews for Palestinian Right of Return” so succinct state: ““Unable to defend the indefensible in free and open debate, supporters of Israel have resorted to smearing SJP as "anti-Semitic."” This shoe fits you, Penny and the likes perfectly – you do nothing but.

To accuse Jews (who don’t parrot your mantra of Jew-hatred) is … well … I leave it to everybody’s personal preference what one wants to call such callous statement.

Very much as I suggested to you to look up the word “whining” you may also want to check out what “Jew hating” means and how it is voiced?

As Arild said – you wouldn’t know the truth if it would hit you in the face nor would you know how to spell it if your life depended on it. All you can do is trying to discredit everyone who is not in line with the Zionist lies.

IF you truly are who (and what) you claim to be according to your profile page you would restore your dignity and credibility in naming the lies in the documentary we are discussing here and pointing them out one by one as well as put up the quotes in which we participants “indulge” in Jew hatred.

Your argument that NOT listening to both sides is Jew hatred roots in the fact that you have nothing of substance to offer; just lukewarm air.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 3:34 pm

Evelyn – for once I have to object to one of your statements:

“Their "truth" is uncomfortable to those who want a white & black picture .....”

It’s not “... to those who want a white & black picture ...” – the truth is uncomfortable to those who want to elevate the Zionist narrative to be the truth. We all should forget history as well as the proven facts on the ground.


 

Angelika R (143)
Monday December 21, 2015, 4:26 pm
I read you Evelyn and I wasn't asking,I know she didn't bother; that was just a sarcastic statement in her face.
Maybe we shouldn't be so hard on the lady, while she is trying to get pregnant, like she recently revealed ;)
Perhaps as a mother she'll start seeing the truth ;) I'd just feel sorry for the IDF-to be but hope he/she may join BTS one day!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday December 21, 2015, 4:45 pm
This is what I've always noted, that they never seem to find even a shred of empathy for the children, the most innocent in all of this, or it's selective children of only a certain Country or Countries. When I posted stories about the children of Gaza suffering from the horrid conditions, even if they said, those poor little dears I wish a safe place for them could be found while the adults act like idiots. It is always right out of the gate mean spirited comments and if people don't agree with Israel's policies then people are Jew haters.

I live in the USA and I certainly don't agree with everything that my Country is doing, yet it seems nothing is wrong with those who live in Israel, no wrong is ever done, at any level. I even asked a C2 member that, is there not even one thing that Israel has done wrong in anything at all. Nope, nothing. Well, I don't care in what Country one lives in, there is always "something"......the educational system isn't up to par, water is too costly, public transportation could be better, but not one thing, let alone the war issues. To me that tells me something.

And when I see comments from others who point out that the USA is doing wrong here or there, I don't feel they hate me as an American, if they are not happy with my Countries policies. They may wish more of us who live within the USA would be more involved and vote in more intelligent people or spend more time in educating themselves instead of blindly following the propaganda, but I don't feel they hate me personally for it or my religion or heritage.

I was able to finish the journey tonight. Thank you, good Dr's to continue to try to help their patients in any way they can and doing what they can to prevent new patients.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday December 21, 2015, 5:07 pm
******************************************************** Dandelion, so true
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday December 21, 2015, 5:52 pm
Eleonora
I think we're actually saying the same thing in different ways!
It’s not “... to those who want a white & black picture ...” – the truth is uncomfortable to those who want to elevate the Zionist narrative to be the truth.

For those who want a white & black picutre, the WHITE is with the hasbara, pro-Zionist white-washing; anything questioning this whitwashed version of history is unacceptable - even shades of grey bring in questioning of the promoted versions of history, suggesting that perhaps archives and other history books contain facts that don't fit with the hasbara narrative. Any touch of criticism adds black ... so must be classified as lies, hate-driven .... anti-Semitic or (this currently popular variation) "Jew-hating" ... terms aimed at discouraging anyone from thinking about critical questions being raised ...
Even if those raising the critical questions are themselves Jews - especially if they are Israeli Jews ....

Very uncomfortable - MUST ignore such questions because perhaps honesty will cause one to see that truth is different to the stories one has constructed one's "righteous" identity around. And must attack all sources of such questions - because others must be kept away from any questions that could lead to having a critical perception of the State of Israel .....

Very sad situation for them ....
 

fly b (26)
Monday December 21, 2015, 7:13 pm
As Dylan sang .. it's a hard rain, gonna fall --
As it ignores and dismisses realities, the state of Israel will, surely, get it's comeuppance, one way or another, in time.

This seems to be the way of history, not a personal prediction.
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday December 21, 2015, 9:29 pm
Oh look, the Jew hatred on this thread has now changed name into Zionist hatred .. No surprises here ..
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday December 21, 2015, 9:40 pm
I see that the Jew-hatred on this thread is now demanding that the genuine IDF voice I shared above, which is far more representative of the majority of IDF and their conduct, than the minority hate-filled voice of this video shared. But as always, mainstream media are predominantly Jew-haters:

Mainstream Media Ignores Report Praising IDF Conduct
Earlier this week there was a veritable media feeding frenzy over anonymous and completely unsubstantiated allegations by the Soros- NIF- and EU-funded group Breaking the Silence. The Washington Post, CNN, the Guardian, and the BBC all jumped at the chance to run full length features alleging depravity of Israeli conduct during Operation Protective Edge.

IDF gathering near Gaza border, July 2014
IDF soldiers near the Gaza border, July 2014
This stands in quite stark contrast to the mainstream media blackout over a report titled “A Legal and Operational Assessment of Israel’s Targeting Practices.” Published two weeks ago, the summary of the report states:

Broadly speaking, we concluded that IDF positions on targeting law largely track those of the United States military. Moreover, even when they differ, the Israeli approach remains within the ambit of generally acceptable State practice. The IDF is served by a corps of highly competent and well-trained legal advisors who operate with a remarkable degree of autonomy, and its operations are subject to extensive judicial monitoring. While there are certainly Israeli legal positions that may be contentious, we found that their approach to targeting is consistent with the law and, in many cases, worthy of emulation.

Unlike the anonymous sources in the BTS report, the authors of “A Legal and Operational Assessment of Israel’s Targeting Practices,” Michael Schmitt and John Merriam, have excellent credentials as, respectively, a professor of International Law at the US Naval War College, and a US Army Judge Advocate at the US Naval War College. The short and easy-to-read summary is backed up by one 50-page report in Social Science Research Network and another 15-page report in the same publication.

Outside of the Israeli press, as far as I can tell, this has been covered only by Algemeiner, Commentary, and the Lawfare blog, which is affiliated with the Brookings Institute. Once again, we see that so-called evidence of Israeli misconduct, no matter how flimsy, is highlighted, while evidence that Israel conducts its defense at least to the same standards as the US, is ignored. When it comes to Israel, the mainstream media has a profound and deep-seated sickness, and it does not appear as though any cure is on the horizon.

Update: I’m sure the American and UK media will similarly ignore this report, translated here by Elder of Ziyon, that debunks the BTS report. Here’s an excerpt from the EoZ translation:

A paratroop officer told me that Hamas often used women and children to alert their men of where to fired at IDF forces. He says he personally witnessed such a case: “A woman with a child came very close to our position and really you see how she points to our positions. You see how she talks on the phone and after a moment passed, we started taking sniper fire and mortars.” He noted you are allowed to shoot such observers but not freely, there are procedures that must be adhered to, and in this case by the time they finished the procedures she was gone.

According to him and other respondents, there were dozens of cases in which women and children were sent with phones to locate the positions of the army, which of course caused terrorist organizations to open fire. It cost the lives of soldiers. “So there were cases where we fired in such circumstances, and it is absolutely legal because this is a real threat to life. But there were many cases of doubt where nobody opened fire,” said the lieutentant colonel we spoke with.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 10:52 pm

Dandelion - a big Galaxy of Stars to you for your comment above ************************************. Excellent and to the point!

Only a sick and/or twisted brainwashed mind can "construct" founded and evidence-supported criticism of ANY State as _____-hate (fiull in the religion or nationality). It's a nonsensical comment.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 10:56 pm

Evelyn - I ... felt ... that we may mean basically the same - you're just more elaborate and diplomatic - LOL. The look in the mirror is always painful and it seems Alexa has removed all mirrors in her house a long time ago. Even that's fine with me - but then one shouldn't go into a fit every time someone still dares to look in the mirror and recognize the truth as what it is in the case of polit-Israel and the Zionist's hasbara: simply very UGLY!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 11:07 pm

Alexa - I give up! I see you follow step by step the Hasbara handbook. If you can't provide proof for what you say ... divert and go on to another non-related issue. Compare your posting of Saturday December 19, 2015, 9:34 am with your comment of Monday December 21, 2015, 9:40 pm. Old and worn-out tactics which don't work anymore.

Or as the saying goes: stop digging if you find yourself in a hole.

No OCCUPATION army and its actions (which enable murder, theft and oppression) can be justified with anything. NONE!

You sure know that Hitler was a dog lover. He adored his German Shepard and would have done anything for it. Personal accounts say that he also was often very kind to his subordinates and soldiers. Still ... that doesn't take away that he was a sick monster; these acts of kindness don't make of him a "good person" ...

But why do I bother? You seem to be utterly comfortable in helping Israel destroying ultimately itself rather than putting your energy to further peace and ensure a peaceful future for ALL the people living in that unholy place. All that's left for me to suggest that you change your statements in your profile ... or maybe better not ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday December 21, 2015, 11:13 pm

BTW Alexa - is it an ... oversight ... that even for your new "evidence" you fail to give a reference ... ??

Or might this be the reason:

Who are the “Elder of Ziyon?”
Elder of Ziyon, is an influential American[1] pro-Israel blog.[2] It is written anonymously.[3]

End of the year appeal


 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 12:49 am
Ah, I see thread thread has gone from Jew-hatred, to Zionist-hatred, to hating any non-mainstream media source ..

The source is right there in my post, they declare themselves and all the mainstream media crystal clearly.
" by Algemeiner, Commentary, and the Lawfare blog, which is affiliated with the Brookings Institute" and "Update: I’m sure the American and UK media will similarly ignore this report, translated here by Elder of Ziyon, that debunks the BTS report. Here’s an excerpt from the EoZ translation:" vs " The Washington Post, CNN, the Guardian, and the BBC all jumped at the chance to run full length features alleging depravity of Israeli conduct during Operation Protective Edge. "

But if you prefer a link rather than them declaring themselves clearly by name, be my guest:

source

Ps. Thanks Darren for the notification via green star that I'm supposedly needed here on this thread to continue this discussion, else I may have missed it as I'm off to see my aunt, family.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 4:20 am

Alexa - aren't you tired yet of this game you're trying to play without even knowing and/or respecting the rules ... - LOL?! You play "mercury" but you do a lousy job - sorry for me saying so.

We're mainly talking about your posting of Saturday December 19, 2015, 9:34 am in which you tell us a nice bed time story without any link and/or evidence. THAT was the initial question ... where, in which mainstream or alternative media can one read this heartwarming story? I mean ... for all I know and as said before: you can have written this story yourself in your blog ... or your handler(s) may have given it to you ...

Rather than coming clean you jump to another subject and story (Monday December 21, 2015, 9:40 pm) and again fail to reference where that was published.

It can be reasonably assumed that this two lines in your above comment of Dec 21
"IDF gathering near Gaza border, July 2014"
"IDF soldiers near the Gaza border, July 2014"
are titles of articles which you copy pasted. It would be interesting to know those source(s); mainstream or alternative media doesn’t matter as long as we’re not talking about some anonymous blogs. It would help to get a more complete overall picture.

Trying to sell us that the references made to the Algemeiner, Commentary, and the Lawfare blog, (which can be found inside your copy-paste exercise article with reference to debunking a certain "BTS report" - which has NEVER been the subject of this thread nor any side discussions here ... except for your Hasbara tactic who saw it necessary to further divert from the subject in order to protect your butt) – are the ones requested is intellectually very dishonest to be polite. They have NOTHING to do with the nice bedtime story of yours of December 19th nor with your second story.

That your second copy-paste excerpt doesn’t give a source whatsoever for the report it mentions and which seems to be titled “A Legal and Operational Assessment of Israel’s Targeting Practices.” which allegedly became the victim of a media blackout … well … tells us a story too.

As I have read attentively your postings I DID check out the Elder of Ziyon blog and its many affiliates (as you could have … concluded …with ease from my posting of Monday December 21, 2015, 11:13 pm); it leads straight into the inner core of the Zionist Hasbara kitchen incl. but not only the Gatestone Institute and its many affiliates (which also leads to BareNakedIslam, Jihad Watch and other known and listed hate and incitement sites).

PS What exactly do you hope to achieve in mentioning that Darren has sent you a Green Star? Do you hope to discredit him in the eyes of his friends? How cheap and how typical! So what if he sent you 10 Stars? Same difference! It doesn’t matter. Everybody is free to send anybody Green Stars for a good, sharp, to the point … or whatever … comment.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 8:36 am
I often give green stars for contribution, not content.
I've done the same with Penny.

 

Abo r (107)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 2:12 pm
The fact is Peace is GUIDED BY LOVE and always love brings peace .
Who burn children, families , kill children and girls have no sense of love and humanity .
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 3:40 pm
Abo - ********************************************************************************

Glad to see you around still - despite all the many hardships of your life.

*************************************************************** also to Eleonora
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 3:57 pm

Darren - there's no need for you to explain why you give stars to anybody! I just can't stand certain traits in certain people - as explained in my PS remark to Alexa. That's all.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday December 22, 2015, 4:00 pm

Abo - you're absolutely right! It's just sad that your wisdom is wasted on the Zionist apologists. Would they know what true love is they wouldn't be able to support and defend the actions of polit-Israel. It's that simple.

Stay safe and take good care of yourself and your family!!
 

fly b (26)
Saturday December 26, 2015, 4:39 am
Abo says it well. Thank you.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Friday February 26, 2016, 2:12 am
I'm arriving here late, as usual! But given that it was in December, I understood right away that this was when I had to ban myself from the computer because of that new 'attack' in ongoing lombar pain & hip tendinitis, which some of you know about.

So many wonderful comments, couldn't reward all of them since once a green star is sent, you have to wait over an hour to reward that person again, & quite a few here have made more than one spot-on and 'brain-tingling' comment.

I did want to make an addition to Dandelion's first remark: "when their waters were poisoned like what is happening in Gaza" now finds a US parallel beyond the harmful effects of fracking: we have the ongoing FLINT contaminated water scandal!

It is worth noting that these horrors occur when the Dominant Culture -- or ruling class-- or oligarchy-- is dealing with the '2nd-class' citizenry, be they Native Americans & First Nations people in the US, Canada or Latin America (e.g. the marginalized Maya or, as Dandelion mentions, Amazonian tribes), Palestinians in the West Bank or Gaza, or African-Americans, in the US! Don't forget that the population of Flint includes a large proportion of African-Americans and the 'white' résidents don't exactly belong to the oligarchy! Can anyone imagine poisoning the water of Beverly Hills, CA? Greenwhich, Connecticut? Boca Raton, Florida? or any of America's exclusive gated communities?

I am heartsick with the realization that I missed the MSF exhibition at the Maison des Métallos! I knew about it and had planned on going, even discussed it with Daniele. Just got sidetracked (involved with not being able to walk for 4 days & finding practical solutions and medical care...) & forgot it ended on Jan 17! I'm counting on your post here, Angie, to make up for my tragic oversight...
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Friday February 26, 2016, 7:47 pm
That article from Haaretz (2002) and the one from The Guardian (2014) certainly dispell the --at best idealistic/at worst utterly twisted, invented 'fairy tale'-- description of Israeli soldiers carefully attending to all the housework and thoroughly cleaning up after themselves before returning a Palestinian home to its rightful owners after taking it over in the 'fight against terrorism.'

The one from WRMEA (also 2002) is beautifully written, subtle and intelligent... and I must get back to it to finish.

Thank you, Eleanora.


@Abo - "The fact is Peace is GUIDED BY LOVE and always love brings peace." Love will guide us to seek peace, but love alone won't do it: for me, justice brings peace. And justice, too, is guided by love. When there is no justice, no just solution, there can never be peace. There's a saying I found somewhere: Plant seeds of justice, reap a harvest of peace.
 
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