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Millennials Embrace Socialism, But Do They Know What It Is?


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Eric
- 1127 days ago - townhall.com
Socialism is having a moment. I'm not just referring to Bernie Sanders' surprisingly strong showing in the Democratic primaries. Various polls show that millennials have a more favorable view of socialism than of capitalism.



   

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Animae C (509)
Monday May 16, 2016, 7:29 am
EVERYONE should educate themselves;

http://www.care2.com/news/member/901507364/3982992

 

Kathleen M (208)
Monday May 16, 2016, 9:28 am
Agreed, AniMae! And free market, vulture capitalism? What have we learned?
 

Trish K (29)
Monday May 16, 2016, 10:26 am
Capitalism and Socialism work hand in hand. It is just very lop sided in the world at this time, and Socialism is not left wing mind control. Those who make the most should be generous of heart, mind, spirit , filled with pride and gratitude at their good fortune and know that if they educate, provide health care, good jobs, good food and encourage people not to over multiply, and gave everyone a voice, they would be building a country which the world would admire and emulate. Oh Wait - we already tried that and it was wonderful while it lasted. Europe and other civilized nations took our ideas, embraced them and now live in peace and harmony but they will also out live us by ten years and are smart enough to not let it happen to them. See what they did to the Wall Street Types in Iceland ?
Go see the movie "Where to Invade Next " - his best so far
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday May 16, 2016, 10:37 am
The last 50 years have proven beyond any doubt that Capitalism also is NOT a sustainable economic system, so what would you like to have in its place. . . ?

"Free markets" are extremely volatile, and depend on egoism and competition. . . therefore ALSO flawed systems in operation.

Next. . .
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 12:31 am
Noted!
 

Eric Lees (6)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 4:46 am
@Trish The key word in your comment is "generous", yes the rich should be generous with their wealth as Bill Gates, and many other ultra wealthy. They voluntarily give their wealth. Socialism and any other central planned economic model uses force to steal wealth. They all fail because they remove the incentive to work hard.
 

Eric Lees (6)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 4:49 am
@Darren What country are you referring to when you say Capitalism has been proven over the last 50 years to fail? How are free markets more volatile than what we have? Our economy was much more stable and the inequality is much less the more free an economy is.
 

Eric Lees (6)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 4:49 am
Economic freedom index: The more free an economy is the stronger it is and the less inequality:
http://www.heritage.org/index/
 

Eric Lees (6)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 4:51 am
@Darren you seem confused on what Capitalism is. Here in the USA we have had a central bank since 1913 which has been a major contributor to the boom bust cycle and the loss of purchasing power of the dollar. Hardly a free market.

"To condemn free-market capitalism because of anything going on today makes no sense. There is no evidence that capitalism exists today. We are deeply involved in an interventionist-planned economy that allows major benefits to accrue to the politically connected of both political spectrums. One may condemn the fraud and the current system, but it must be called by its proper names – Keynesian inflationism, interventionism, and corporatism." Ron Paul
 

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 12:25 pm
You are mixing apples with oranges. Within the article it states:

But when asked if they agreed with a more technically accurate definition of socialism -- government control of the economy.

That is the far extreme of socialism and is NOT what Bernie Sanders is advocating. He is advocating for the Democratic Socialism that is what Countries like Norway are - not the socialism that say Venezuela is using.

It is because people don't seem to understand the differences that there is a lot of misconception and fear.

Unregulated Capitalism, which is pretty much what the USA is now functioning under isn't working either. A long spell after the Great Depression that increased the middle class happened because of regulations so the Greedy Heartless Ones wouldn't be able to tank the economy like they did that led to the Depression.

There were protections like Glass-Steagall that were placed on and monopolies were broken up, but now the monopolies are back and Glass-Steagall was removed under the Clinton Administration.

The US already had embraced Democratic Socialism and it worked so well that people voted in the New Deal President 3 times because they liked the system of being a Democratic Socialist Country and wanted to keep going that way. Therefore it was under FDR that term limits were started for President else I'm sure the people would of kept voting him in until he died.

The free market without restraints or regulations doesn't work because the human condition of greed sets in. We can see it today, where some have more and more while more and more and having less and less. If this system is working for you Eric consider yourself the "lucky one" because for many it is not working, it isn't working for many people, and many people under whom the somewhat regulated capitalistic system had worked.

You list Ron Paul and I know a lot of people gravitate to him, he makes sense in a lot of ways; however his way of thinking leaves out a lot of people. You are still a somewhat young man Eric and it is easier to look at his offerings and feel connected to them. But he also believes that if anything should happen to you that you become ill or are injured, if you didn't or couldn't afford the medical insurance or do not have the way to take care of yourself well that is just tough too bad.

Many people working, taking care of themselves never expect to come down with cancer or become hurt on the job or in an auto accident. Many people even with medical insurance, car insurance, and believed they had covered all the squares in their soon get a very quick reality check. Under total free market ways if you failed to read the fine print or the business goes belly up or whatever boomerang flies in to your life it is just too bad.

Under a Democratic Socialistic society, you work hard to cover all bases, but under a Universal Health care system, or one that gives you a bit of a safety net until you mend or obtain retraining so you can work with your new limitations you don't end up on the streets and can never get off of them again. The Elders if they did not have the highest paying jobs are not left to go hungry, not all of us are going to be surgeons, or to be hedge fund managers, some will be floor sweepers or work cooking the food for the cafeteria in local schools.

I do like the fact he wants the Fed audited and to do away with the Federal Reserve Bank which has been a major robbery since 1913. What a scam, what a $1.00 use to buy doesn't anymore with the inflation and the debt economy that was created. I also like Ron Paul's staying out of Empire building and the constant regime changes.....too much of our monies going to wars that could be used for our own people to make life better here and we really don't help those we "claim" to be in there helping - just ask the Vietnamese who still suffer from Agent Orange or the mess in Iraq today. We didn't help - we made things worse - it was all based on lies to get us in there.

Whatever was gained in those 50 years under regulated Capitalism is being lost. We need to have those regulations back, we need to regain our Democracy, because right now we are living in a Corporate Tyranny......don't fool yourself. I lived in the fifties and sixties and early seventies before our protections were chipped away, before the gold standard was removed. That was still when the "people" were living under a regulated Capitalist system, I remember.......IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER. And we had Democratic Socialism benefits from the New Deal Era. Now, since the mid to late seventies things were chipped away and it became harder and harder.....and this system SUCKS today.

Democratic Socialism means Democracy For The People.......

What we have today is Vulture Capitalism and cut throat economics, winner takes all, hooray for me the hell with you, screw you economics, if you can't pay die, we have about 3 choices, consumer, warrior or prisoner and if we are lucky we get to pick. That is not a humane system there is nothing humane about this. As I said, if it works now for you, consider yourself the lucky one......because if it turns on you, you are most certainly screwed.

Suze Orman, Financial Advisor "There is a super highway to poverty and not even a sidewalk to get out."

Norway, a Democratic Socialist Country, has one of the highest standards of living in the world and people are pretty darn happy with their life and their system.

Don't confuse the types of socialism.........
 

Trish K (29)
Tuesday May 17, 2016, 12:41 pm
Democratic Socialism or Capitalism - It's not one or the other it's an agreement that works for all which was shared in the constitution of USA. Extremes never work. Combined ideas, morally intelligent people with values, principles, integrity and ethics must be elected to guide this once democratic state, back to a more democratic socialist center.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 3:11 am
Eric, every developed economy on the planet, where Capitalism is the dominant model, has proven unhealthy and dysfunctional for the majority of its citizens.

That's why it was called GLOBAL Financial Crisis.

I worked within the I.T Service Operation of one of the largest Corporate Banks on the planet, and to witness what took place INSIDE, as opposed to what the general customer and consumer sees, is quite alarming.
 

Eric Lees (6)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 4:52 am
And 99% of the countries in the world have a central bank and are on fiat money hence not free market control of the money. I've read that Libya was looking to start a gold standard currency before we caused chaos and stopped that plan.

Sanders is advocating government control of the economy, not true Socialism just more extreme Cronyism than what we have now by keeping the FED, imposing higher taxes on both the rich and middle class and then redistributing some of that through a bigger welfare state. That is a recipe for collapse as is our current model, Bernie would just get us there faster.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 5:38 am
In case you hadn't noticed the "government" is voted in by the electorate, the people.

When Corporate Capitalism is directing the action, things go wrong. Perhaps you've noticed this over the last 10-20 years or so. . .
 

Eric Lees (6)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 9:12 am
And your point is Darren? I can't tell if your agreeing with me are arguing against something I said. And it's been going on for far longer than 10-20 years.
 

Eric Lees (6)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 9:14 am
"Why Socialism Will Always Fail"
"The paradox of "planning" is that it cannot plan, because of the absence of economic calculation. What is called a planned economy is no economy at all. It is just a system of groping about in the dark. There is no question of a rational choice of means for the best possible attainment of the ultimate ends sought. What is called conscious planning is precisely the elimination of conscious purposive action."
https://mises.org/blog/why-socialism-will-always-fail
 

Eric Lees (6)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 9:24 am
@Dandelion That's good you understand the damage the FED has done, for most people they have no clue and choose to ignore or dismiss my comments on the FED.

Are you sure Norway is a model of Democratic Socialism?
"The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism
The Nordic model is far from socialist"

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.
The Scandinavians embrace a brand of free-market capitalism that exists in conjunction with a large welfare state, known as the “Nordic Model,” which includes many policies that democratic socialists would likely abhor."
https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday May 18, 2016, 12:51 pm
Just so you know where I'm coming from, Eric, if I can spell if out more starkly than I already have, Capitalism DESTROYS lives, and economies. The last 10-20 has proven this, beyond doubt.

That clear enough for you.
 

Eric Lees (6)
Wednesday July 13, 2016, 4:34 am
Um yes you are going to have to spell it out Darren. First where is this country that has Capitalism that has destroyed lives are you talking about?

And once again please provide some proof that Capitalism has destroyed lives and economies in this said country.
 
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