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MICHAEL MOORE: The Bin Laden Era Is Over: Let's Make America Great By Ending Our Wars and Restoring Our Rights

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Good riddance Osama. Now come back to your ways, my good ol' USA.


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Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday May 13, 2011, 6:38 pm

Thanks for posting this, Cal!


Bruce Eyster (62)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 12:42 am
I love Michael Moore ! Thanks for p[osting this .

. (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 5:16 am
Michael Moore is absolutely right...thanks Cal!

Helen Avila (166)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 5:37 am
they can't restore our rights, they are finding out how much fun it is to piss us off and watch us flounder like a bunch of fish out of water. A few people actually address it the rest sit in their living rooms and whine about it and cast blame on that black man.

Meta Reid (1)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 6:02 am
Thank you for leading us to this comment by Mr. Moore, he is always right on target.

Armand G F (5)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 6:18 am
Thanks for the posting of this insightful perspective on the assassination of OBL. As a true idealist, and as Bill Clinton once said "I still believe in a place called Hope." I still hope that one day, soon, this nation can return to the pre-Bush doctrine days of a civil and just nation.

Kip Mapes (28)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 6:38 am
Thank You

Krasimira B (175)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 6:53 am
Go Michael! Thank you Cal for posting.

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 7:06 am
Great article. Let's stop playing at 1984.

None None (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 7:17 am

Anne P (174)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 7:26 am
Michael Moore for President!

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 7:49 am
very well said.

Eileen Novak (444)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:03 am
Has hell frozen over? I can't believe I agree with Michael Moore. I'm grabbing my ice skates.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:21 am

Pirana X (12)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 9:52 am
Great article, Michael. You make some very good points.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 10:34 am
Moore has touched issues in many areas during the past few years.

He is right again. Get USA out of Afghanistan and bring our troops home.

Put our dollars to work in THIS country - USA.

Only one or two things left to do: Get bush and cronies for War Crimes +

get cheney, rove for treason.

TY, Cal.

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 11:45 am
The title has said it loud and clear, thank goodness we have people like Michael Moore that speaks out for those who have no micophones or TV cameras to look into.

Bistra Staykova (4)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 12:22 pm
Let me post two comments to Mr Moore's article in AlterNet:

Which "ways" are the United States supposed to come back to? The genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Native Americans? Slavery? The meddling in the Western Hemisphere that came with the Monroe Doctrine? The US-backed military coups, CIA overthrows and other "regime change" tactics practiced throughout the 20th century? The military invasions, incursions, "police actions" and bombing campaigns that also took place throughout the 20th century? Pray tell, when did the "Good Ole USA" ever behave itself in a manner worthy of going back to?

bcain in reply to nomadexile:
How true. Sadly, Mr. Moore's heart is in the right place - his brain not so much. He still apparently doesn't understand 9-11, nor that the good ol' USA has been responsible over the centuries, especially in the past 50 years, for more direct and indirect human suffering than any other regime in the annuls of human civilization.


Elisabeth T (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 12:26 pm
Good article, thanks...

donald Baumgartner (6)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 12:47 pm
Michael Moore for President in 2016!!

Mark H (44)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 1:14 pm
Yeah, darn it, Michael Moore is good. I also like the actions IN the article!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 1:23 pm

"The quickest way for a nation to ruin itself is to sanctify falsehood. And the quickest way to sanctify falsehood, is to attack anyone who even asks if it's falsehood."  ~ Keith Olbermann

T.L. H (6)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 1:57 pm
It took Clinton,Bush,Obama and our whole military to get Bin Laden.Not just Bush and Obama.Our rights have been restricted even before WW2 and it didn't prevent Korea,Vietnam,9-11 etc.Bin Laden is dead but I doubt peace will come because of it.Our rights should be reinstated an expanded with gay marriage,legalizing marijuana,state reciprocity ccw etc. and the wars should end but none of that will bring peace to the world.

Linda F (16)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 2:02 pm
noted he always makes sense...

Patricia Herrick (54)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 2:17 pm
Yes he does and our country would make more sense if we only follow his advice half the time. I too, love Michael Moore~~~a real HERO.

Laverne Wallace (59)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 3:01 pm
I agree.

Ralph F (70)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 3:10 pm
Well said Michael Moore, but somehow I think think the Military Industrial Complex is having too much of a good time with the, "War on Terror." Dick Cheney already came out of his crypt to make the announcement that the traveling circus of death must go on. And why not? Creatures of his ilk are making a killing (pun intended) off the unending wars and, "police actions."

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 4:55 pm
Oooooook.....! When are we going to get a president who cares and doesn't play the How Great I am forgetting his own people of the nation.? We've had too many in the past that doesn't like what other nations do and it's like I don't like what you do so I'm going to change it. Or you have something "I" want.

Saturday May 14, 2011, 5:02 pm
Thanks for posting Cal!

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 5:03 pm
Maybe we have someone now that will make a difference and not be those that money talks and S--T flies.

Barbara V (51)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 5:23 pm
Michael Moore is one wise man. I wish I could invite him in for a drink and an hour or more of schmoozing. I bet he could tell you things that would make your hair stand on end. What a blessing to have him around--somebody who tells the flat-out truth!

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 5:31 pm
Thanks for a great post Cal. I tried but you beat me to it :-)

Janet Ives (16)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 6:13 pm
First we must determine what type of world we wish to live in. Where do our values reside and on a scale, how do we rate its importance. According to Mahatma Gandhi "The greatness of a society and its moral progress, can be judged by the way it treats its animals"

annelies j (71)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 7:47 pm
Thanks for the post! Love Michael Moore! He's not afraid to tell it like it is.

Dan Holoman (2)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:09 pm
Time to get out of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan!

Olive Tassell (7)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:12 pm
With the proof to the Muslims how un Christian like N. America can be lusting over blood and murder showing the worst of traits an eye for an eye. The era isn't over only fueling more decent and terror. Love M. Moore though he puts the truth right up to be seen and heard.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:17 pm
BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! They should not be participating in wars that do not concern them.

Sheila D (28)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:24 pm
Michael Moore is one of the most grounded, intellegent, spiritual people I know. I certainly wish more people would listen to him, as he never intentionally lies (as far as I can tell), unlike most politicians, lawyers, CEO's, managers, and any other person with any power whatsoever. If he wasn't so openly honest, all the "powers that be" wouldn't be so afraid of him.

greenplanet e (155)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:34 pm
US hubris is part of the problem.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:36 pm
Is Bin Laden dead? No body, no photos Dumped in the sea in the middle of the night?

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 8:39 pm
"my good ol' USA." is very good at waging wars and murdering innocent civilians. "my good ol' USA"?

Hartson Doak (39)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 9:02 pm
The final lie that was spoken to justify all this death and carnage has ended. There now IS NO REASON that can justify the US invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq and now Libya. Bring our people home. Put them to work rebuilding the US infra structure. Have them dig the alligator filled moat between the US and Mexico. At least that waste of money would be spend here.

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 9:28 pm
What if OBL's son HBL turns up (conveniently) in a oil/gas/gold/lithium/unobtanium/etc rich country?
The Empire will have to send its brave soldiers to liberate the people there, too.

Noted, thanks.

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 9:41 pm
Why we will never see dead Osama bin Laden? What really happened?

We need to look at the facts, use common sense and everything becomes crystal clear. For example, to prove that Osama bin Laden was killed at the compound in Abbottabad, the easiest way is to take the DNA test of the blood on the floor of the compound.

What we all know
August 2010: Pakistan shares with US some details about the compound in Abbottabad. US gathers intelligence that the compound is occupied by Osama’s children.

Jan 27: Raymond Davis, the CIA Station Chief in Pakistan gets an audio file and some pictures of Pak military installations at Tarbela from an informer in Lahore. On the way back he is pursued by two ISI contractors. He realizes that he is being followed and shots both followers in the back. He is arrested by Pakistani police.
March 16: Raymond Davis is released and he shares the information he had gathered with the CIA.
March 17: General Kayani starts criticizing drone attacks in public statements

First Week of April: News started circling that General Petraeus is being transferred to CIA.

April 5: Obama Administration submits a report to the Congress that Pakistan government has no clear strategy to triumph over militants. This is followed by a concerted international media campaign which puts enormous pressure on Pakistani Military and ISI.

April 7: Bruce Riedel, former CIA officer and White House advisor writes a report arguing that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not only a deterrent to India but also to USA.
April 8: General Kayani meets with Centcom Chief Gen James Mattis.

April 18: On Pakistan’s Geo TV, Adm. Michael Mullen said Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence “has a longstanding relationship with the Haqqani Network. That doesn’t mean everybody in the ISI, but it’s there.”

April 20: Adm. Mike Mullen meets with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Khalid Shameem Wynne and General Kayani.

April 22: News appears that Pakistan has taken back Shamsi Airbase back from CIA, US forces.

April 26: Washington critically attacks Pakistan Army’s counter-terrorism efforts.

April 26: General Petraeus met with General Kayani.

April 26: Meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC) is held at Rawalpindi, one week ahead of schedule at the Joint Staff Headquarters

April 27: Wall Street Journal reports that Pakistan is trying to wean Afghanistan away from the United States and draw it into China’s orbit.

April 28: Obama signs General Petraeus’ transfer to CIA.

April 29: Obama signs the orders to attack the Abbottabad compounds.

April 30: General Kayani gave a veiled threat in his Youm-e-Shuhada address: “Pakistan is a peace-loving country and wants friendly relations with other countries and our every step should move towards prosperity of the people. But we will not compromise our dignity and honour for it”.

May 1: Four US choppers flew from Afghaistan. Reaching Abbottabad they attacked a secure compound which housed some important Al Qaeda members. A gun battle soon ensued. Within minutes a Pakistani military helicopters flew from Tarbela, reaching the compound in Abbottabad few minutes later. In the meanwhile US forces had torched one of their own choppers. The four choppers (three US and one Pak) took off from the compound and flew to Afghanistan. Incidentally, this time none of them followed a low altitude flight. They were quite visible on Pakistani radars.

What we all should know
In August 2010 after Pakistani authorities shared intelligence with US about the compound in Abbottabad. US after its own intelligence gathering ascertains that the compound is occupied by Osama’s children. Compound surveillance continues through the next year in anticipation of capturing Osama bin Laden. In January 2011 the young CIA contractor who is give the charge of Pakistan Station Chief works “extra hard” to gather clandestine information related to ISI and Al Qaeda relationship. The contractor, now infamous as Raymond Davis the “American Rambo” receives a call from one of his assets, early morning on January 27 about a high value target. But the asset refuses to lay out details on phone or to leave the Lahore city, where he had gone underground. Raymond Davis hires a rent a car and drives to Lahore, while his security detail follows him in a bullet proof Land Cruiser. Raymond Davis is able to loose his Islamabad’s ISI “detail” by leaving in unmarked rent a car. The ISI agents falling for his trap follow the embassy’s Land Cruiser. Raymond Davis arrives at Lahore one hour earlier than his detail and meets with the asset. The asset gives him some pictures of an intelligence building at Tarbela and recording of a phone call. Listening the phone call Raymond Davis realizes the gold mine he had struck and immediately calls his security detail which had also reached Lahore, knowing if ISI reaches him first, he would not leave Lahore alive.

Next hour when the security car catches up with Raymond Davis, the ISI bosses realizes that Raymond Davis had give them a slip earlier in the morning and in the couple of hours he had in Lahore, he might have got some important information. Resultantly, they put two contractors on his tail. Raymond Davis seeing a tail fears the worse and shoots them both in the back, at a traffic stop, without logically realizing that there was no way ISI could have know what he was holding. His security detail which was close behind rushed to his “rescue” however, by the police had chased and arrested him, while the security Land Cruiser running over pedestrians escapes towards US embassy compound in Islamabad. ISI officers quickly reach the scene and confiscating the memory sticks realize Raymond Davis has unearthed a deep secret which even their immediate bosses didn’t know about. The sensitivity of information rattles the entire echelons of the ISI and even its own officers are sent under house arrest while the relevant cell steps forward. At that time even some of the top intelligence officers of the secretive ISI outside the relevant cell did not know that Osama bin Laden had died and his body was kept frozen at Tarbela. Young Raymond Davis had unearthed the biggest secret of the century, somehow. But now the Pandora’s Box had been opened. Pak top brass knew it had only a few days or weeks at best to capitalize Raymond Davis’ arrest before US get the intel. In the next six weeks Pakistan plugs all leaks related to Osama’s death and makes sure that maximum gains are made for Raymond’s release. However, when Raymod Davis is released on March 16, his debriefing results in a tsunami of US policy, personal agendas and fuelling of political rivalries. Everyone in the US chain of command now wanted to use the information to further personal goals from General Petreaus to President Obama. On March 17, knowing that Pakistan had lost its trunk card General Pervaiz Kayani releases a press statement in which he critically criticize drone attacks, first from him. From then on Pak Military raised its stance against drone attacks, fearing that US now might target its nuclear assets. While in USA politics was at its full swing. General Petreaus wanted to get the buckle for Osama bin Laden’s death on his belt for his future political ambitions, while President Obama wanted the credit to help is sliding popularity. While the tussle continued, the other issue still pending was how to confirm Osama’s death. In the next one month, nearly every week a top US official visited Pakistan, everyone meeting with General Kayani trying to convince him to hand over Osama’s body. While the stance from Pakistan remained, “Osama, Who?” It was a first in the history that so many US top officials had visited and met with a military chief of a foreign country in such a short time. Seeing nothing getting through the top military brass of Pakistan, US started a political and media campaign on the sides to put extra pressure on Pak Military.

Politics within Obama Administration was also at its full swing. Petraeus was pulling all the strings to take the credit, while trying to lay out a plan to get Osama bin Laden’s body out of Pakistan. President Obama on the other hand in one smooth move decided to “promote” Petraeus to the head of the CIA. The news got out in the first week of April that Petraeus was being transferred to the CIA. While at the main front, Obama continued to pressurize General Kayani and General Pasha and one April 5, Obama Administration submitted a report to the Congress that Pakistan government had no clear strategy to triumph over militants. Alongside the report the media campaign against Pak Military and the ISI continued.

The second week of April began with a bang for top Pak Military brass. On April 7, Bruce Riedel, former CIA officer and White House advisor wrote a report arguing that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not only a deterrent to India but also to USA. The obvious had now become clear that Obama Administration has indirectly sent a clear threat to Pakistan’s nuclear assets. The timing of the report was perfect with Centcom Chief Gen James Mattis meeting with General Kayani next day. In the meeting General Mattis asked about Pakistan’s cooperation in capturing Osama bin Laden. This was ironically one of typical Hollywood thriller scene. Pakistan knew that US knew that Pakistan knows that US knows that Osama is dead. But Pakistan continued the naive game of “Osama Who?” while US continued to play the game that “Osama must be captured”. General Mattis leaves with veiled threats and stresses that Pakistan must do more to against the Al Qaeda and Taliban, or indirectly saying that Osama bin Laden must be handed over.

For the ten days US waits and sees how Pakistan responds to the threats, but Pakistan acts by burying its head in the sand – see no evil, hear no evil. Obama Administratio ups the ante and on April 18 on Pakistan’s Geo TV, Adm. Michael Mullen said Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence “has a longstanding relationship with the Haqqani Network. That doesn’t mean everybody in the ISI, but it’s there.” Again, international media had its field day against Pakistan’s ISI and its links with Taliban and the ISI. After putting pressure on General Kayani, Adm. Mike Mullen meets with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Khalid Shameem Wynne and General Kayani on April 20. Admiral Mullen again demands indirectly that Pakistan needs to help USA in locating Osama bin Laden. Pakistan’s response was again, “Osama, Who?” Admiral Mullen however, left with another threat that if they came to know about Osama bin Laden’s location they would go ahead and take unilateral action. This is the same message which President Obama repeated in his announcement of Osama bin Laden’s death, when he said, “We will take actions in Pakistan, if we knew where he was.”

In response to continued threats from USA Pakistan starts taking back its air bases from US in an attempt to avoid launching of any operation from its own soil. As a result on April 22 the news appears that Pakistan had taken back Shamsi Airbase back from CIA, US forces. While Obama Administration was pilling pressure on Pakistan, General Petraeus visited Pakistan on April 26 and met with General Kayani openly asking him to hand over Osama bin Laden, otherwise get ready to face the consequences. Same day Washington also critically attacked Pakistan Army’s counter-terrorism efforts. General Petraeus left with a clear message that unless Pakistan hands over Osama, US forces would be forces to take action over Pakistani soil. Pakistani Military knowing that US knew that Osama bin Laden was dead couldn’t understand Obama Administration’s continued stance on capturing Osama bin Laden. General Petraeus left with the ultimatum that either Pakistan handed over Osama or US would get him.
Same day meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC) is held at Rawalpindi, one week ahead of schedule at the Joint Staff Headquarters. The top brass discusses the Osama issue and decision is reached to work out the Obama’s strategy leading to continuous threats for capturing Osama bin Laden alive, even after knowing that he was dead. While in Pakistan intelligence community starts using all of its sources to reach to the bottom of US’ demand of capturing Osama bin Laden. On April 28 President Obama signs General Petraeus’ transfer to CIA and next day signs the orders to attack the Abbottabad compounds. Thus Osama bin Laden’s credit is assured to President Obama.

On 29 April after President Obama signed the orders to “bring back” Osama bin Laden, Pakistani security agencies get a report that another order had been signed which had authorized US forces to neutralize Pakistan’s nuclear assets, if needed. The report was nothing short of seeing a death angel for the top Pak Military brass.

Seeing the imminent threat, General Kayani tried his last shot when on 30 April 2011 he clearly stated in his Youm-e-Shuhada address: “Pakistan is a peace-loving country and wants friendly relations with other countries and our every step should move towards prosperity of the people. But we will not compromise our dignity and honour for it”. However, it didn’t stop what was about to come 24 hours later.
As night fell on Sunday, 1 May four choppers from a US Afghan base at a low altitude towards its destination in Abbottabad, to the same compound where Osama’s children were in the hiding. Without any detection courtesy of their latest stealth technology and Pakistan’s outdated technology the choppers continued over the Pakistani territory. Ironically, ten years ago a Pak Air force air commodore had raised concern about the outdated radar technology citing that US or worse India could fly helicopters into the country and take out nuclear installations and in reply he was shown the boot while no upgrades to the systems were made.

Anyway, the four choppers made it to the compound in Abbottabad. It is then that Pak Army was notified that they have a choice. Either face an entire barrage of US choppers attacking Pak nuclear assets or hand over Osama’s body. In the meanwhile the small gun battle at the Abbottabad compound continued and to give the drama some authenticity the US forces torched one of their own choppers. Pressed for time a Pakistani helicopter flew from Tarbela carrying dead body of Osama bin Laden which was stored in a cold storage there. While at Abbottabad Pak Army soldiers encircle the entire area around the compound within five minutes of the start of fire fight. The fire fight continued for 35 more minutes, waiting for the Pakistani helicopter. Once the Pakistani helicopter reached the compound the three US choppers and the Pakistani helicopter flew towards the Afghan border, this time without the need to fly below the radar detection altitude.

Next day, the world woke up to the news that Osama bin Laden was dead and President Obama had delivered wheat President Bush and Dick Cheney couldn’t. But the Pak Military brass did not wake up, because they never slept the night before. Last night they had woken to the realization that US could fly under the radar and take out Pakistan’s nuclear assets. The problem here is that US has the complete inventory of Pakistan’s nuclear assets along with exact locations. It would be a matter of minutes in a country wide operation to dismantle Pakistan’s nuclear assets.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 9:53 pm
Bin Laden is not dead, it's just US propaganda and eternal lies.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 11:28 pm
Bloody war no more! What happened to diplomacy or is that dead too?

Justin R (0)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 11:30 pm
Well said!

Lisa H (180)
Saturday May 14, 2011, 11:58 pm
Matloob, this all sounds plausible, and we would all love where you got your information!
Yes, David, he is probably dead. It's all smoke screen anyway, Bin Ladin was always just an excuse to make a few more billions for Cheney and Halliburton in Afghanistan. Naturally, since our excuse is gone, they now want to start a war with Pakistan next. Can't let the war machine/cash cow die!!

Colleen L (3)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 12:00 am
I wish that our govenment would just put end to these ugly wars. Why our government wants to continue dishes all of our taxpayer funds into them is beyond me. Our world is going downhill with it's budgets, yet they keep spending billions. I'll never understand their reasons, not do I even want to. They are a bunch of idiots that don't give a crap about all of the service people who have died or became disabled in one way or another. Maybe we should send the government there and see how long that would last?
Put an end to it now. We've had enough!
Thanks Cal

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 12:20 am
America loves war for money. Why end it?

Ellen m (215)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 1:03 am
I love Michael Moore, and the story he wrote really hit home . While I don't agree with everything he says, that 1% I can live with.
I would believe him over damn near any politition any day.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 2:02 am
BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! - Is there any reason not to?

Edward M (8)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 3:16 am
Exactly what rights need to be restored, apart from being allowed to vote every three years for Tweedledum or Tweedltdee, as you as an American People never had any real rights as has been proven over the years.
There's more democracy operating in a remote Amazonian tribe than there is in any of the States in America, and you can include Europe in this appraisal.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 4:13 am
NO MORE WAR? BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! Why are we fighting in wars that do not concern us? Protecting America? You have got to be joking.

leanne Torio (244)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 7:40 am
Michael Moore should run for President!

Susan Pernot (75)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 8:02 am
AMEN! Thanks Cal, Michael Moore is so right.

William Y (54)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 10:35 am
Right again Ralph F.

J. G (55)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 10:41 am
Can't believe the comments here - test the blood on the floor by a non-USA authority. He officially no longer exists - with no body that can be dug up at a later date - how very convenient.

Dan S (9)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 10:49 am
Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda are just part of the "big lie" fabricated by our government and corporate powers so they can control the people and make money for themselves off of the wars they create. Get ready for the next "lie" to emerge from the desks of the men in power.

Ronald N (3)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 11:29 am
Even Michael Moore politics seem strange in this world of suspense and drama of the Osama bin Laden's death. Sure, most Americans want peace and get out of Afghanistan and Pakistan as well as Iraq, but it is not for us to say. Even the slightest thought of it will be defied by those with rattling sabers. I listened to Congressman Boehner this morning and he made it clear that this is not what will happen as the nuclear weapons in Pakistan are to great a risk not to be involved and that troop presence is a must in that region. All this doesn't make me a lover of wars, but realistically, Americans are out of touch with how separated our politics is with the elites of the world. While we may think peace loving nations will do the right thing and end these conflicts, we should know the military establishment and the concept of "world order" is far beyond people's ability to do anything about it. Really, the chain of events and history making will never be understood by American people because of that fact. History is created for purpose of creating a permanence of thought. Once history is established, we then label the history as "truth". Truth as we know it is truly impartial with credits of wrongs and rights shifted toward whomever the writers decide how to make it. As I would like to end this and other associated wars, I can understand Michael Moore's sentiments, but I refrain from really placing complete blame upon certain parties. The understanding of wars are based upon many other factors besides what the American mainstream may think. Certainly, the West and the United States have made enemies with many nations who simply wouldn't go along with our policies. For that we must be more critical or ourselves in pursuit of the truth.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 15, 2011, 12:26 pm
BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW, The wars are bulshit. Protecting Amerijca? Murdering thousands of innocent civilians is nojt cool.

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Monday May 16, 2011, 3:00 am
Thanks for a very good article

Cristina M (137)
Monday May 16, 2011, 4:21 am
Well said Mr Moore! Bravo!

Melody Aragorn (135)
Wednesday May 18, 2011, 2:54 pm
Though I must admit every word well spoken by Mr. Micheal Moore, making this an amazing article to read and think about, however one cannot escape reality, I pray people stop wearing blinders, and get to protect their homes, their generations, this time for good..
1.Get the troops back home I agree
2.Give the America land BACK to the Natives,
Then America is finally in SAFE hands..


Thanks Cal..

Klaus Peters (14)
Thursday May 19, 2011, 8:35 am
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