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Voters must know what is true before they can make decisions that are in their own best interest and that of our country. It would be best if the fact checking is done during the commercials and then before the next round of debates, the fact-checkers' fi


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Florence Eaise (132)
Friday September 7, 2012, 3:17 pm

Roseann d (178)
Friday September 7, 2012, 3:46 pm
How about attaching a shock device to their scrotum sac that gives them a few volts with every lie.

Carrie B (306)
Friday September 7, 2012, 4:08 pm
Signed and noted.

Joe R (190)
Friday September 7, 2012, 4:11 pm
Great idea. Signed and noted.

Gysele van Santen (213)
Friday September 7, 2012, 5:36 pm
signed, thnx.

Patrizia S (315)
Friday September 7, 2012, 6:02 pm
signed and shared

Nicole W (646)
Friday September 7, 2012, 6:09 pm

pam w (139)
Friday September 7, 2012, 7:21 pm
Does ANYONE think the Romney crew would vote for this?

It'd put "FAUX NEWS" out of business!

(Say.........that's a lovely idea!)

Elle B (81)
Friday September 7, 2012, 8:18 pm

Daniel Partlow (179)
Friday September 7, 2012, 8:50 pm

H Nick H (1826)
Friday September 7, 2012, 11:43 pm
Noted and signed. I like what Pam said. What would Fox do with the actual truth?

jo M. (3)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 12:46 am
Lets gong them for every untruth, that should drown out both sides.

Heidi Aubrey (16)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 1:30 am
I couldn't agree more. Signed and noted.

Arild Warud (174)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 2:55 am
Signed,TY Cal.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:44 am
Fact Check for both candidates and their VP's....this is wonderful and I agree 100%.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 4:22 am
I don't know if you can fact check sound bites, and politician can be fairly shrewd about how to mislead people. Outright lies are rare but misrepresenting and leaving out details can do as much harm. It seems for these "debates" should be recorded in advanced, or answers should be limited to the candidates positions and not postulating on the opponents.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 5:48 am
Obama's speech this week was fact checked and WOW he threw a few untruths out there. So, I have to agree with this thread...both parties need to be fact checked during the debates. In fact, I'm looking forward to it. John, I believe fact checking will take into consideration "the spin."

Joe Biden will have a tough time debating Paul Ryan. Obama can't run on his record and the fact that his own democrats turned against him in congress so he'll be in a tough position as well.

The truth needs to be given to the American people starting with the fact that Obama simply doesn't have a plan to turn the economy around. He simply doesn't understand basic math. He stated he was going to use the money saved from Afghanistan and Iraq to build bridges, roads, hire teachers (federal government doesn't hire teachers the states do that and only if they need them) etc when, in fact, all of that money is borrowed money and needs to be paid back.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 7:45 am
Anyone who say's Obama can't run on his record has either watched to much Fox news or they have know idea what Obama has accomplished in just over 3 years. Health care alone was a much needed accomplishment. Too much Fox news will rote your brain. Obama does have a plan it's called a JOBS BILL that Republicans have not even let go to the floor to be voted on because they were to busy voting 37 times on repealing Health Care while people do without jobs.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 7:50 am
Signed TY Cal

John D (22)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 8:06 am
Signed! Someone needs to keep the bastards honest.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 9:30 am
We are now down to 60 days until the big day and the race is much closer than many anticipated. With both parties engaging in inflammatory rhetoric, the outcome of the 2012 Presidential Race is hard to call. Will it be Obama or will it be Mitt?

The Race is hard to call.  Will it be Obama or will it be Mitt? Fred and Marg will be discussing the platforms released at the 2012 Republican and Democratic National Conventions. Neither candidate can claim that they "ran the good race"

Please join Fred and Marg on Lies My Country Told Me at 2:00 pm Eastern Standard Time (1:00 pm Central, 12:00 pm Mountain, 11:00 am Pacific and 3:00 pm Atlantic) either on the chatroom or call in with your comments to (347) 677-1814.

Hope to see you there!

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 9:33 am
"Obama's speech this week was fact checked and WOW he threw a few untruths out there. "

Diane - I think that you should maybe go look at the RNC's outright lies. Both parties are guilty of distortion, maligning, and outright lying. To suggest that this is just a Obama tactic, when Mitt and company have done the same, perhaps even at a greater level is a little hypocritical.

David C (75)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 9:41 am
good ideas....signed and after each question they can interrupt and give us the truth when time!

Jim P (3247)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 11:20 am
Petition signed.

Rmoney has lied so many times and has changed his stance on many issues that the fact checkers might have a hard time finding the truth... any truth...

Ty, Cal.

Vicky P (476)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 11:28 am
noted and signed

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 2:41 pm
Gladly signed. I doubt there would be that much truth in anything Romney says.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 2:43 pm
EVERYONE knows Obama can't run on his record even his own democrats. Thanks to "Fact Check" we know Romney is not telling any lies. However, Obama was Fact Checked on his convention speech...whew...should've seen those results!

Obama didn't bring up his legacy healthcare bill not one time during his fact, he DIDN'T MENTION HIS FAILED RECORD. Why? Because he couldn't. Think about it.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:00 pm
Sara, if you doubt Romney is not telling the truth then you simply aren't engaged in politics. You are simply guessing. The truth is out there.

Be informed. Do your research. Obama has failed and he has lied more than Bill Clinton who was actually impeached for lying under oath. And, yes, he was Obama's keynote impeached former president.

Christopher Fowler (82)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 3:50 pm
Signed, tweeted and shared on Facebook.

The GOP has already said that they do not care about running on facts. We need to hold them accountable to be truthful and honest during the debates.

The next step is to have a "truth in political advertising" law drawn up that prevents them from lying to us in the future.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 4:27 pm
Christopher, it goes both ways. Obama's speech has been Fact Checked. You need to read those results. The liberals are keeping their heads in the sand and not doing their due diligence. Joe Biden and Barack Obama aren't passing the Fact Check tests!

Kathlene L (30)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 4:27 pm
This would be a huge step in the right direction. Please let us get this proposal acted upon before the debates.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 4:40 pm
Christopher, I agree with the "truth in political advertising" law....big time!! The political ads from the left have been the worst ones this country has ever seen.

Fact Check that.

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 6:31 pm
Signed & Noted. At least Clinton, Obama and others at the Dem convention had facts in their speeches. The Reps were full of lies and way to run a country. Obama & Clinton released many years of tax returns...what about Willard's? Any woman who would consider voting for Willard is voting against her best interests. Here's a fact: Michelle Obama's speech was 7 grade levels higher than Ann Romney's. We can see who that party's pandering and fearmongering to.

Saturday September 8, 2012, 9:05 pm

Edith B (146)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 9:32 pm
signed and shared.

Fran F (116)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 10:22 pm
It's certainly about time for the return of fact checking, which used to be part of presidential candidates' debates and the nightly news before deregulation of the corporate media.

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday September 8, 2012, 10:37 pm
If inaccuracies are not challenged immediately, many will take what is said as gospel and we all know how Romney and Ryan like lying --- they are making it an art form. And I don't doubt there are some stretches on the Democratic side either. Too many Americans are just trying to get through the day in one piece and tend to be low-effort thinkers. If an error is not exposed right away, they may never hear the truth.

@ Diane O --- You might want to fact check your own comments! Clinton was impeached and went to trial, but he was not found guilty and was never removed from office. This from Wikipedia:
"... The Senate finished a twenty-one-day trial on February 12, 1999, with the vote (55 Not Guilty/45 Guilty) on both counts falling short of the Constitutional two-thirds majority requirement to convict and remove an officeholder. The final vote was generally along party lines, with no Democrats voting guilty, and only a handful of Republicans voting not guilty. ..."

I agree with Christopher F "The GOP has already said that they do not care about running on facts.". Not to mention that Romney and Ryan have both been caught in lies and distortions. Hell I think they will be in the Guiness Book of World Records for lying.

Carol H (229)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 4:26 am
signed and noted

Sharon F (0)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 4:35 am
Yes, yes, yes. Make them say only their own position on an issue, not waste time saying what they think the other person will do.

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 5:22 am
Can't sign as I am not American. But wish you luck. The GOP has already declared that fact checkers are not relevant to them. Maybe they should have tea-party gut feeling checkers specially for them?

Jason Green (235)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 6:12 am
Thanks for signing!

jan b (5)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 6:30 am
The republicans have become serial liars and we know people like that cannot be cured.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 7:16 am
Our fellow Republicans are living in Mitt and Ryanville and have know idea what the truth is. For this reason alone we need fact checkers. I almost feel sorry for them, they most be living on the planet Kolob with Mitt's leader Joesph Smith.

Susanne R (236)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 11:12 am
Diane O. --To say I'm surprised that you support fact-checking is quite an understatement! You seem to have forgotten that I fact-checked many of your "assertions" before the suggestion was made that fact-checkers be present at the debates --and I called you on several of them-- yet you've failed to respond in every case. So why the change of heart? And when are you going to substantiate the assertions I called you on with facts?

John B (185)
Sunday September 9, 2012, 6:39 pm
Thanks Cal for the link. Signed and noted.

. (0)
Monday September 10, 2012, 4:40 pm
Signed and Noted.

Charlene Rush (79)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 9:54 pm
The Democrats have a fantastic opportunity, to challenge the Tea Party Republican GOP on their 'platform' and their future plans for our citizens.
Considering they refuse to tell us what they have in mind, we may _assume_ the worst, otherwise, they would be happy to tell us their agenda.

Surely, any one desperate enough to vote for these lunatics, must really hate our 1/2 black President. The Republicans, normally, would NEVER permit a Morman to be in this positon if it wasn't for the race of President Obama. There is no doubt in my mind.

The elderly should be shaking in their shoes, at the possibility of the conservative right-wing gaining power. They would have to kiss your security blanket, good-by.

Onita Northington (44)
Friday September 14, 2012, 7:35 pm
Roseann, I love your suggestion. But the poor guys would be singing soprano, because none of them know the truth, especially Romney.

Sergio Padilla (65)
Tuesday September 18, 2012, 8:30 am

Susanne R (236)
Wednesday September 19, 2012, 10:22 pm
Diane: Did I read your comment correctly? Did you say "Thanks to 'Fact Check' we know Romney is not telling any lies."?

Well, FactCheck begs to differ:

In his acceptance speech for the Republican presidential nomination, former governor Mitt Romney focused more on his biography than his policy positions. But there were moments when his facts went awry or were missing important context.

Let’s take a tour through the rhetoric.

“And unlike the president, I have a plan to create 12 million new jobs.”

This sounds like a pretty bold statement, especially considering that only two presidents — Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton — created more than 12 million jobs. Romney, in fact, says he can reach this same goal, in just four years, though the policy paper issued by his campaign contains few details. It is mostly a collection of policy assertions, such as reducing debt, overhauling the tax code, fostering free trade and so forth.

But, in fact, the number is even less impressive than it sounds. This pledge amounts to an average of 250,000 jobs a month, a far cry from the 500,000 jobs a month that Romney once claimed would be created in a “normal recovery.” In recent months, the economy has averaged about 150,000 jobs a month.

The Congressional Budget Office is required to consider the effects of the so-called “fiscal cliff” if a year-end budget deal is not reached, which many experts believe would push the country into a recession. But even with that caveat, the nonpartisan agency assumes 9.06 million jobs will be created between 2013 and 2017. (This is a revision downward; CBO had estimated 11 million in January.)

But Moody’s Analytics, in an August forecast, predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016, no matter who is president. And Macroeconomic Advisors in April also predicted a gain of 12.3 million jobs.

In other words, this is a fairly safe bet by Romney, even if he has a somewhat fuzzy plan for action. We have often noted that presidents are often at the mercy — or are the beneficiary — of broad economic trends, and Romney’s pledge appears to be an effort to take advantage of that.

“I will begin my presidency with a jobs tour. President Obama began with an apology tour.”

This is one of Romney’s signature lines, but in a lengthy column last year, we tracked down every statement Obama uttered that partisans claim was an apology, and concluded that each one had been misquoted or taken out of context. His comments overseas were not much different than those of his predecessor, President George W. Bush.

Indeed, on several occasions Bush apologized to foreign governments for actions taken by U.S. soldiers, such as for the shooting of a Koran or prisoner abuse in Iraq. “I told him I was sorry for the humiliation suffered by the Iraqi prisoners and the humiliation suffered by their families,” Bush said at a news conference with Jordan’s King Abdullah.

Despite earning Four Pinocchios for this claim for months, Romney keeps saying it.

“Does it [the economy] fail to find the jobs that are needed for 23 million people and for half the kids graduating from college? No.”

Romney is referring to an Associated Press survey earlier this year that concluded that about 1.5 million, or 53.6 percent, of bachelor’s degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed. This was the highest level in 11 years, since the dot-com bust in 2000.

“A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don’t fully use their skills and knowledge,” the news agency said. “Young adults with bachelor’s degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that’s confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.”

Romney often cites this fact but is generally careful to include the phrase “underemployed.” His phrasing in his speech might have led viewers to believe that 50 percent of college graduates cannot find jobs at all, which is incorrect.

“His trillion-dollar cuts to our military will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs, and also put our security at greater risk.”

Romney here attributes planned cuts to the military entirely to Obama, but they actually are the result of a 2011 budget deal between Obama and congressional Republicans, which avoided a default on the national debt.

Leaders agreed to include additional automatic cuts to the military as an incentive to reach a broader budget deal, but a congressional “supercommittee” failed to reach an agreement. Obama has proposed raising taxes on the wealthy to end the impasse, but congressional Republicans have rejected that proposal.

“Unlike President Obama, I will not raise taxes on the middle class.”

Romney appears to be referring to mandates in the health-care law, but overall Obama has cut taxes broadly for the middle class. He has extended Bush tax cuts, included a “Making Work Pay” credit in the stimulus bill, and reduced payroll taxes by two percentage points in the past two years.

Obama has called for raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year.

“His $716 billion cut to Medicare to finance Obamacare will both hurt today’s seniors, and depress innovation — and jobs — in medicine.”

Republicans have repeatedly used variations of this line, but as we have noted it is not factually correct.

This $700 billion figure comes from the difference over 10 years (2013-2022) between anticipated Medicare spending (what is known as “the baseline”) and the changes that the law makes to reduce spending. The savings mostly are wrung from health-care providers, not Medicare beneficiaries — who, as a result of the health-care law, ended up with new benefits for preventive care and prescription drugs.

While it is correct that anticipated savings from Medicare were used to help offset some of the anticipated costs of expanding health care for all Americans, it does not affect the Medicare trust fund. In fact, the Obama health-care law also raised Medicare payroll taxes by $318 billion over the new 10-year time frame, further strengthening the program’s financial condition.

“Family income has fallen by $4,000, but health insurance premiums are higher, food prices are higher, utility bills are higher, and gasoline prices have doubled.”

Romney mixes in a number of correct claims here — such as the fact that incomes have kept falling since the recession officially ended in June 2009 — with one misleading statistic: “Gasoline prices have doubled.”

Gasoline was an average of $1.83 a gallon the day before Obama took the oath of office, but that was because of the economic crisis. Exactly four years ago, the average price was $3.67 — not much different than today’s price of $3.72. Gas prices had plunged after the collapse of Lehman Brothers sparked the crisis, reaching $1.59 a gallon by the end of December. So the dip was largely a temporary aberration.

(NOTE: As is our practice, we generally do not award Pinocchios in these instant round-ups.)
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