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Malaysia's Islamic Authorities Seize Bibles as Allah Row Deepens

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Islamic authorities in Malaysia on Thursday seized 321 Bibles from a Christian group because they used the word Allah to refer to God, signaling growing intolerance that may inflame ethnic and religious tension in the Southeast Asian country.


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Theodore Shayne (56)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 10:21 am
From Satanic Verses @ Wikipedia:
See the complete text of Tabarī's account below
There are numerous accounts reporting the incident, which differ in the construction and detail of the narrative, but they may be broadly collated to produce a basic account.[2] The different versions of the story are all traceable to one single narrator Muhammad ibn Ka'b, who was two generations removed from biographer Ibn Ishaq. In its essential form, the story reports that Muhammad longed to convert his kinsmen and neighbors of Mecca to Islam. As he was reciting Sūra an-Najm,[3] considered a revelation by the angel Gabriel, Satan tempted him to utter the following lines after verses 19 and 20:
Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzzá
and Manāt, the third, the other?
These are the exalted gharāniq, whose intercession is hoped for.
Allāt, al-'Uzzā and Manāt were three goddesses worshipped by the Meccans. Discerning the meaning of "gharāniq" is difficult, as it is a hapax legomenon (i.e. only used once in the text). Commentators wrote that it meant the cranes. The Arabic word does generally mean a "crane" - appearing in the singular as ghirnīq, ghurnūq, ghirnawq and ghurnayq, and the word has cousin forms in other words for birds, including "raven, crow" and "eagle".[4]
The subtext to the event is that Muhammad was backing away from his otherwise uncompromising monotheism by saying that these goddesses were real and their intercession effective. The Meccans were overjoyed to hear this and joined Muhammad in ritual prostration at the end of the sūrah. The Meccan refugees who had fled to Abyssinia heard of the end of persecution and started to return home. Islamic tradition holds that Gabriel chastised Muhammad for adulterating the revelation, at which point [Quran 22:52] is revealed to comfort him,
Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise.
Muhammad took back his words and the persecution of the Meccans resumed. Verses [Quran 53:21] were given, in which the goddesses are belittled. The passage in question, from 53:19, reads:
Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza

And Manat, the third, the other?
Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division!

They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:16 am
Not. Easy to a Christian in Malaysa

Hartson Doak (39)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 12:27 pm
That ruling that only Muslims can call Allah, Allah is amazingly stupid.

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:21 pm
This looks pretty seriously messed up. The bibles in question appear to have been written as an olive branch to the Islamic community. Of course, having Muslims accept such a thing from Christians would be disastrous for the hard-liners, so they responded harshly.

Gene J (286)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:58 pm
"That ruling overturned a court decision that allowed a Roman Catholic newspaper printed in Malay, the country's national language, to use Allah."

What a truly sick people we are. Fighting and jailing and killing each other over words, any words, is just insane. No group can "own" a word, the very idea is ridiculous, yet in these horrid places like Malaysia, they have been killing each other for centuries over words. As Christians have been doing for millennia. Whomever said "words can never hurt me" had best be rethinking that position. Damn fools that we are, we'll miss no opportunity to do each other harm and if we can't find a legitimate reason, then we'll do it over words. We are such complete idiots. How we ever managed to populate this planet will never stop astounding me, as obviously incompetent as we are to run anything without bloodshed. We don't deserve this planet, I think perhaps another species needs must arise because ours is too damn foolish to operate any form of planetary cooperation and respect without bringing out the bombs.

. (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 2:04 pm
Thanks Gene

Birgit W (160)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 2:08 pm
It is very sad that in the name of religion people kill each other. Why cannot people just respect each others view?

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 2:21 pm
Gene said it all

Patsy Olive (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 3:06 pm
Noted & tweeted thanks.

Judith C (159)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 4:37 pm
Extremely sad news.

Walter F (129)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 9:49 pm
Why use the name "allah "it is an islamic invention and means sweet nothing to us other than.we associate it with intolerance and acts of terror.A Jew or Christian would never use the name. There is the sacred Name we both revere but never utter.To harm or hurt in that Name is unthinkable,It would be the ultimate blasphemy.Our Islamics brothers happily shout "allah akbah" when they destroy infidel dissenters.

reft h (66)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:38 pm
thanks for the post

Past Member (0)
Friday January 3, 2014, 12:52 am
when your country is in trouble and your people are struggling with poverty the quickest way to deflect their anger is to start a religious war which is something Islamist s are very good at doing.

Tanya Selth (0)
Friday January 3, 2014, 1:37 am
Gene said it all

Tanya Selth (0)
Friday January 3, 2014, 1:41 am
"The raid comes after a Malaysian court in October ruled that the Arabic word was exclusive to Muslims"

Im wondering what would happen if someone who wasnt Muslim entered that country with their birth name Allah on the passport? Sounds like you'd end up in huge trouble. You'd probably be shot for it or something.

Julie W (33)
Friday January 3, 2014, 2:01 am
What a ridiculous thing to fight over! I know words can be powerful, but I doubt they meant any disrespect. And how can any one group 'own' a word?

Ruth R (246)
Friday January 3, 2014, 2:43 am
How Do You and/or We Plan to Prevent These an Other Atrocities From Happening Again -- All Around The World?

Are We So Helpless That We Cannot Defend Ourselves -- Within The Biblical Context -- Knowing that some are called to never defend and knowing -- that some are permitted to defend the flock -- from the wolves.

I know this is sad. The time is short. This must be brought up -- as some of you are the hands and feet and the servant of the Son of God, The Messiah, and some of the Promised Messiah -- So How Long Will You Stand By and Not Defend The Sheep From the Wolves?


Dogan Ozkan (5)
Friday January 3, 2014, 5:11 am

pam w (139)
Friday January 3, 2014, 8:42 am
Islam seeks control of every aspect of human life....including speech. There ARE no freedoms, other than to parrot the Quran and stifle everything else.

Marija M (25)
Friday January 3, 2014, 9:15 am
noted, tks

bob m (32)
Friday January 3, 2014, 3:33 pm

@ Ruth R...In a dream I was taken up above the earth; seated as it were out of body above the N. Atlantic.
As I looked to my right and over Europe , Russia, Mediterranean; I watched as a mixture of dark cloud, fog and smoke moved as a curtain from N.E. to S.W.
As it passed beneath me It was Given to me an understanding; these clouds which will cover the earth are as a humus , as a garden of times which even now are upon us in which things of great tribulation Are upon the earth.
The eyes of my understanding perceived deep with the soil of these times seed- lets which shone as silver and gold .... these ; I understood were the Words and lives of the Children of The Lord which are the things of Faith by the Word of The Lamb; in the work of the Purposes of the Father, Son, and Spirit.. this (a seed must go into the ground and die ) is the stuff of Glory to the Lamb of God ...even in His time as He works toward a NEW Heaven and Earth... He Is Lord.. He will complete the GOOD work He has begun in us..
Without doubt His Glory shall be From Everlasting unto everlasting..(Jesus the Son..)..His Name is above every name that is Named.. of this I am confident... With Joy....Maranatha.
Ruth: read Romans 10... Lord keep us in the Way we should go.
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