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The End of Tolerance? Anti-Muslim Movement Rattles Germany

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Disenchanted German citizens and right-wing extremists are joining forces to form a protest movement to fight what they see as the Islamization of the West. Is this the end of the long-praised tolerance of postwar Germany?


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Roger G (148)
Monday December 22, 2014, 1:30 pm
noted, thanks

Walter F (129)
Monday December 22, 2014, 4:41 pm
This disenchantment is not limited to Germany it is spreading worldwide...We are all getting sick and tired of the progressive islamism of our countries

Dina Mattas (4)
Monday December 22, 2014, 4:43 pm
Agree with Walter. Thanks Cal Noted

Lona G (67)
Monday December 22, 2014, 8:18 pm
In the 1930s, it was the Jews the right-wing populist politicians agitated against to divert the anger of the impoverished populace away from their 1%, blaming them for everything that was wrong. Now it is the Muslims that get blamed to divert attention. Then this wasn't restricted to Germany, just as it isn't restricted to it now. Blaming a visible minority is a tactic used many times by governments all over the world when economies fail and people are starting to vent their anger.

. (0)
Monday December 22, 2014, 9:22 pm
It isn't even new, just ask the refugees and immigrants who flooded into Germany and other European nations 20 years ago. Nor is it a problem to be taken lightly by the countries who take in people who can not or will not conform to the culture of the host country.

Ana MESNER (201)
Monday December 22, 2014, 10:30 pm
Noted, thank you Cal

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 12:43 am
This is not surprising it was only a matter of time for the backlash to begin.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 1:07 am
So, Neo-Nazism vs. Islamic Fundamentalism, or ISIS.

Hent catalina - maria (95)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 1:56 am

Stan B (123)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 1:56 am
Right on, Alfred. I just hope it's not too late.

Beth S (330)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 5:26 am
No, they are not neo-Nazis. The vast majority of them are middle of the road and even somewhat on the left.

They are tired of being ramrodded by the Extreme Left, The Politically Correct Elite, and of course, Islamists. The West is being Islamized. Europe has sold its own out. I am extremely happy to see this movement, because it is not made of skin heads and right-wing radicals, but by normal people.

War veterans are homeless, while Muslim immigrants get free housing, welfare, health care, education. The natives are being cheated right and left. There are thousands of articles on this.

The rape crime in many European countries is sky high, and some 90% of it on average are committed by Muslims against non-Muslim natives.

May this peaceful, non-violent, completely appropriate series of demonstration take root, flourish and spread all over the world, wherever people truly love freedom.

Marianne R (95)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 6:13 am
I totally have to agree with PEGIDA and would join their demonstrations in a heartbeat. Thank you for the link, Cal

Arild Gone for now (174)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 7:11 am
We see this all over Europe.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 8:49 am
So the soft-hearted Europeans are finally realizing the price they're having to pay for their munificence? Will they take action and will the rest of the world learn a lesson from Europe's experience before it's too late?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 9:31 am
The infiltration of Muslims in European countries is a serious problem. Countries are now beginning to wake up.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 9:49 am
Time to round 'em up and deport them back to their own countries. Why should other countries have to support them? They can't hold jobs and many do not have an education. This is a "movement" by the Muslim people to take over countries which is consistent with the teaching in the Koran.

Thomas M (8)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 12:54 pm
European and other western nations are getting fed up to the gills with their basic cultures being infringed on and Sharia Law, honor killings, etc., etc., etc. It would be wonderful if the radical side of every culture and religion backed off and enjoyed life in the free lane. If you live in a place and try to force your religion and beliefs on others to include killing people because of it, you should probably not be allowed to live in that nation. Accept this backlash and if you don't assimilate it will be bad news for whomever lives there. Religion is personal, let's keep it that way.

Henrik Thorsen (31)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 1:28 pm
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody. I'm sure the vast majority of these protesers are not in any way right wing extremists but rather concerned citizens - and with good reason.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 1:34 pm
They should all drop out of the European Union and lock down their borders and THEN deport the people who are classic freeloaders on the taxpayer's dime. Open borders doesn't work. I don't know why countries don't understand what happens....freeloaders cross over and expect to receive free housing, food and healthcare. Who pays for that? The US is tired of it, too.

Michael M (60)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:15 pm
Some comments above certainly illuminate their composers to a small extent.

Organised religions appeared in the Tigris-Euphrates city states (we could discuss elsewhere as well, but I'd take up way too much time) back when the rising and falling rivers were associated with power/spirit goddess (yeah a number of the first were genertative and thus imagined as female, in that arid floodplain land.

The abrahamic religion was pretty bossy and patriarchal. (Hebiru is an Akkadian word meaning "dusty nomads" or "dirty travelers")
The one with whom Abe made an agreement, YHVH, was just one of many of the Elohim - gods, powers - that, to them, existed. Yahveh was a fire god, smoking in the day and lighting up the imaginary mental directions of Moses when he led them from plague-ridden urban Nile Egypt.

Later, , much later, the Romans conquered the area - that was an economic thing - empires, as Americans and Brits know, have to feed off colonies, and have to keep the dissidents in check to keep the wealthy wealthy back home.
The Hebiru who had long landed in a nice valley belonging to the Philistines (I am not kidding in this. The Palestinians are still known to themselves 2200 or 2300 years later as Philistine. So they caught the invasion twice.), had their own economy, and disliked, as colonized do, being ruled as stringently as did the Romans (Pax Romana & all that peace required as many as 2400 crucifixions in a day. Yesh'ua was just a collective image of numerous dissenters, His legend is, you MUST admit, rather communistic, and the richer Hebiru didn't like any Gandhian ML King, or Che Guevara-type socialists at all. So he was well-hung, in their eyes)

Well Rome overreached, having overexploited Mediterranean resources and teh centuries of steppe horse people along with the forest peoples North, cost them too much in "defense" appropriations. These past decades you have seen Balkanization and racism undiminished by us Peace-&-Love generations, so you know the fate of THAT empire.
But before that in about 77 CE, the Hebiru rose up, and rome crushed em and intending to fix the issue like the modern Soviets, exiled and spread their population about. Canaan/Israel was no longer theirs.
It always takes a few generations for things to happen, and the Arabs, their relatives learned much about trading East to West, and had a bit of population explosion themselves, down on the peninsula 9Sometimes climate changes around the Med, but I won't discuss that.

So up comes a tribal guy, who was also a wealthy trading family,. His name was Mo.

He appears to have been one of those Bipolar I types (Joe Smith, perhaps the epileptic Saul/Paul, and many others who did the nutwork in creating literate religion, show significant signs of this disorder - I studied abnormal psychology, but not for therapeutic purposes; therefore my language expression to you is rather colloquial in intent), and did not himself write down his "illuminations."
Karl Rove -types do that, marketing their personal social climbing through using ikons like Yesh'ua, Reagan, Cowboy Bush. Some did that qith Mohammed, although he himself was pretty feisty, getting in armed arguments - it was all pretty tribal over there, and his family did well in violent dispute.

I write at length here to show you how Muslims do not differ from your own religions, social climbing, etc.
I take exception tothe official Muslim calim of the earth popping out of some god's butt a mere 6k years ago. Did you know that?
They are institutionally anti-evolution, even when most obese of them and you are alive because of applied knowledge of DNA, artificial and natural selection, and creation of cheap insulin without tearing pancreas out of innocent dogs and things.

Racism is a way in which we both claim resources, and claim a right to do violence, to Others with whom we compete for oil and stuff.

I am no fan of ignorant religious nuts, and, have extreme distaste for the thoughtless tribalism teaching intolerance itself to people's children.

What you are really seeing, though, is intrahuman competition for exploitable resources, lebensraum (look it up), social status. his is whaat happens to a species experiencing insufficient predation.

there are 7 BILLION humans, and the proper ecological carrying capacity is perhaps more like a few million.

Numerous lab experiments with rats have shown very similar psychological aberration in that species, with your own. there is NO substantial difference, in this temporary experiment of creation and maintenance of humans in massive, unrelieved socially stressful , well, urbanity.
(Pun intended)

Michael M (60)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:22 pm
Oh the typographity of my errors!

Roslyn M (30)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:44 pm
Noted - would not like to see Germany becoming anti-Muslim, or anti-anyone again.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:55 pm

Michael, what "race" is Islam again?


Birgit W (160)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:56 pm
The former East German people have to get used to living with people from other countries.
We are all equal, and have to respect each other.
However, people who are living in another country have to show respect. People cannot force their religion and believes on others, including killing people. Those are fanatics, which we have all over the planet.
Forget religions. PEACE!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:56 pm
It's about the math. Countries cannot absorb full financial responsibility for immigrants. Plus, many cross the borders not speaking the language, no education and no hope of getting a job in that country. They are like parasites. Then their culture kicks in and fanatic religious beliefs like "Sharia Law" and they focus on changing that country to the teaching of the Koran.

I hope Americans are watching and learning.

Syd H (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 2:57 pm
The REAL problem of immigration, is due to TRAITORS within the Political establishment in all the Westernised Nations who have in the main, flatly REFUSED to listen to the concerns and worries of their countries own people and are too blind or stupid (probably both) to see that each nation must put the welfare of its OWN people FIRST.
These Political TRAITORS have allowed and seriously encouraged the mass economic immigration into the western countries, of people whose cultures, religions (mainly muslim), philosophies, work ethic, dietary requirements and almost every other aspect of their lives, is INCOMPATIBLE with those of the nations indigenous people. In recent days, weeks, months, and even years, we have clearly had this incompatibility between immigrants and indigenous people demonstrated in various parts of America, Canada, Australia, Britain, France, Belgium and many other places, where Muslim immigrants have taken great pleasure in slaughtering both Police officers and civilians on the streets of our towns and cities.
While there is room in every nation, for a limited amount of generosity / charity on the grounds of offering TEMPORARY sanctuary to people who are destitute due to natural disasters, war, famine, etc. BUT as soon as the war, famine or whatever is ended and it is considered by international bodies such as the Red Cross and United Nations, to be reasonably safe for the refugees to return to their home lands then they should be returned, to assist in the rebuilding of their home nation.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 3:03 pm
I hope countries being overrun with these immigrants leave the EU. Once they leave the EU they can button up their borders and regain control of their countries. Countries do not have to "tolerate" illegal immigrants. When it impacts their economy funding freeloaders then they have a right to protect their economy. Redistributive wealth never works. Never. France raised taxes on the rich to 75% and many of the rich simply packed up and took their businesses and jobs to another country. That is the way it works. Now, France is reconsidering and will be dropping the 75% tax on the rich's income.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 3:05 pm
BIG GREEN STAR, SYD. Well stated and I agree!

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday December 23, 2014, 3:41 pm

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 24, 2014, 4:37 am
Thank you.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 24, 2014, 8:03 am

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 24, 2014, 1:38 pm
Forget the fact that the Muslims you write about are about 1% of the world Muslim population Just the fact you are opening Anti-Muslim museums is enough to fan the fires. Terrorists are terrorist.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday December 24, 2014, 5:14 pm
Thomas. Just for the record, Muslims make up 23% of the world's population, not 1%.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Thursday December 25, 2014, 10:32 pm

EVERYTHING fans the fire with Muslims.


Stan B (123)
Friday December 26, 2014, 12:29 pm
Except love, compassion and tolerance, Patricia.
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