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Israeli Settlers Plan March to Palestinian Towns.


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Elias
- 2864 days ago - maannews.net
Israeli settlers are preparing to march on Israeli army command offices and Palestinian towns in the West Bank starting Tuesday afternoon, Israeli media reported on Sunday. Please check out my first comment.



   

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Elias Ayad (49)
Sunday September 18, 2011, 11:31 pm
If we get a State, very good…. If we get a veto excellent

Chief Editor – Maannews: The movement to the UN was an advice given by the left-wing intellectuals for several years led by the late George Habash, and our liberal friends such as South Africa, which was liberated using this way 20 years ago. And accepted by the Palestinian leadership as an international and civilized move to bring the justice to Palestine and its just cause and is another nail in the coffin of the occupation.

Here we are going with Mr. President, are going to prove to the world that the people of Palestine recovered, and overcome the internal problems, we are a united people and respect the democratic choice, and if the occupation doesn’t separate Gaza from West Bank and Jerusalem, the differences between Fatah and Hamas is less than the differences between the Likud and Labor party.

We are going to the world, to demand our rights and the freedom to our children, we are not going to ask for money, nuclear submarines, and we do not ask for weapons, not oil, but we are going to ask for freedom from the nightmare of the occupation, we demand the right of our children in travel and the end of the siege, to have a seaport, and airport, a helicopter, a train and a ship, to have a zoo and a capital, like all the people of the world, to have a civilian aircraft carrying our passengers, to have a house with no one storm it at night.

Does this hurt the feeling of the western officials? Is this incompatible with the principles of the White House?
That we get a state, it is very good, and we prove our right in spite of Netanyahu and Lieberman and before the eyes of the entire world we will shout, “Peace unto the State of Palestine and its capital, Jerusalem” then we begin the preparations for international conferences to implement this promise.

But if we were struck with the US Veto, prevented us from our state, this is excellent, because the entire nations of the world then will reveal the real face of the US administration as it is the sponsor of the occupation not the sponsor of negotiations, and then we will be free to choose another sponsor for the peace process or what’s left of it, and the Palestinian leadership will be free to meet with the Palestinian factions to decide the future of our cause away from the US illusion, and will lose the veto, but will win ourselves another time in front of our people and the peoples of the world.

The original Arabic article;
http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=420650

****Related reading****

A joint statement by Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican and Lutheran priests pledged their "support for the diplomatic efforts being deployed to win international recognition for the State of Palestine... on the June 1967 borders with Jerusalem as our capital."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=421319

****Please take action****

“We urge you to endorse the legitimate bid for recognition of the state of Palestine and the reaffirmation of the rights of the Palestinian people. It is time to turn the tide on decades of failed peace talks, end the occupation and move towards peace based on two states.”

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?rc=fb&pv=99


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Kim O (396)
Sunday September 18, 2011, 11:53 pm
Noted and signed for sure! Thanks for sending, Elias!!!
 

Sandra T (126)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:20 am
954,361 signatures when I signed the petition, this goal will be reached beyond the required number of 1,000.000 in only a short amount of time,and way beyond.

Thank you dear Elias for this wonderful article and links. Keep praying for Justice and Peace my brother. Peace and Love. :)
 

Susan L (150)
Monday September 19, 2011, 1:56 am
signed and noted
 

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:10 am
oh, them "Israeli 'settlers'' shouldn't they --politically maybe more correct-- be called ''inhabitants of Jewish neighbourhoods'' ..

.. just to make sure, that they are not perceived as what they are: occupation forces and land robbers.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:17 am
Thank you dear friends for your support, Sure Sanrda, together we will make it.

Related C2NN post to the main article, by Margaret M.

IDF: “We Don’t Do Ghandi Very Well”
http://www.care2.com/news/member/456093751/2936083

Please note Margaret's first comment.

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Michela M (3964)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:34 am
SIGNED and Noted!!! Thanks!!!
 

Michela M (3964)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:37 am
SIGNED USING DIFFERENT EMAILS and Noted!!! Thanks!!!
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:50 am
In addition to the terror of the IDF and the Israeli Settlers, there is a real terror by the governments, Israeli, European ans US, they forgot every diplomacy and used the words of the mafia to threaten Abbas if he went to the UN. "matters will be bad" if he went to the UN. what is that?!!! are we dealing with civilized politicians or with mafia?!!

The settlers from this side, the IDF from that side and the Mafia leader from the third side?!! all that because the Palestinians want their right to live in free and peaceful state?!! this is a real blockade to every peaceful movement, this is a real indicator that they don't want peace and don't work for it, and block every one try to achieve it.

Read the full article;

Abbas defiant as "all hell" breaks out over UN plan
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=421497

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Cheree M (46)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:07 am
Noted, TY
 

patricia lasek (317)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:19 am
972,388 have signed the petition. Help us reach 1,000,000.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:28 am
Already signed, but I noted this article. Thanks, Elias. =)
 

Mike S (86)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:43 am
Signed and noted. Thank you Elias.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:54 am
Now we have 981,912 we are so close to the 1,000,000, thank you very much my friends.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 8:26 am
last year on Sep 23, 2010, Obama wants Palestine to join United Nations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbDROdqfLR4&feature=player_embedded#!

Mr. Obama will you keep your promise?!!!

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Sheryl G (359)
Monday September 19, 2011, 8:41 am
987,356 have signed the petition. Help us reach 1,000,000
Thank you and Carole for the forward.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday September 19, 2011, 9:05 am
Looks like only a matter of time until Luke 21:20 is fulfilled and Jerusalem is surrounded by armies, to scare the hell out of the same kind of people who killed their last king. That is when In see the world court of Daniel 7 sitting, to give the kingdoms to those who have done the deeds of Abraham.

Daniel 12:1
 

Susanne R (236)
Monday September 19, 2011, 9:46 am
993,846 have signed the petition. Help us reach 1,000,000.

Thank you, Elias and Sandra! The ticker was moving quickly. Best of luck!
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday September 19, 2011, 9:49 am
Keep your eyes on Ethiopia, for if it erupts as Egypt and Libya, we are looking at Daniel 11:40-45...with the lost jewel of Daniel 12:3 to follow a little while latter, when those with insight shall shine brightly and lead many to righteousness, by all mankind sharing all of the world.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday September 19, 2011, 9:52 am
Why is Israel still a member of the UN when it has been breaking every international law possible ever since it came into being?
 

wooddragon xx (88)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:17 am
Cheers Elias...

Signed, tweeted, FBed... 997,026 and rising... :0)
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:19 am
Thank you, Sandra T. for bringing your friends' attention to this thread.
And thank you, Elias, for ther article, as well, of course, your courage and dedication.
Noted and previously signed the petition....

Namaste
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:32 am

Woo Hoo!

1,000,000 (and rapidly rising)!

New Goal: 1,200,000.

 

Sandra T (126)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:45 am
Elias, our good friend Toni is not well and I would like to use this opportunity to ask everyone who can to say a prayer for her and send her some good and loving thoughts.

She would have been one of the first to give her support on this thread if she were well and we miss her very much.

We wish you a speedy recovery dearest Toni, and you are here on this thread with all the rest of us :))
 

. (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:57 am
These settlers aren't defending themselves - they're putting themselves in a position to be the attacker. And if they commit any violence they'll deserve any violence the Palestinians hit back with. It's one thing to be prepared for a possible attack in a situation like this - but not to simply march on Palestinian towns like they're planning on doing.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday September 19, 2011, 11:12 am
Thank you for signing this petition. (If you accidentally sign a petition twice, you'll only be counted once.)-
Mr Obama has apparently changed his minds or was brainwashed on several matters-what a shame.

"...The news site quoted a settlement security officer saying they were prepared to use live ammunition on Palestinian demonstrators, as settlers felt the Israeli army were "too trusting" of Palestinian security to deter potential marches on the settlements. "
Dèja vu? Isn't this much of the same situation we just witnessed somewhere else, rather close in the area?
But there were NATO forces coming to help in the other case...What a shame with Nato still being just a jump away but NOT getting involed to help where help may be needed! The perversity of Middle East politics by the US and Europe.
While they are chasing and trying to capture Gaddhafi they should take Netanjahu along with them and prosecute both.
 

Lisa Neste (202)
Monday September 19, 2011, 11:21 am
Noted, didn't see a petition to sign. Thanks Elias & Carole for the forward.
 

Pat B (354)
Monday September 19, 2011, 11:50 am
Thank you, Elias for this. Signed, and am passing on!!! Lisa, the petition link is in Elias' first comment. Here it is:
ttp://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?rc=fb&pv=99

 

Pat B (354)
Monday September 19, 2011, 11:51 am
Oops:..... it's: http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?rc=fb&pv=99

 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:03 pm
Thank you very very much my friends for your support, now we have 1,007,846 signature, help us to achieve 1,200,000. by sharing and forwarding. We will make it. Yes... We will see the State of Palestine this month... Our long dream will be reality my friends.

Free free Palestine!!!!
Free free Palestine!!!!

Palestine State no. 194 of the UN.
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Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:15 pm
Yes Lisa, it's in my first comment and in Gran comment too, Just copy the link and paste it in the address field of your internet explorer.

Lindsey they burned 180 dunums planed with olive trees in southern city of Nablus this night.
And Yes Angelika, They are using every mean to turn the Palestinians from their peaceful protest to the violence supported by the IDF.

Hope the patience to fill the Palestinians hearts to not respond to the IDF-Settlers blackmail and keep going in their peaceful movement.

I believe that our solidarity and prayers will reach them in their hard situation to keep them stronger.

Viva Palestina !
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Andreas Haase (14)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:16 pm
Signed and noted. Thank you
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:21 pm
Sandra, I'm so sorry for our friend Toni, yes she would be one of the first supporters to this movement, All my sincere prayers for her to recover soon and return to us in good health.

Here is Care2 candle site; Please light a candle and send to her your prayers and wishes to be in good health soon.For our friend Toni;

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Care2

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Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:23 pm
Already signed & I am forwarding your news as well my Dear brother!
A free Palestine! Yes we can!
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:27 pm
These illegal settlers have no right to even be there. It is a military occupation and settlements are illegal under the 4th Geneva Convention and International humanitarian law (as confirmed by an ICJ ruling). This is blatant troublemaking.

Please get well soon dear Toni. We miss your loving and wise posts here. Sending prayers.
 

Michael Carney (217)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:40 pm
Noted, and will sign...Thanks, Elias, and thanks Carole, for the forward...
 

. (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:42 pm
signed
#1,011,466
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:51 pm
I noted but could not find where to sign.
 

Roger G (148)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:56 pm
thanks
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Monday September 19, 2011, 12:58 pm
Here is the link dear Michael;

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?rc=fb&pv=99

Just copy and paste it in the address field of your internet explorer. And thank you very much for your support and great comments, Care2 doesn't allow me to send you another Green Star this week, but you deserve more my friend.

Great information from you Scott, thank you.
Thanks also for Michael C. and Zoe and everyone signed this petition and noted this thread.

EA

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Lynn S (235)
Monday September 19, 2011, 1:02 pm
IT'S OVER 1 MILLION!!!!!
1,012,872 SIGNERS AND GROWING!

I just found out that Canada is standing against Palestinian statehood and I am ashamed of my government. I think it based more on the US stance than anything else.
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:03 pm
Gladly signed. Every US citizen should be inscened and livid how a foriegn leader, Netanyahu first upstages our president at a joint session of congress and now have our President lock step with Israeli policy of vetoeing policies that the US have promoted, which is a policy against illegal settlements and for a two state solution.

Why are we paying taxes to the US treasury if Israel is in control of our presidents action at the UN? We might as well send our taxes directly to the Israeli treasury.

Then you have the spectacle of almost our entire congress going on a junket to Israel during the congressional break sponsored by the lobbying group AIPAC while Americans are out of work and 1 in 6 American have fell below the poverty line.
 

Bob A (47)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:06 pm
Lindsey, Israels farmers are more worried by Palestinian Arabs stealing their cattle or attacking them them physically than venturing into Arab villages. IDF is too politically correct thanks to the pressure put up by the Islamic Lobby in US, and it tries to ignore all violations and property crimes, perpetrated by Palestinian Arabs

This article is from maanews, another one from hundreds of Islamist PR sites. I suggest you double check the truth in their articles, because usually they are blatant distortions.

I am happy Premier Harper knows Truth from Lie.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:22 pm
Bob Algeron, maybe you should educate yourself as we have a Prime Minister Stephen Harper & he is as the USA president just a Illuminati puppet. He knows only how to take orders & your ignorance is rampant!
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:33 pm

You cannot currently send a star to Henriette because you have done so within the last week.

 

Bob A (47)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:35 pm
Henriette, illuminati puppet would follow Islamic Lobby instead - it can provide much better support and financial base. Just look how diplomats from EU countries with significant Muslim population behave. No one in Israel gives commands, because no one would listen to those commands.

Otherwise, Israel would not be forced now to give its land for 23-rd Arab state, second state of Palestinian arabs, at a time when land mass occupied by Arab states is 10,000 bigger than the land mass of Israel.

You can blame "rampant ignorance", but I don't believe stupid conspiracy theories, contradicting common sense. And I won't.





 

Sam H (410)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:38 pm
What if the Palestinians decide to treat the Israelis the same way the Israelis are treating the Palestinians?
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:45 pm
Bob, if you can name the last king to have sat on David's Throne, I would listen. Good luck with that.

Who are we?
 

Bob A (47)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:47 pm
Sam, then there would be peace on the spot.

BTW, the name Palestine was given Romans to The Land of Israel, so Israelis are the true Palestinians.

 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:56 pm
Palestine has every right in the world to petition the U.N.

Just as Israel did in 1947 or 48
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1065)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:56 pm
Of course, Elias, the Likud and Labor Party aren't killing each other like Hamas and Fatah did when it came to matters political control for so many years.

This UN statehood maneuver is real tripe because the deal that matters is the one that is made on the ground where the power really exists and negotiations should be going on even now. Instead, this nonsense is high on symbolism and low on practical results on the ground where millions of Palestinian who deserve a state can expect to get just the same old unfilled promises from their leaders because the only change will come through negotiations they refuse to resume or war with Israel which they will lose yet again. And we know how good the track record has been for the second option, don't we?
 

(0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 4:30 pm
Cal - There have been years of negotiations with no result. If you want to pull out the arguments how Israel negotiated in good faith and the Palestinians didn't, I will have no problem demonstrating (using statements made by the Israel negotiation team and statements from the US who were involved at the time) that Israel has never negotiated in good faith. In addition, how can you expect anyone to negotiate with a country who refused to stop illegal activity of settlement building while negotiations are supposedly going on?

Concessions have never been made by Israel. Give back the Palestinian land which they have been legally ruled on as theirs is not a concession. It is returning stolen goods. They are two different things. As for your statement of the Likud and Labour Party aren't killing each other, well it is pretty dysfunctional for the moral light, the beacon, the only democracy in the Middle East.

What is completely disgusting about this article is that you seem to have no problem with armed settlers to march and incite violence against people who have no arms (except rocks) While the France branch of the Jewish Defense League (classified as a terrorist organization by the United States and is responsible for terrorist acts within the United States) is joining the settlers to help protect them, the settlers are being supplied with attack dogs and the IDF is performing settler training, any reasonable person would come to the conclusion "whom is really inciting violence". Further, it is just fine for armed settlers to roam the West Bank at will, but Palestinians are not allowed in the settlements? Big walls and fences, armed guards, armed settlers, no entry to "that kind" reeks of apartheid.

The sad reality is, that even though the Palestinians are taking the democratic route by asking the UN to grant full membership, it will still be demonized by those who have no problem with the level of violence demonstrated by these crazies we call settlers.

It is a reality that Abbas will not return to the West Bank with the Palestinian State, but it certainly will be a game changer. Why do you think Israel and the US are trying so hard to avoid this whole event. They will know there will be no state, but they are certainly going to be feeling a lot of heat from the rest of the world. Even worse, this is what will end the two state solution and there will be a tremendous push for one bi-national state which defeats the whole purpose of the "Jewish State". If Bibi was smart at all, he would start trying to have the US not veto the Palestinian's request and allow for the creation of the Palestinian State. What follows is going to be the beginning of the end.
 

Richard Smith (81)
Monday September 19, 2011, 4:33 pm
Peace and freedom for all who WANT to live peacefully in the Middle East,
and may oppression become only that dark shadowy memory saved
to keep it from ever happening against children born today.
 

Iona K (129)
Monday September 19, 2011, 4:49 pm
Beautifully said Richard. Thank you Elias for this story and the links. This is an old wrong that must be made right.
 

Bob A (47)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:00 pm
Margaret, if you consider all Israeli land stolen, then anything Israel does is not a concession. You have to understand, that Israelis and many others do NOT consider the land in question as belonging to Arabs. Yes, this is a difference in our positions. And if I, knowing that Gaza is now mine, am giving it to you hoping that now you will be doing something reciprocate, then I AM making you a concession, because I simply could NOT give it to you.

Palestinian Arabs want a lot. Israel cannot give them everything they want. They can declare their state 100 times, takes things to courts without jurisdiction, grab more UN money - Israel still won't be able to accommodate their demands.

Israel and US are trying hard to keep the old agreements, singed by Palestinian Arabs. If they reject and do something to break the status quo - nobody knows what will happen and another war may likely to happen. Should it be the case - the output can be a merge of West Bank and Jordan, and closing this long conflict.

That option would be preferable for both Israel, Jordan (if it gets all UNWRA $$) and forces of stability in the ME. Bibi is smart enough to know that, but he still have hopes to avoid the coming war.



 

TERRANCE N (65)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:07 pm
Cal, how did Israel get it's independence? Did Israel have to negotiate with it's Palestinian or Arab neighnors? No. Israel declared it's independence and was backed by the US, England, and voted in at the UN security council.

Israel has gone on to violated more sanctions, backed up primiarily by the US, than any other nation at the UN. This should be definite grounds for expulsion. But a criminal feels itself outside of the law which other nations have to abide by.

Now, Turkey, formily one of Israel's main allies in the middle east has felt the sting of this rogue racist ragime as it's people were murdered on the Morvi Marva freedom flotilla.

Now America, broke, fighting three wars mainly because of Israel finds itself in a situation were it's the US and Israel against the world. The only option left because of Israel is conflict and war. Thanks to Israel and US spinelessness.
 

michael sullivan (1022)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:10 pm
looks like an invasion to me -- noted -- no petition to sign!
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal M (1065)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:17 pm
Terrance, the alternative is and always has been negotiations and I do favor two states, one for each people. There'ss enough blame to go around as you know.
 

David C (75)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:26 pm
very sad about the trees....I favor two states, but will only say that when this occurs then it will be upon the governments of both sides to act appropriately and peacefully....
 

Tania King (112)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:57 pm
brilliants as always,my dear elias...couln't find the petition to sign!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:59 pm
We, naturally, support these Jewish settlers in their endeavours in their "sovereignty march' and hope there will be a peaceful outcome. The land is rightfully theirs anyway - never was a state called Palestine. Probably because of the mayhem they manage to cause wherever they settle. Stars to Cal and Bob.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:07 pm
Sometimes people like you patrica and edw jones make me think that a one-state solution is the way to go.
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:08 pm
If Netanyahu says he is for a two state settlement, and Obama says he is, and you say you are; why can't the Palestinians declare a state that you agree with, and at the same time have negotiations on final borders?

Unless the goal of the US and Israel is really to block a two state in the first place. Negotiations can't be avoided. The only reason negotiations are not taking place is simply because Israel would rather build illegal settlements.

People in Israel/Palestine are aware of this contradiction, the world community are aware, orly the American people have to wakeup. Unfortunately, we in America have been brainwashed and denied the truth of the situation because of the corporate media. But Americans are waking up slowly to this discrepencies in coverage in favor of Israel.
 

tracey p (81)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:13 pm
Palestine must be recognised as a state. To fail to acknowledge it as such is racist and unacceptable. To say there never was a Palestine is beyond arrogance. How did Israel come to be ? They just took land by force and were backed by the military might of Britain and USA, amongst others. Palestine and the Palestinian people MUST be recognised by the UN. The intimidation, by Israelis, of an already subjugated people is shameful. Israelis are the homeowners ? Yes, but by what means ? I hope for full recognition of the State of Palestine.
I am shocked by some of the deeply racist attitudes in certain comments here.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:18 pm
Of course I agree with you, TERRANCE.

But that closed-minded Tasmanian lady made me rethink my position. If there’s going to be only one state, it should be a Palestinian state where everyone lives in peace and harmony unencumbered by self-declared divine rights.
 

Vijay Tankha (28)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:08 pm
For those of you too young to remember what happened, please read Leon Uris' Exodus. Maybe two thousand years was a long break but it's time the real people possessed their land. Better still go to the real perpetrators of this mess, the ones who are hoist on their own petard now, the British.
 

Jelica R (144)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:11 pm
Here is my Palestine Statehood Petition collection. Some petitions are several months old and might be closed, I didn't checked after I've signed them.

Jewish Voice for Peace: Tell Clinton and Rice "It's Time."

Just Foreign Policy: Tell Washington: Don’t Veto Palestinian Independence!

Peace Happens Limited: Declare a Palestinian State - vote now

The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs: Urging President Obama to Support a Palestinian State in the U.N.

The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation: Don’t Set a Timetable on Another’s Freedom

Change.org: Don’t Set a Timetable on Another’s Freedom

J Street: Stand up for two states

Avaaz: 24 hours left -- Palestine: the world's next nation

AAPER: Support Palestinian Rights to Seek UN Recognition

------ Avaaz Video Recognize Palestine -- New Path to Peace

Other petitions:

Please protect Palestinian children

Stop Jailing Palestinian Minors for Throwing Stones

>> info: Defence for Children International – Palestine Section; European Parliament Sub-Committee on Human Rights Hearing: 15 March 2011 Palestinian Child Prisoners

Israel: Don't deport me from the land where I was born

AAPER: URGE U.S. TO SUPPORT UN RESOLUTION AGAINST SETTLEMENTS

Support Israeli Peace Activists Who Keep West Bank Settlements in Check

Ask TIAA-CREF to divest from the Elbit Systems Ltd.
 

Tim C (2420)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:23 pm
thanks
 

Jelica R (144)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:28 pm
@Denise, instead of reading fiction, try this:

Palestinian Child Prisoners.
 

Ralph F (70)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:29 pm
May I ask, "Where are the borders of the Israeli nation?" Or, is that question considered, "anti-Semitic?"
 

Sam H (410)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:37 pm
Even "All men are created equal" is anti-Semitic, Ralph!
 

Bob A (47)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:49 pm
Palestnian state must at least accept all palestinian refugees, like Israel accepted Jewish refugees. As of now, the Islamists creating this state refused to do that. So, in a year or two, new Islamists will come to create another Palestinian state, to settle those forgotten refugees? And to do that, they will want another piece of Israeli land?
 

Sam H (410)
Monday September 19, 2011, 7:50 pm
Thanks Jelica. Leon Uris wrote fiction. You’d think our friend Denise is aware of that.

“…but it's time the real people possessed their land.” How bigoted is that? Palestinians must be fake people to her.

It is the Zionists who are “hoist” with their own petard. Or cluster bombs, really!
 

Jelica R (144)
Monday September 19, 2011, 8:22 pm
It sickens me when Palestinians are paying NOW for wrongs done by other peoples in the PAST. There is no excuse, especially when children are targeted, as documented by the EU Human Rights Committee Report; Palestinian Child Prisoners.
 

Dogan Ozkan (5)
Monday September 19, 2011, 8:48 pm
noted and signed
 

TomCat S (123)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:31 pm
Have already been there and signed that and fully support statehood for Palestine.
 

Ronald N (3)
Monday September 19, 2011, 10:43 pm
Thanks Elias for the information. I never thought the settlers would stoop so low, but from the recent events that have been taking place, they have been encouraged by so much of the bad politics. The United States is pushed by all the wrong factors in the United States. I can't speak for the other nations the likewise are supporting the Israeli government, but hearing Jewish bias in America, I know the American government will never allow a Palestinian state. Truly, that is not the case for what many Americans want and that see the injustices that are occurring one after the next.in the West Bank as well as in the Gaza Strip.
 

Barbara W (342)
Monday September 19, 2011, 11:09 pm
This is way out. When the leaders, Netanyahu, Lieberman, and their followers cannot get their way they use more dirty tactics. How many more children and the elderly will fall victim to these gangsters? Thanks for this post Elias and Sandra for sharing. Sharing on facebook and other networks. May the light of peace shine down on the Palestinian families.

This is a link to something some may find a breath of fresh air considering what's going on in Israel. "Recognize Palestine! Recognize Israel!
http://www.care2.com/news/member/101960828/2951545
 

Barbara W (342)
Monday September 19, 2011, 11:14 pm
We call upon Israel and Palestine to negotiate (in a spirit of open-heartedness, generosity, and understanding that both sides' well-being is intrinsically tied to the well-being of the other side and the other side's perception that it is being dealt with respectfully and justly) a lasting peace, to affirm each other's right to exist, and, to make territorial swaps of equivalent territory and strategic and economic value -- based on the pre-1967 border of Israel, as part of creating borders agreed upon by both sides.
And once an agreement has been reached between Israel and Palestine, we call upon all other states in the region to recognize and create warm relationships with Israel and Palestine and to take necessary steps toward the creation of a Middle East common market." Rabbi Lerner

Petition: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/525/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=7064
 

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 12:01 am
Thank you
 

Jesica De Beer (2)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 12:51 am
Noted thanks.
 

Constance F (418)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:03 am
Absolutely signed, (over 1,046,xxx) Fabulous. Already signed change.org and a couple of others. Long past due!
 

Arild Warud (174)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:01 am
Signed,thanks Elias.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:12 am
Well I was about to say - yes a one state solution Sam - but it would be ISRAEL of course. Can't trust the others.
 

Sandra T (126)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:26 am
1,054,169 dear Elias and rising quickly :)))
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:55 am
I've seen the fruits of Israel's ways, and they are not from the deeds of Abraham


active link for petition
 

Calliope S (47)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 4:31 am
Petition signed..
 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 4:43 am
Patricia and Edward, the land these settlers live on is not their own, nor are they marching upon land that is their own (they plan to march in towns in the West Bank, not Israel, and since they are called "settlers", not merely Israelis, I make the reasonable assumption that they are among those who live in the settlements created in Palestinian territory).

Were they living within Israel and marching within Israel, I'd agree they were on land that has for quite some time been their own land. But they aren't.

And you're using a moot argument, Bob, in talking about how all the Arab nations together contain so much more land mass than little Israel. That fact has nothing to do with the situation.
 

Sandra T (126)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 5:07 am
Michael, thanks so much for sharing the song by Jim Page, very moving. We pray we will be singing a very different one very soon :))

Avaaz - 1,060,038 signatures
 

Bracha Katz (31)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 5:23 am
Settlers and Palestinians are planning marches in September. This sounds like a recipe for disaster. I hope that Palestinian and Israeli security forces will manage to keep some calm.

Now, about the Palestinian state. The road to statehood is not through irresponsible unilateral actions, but through negotiations. Abbas has set preconditions to prevent that, and even when Israel did a total settlement freeze, he did not want to negotiate until the freeze was almost over. Negotiations would require some concessions on both sides, and this UN bid is easier than concessions.

In recent poll of Palestinian opinions (Poll No. 179 Sept. 06, 2011) : (59.3%) prefer to resume the negotiations with Israel.

http://www.pcpo.ps/polls.htm

Unfortunately, though, Abbas is not doing what the people want.
 

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 6:30 am
Time both the Palestinians and the Israelis learnt the meaning of "Live and let live". Maybe when Palestine has the status of a nation intead of a refugee camp, this will be possible.
 

P A (117)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 7:02 am
Signed the AVAAZ petition the moment I saw it - thanks.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 8:19 am
The hypocrisy of American policy on Palestine is incredible; Obama talks about 'freeing' the oppressed people in his speech in Egypt and completely ignores the outrageous violations of human rights in Palestine while invading other countries like Libya that have no oppression (it is all mass media propaganda to cover up the invasion). He even mentioned Palestine becoming recognised as a state and now there is talk of the US illegally vetoing the legitimate claims of becoming full members of the UN.

The illegal settlers are marching for what exactly? To preserve apartheid and oppression? To prevent a people from retrieving basic human rights? To prevent a nation from ruling itself? It is preposterous. How anyone dare defend them is beyond me.

Palestine is surrounded by a massive illegal wall which means the Palestinians are literally all prisoners of the zionist entity. These are innocent people including 750,000 children who are born in this open air prison. The wall was deemed illegal by the ICJ which is the highest court on Earth. The occupation has long been illegal as was the invasion in the first instance.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg of misery to which the Palestinians are subjected. There are countless ways in which Israeli policy creates a living nightmare for them. Everything they manage to achieve is destroyed. Even their children are randomly shot on their way to school for no reason. There have been 63 years of military occupation and illegal apartheid after a brutal illegal land grab where many war crimes took place; Dier Yassin was one of 33 similar documented massacres (even by Israelis).

It was no problem for the 50,000 British invaders and the Irgun and LEHI murderers to slaughter the peaceful Palestinians because they didn't even have a military. I am so sick of the west always being the evil ones on the wrong side of all this violence and oppression.

The Charter of the United Nations

Article 2.4

"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

Zionism is so far from the wonderful faith of Judaism it is its opposite. They share nothing at all. Zionism has far more in common with Nazism than it does with any Great Faith. This may be due to the fact that they were invented by the same people.

Here is a link that explains it all in depth (thank you Mary for the news story linking to this);

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_khazar08.htm

If you only have a minute this also explains the origins of Nazism and Zionism and the reason for the Israeli policy;

Albert Pike's 3 World Wars;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m581aW5AH4M&feature=related
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 8:46 am
It is very instructive that our worst two administrations, GW Bush’s two terms and Obama’s first term was made up of so many Jewish Zionist and Jewish neocon Zionist. Call me anti-Semitic if you want, but I believe this be the truth. It’s also just been revealed in a book by Ron Susskind how those in Obama’s administration in particular Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, and Rom Emmanuel ignored Obama’s directives.

Administrations from Eisenhower to Bush1 had the sense to not fill their administration with those who had dual divided sympathies to other countries. This ended with the Clinton administration as he opened the flood gates to those with divided sympathies between the US and Israel.

Look at the shape our country is in. 14 trillion in debt; massive unemployment; three wars; homelessness; and on the brink of bankruptcy. How can you have a dual citizen, Rom Emmanuel as your chief of staff and he also hold dual Israeli citizenship? This is treachery and treason. This should be punishable by imprisonment and even death.

What does this have to do with the Palestinians declaring independence? By Israel stonewalling on settlements, and now denying Palestinians dignity and a state of their own, the US has bankrupted itself in fighting wars against enemies Israel has made. These Zionist make the republicans look tolerable. http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/war-is-a-racket/israel-and-the-upcoming-nuclear-war-.html

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/7503-the-scared-president
 

Chris F (1)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 8:53 am
Zionists!

Something split off from the one basic human race, separated from Unity.
A "race" of victims.
Victims of their own disability to express Love.
(It's Love connecting us with each other and all forms of life)

We should pray for them in the same manner as Jesus asked us to pray for Lucifer but not to condemn him.

At least they are our brothers and sisters and therefore humans!
What they really do is demonstrate how doomed we were if we had not developed compassion, arising from loving hearts.
This is their lesson to learn for the rest of the world.

Thank you brother Elias.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 9:01 am
''What threatens Israel is being held accountable and responsible for a 44-year military occupation; whereas under international law occupations are to be temporary and occupiers are not to pilfer resources, colonize or build a wall on land that belongs to the occupied.

"Financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile. The Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services. In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families' sole livelihood for generations." -Eileen Fleming who has seen the devastation of Palestine in 7 visits there since 2004.

Why Rick Perry Gets it very wrong about Israel Palestine
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 9:24 am
To my well meaning Jewish friends I distinguish between you and those so-called Jewish zionist who have used your religion for greed, control, power, and to oppress others. You also must raise up against those who have used you to enrich themselves and tarnish your religion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMsdNl_13q4
 

Sandra T (126)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 9:44 am
Thanks Terrance, stated very wisely


Send a Green Star to TERRANCE N.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to TERRANCE because you have done so within the last week.
 

Bob A (47)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:00 am
Lindsey, the meaning of the fact that Arab states have 10,000 times more land than Israel is not moot, and very relevant.

Israel got lands in question by fighting off Jordan and Egypt in a defensive war. That land then became Israeli, according to the International Law, allowing victims of aggression to take restitution from the attackers, like victims of Nazi Germany did after WWII, taking German lands, then this fact is important.

It means, that Israel is giving its land to a new country for Palestinian Arabs. By the same token, and to support their Arab brothers, Arab countries have to chip in with their lands as well. You can see Kurds fighting for independence and deserving that independence much more than Palestinian Arabs, yet no Arab country or Turkey gives Kurds any lands, other than for self-autonomy.

Israel agreed to create another state of Palestinian Arabs on ITS lands.As good as it is, Arab countries could share as well, and could be told so if not willing.

 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:18 am
Bob, can you tell me way the Lamb said 2000 years ago in Luke 21:20, that when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies that you will know that her desolation is at hand? I can tell you that that desolation will come for her going into Palestine as if they were Joshua, which they are still acting like right now. Why would children of Abraham need the atomic bomb when Abraham would not have destroyed Sodom at it been up to him? Israel ans the American Zionist Church are spreading the the biggest lie of our times.

Jerusalem
 

Sandra T (126)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:24 am
Has it ever ocurred to you Bob, that the Palestinian people don't want to live on other Arab land, but their own land?! And it is theirs; may I refer you back to Scott's post which you turned a blind eye too, or should we say two blind eyes in your case!

"Defensive war"?? Is that what you said? Nothing Israel has EVER done was defensive, quite on the contrary. But I forgot, you are the same Bob, who recently on another thread called little Palestinian children terrorists, and that if they weren't they wouldn't have to be abused in the military courts.

I have established that you are blind long ago, but still wonder if there is a heart somewhere in your body?!

 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:49 am
Bob, just because some other nations are "Arab" doesn't mean they have any responsibility to take in Palestinian Arabs (except for Jordan, of course, the majority of which was, like Israel, once part of Palestine before it was carved up.)
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 11:42 am

Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Lindsey because you have done so within the last week.

Thanks Lindsey for this brave situation.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Lindsey because you have done so within the last week.
Viva Palestina
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 11:45 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Elias for this post already more than 1,120,000 signed.Thanks to all those who stand beside the RIGHT of the Plestinians to have their own state.
 

Cesar Villanueva (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 12:09 pm
noted and signed
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 12:21 pm
I am so glad that Judaism is not blamed by Care2 members when outrageous policies and dreadful acts are carried out in the name of this zionist entity. These settlers who are marching to maintain the apartheid and may like to refer to themselves as 'Jews' but they are only correct geographically speaking. If these people were G-d fearing, they would not support oppression and slaughter but instead they would be supportive of freedom and equality for all, including the Palestinian's right to self rule.

Here is a perfect illustration of a gentle and humble brother with a soft heart that is devoted to G-d. While he is calmly explaining the difference between the beauty of Judaism and the atheistic extreme political movement of zionism, he and his peaceful brothers who were gathered outside and AIPAC conference are verbally assaulted by a man claiming to be a Jew but behaving just like a devil. It is forbidden to use foul language in Judaism (and Islam) and especially to cast insults and slander (Lashon hara - 'evil tongue' is a serious sin. Psalm 34:14);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY

It is so clear which of these are G-d's devoted servants and which one is the enemy of them. Please take the time to watch the related videos if you are in any doubt how polarised Judaism and Zionism are. One particularly violent video shows what some zionists think of the religious Jews; they appear to hate them just as much as they hate the Muslims.

I love my religious Jewish brethren and I will stand by them no matter what oppression they endure, just as they have stood by our Palestinian brethren on many occasions. I have no doubt that the Holy Torah is from G-d as are all the holy prophets of Judaism (peace be upon them and their families). This is confirmed in the Holy Quran by Almighty Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala).

Israel is a very dangerous place for devout Jews or anyone who is not on board with the military state of Zionism and their evil policies. Israeli teenagers who disagree with the oppression of Palestine are thrown in jail for refusing to serve in the military.

There was a beautiful harmony in Palestine between the Jews who lived their prior to the zionist invasion. One (Jewish) brother was explaining what his grandmother told him; that there was peace and neighbourliness across the Holy Land before the advent of Zionism. The Jews and Muslims would babysit for each other, borrow things and help out just as both religions teach we should.

This is extremely beautiful and we should all make excessively kind efforts to increase this level of humanity because I am sure it would please Our Creator enormously and make our lives sublime.

We must never forget that all the Great Faiths are so alike and we must all stand together in love and unity. We are a powerful force when united against this evil that grips our world - why else do you think that evil is trying to split us up with false flag events and media demonising of Islam? Evil thinly disguises itself as Judaism as well, in order to fool the uneducated into blaming a wonderful faith for its sins.

The evil plan is that we will end up killing each other in the next World War but it will fail. People that get to know G-d/Allah (Azza wa Jall) will never harm innocents. The lies will be revealed and we will unite and expose the troublemakers and liars through the actions of their collaborators insha'Allah.

I pray that all the servants of Allah (Jalla Jalaluhu), no matter how they refer to our Creator, will all go out of their way to kindly love each other and all the peace-loving atheists and polytheists in the world. We must not let the Devil deceive us into making divisions or initiating violence of any kind.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 12:42 pm
This is an other petition " Recognize Palestine........"
http://www.care2.com/news/member/101960828/2951545
Please sign
 

Bob A (47)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:03 pm
Lindsey, are you rejecting the existence of an Arab Nation? Was Nasser craze wheh he spoke about it? Is the Arab League a Mirage? Do Arabs speak different Arab language?

Or, you don't link obligations of ethnic countries toward their ethnic brothers? Israel as refugee for Jews, Germany as refugee for Germans, Greece for Greeks, etc? Look at the recent conflicts, and you can see how often the extended nation comes to help, with the Arabs being the only sad exception.

That's why I am saying, that Palestinian Arabs should not be treated differently than the rest of the world, and ALL Arab states who sent armies in invade Israel, or supported them, share the responsibility for the Palestinian Arab issue. I do not agree to judge this case differently from other tragedies of our time.
 

Bob A (47)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:13 pm
Sandy, Arab states attacked Israel, and not the vice versa, you can see it even nowadays, if you want to see.

For me, Gaza was attacking Israel for EIGHT years with rockets. For you, Israel attacked Gaza when Israel finally responded, as if it has any other option and was not provoked.

Why do you think Israeli land belongs to Arabs??? It never did. They never had a country there, they lived under TURKS, and Turks owned the land. They happen to live their for some time, well, sad story, as the sad story of Jews living in Arab countries for centuries and them robbed and kicked out. Don't ask me to care about one and ignore the other.

I would support financial compensation of BOTH peoples - Jews and Arabs - from some fund Israel and Arab League can build, but no way I will consider ones and ignore the others.

Children can be terrorists, be they Palestinian, Iraqi or Israeli. What are you trying to say? That a child or 14 planting a bomb is a cutie pie? He is, but a terrorist as well. And I would never call ALL Palestinian children terrorists, because they are not.

Speaking about heart, make sure your heart is not selective to problems of your ethnic group only.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:22 pm
Thank you very much my friends for your sacred efforts, please excuse me, I was away for a while, These days my friends, we are witnessing a great incident and a turning point in the human history, we are now making the history in our hands, our support for the peace and justice will be reflected on the entire humanity and the next generations, those who will remember that one day there were great people worked tirelessly and forcefully to grant this peaceful life for us.

Your efforts my friends will not go to vain, this long history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict affected not only this region but the entire world, not only the Palestinians and Israelis want to live in peace, but the entire mankind, the entire people of this planet are sick of the continuous wars, conflicts and injustice and they want to live in peace, love, freedom and harmony. Enough is enough. This time is a special time, and this chance is a special chance for the humanity to live in peace.

This is a real turning point in the human history, whether that long conflict will be ended, and peace will replace conflicts and light will replace the darkness or (I hope not) the conflict will remain and increased and the darkness will become more darker.

There are a some groups benefit from wars, if they find themselves weak they feed themselves on wars and bloodshed (Sorry for the expression) but knowing that some group are extremists but ultra-extremists, what do they mean by arming them? and military training them? what do they mean by sending an army to back them, when they attack someone else? It's a dangerous movement to threaten and try to blackmail other people, and insist them to react. Then use this reaction as a pretext to wage a war on them.

The Israeli government policies made Israel isolated in the world, and its internal policies raised revolution inside Israel, They failed to play the role of Gandhi and the real Gandhi stripped it off from every weapon and weakened its position, as usual to it, when it find itself in a weak position in the International political system or in internal problems it go to the war, taking the others activities, no matter how they were simple or worthless, as pretext to wage a war on them.

I'm not conspirator and hope I'm wrong, But reading the Israeli daily news, the huge military projects, military preparations, the call up for the army reserves, preparing the citizens for dealing in the state of war and arming the settlers and training them, are indicators for their intention of waging a war. This war will spread the entire region and will not be like the wars waged before, watching the already unrest in the Arab World.

Thus why I support the vote for the Palestinian state, in addition that it is a long overdue right to the people of Palestine, This peaceful movement will block any intention for violence by anyone, and will promote the equality, justice and peace for the region and then for the entire world.

If Israel supported this movement, it will be a historical act that returns Israel to the bosom of the world, and will reshape the people's view to the Israeli government, and will fix the corrupted relations with other countries, as Israel support Just and peaceful decision.

The Palestinians will be satisfied for this Just and long overdue decision, and will re-trust the International leagues, and will continue building their state in peaceful processes.

The score of the peaceful movements will be high and more and more people of both sides will believe in peace and peaceful movements. Everyone who call for violence will be in weak position as peace proved its ability to achieve the goals of the peoples. Then both of them will reject any attempt of making conflicts between them.

Peace will be achieved in the region and then will spread the world.

Support this peaceful movement, to achieve the peace on earth, and ensure a good and peaceful life for ourselves our children and the next generations.

Support peace, Support Palestine.

Vote for Palestine.
EA
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:34 pm
Bob, why did the Lamb 2000 years ago, speak of Israel's desolation being at hand in Luke 21:20? That is clearly about times right now. Not one of you right wing-nuts ever bothers to answer that question. Israel has broken US Law by using weapons from US on Civilians. Who would not fight back after being driven from your home at gun point?
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:35 pm
I want to share some related articles with you;

'Palestinians need just two more Security Council votes in bid for statehood'
Palestinian Foreign Minister says attempts underway to win over Gabon, Nigeria and Bosnia-Herzegovina, in quest for UNSC majority; U.S. has vowed to veto the proposal if it cannot garner a blocking majority.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinians-need-just-two-more-security-council-votes-in-bid-for-statehood-1.385604

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'Israel settlers march to protest UN bid'

BEIT EL (AFP) -- A few hundred Israeli settlers were on Tuesday marching through the northern West Bank to protest against Palestinian plans to seek full membership of the United Nations.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=422047

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'Palestinian U.N. bid teaches us about America: Sam Bahour'

El Bireh, West Bank -- The case of Palestine's bid for U.N. membership is teaching us more about the United States than it is about the stubborn Middle East. Sadly, the United States, my country, heads the list of member nations making a mockery of the international venue founded to intervene in exactly the type of crisis now facing Palestinians and Israelis.

http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2011/09/palestinian_un_bid_teaches_us.html

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Vote for peace....Vote for Palestine !

Viva Palestina
EA
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:37 pm
Some times I read nonsense from persons who continue repeating this nonsense on all posts related to the rights of Palestinians.The fact is that Palestinians lived on this land for thousands of years until the Zionists supported by the British allowed tens of thousands of Zionists to immigrate to Palestine under the British mandate.They revolted several times against the British policy. Palestinians not Zionists are the owners of the land until thousand were terrified and driven out of their land ,homes and property by the Zionist terrorist gangs before and after 1948. NO BODY can drive them out of their land now.Arab Nationalism and the call for ONE Arab country doesn't mean that Israel can dismiss the Palestinians to Jordan,Syria,Egypt or any other Arab country for one simple and clear reason. The Palestinians and their grandfathers have lived and WILL live in PALESTINE. On the contrary the existing Israelis immigrated to this land under the occupation of Palestine by the British. They belong to any place in the world but Palestine.If the Europeans or Americans feel guilty because their Jewish citizens were subject to torture,Harassment or even the Holocaust,Arabs have nothing to do with this and shouldn't be the ones who pay for others crimes.PERIOD
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:58 pm
What Zionist wants for themselves they should also want for Palestine & the rest of the world population! And this is a far cry from the case, so we know for certainty that they are evils in every words & deeds! When what we have, we also want for others then this is what Peace for every one is! God stated that what you do to the least of my brother, you do unto me! Peace for everyone! WE are ONE!
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:01 pm
That raises a question Abdessalam, What the right did Briton have to grant the Zionists someone else's country?!!

Another good question in Michael's D. last comment (Above).
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:06 pm
Sure Henriette, or this will be a double standards, Peace for you too.

Another good question asked by Ralph F. "May I ask, "Where are the borders of the Israeli nation?" This question needs an answer also !!!

 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:10 pm
The edge of the whole world is the borders of Zionists. Believe it or not.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:14 pm
" The one who didn't own gave the one who didn't deserve"
President Nasser to President Kennedy 1962.
Kennedy was assasinated by Zionism !!!!!
 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:29 pm
Scott, in your posted above you refer to "the atheistic extreme political movement of zionism". But Zionism is hardly intrinsically atheistic. An atheist is one who doesn't believe in a divinity. And many Zionists are, in fact, religionist (some are Christian, some Jewish, some few even Moslem, etc.) Merely because you disapprove of the ethics of Zionism doesn't mean that some religious people aren't Zionist. Some are Zionist because they genuinely believe it to be a moral position to take - and others because they (like everyone else) are imperfect beings and are willing to violate their consicence for a political agenda.
 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:33 pm
(Sorry, hit the submit button before I was finished).

And "zionism" is also not intrinsically atheistic. It's both a political movement and, for some, a belief that the Bible mandates Jewish ownership of the land of Israel.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:34 pm
I doubt very much that there are Muslim Zionists. Masonic may be,Zionist I doubt.
 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:40 pm
Yes, Abdessalam, there are some Moslem Zionists, decidedly a small minority, who believe a proper interpretation of the Koran states that Jews are the proper owners of the land of Israel. Even including some Imams (I posted a news item a week or two ago on one of those Zionist Imams.)
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:52 pm
I think Muslim Zionists, who are not only believe that the increase of the conflicts wars, bloodshed, disasters, are pre-request for the Messiah/ Mahdi to come but work for that to happen. Exactly the same theory used by the Zionist Christians and Zionist Jews also.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:53 pm
"On Wednesday, a coalition of Israeli peace organizations published a list of 50 reasons for Israel to support a Palestinian state. Assuming that you only accept five of them, isn't that enough? What exactly is the alternative, now that the heavens are closing in around us? --By Gideon Levy"

New article posted by friend Abdessalam, worth to be noted.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/602821732/2952563

 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 2:57 pm
May be, Elias. Some religionists do seem hellbent on bringing about the supposed end times. Which seems odd to me - since if their god wants the end times to occur surely they don't think he/she/it needs their help to make it happen.
 

Bob A (47)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:02 pm
Now it does not really matter, where the great-grandparents of the Arabs living in Syria, Lebanon or West Bank lived. It is a history now. May be sad, may be tragic. These Syrians and Lebanese have no connection to modern Israel, and will never allowed to immigrate en mass in order to destroy Jewish homeland by demographic.

As I said above, Jews lived in some Arab and Islamic countries for longer than the current majority of those countries. but at some point they were "were terrified and driven out of their land ,homes and property by the Islamist or Nazist terrorist gangs", So, they put it behind, forgot the losses and continue.

Arabs decided to freeze Palestinian tragedy in time, and succeeded. Now they need to unfreeze their feeling for their brothers, and share land and money with them, as all the others did at a time of need.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:06 pm
Sure Lindsey, This maybe due to misunderstanding to their religions or, which most likely be the situation, people use the name of some religion and explain religious things in different meanings only to achieve their personal aims.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:16 pm
Only one thing I want to remind you about Bob A. that when the Christian Spanish fought Andalusia and the defeated the Islamic rule there, the Muslims escaped to North Africa, and the Jews who lived there escaped with them. Those Jews who escaped from the Andalusia settled in North Africa which was ruled by the Muslims too, and lived there together with the Muslims, and some of their descendants still live in the modern North African (Arab) countries. Another thing I want to mention, which is, Those Jews who lived there didn't ask for a state for them until the Zionists came with the mass Jewish migration to the newly created state of Israel, and some of them forced to migrate to Israel by one way or another.

EA
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:29 pm
A very thoughtful video, please watch;

Palestinian girl playing the most peautiful National Anthem music on hospital bed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccDPx_cLq2c&feature=youtu.be

EA
 

Anna M (112)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 3:55 pm
Already signed the Avaaz petition, thank you for sharing. Thank you Sandra for sharing this news.
 

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 6:51 pm
1,095,717 have signed the petition. Brazilians, Canadians and French mostly.
 

. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 7:40 pm
signed
 

Bob A (47)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 7:57 pm
Elias, to expand your logic on Palestinians Arabs, Muslims from Andalusia should demand a state there?

Lindsey, Russian Tzar did not ask Innuit people if they want to be transferred to USA when he was selling Alaska, and he just sold them with their lands. Innuit people lived there for thousands of years. Should we return Alaska to Russia to created an Innuit state, if Innuit people would want to?
 

Kriti S (26)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 9:25 pm
People of Palestine have suffered because of the evil forces of Iran and Israel.
The people of Palestine just like the people of Tibet have suffered tremendously for apparently no reason than being the victim of politics, power and greed.
These people are literally imprisoned in their own country and the sentries watch them like they are criminals.
The big powers can claim what ever they want. (Their so called own rights of their so called own liberty), but it is wrong, plain and simple.
 

Kriti S (26)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 9:44 pm
I do not want people to misunderstand me, when I wrote "big powers".
The big powers in that region are Iran and Israel. Both of them have the sadistic belief of their immense power.
 

Sandra T (126)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:08 pm
"The evil forces of Iran", Kriti? What does have Iran have to do with the oppression of the Palestinian people? I think you picked the wrong nation.

Iran is one of the very few nations who had and still has the guts to oppose Israel's oppressive regime against the Palestinian people and their stolen human rights and land, and this is precisely the reason why the zionist Media shuns no way to demonise and humiliate Iran.

Anyone opposing Israel shares this fate.Only Iran is a powerful Nation, otherwise they would have crushed them long ago.Zionist Israel has always been full of dirty tricks, false flag attacks, kidnapping and murdering other nation's scientists if they fail to coopearte, kidnappping civilians, demonising and vilifying those who speak out against it all.

 

Calle J (19)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:39 pm

"To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire;
And where they make a wilderness, they call it peace"
-Publius (Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus AD 56 - AD 117 senator and historian of the Roman Empire.
 

. (0)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 2:27 am
Noted Elias! Thanks....
 

Bob A (47)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 5:32 am
"The evil forces of Israel", Kriti? What does have Iran have to do with the oppression of the Palestinian people? I think you picked the wrong nation.

Israel does what is can to Palestinian Arab population, and this is more than Arab countries do to their Palestinian Arab population! Arab citizen in Israel have full rights, equal to rights of Jewish Israelis. In Syria and Lebanon they are kept in concentration camps and are not allowed to own land, study in universities or be professionals.

Going through many Arab countries, you will see the worst possible attitude towards Arabs from Palestine: they were victims on ethnic cleansing from Kuwait and Iraq, their citizenship canceled by Jordan, their future imposed on them by Egypt and Iran.

How can you blame Israel, and not the real culprits?

 

Bob A (47)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 5:38 am
Michael: "Who would not fight back after being driven from your home at gun point?"

Many Arabs left to safety into Arab states, hoping that attacking Arab armies will finish off the Jews and Druze, and then they will come back. Who needs neighbors like that?

Palestianian arabs left their birth place in a time of trouble and need - they lost their right to be there. Druze stayed, and now Druze are generals, ministers, business people, whatever they want to be.

Traitors and hidden enemies should not come to live among those whom they hate so much.
 

Calle J (19)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 5:58 am

Elias, we should not forget, Official Israel and their Oppressive Rule (IDF) have only power as long as we finance their terror vs. underdogs by our taxpayer money and weaponry replenishment.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 6:52 am
I have just finished reading this article in the Israeli newspaper HAARETZ and want to share it with all of you. Please enjoy

U.S. should recognize Palestinian state

Just like 23 years ago, today too, Washington is standing like a fortified wall blocking the entry of Palestine to the United Nations.
By Zvi Bar'el

Memory is short and forgetfulness is often deliberate, but 23 years ago the UN General Assembly decided to move its session from New York to Switzerland so that Palestine Liberation Organization head Yasser Arafat could deliver a speech. The reason: U.S. Secretary of State George Schultz refused to issue Yasser Arafat an entry visa to the United States.

Today too, with the opening of the session of the General Assembly, Washington is standing like a fortified wall blocking the entry of Palestine to the UN building. Although Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has no problem getting a visa, when he comes to ask for a state for the Palestinians he is put on a roller coaster. The list of threats and future punishments to be imposed on him and his country, if it is established, guarantees that this will be a state that is battered from birth.



Here is colonialism in all its glory. After all, the United States agrees that there should be a Palestinian state, it even twisted the arm of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a little bit, cautiously so it wouldn't hurt, so that he would blurt out the necessary formula "two states for two peoples." U.S. President Barack Obama even spoke about the optimal borders of the Palestinian state and Abbas was not yet required to recognize Israel.

After all, Arafat already recognized it. Palestine fulfilled all the threshold conditions. And still, this state has only one chance of being born the American way. Through negotiations that will lead to a consensual agreement and a handshake. And if Israel's hand is missing, never mind, the Palestinians will wait until it grows.

But Abbas has learned a thing or two from Israel. The main lesson he has learned is that his real negotiations are not with Israel but with Washington. The second lesson: The negotiations must not take place on a playing field that is convenient for Obama, but rather at the United Nations. There Obama is not facing a beggarly Palestinian Authority that can be frightened with a shout, but 193 countries, each of which must be negotiated with.

New York is not Ramallah. Abbas saw how Israel chose its own playing field in the U.S. Congress, and carefully responded in kind. Instead of going out on a limb, he planted the tree by himself, nurtured it, diligently recruited most of the countries in the world, was helped substantially by Israel's mistakes, took good advantage of Jerusalem's isolation, examined the pros and cons and decided that even in loss there would be great gain.

If the United States casts a veto in the UN Security Council, it will cause more damage to Washington than to Abbas; if he makes do with recognition in the General Assembly, it will be in exchange for an American commitment to support a Palestinian state if negotiations fail, as they will.

Abbas caused Washington to be embroiled in a dispute with its European colleagues, and presented Israel as a cripple. He is forcing the United Nations to do what it usually fails to do: to find a peaceful solution to conflicts. As a bonus he caused Netanyahu to say that he is going to deliver a "speech of truth" at the United Nations, thereby admitting in effect that until now he has been lying.

The panic in Washington is genuine. It was evident when David Hale, Obama's special envoy, was unable to control his temper and simply shouted at Abbas when he understood that he had no intention of retreating from his initiative.

Anger and helplessness could also be detected in the voice of U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, when she announced that the United States would cast a veto in the Security Council. Suddenly she realized that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not only "the business of the parties involved" but threatens Washington's regional and international status.

If the United States fails to recognize the Palestinian state, it will have difficulty sidelining its rivals in the new Middle East, where the public has more power than the rulers; if it recognizes the Palestinian state, it will have to ensure its sustainability, in other words, to direct the sanctions against Israel. Truly a bad situation for a great power that aspires to draw the map of the new Middle East.

Had it only made an effort to achieve genuine negotiations when that was still possible, had it invested its efforts into reaching an agreement that it is now investing in preventing the declaration of independence, had it shared the threats equally between the PA and Israel, it may not have found itself in this difficult situation.

It should at least recognize the state now. It should recall what has happened since it refused to grant Arafat his visa.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 7:21 am
Published 11:33 21.09.11
Latest update 14:27 21.09.11


Thousands rally in Ramallah to back Palestinian statehood bid

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to present formal request to UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Friday.
By Avi Issacharoff, Anshel Pfeffer, DPA and The Associated Press Tags: Palestinians West Bank Middle East peace Palestinian state


















Thousands of Palestinians flocked to Yasser Arafat Square in central Ramallah on Wednesday for a rally in support of the Palestinian bid for full United Nations membership.

The square was dominated by a huge sign with the words "UN 194" on it, in reference to the Palestinian attempt to become the 194th member state of the international body. The sign was flanked by portraits of former Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, and his successor Mahmoud Abbas, who will on Friday formally submit the Palestinian request to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
Many of the crowd waved large Palestinian flags or carried banners either in support of UN membership, or condemning a likely U.S. veto should the issue come before the Security Council for a vote.

A handful of youth burned an American flag, but were sharply told off by other spectators.

 

Kathy Javens (104)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 8:44 am
Noted. Power does ugly things to men & their countries. This should not be. We are one...We are connected. I pray for peace for everyone everywhere.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 8:46 am
Bob, had the Zionist not gone into Israel, as if they were still living in the days of Joshua, they would have done it Peacefully, as I wish Americans had done when we stole this Broken Promised Land from its Natives.

Bob, can you answer me why the Lamb said 2000 years in Luke 21:20 that when you see Jerusalem surrounded by Armies, you will know here desolation is at hand? I can see by the Zionists, besides them not being anymore children of Abraham-than the ones who killed their last king, that their ways will b clear to all but Zionist Christians who believe a myth about Israel.

Israel shooting back at peaceful Palestine Parade
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 12:08 pm
The reason I use the term 'atheistic' as applied to zionism is that I do not see anything religious about it. The Holy Torah clearly states that for their sins, the Jewish people are ordered not to have a homeland until the Messiah (peace be upon him returns).

Also the "Great Principle" (Talmud, Shabbat 31a) in Judaism has this to say;

"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."

I don't see how any person that supports the bloody massacres and decades of murder and oppression of the innocent Palestinians can dare refer to themselves as 'religious' (unless you count Satanism as a religion).

Neither can they consider themselves 'Christian', 'Jewish' or 'Muslim' when their actions are entirely against the noble moral commandments of these Great Faiths and their practical prescriptions. These honourable titles are earned through faith and righteous actions; it is not enough simply to name oneself on a whim while doing few if any of the prescribed actions and committing many of the acts which they forbid. This type of behaviour just shows that one is an imposter who is trying to fool others and conceal their true evil natures and besmirch the good name of these faiths in a 'false flag' deception.

Initiating conflict is forbidden by every Great Faith. No one whose primary policies include invading innocent people (without even a military in this case) can call themselves religious - not by any stretch of imagination. Yet this is the fundamental goal of Zionism; to steal or steal back Palestine (depending on your views). If you believe that 2000 years ago something once belonged to a very distant relative but the only proof you have are tenuous links from the Holy Bible I would be sure that you would not have a leg to stand on in court so whichever way you look at it zionism has no right whatsoever to murder and oppress its way to its primary goal of establishing a zionist state and one cannot possible declare this movement to be religious or anyone who condones such crimes.

Exactly what and where are the religious principles of Zionism? That they believe the Holy Torah commands them to massacre innocent men, women and children for the crime of living on a land that they fancy stealing? This is an utterly weak argument; this is not religious - this is completely opposite and immoral.

It is very difficult to find out exactly what Zionism is other than they want to dispossess people who for generations have lived on this land since Roman times and have no qualms about breaking major religious commandments and Humanitarian Laws, ICJ decisions and the 4th Geneva Convention to get what they want.

Do some vegetarians eat red meat? I am not saying that every zionist is evil because I have no proof of this but I can certainly say that no zionist is religiously Jewish (as opposed to geographically Jewish) and I can also state that religious values and invasion/oppression/slaughter/false imprisonment of innocents are every bit as incompatible as 'vegetarian carnivores'.

I have no problem with people wanting a nationalistic homeland of their own as long as it is achieved peacefully and diplomatically by invitation of the current inhabitants. Without consent of this kind the world is thrown into evil chaos and continual war.


Zionism, like Nazism, is just another tool in the hands of 'the Crazies' who want to bring about a 'new world order';

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWC3WTUNsA8


David Icke - The Bloody Rothschilds!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1WqQi1bEtg&feature=youtu.be


"I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan." Revelation 2:9
 

. (0)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 12:35 pm
Scott, merely because others interpret their holy books differently than you do doesn't make them atheist. And just because someone doesn't live up to the dictates of their holy books doesn't make them an atheist. And just because a philosophy is, in your opinion, antithetical to one of a particular holy book's teachings doesn't make that philosophy atheist. Nor does a belief that war is sometimes necessary (or engaging in war) make someone an atheist (various holy books are filled with war and conflict that is approved of by their divinities.)

Again, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a divinity - it is not someone who is merely supposedly a bad Christian or a bad Jew or a bad Muslim, etc. And Zionism does not teach that there is no divinity in existence and therefore is hardly an intrinsically atheist philosophy.

You once said on another thread that you admired the U.S. Constitution and its principles. And yet that Constitution is in opposition to the tenets of several religions, notably Christianity. Since the Ten Commandments clearly and plainly state that we should have no other gods other than Jehovah, shall make no graven images, etc. And yet the Constitution requires freedom of religion - which means it insists that all are free to worship whichever god we please (or no god, of course) and to do so in any lawful manner we like (which includes making graven images.)

Is the U.S. Constitution an atheistic document merely because some of its articles go against various religious teachings?
 

M B (62)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 3:17 pm
Signed and noted. Free Palestine from the bloody Zionists !!.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 6:12 pm
There is no ambiguity in the unlawfulness of starting wars in any of our scriptures. It cannot be misinterpreted accidentally. Perhaps there are some points within religion that have some mystery yet to be unlocked but it is blatantly clear that we should be kind and loving and want for our brothers and sisters the same as we want for ourselves.

This means that invading, bombing and shooting our neighbour is not religious behaviour. One doesn't need to be a scholar to work this out.

How many ways are there to interpret "thou shalt not kill" and "Oppression is worse than slaughter"? No religion exists that condones invasions of other countries. A truly religious person can never justify military aggression.

"Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not aggress. Surely God does not love the aggressors." Al-Baqara 190

"And the LORD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground. And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand." Genesis 4:10-11

"Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land, and atonement cannot be made for the land on which blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it." Numbers 35:33

"Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt" Exodus 22:21


For those that study their religion or simply boast membership while ignoring important principles, it certainly does make them something other than religious; call them whatever you like - hypocrites, liars, atheists or satanists but you cannot call them religious simply because they claim to be. It is a description - not a name. A religious person adheres to their religion to the best part or they are not a religious person - they are a deceiver.

There is a vast difference between someone who misses a prayer time or swears accidently and someone supporting those who go to great lengths and expense to brutally murder and oppresses a people for six decades!

A pro-Israeli policy zionist transgresses far beyond the realms of religion. I admit there is a small grey area where someone can still be known as a follower who does their best to adhere to a religious path but makes mistakes and falls into temptations but we are not talking about a slight transgression here; we are talking about premeditated invasion, sustained persecution and torture - these are intentional policies which cause the suffering of innocent souls that everyone knows are beyond all limits of decency.

Pro-Israeli policy zionists believe that Arabs are lesser people; they are operating a militarily enforced apartheid and collectively punishing 750,000 children. I don't even need to mention the absolute horror of the wars and war crimes. They do not even accept God's teaching that everyone was created equally and should be treated with respect and kindness; these are the essentials of religion and cannot be misunderstood. Everyone knows what kindness means and its opposite - cruelty.

It may well be necessary to defend against war but initiating a war against innocent people is a totally evil act. In this particular case it was a land grab among other possible evil incentives; none of them could ever be 'interpreted' as 'religious' or defensible.

Where does it say in the Constitution that we have to worship the USA over God?

Freedom of religion and freewill in general is taught by all the Great Faiths - particularly Islam;

"Let him who wants to believe, believe; and let him who wants to deny, deny." (Al-Kahf 18: 29).

"If it had been your Lord's will, all who are in the earth would have believed. Will you, then, force the people to become believers?" (Yunus 10:99)

"There shall be no compulsion in religion..." (Al-Baqarah 2:256).

There are more and this is echoed in other faiths. If one wants to worship 'graven images' instead of the One God (subhanahu wa'ta'ala) then God will not force them and neither will His servants.

The US constitution does not go against religious teachings as far as I am aware. If it does then I reject that part of it. I never swore an oath to uphold all of it it although I am happy to say there is a lot to love about it.
 

Joy W (100)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 3:23 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 3:45 am
Elias A, you spout the same lies you claim Israel spouts by saying "Only one thing I want to remind you about Bob A. that when the Christian Spanish fought Andalusia and the defeated the Islamic rule there, the Muslims escaped to North Africa, and the Jews who lived there escaped with them"

You neatly ignore the fact that the Muslims invaded, conquered, occupied & ruled over Andalucia by force until those people were liberated from their intolerant, oppressive dictatorship.

We live in Southern Spain & there is no one here who wants you back.

When the Muslims took over by force (as usual) they confiscated all the churches, destroying many and turning others into mosques. They refused to allow any new ones to be built, just as in many Muslim countries today. You will have a hard time finding any church today that dates back to before the liberation from the Muslims. The only ones that survived were turned into mosques, as in other conquered lands from Hungary to Syria to Egypt to Byzantium.

The invading Muslims called church councils and decided what would be taught, they sold bishoprics to the highest bidder, forced all men to be circimcised and killed any Muslim who converted to Christianity (real tolerant!) just as is done today in Islamic countries according to Mohammed's commands.

Priests were subject to ridicule and assault in the street but anyone who criticized or questioned Mohammed or Islam was beheaded.

Tens of thousands of Christians were enslaved and all non-Muslims forced to pay the jizya - non-Muslim tax.

Jews suffered many of the same things. The city of Lucena, just north of us, was inhabited exclusively by Jews for several centuries from the 9th c. It had an important Jewish University, but in the 11th cent. it was invaded by the Muslims and burned when the Jews refused to convert to Islam and the people were slaughtered or had to flee.

In 1066 1400 Jews in Granada were slaughtered for not converting too. Hardly a history of kindness and tolerance toward Jews or Christians! (And now Saudi Arabia is going to build the largest mosque in Europe there to open a new Islamic era in this, what they call, an Islamic city, but they will not allow any non-Muslim house of worship anywhere in their country).

In 1148 the even more intolerant Almohad Muslims replaced the previous ruling Almoravids, who were bad enough, as rulers. All Jews and Christians were told to convert, leave or die. Many Jews followed the Christian exiles to Christian northern Spain where they were welcomed and given land.

We have been told that this Islamic rule was wonderful and enlightened and that all the rest of Europe lived in grovelling darkness, but that is not true in either case. The history that so many westerners have just accepted as true was written by Muslim historians, and we know how little they can be trusted to tell the truth about Islam and its despots. Muslims never have condemned their invasions, occupations, genocides, ethnic cleansings, colonizations and brutalities, as the West has done. You're refusing to do that now too.

We are also always told that the Christian rulers of Spain were all Jew hating bigots and barbarians which is also a lie.

Alfonso VI and VII of Castile (11th and 12th centuries) made Jews and Xtians equal before the law and repressed an anti-Semitic outbreak in Toledo (1107). Xtians, Jews and even Muslims traded freely and even exchanged gifts on holidays. Muslims, following the dictates of Mohammed and Allah never ever allowed any non-Muslims to be equal.

From 1085 up to 1492 Jews could be found in high public office in Spanish Christian States as fiscal agents and diplomats - sometimes as ministers.

In 1248 the Spanish king, Ferdinand III, after the defeat of the Moors in Sevilla, even called himself the 'King of three religions' and there were 200 years of peaceful living among the three religions under Spanish rule and none were enslaved.

If Islam was so enlightened and tolerant at some time in its past, where did it go? Where is it now? Where was it in all those many non-Muslim lands they conquered that are all still living in the 7th century?




 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 4:17 am
I posted on another thread yesterday, and when I revisited that same thread today,another lady had commented, and she left her website address,which I personally find very intersting. She put a lot of hard work, and valuable information there and I wanted to share her address here as well.

What stood out in particular was a very shocking interview by a Hareetz reporter (Amira Hass), who spoke with an IDF sharp shooter. I will copy and paste this interview, and this is the reality of what the Palestinian people are suffering. For any mother out there, imagine anyone has this discussion regarding your own children to understand what the Parents of these children have to endure. It's absolutely heartbreaking while at the same time infuriating.


Nov. 20, 2000

Excerpt:

(Hass is the speaker without
quotes).

But nonetheless there are
children who were hit, wounded
or killed after they were hit in the
head. Unless these were
mistakes.

"If they were children, they were
mistakes."

Do they talk about this?

"They talk to us about this a lot.
They forbid us to shoot at
children."

How do they say this?

"You don't shoot a child who is
12 or younger."

That is, a child of 12 or older is
allowed?

"Twelve and up is allowed. He's
not a child any more, he's already
after his bar mitzvah. Something
like that."

Thirteen is bar mitzvah age.

"Twelve and up, you're allowed
to shoot. That's what they tell us."

Again: Twelve and up you're
allowed to shoot children.

"Because this already doesn't
look to me like a child by
definition, even though in the
United States a child can be 23."

Under international law, a child is
defined as someone up to the
age of 18.

"Up until 18 is a child?"

So, according to the IDF, it is 12?

"According to what the IDF says
to its soldiers. I don't know if this
is what the IDF says to the
media."

And children are from 12 down. Is
there no order that between 12
and 18 you shoot at the legs and
not the head?

"Of course we try to see to it that
he really is over 20."

In the 10 seconds that you have.

"In the 10 seconds that I have, I
have to estimate how old he is."

And in what direction the wind is
blowing, and the deviation here
and there, and which way he'll
jump the next moment.

"Yes, but there are hardly any
mistakes by sharpshooters. The
mistakes are made by people
who aren't sharpshooters."

And it turns out that they happen
to hit the children's heads, and all
this is just by chance?

"If you say you have seen
children that have been hit in the
head a lot, then it is
sharpshooters."

So what you're saying is that our
definition of children is different.

"Your definition is different."

Because for you it's someone
who is 12.

"Yes."


http://www.mcloughlinpost.com/
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 4:46 am
Israel is the only free country in the whole Middle East. The only democracy with freedom of religion and speech. It is the only country there that doesn't persecute imprison and execute gay people, as the Islamic countries do. It doesn't murder Jews who renounce Judaism, as Islam does to those who renounce it. It doesn't require women to be second class citizens, or worse. Women have equal rights which no Muslim country allows.

Muslims have freedom of religion in Israel whereas in Palestine-occupied areas Christians are persecuted and their women are forced to shroud themselves or risk acid in the face.

You all seem to forget that the Arabs are the invading people there. Israel was founded by the Jews millenia ago. It is their land and Jerusalem is their city. They have accomplished probably more than any other people proportionally in science, the arts, music and literature. They have a long list of Nobel Prize winners. Arabs have produced virtually nothing in any of these areas.

You so conveniently ignore the fact that Muslims conquered Jerusalem and committed the greatest sacrilege possible by building their Dome of the Rock and al Aqsa mosque on top of the Jews' holiest site. Note, too, that it is still there, even though the Jews have taken back their city and country today. They have every right to tear this blasphemy down but have left it, even though you Muslims refuse to even let them pray on this, their most sacred site (real tolerant).

You also know full well that if the Jews had invaded and occupied Mecca and built a synagoge/temple complex on top of Islam's holy sites there you Muslims would have torn them down, burned every Torah and killed every Jew you could find, much as Mohammed did in his time when he led his fanatical warrior-followers in massacring hundreds of Jewish men, as in Medina when they beheaded 900, while Mohammed laughingly confiscated all their property and sold their wives and children into slavery, after his men raped and took those women they desired for their own. Mohammed himself took the most beautiful woman/widow, raped her while her husbands blood was still wet on his clothes, and made her one of his many wives. He would be a war criminal today, and rightly so.

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are. Your hatred of Jews and Israel is nothing new. Islam and Mohammed has been teaching hatred of Jews (and all non-Muslims) almost since its beginnings when the Jews refused to accept the Arab Mohammed as a Jewish prophet. The Arab Supreme Moon God, Allah, that Mohammed adopted as the god of his new religion, said he even turned some Jews into Apes and Swine. Jews are called dogs, pigs and apes and Muslim kids are taught to hate them in their medrasas.

This is racism and religious bigotry at its worst, but it is a continuation of the goal of Islam to conquer and dominate the whole world, as commanded by their deity.

Anyone on Care2 can hate Israel, and thereby the Jews, and be cheered on, but let anyone question or criticize Islam, the most oppressive, hateful ideology on earth today, and they are immediately branded 'Islamaphobes', hatemongers and bigots, just as the Muslim Brotherhood has told its followers to do to silence any critics. Their messengers here, Scott, Sandra T, Elias, Mary P and others, are doing what they were sent here, and paid, to do. And you all have fallen for their every word. They must laugh themselves silly every day by you so easily duped Kafur.

 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:03 am
Scott F is spouting his usual incredible bald-faced lies about loving tolerant Islam as if he'd never read the Qur'an or hadith. He knows very well that the one verse about no compulsion in religion was abrogated (replaced) by all the many hateful ones to follow. He then denies abrogation and all the things that Islamic scholars and authorities have said. He even quotes from the hadith, which when anyone else quotes the many disgusting hateful verses from the same source, he denies the value of them, against what all the scholars of islam say. It's called Taqiyya - lying to promote Islam.

Unfortunately, most of those here who don't know anything about islam will fall for the usual Islamist lies of peaceful tolerant Islam, even though there is little evidence of that anywhere in the world.

Islam demands death for any who leave it (like the mafia), for women who marry out of it, for any who question Mohammed, and for gay people. Israel doesn't demand any thing like these barbaric practices.

"He (Allah) it is who hath sent his messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth (only Islam), that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse (all the rest of us)." Qur'an 9:33

"Fight against those who have been given the scripture (Christians/Jews - any other 'pagans' are to be killed outright) as believe not in Allah or the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute (jizya - non-Muslim tax) readily, being brought low (humiliated)and subjected to Islam." Q 9:29

Most Christians and Jews are "evil-livers" Q 5:59

"Allah hath turned some to apes and swine." Q 5:60

"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers (all non-Muslims) who are near to you and let them find in you harshness." Q9:123

"Fight everyone in the way of allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Ibn Ishaq 992

"Muhammed is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves." Q48:29 (so much for the Golden Rule, which Islam does not believe in)

"I (Allah) will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." Q8:12

"Killing unbelievers is a small matter to us." (Mohammed's statement) Tabari 9:69

"Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammed, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But ALLAH DESIRES KILLING THEM TO MANIFEST RELIGION." Ibn Ishaq:327 (that really hits the nail on the head on both of them - Mohammed and Allah)

"He (allah) does not love the unbelievers (all non-Muslims - so it's no wonder that they are all fair game for Islamists)." Q30:45

"I (Mohammed) have been made victorious with terror." Bukhari 4:52:220

"The Jews call Ezra a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be upon them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" 9:30, also Bukhari 8:427

"The messenger of Allah (Mohammed) commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheded. Then the prophet divided the wealth, wives and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims." Tabari 8:38 "When their (Jewish men and boys) wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle (mohammed) was a sea of generosity to us (the Muslims who murdered the Jews)." Ishaq 465 "They (the Jews beheaded by Mohammed and his thugs) numbered 800-900 boys and men." Ishaq 464

"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends." Qur'an 5:51 (that about says it all!)

Now watch Scott and the other Islamists here rant about hate speech when the hate speech is from their own scriptures. They can't deny any of this without denying they believe it is all true, which they do.

Just ask the Islamists here, and that you know, if they believe people who leave Islam, women who marry out of it, those who question Mohammed and gay people should be killed. We've asked them time and time again and NONE of them have ever answered this question, which IS their answer. And you support them over a country that, despite being shelled by Islamist rockets every day of every year and being surrounded by hateful states that call for its destruction, is the only free country, the only true democracy in a sea of backwardness and intolerance?

Scott Freewheeler, the Vampire among us, has said before that Iran is the only pure democracy on earth and that the evil incarnate Ayatollah Khomeinii was a wonderful, incorruptible holy man! This is the guy who ordered 22,000 women and girls as young as 9 to be raped and murdered when he took control of Iran. This is the guy who wrote the "Little Green Book", a book of sickening pedophilia where he tells Muslim men they can have as many 'temporary' wives as they want just for sex (on top of the 4 more permanent 'wives' they can already slake their lust with), and he writes so poetically about how wonderful it is to have sex with children, and mentions the joy he himself experienced having sex with a breastfeeding baby. But, being the godly man Scott loves, Khomeinii does say, following in Mohammed's own example, not to vaginally penetrate little girls until they are 9 years old, tho he says you can penetrate them anally. And this is Scott F's idol? Mohammed and Khomeinii are his role models? And you here are backing this diseased bunch over the more moral and advanced Jews? Appalling.



 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:18 am
Sandra T, do you care nothing about all the Israeli children who are killed by Islamic suicide bombers and the many rockets fired into Israel every day for years on end by these people who deliberately target children? Your dismay at the killing of Palestinian Arab children will mean much more if you condemned the Islamist murder of Israeli children too.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:33 am
Actually, Scott, there are indeed several ways to "interpret 'thou shalt not kill'". Some believe it means never kill a human being under any circumstances, even self-defense. Some believe it exempts killing solely when you're being physically attacked by another. Some believe it exempts killing which falls under the category of preemptive action against those who would harm you. Some believe it exempts killing others who don't follow the dictates of the believer's own god. Some believe it means never kill any living creature, including non-human animals, if you can help it (which means abstaining from eating meat as part of the belief.) And so on.

But again - you keep ignoring the fact that an atheist is one who doesn't believe in the existence of divinities - not one who simply disobeys a particular divinity's rules.

And yes - the admonition in the Ten Commandments that we should have no other gods before us but Jehovah is indeed a commandment that violates freedom of religion. What part of 'you must worship no one but me' implies freedom of religion? Just as, say, prohibitions against blasphemy violate the right to freedom of speech and of the press.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:58 am
As Malcolm X said, ''If you listen to the media, you will end up loving the oppressor, and hating the oppressed.'' It is perfectly clear to me that Israel, with its $-Billions from US for weapons, is the oppressor.

This song was written by Bruce Cockburn in the 80s when he witnessed it happen in Central America, with American weapons. If I had a rocket launcher and I was there, I would use it.
 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:59 am
Rob. My creator knows I care about all children and all human beings, and he is my witness. Only I have never heard any Palestinian speak the way this IDF sharpshooter spoke. I have never seen Palestinian children write 'love messages' on the rockets that kill their neighbouring children, who, if it had been up to these same Israeli children would probably have made lasting friendships with them instead. Yet they are indoctrinated with hate for the Palestinian people literally from birth.

Suicide bombing is wrong,where also innocent Israeli children die, you never have and never will hear me say elsewise; however, let's not forget who illegaly invaded and occupied whom under gunpoint, treating them like animals for over half a decade and still counting.

In the case of the Palestinians it is a defensive battle, and they have every right to defend their human rights and and stolen land, and you have no proof of statement that they deliberately target children.You would be well advised to check the webpage I posted above your posts to learn the truth and realities about this subject in detail.

You can't even begin to compare the atrocities or even their weapons. Have you seen what the white phosphorus does to human flesh?! Go to Mary P.'s page and see for yourself, but be warned, you may get nightmares, I did. Or did you even read the interview of "sharpshooting children on purpose"? I, contrary to you, can actually make this claim of 'deliberate and cold blooded murder of children' by Israel,because he admitted it, whereas you on the other hand have no proof that the Palestinians target deliberately, their attacks are out of sheer desperation, since the international community has ignored their needs and rights for so many decades. How would you feel if YOU were in their place. It is easy to talk from the comfort of your living room, and judging while you don't experience their pain and agony and don't watch your children be shot in cold blood on their way to school.

Palestinian Children who get murdered, or watch their family members be murdered and their houses demolished again and agian, or thrown in Israeli Military courts in chains, some so small their feet wave in the air while they sit on chairs for hours; beaten,tortured and separated from their parents.

I am not some sick individual who only sees the suffering from a one sided point of view, but I am also not dillusional to even begin to compare one with the other, just common sense is necessary here, and a truthful heart and mind.

Compare the atrocities and attacks from both sides; plenty of information plastered all over the internet and you will get all the answers you need Rob.
 

Mary P (157)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 6:52 am
Thank You Elias. The Terrorist Zionist State of Israel has set a perfect example for its settlers to follow. Theft, hatred and violence against unarmed and oppressed fellow human beings. America(itself a war criminal) openly shows the world that 'crime' pays by its unjust veto and blackmail to the already suffering palestinians. Its a case of 'Birds of a feather flock together'.

Rob,
What can You do to make GOD'S Light shine forth through the darkness, within you? You must first remove the hate and venom from your heart! And oh! the joy of being found worthy of receiving GOD'S Light and to say to Your brethren: "I too was in Darkness,shackled by hate, drowning in fear, comfortless and behold at Last GOD'S Divine Light has Freed me"

Rob, GOD Almighty is Truly Great. Your continuous spew of hatred for Islam and muslims will Never harm the exquisite Religion of Islam; The Shining Light of Islam will rise higher and higher the more You demonise, insult and mock it.

We all are one, thus we should pay the dues of Brotherhood by walking humbly side by side, in the ways of the Lord with mutual aid and comfort, and heartfelt prayer.

 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 7:41 am
This post is for Lindsey in answer to her last post and I suggest to everyone else not to waste their time reading it.

There is only one way you can interpret "Though shalt not kill"; it still means 'do not kill' no matter who or what it is talking about. You are engaging in word play and completely missing the point.

Obviously, the point I am making is that it cannot possibly be religious behaviour for zionists to march into the land of innocent people and kill them in order to take their land (among other sins). This is clearly what I meant and it still stands. Palestine did not deserve to be invaded and oppressed and the guilty ones were not acting within the boundaries of religious behaviour but were in absolute violation of it. Why are you trying to defending the indefensible? It cannot be done. I repeat;

"And the LORD said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother’s blood is crying to me from the ground. And now you are cursed from the ground, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand." Genesis 4:10-11

Even Satanists "believe in the existence of divinities". Are you telling me that I have to call them 'religious people' because they say they believe in a god? I describe a 'religious person' to mean they submit to The One God. This means they obey God's commandments, at least for the most part. Again, I have no wish to engage in this word play.

'Atheistic' means "pertaining to or characteristic of atheists or atheism; containing, suggesting, or disseminating atheism: atheistic literature; atheistic people". In the context that I used it, it obviously means 'godless'. The Greek 'atheos' is the origin of the word and means exactly that - 'godless'. This means acknowledging no god; atheistic; wicked; evil; sinful. Again you have engaged in minutiae by playing with words instead of tackling the glaringly obvious content of my posts.

Please stop this frivolous and puerile behaviour. I am in no doubt that this is an attempt to fog the serious issues I have raised and to occupy me with twaddle. I have learnt something about patience so if you are hoping to get a negative reaction from me I assure you that you will fail.

The commandment of the Holy Bible, Torah and Quran not to worship any gods except The One God in no way is unconstitutional because this commandment applies to the voluntary adherents of those faiths. There is no compulsion in religion. I refer you to my previous post for proof of this. One has to examine more than just one sentence in order to have a clear picture of what religion is.

I am unaware of any US law which prevents one from rejecting God or submitting to something else. Please research Joseph Burstyn, Inc. v. Wilson, 343 U.S. 495 (1952) in which the court ruled it was illegal to revoke or deny the license of a film deemed to be "sacrilegious". It said that to do so was a "restraint on freedom of speech" and thereby a violation of the First Amendment. In any case, I have no wish to discuss the finer points of US law on this thread. No one has been charged with blasphemy recently in the US and people are free to worship whatever they like in America provided they do not break any laws. I have no idea what point you are attempting to make. There is no reason to insinuate there is some incompatibility between religion and the Constitution. I rather like the First Amendment and I am insha'Allah, a religious person.
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 7:41 am
Funny we've never seen videos of Israeli Jews dressing their children up as Jihad warriors, carrying guns and chanting death slogans, prepping them to die while shouting Allah uAkbar! What kind of sick people do that? It is the Hamas Palestinians that do that to children and hide behind their children and use them as shields like the cowards they are.

If the Palestinian Arabs hadn't started another Intifada, because Jews had the outrageous desire to actually be able to go to their most sacred site in the city they founded millenia ago and pray, which site the Muslims had conquered and taken over this holy Jewish site and built a sacrilege to Judaism on top of it, then refused to let the Jews have access to their most holy site. You Muslims would have blown this blasphemy up and killed all the Jews for building it if they had done that on a Muslim holy site in Mecca, right? That shows the difference here. The Jewish Israelis have allowed this sacrilege (the Dome of the Rock with its hate slogans against Christianity scrawled all around its inner walls, and the Al-Aqsa mosque) to remain standing. All they've wanted is to go there and pray on their sacred site and the Muslims won't allow that! Do you Islamists have no sense of justice here? Is there no occupation, invasion, genocide, ethnic cleansing, injustice, lie, brutality Islam can do that you will not praise and support it?

Arabs live in Israel and are citizens (and most of them in a recent poll said they would not leave Israel to live in a Palestinian Arab State - that should say something). It is a free country and Palestinians worked in Israel until they started bombing schools, cafes and buses and firing rockets daily into Israel. Israel has reacted to defend itself, as any other sovereign nation would. The Palestinians started it and can't whine because the more advanced Jewish Israelis can defeat them. The Muslim world has been trying to destroy the Jews and Israel since Mohammed began massacring Jews in Medina almost 1400 years ago.

Here's a long sickening list of photos and proofs of the Arab Paletinians long hatred of Jewish Israel and the teaching of little kids to hate Jews and to kill them: http://www.barrybrumfield.com/terrorism/teaching_children_hatred.htm

Let's here you Israel haters condemn this.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 7:47 am
Rob, I very much doubt that Sandra's caring about children ceases if they happen to be Israeli.

But the reality is, Sandra, that many Palestinian children do indeed receive the same childhood indoctrination to hate as do some Israeli children:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdx-h-D6lT8

Just as there are both Israelis who want the hate to end and Israelis who want to perpetuate the hate, so there are both Palestinians who want the hate to end and Palestinians who want to perpetuate it.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:06 am
Scott, you state, "I describe a 'religious person' to mean they submit to The One God."

Then you ignore all the other religions and their adherents which do not believe in "the One God" that you personally follow.

"Religion" is not defined as a mode of thought which applies only to those who believe in "the One God". There are, and have been, a multitude of religions throughout human history - many of which do not follow "the One God" but may worship many gods/goddesses. And yet, by definition, they are as much "religious" as you or any other Muslim (or Christian or Jew or anyone else who follows a monotheistic faith.) They just follow a different religion. And while you may not believe those other religions are true, that doesn't make them not a religion. I don't personally believe Islam or Christianity or Judiasm to be true religions - but they're decidedly "religions" in my book and their adherents are decidedly "religious" in my book.

You also state, "There is only one way you can interpret "Though shalt not kill"; it still means 'do not kill' no matter who or what it is talking about." No matter who or what it is talking about - according to you. No killing no matter who or what is involved. Period. Rather obviously that conflicts with your belief that the Palestinians have a right to kill to achieve their freedom from oppression.

I've always believed that there are many people who can hold an opinion different from mine while still holding that opinion in good conscience. Since there are so many ways that people of goodwill can view so many different concepts and situations.

 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:10 am
Old friend Mary P, you always give us a good chuckle with your touchy feely love everyone fake talk "We all are one, thus we should pay the dues of Brotherhood by walking humbly side by side, in the ways of the Lord with mutual aid and comfort, and heartfelt prayer." You certainly aren't talking about the deity of the Qur'an and hadith because these words don't fit with that god of war and hate at all.

You and the other Islamist who have answered the call to come to Care2 and spread your Taqiyya to the ignorant dhimmis and kafur here make a splendid effort to talk about love and tolerance while totally avoiding anwering the many quotes from your books of hate and intolerance and punishment. The only hate here comes from the quotes from Islam's holy books. Not all of us are ignorant of what Islam teaches and is all about. We remember some of the 99 names of your god Allah - The Great Deceiver, The One Who Causes Affliction, The One Who Causes Death, The Severe In Punishment - all names for Satan in Judeo/Christian lore. But no mention of a god of unconditional love anywhere, is there?

Since you are on your phony love everyone routine again, let us ask all you Islamists again to prove your love and tolerance and that of Islam. Tell us clearly yes or no that you renounce Islam's command that those who leave it, those who insult Mohammed, those who don't pray 5 times a day, women who marry out of it and gay people should be murdered. We've asked you all time and time again and none of you has ever said you reject these Islamic commands. We're sure you'll ignore them again, which should be proof to all the naive apologists for Islam here on Care2 of what you REALLY believe and are about - everything that Care2 is supposed to stand for. Everything.

Come on you Islamists tell us you renounce these killings. No flowery beating around the bush of how you don't have any 'personal' hatred against any of us condemned by your ideology to death. That won't work. Do you believe all of these people, among others, should be killed or don't you?

And you non-Muslims who know nothing about this cult of death and oppression, pay attention - note the silence of the Islamists to these simple questions. They have never once renounced their belief in Islam's death sentences. They speak of love and brotherhood, but with Islam, it is always on their terms in the end. Islam will always dominate. It will never accept 'equal' status because they believe they are the Master Race given the command to conquer us all and force us all to live under the medieval tribal laws of this religion of punishment and hate.

We ask you all to read the Qur'an for yourselves and see what it really says. Here it is, a USC translation accepted by Islamic scholars:

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/

Then read the Hadith, the sayings of Mohammed accepted by Islamic scholars as true and used in sharia law:

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/

Before you lend your support for something you should know what it really stands for. Note the Islamists here never encourage you to read these, their scriptures. Read them and you'll understand why. By your vocal and tacit support of Islam you are promoting its agenda of world conquest and hate, its commands to kill the people we mentioned above and a world of darkness where questioning and freedom of speech and thought end in death. You are perpetuating the oppression of millions of good Muslims. Educate yourselves before you make your decisions and judgements.
 

Mary P (157)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:14 am
Rob, "They have accomplished probably more than any other people proportionally in science, the arts, music and literature. They have a long list of Nobel Prize winners. Arabs have produced virtually nothing in any of these areas."


Copied and pasted for you from another thread where you or a fellow muslim- hater, made the same accusations against muslims (not contributing anything to the world).

Below are a just a few contributions by Muslims to the world.

CONTRIBUTIONS TO MEDICINE

865 - 925 AD - Muslim physician, Abuu Bak Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Raz1, classified substances into vegetable, animal or mineral while others divided them into bodies, souls and spirits.

He found treatment for kidney and bladder stones, conducted research on smallbox an measles, explained the nature of infectious disease and was the first to introduce alcohol for medical treatment.

He also proposed the trial of proposed remedies on animals first in order to evaluated their effects and side effects and was the first to use opium as an anaesthesia.

Al-Idrisi [b. 1099] studied botany which lead to a number of new drugs from plants which became available to medical practitioners. He also contributed to geography, zooloy and therapeutical aspects of which his works were translated into latin and remained popular in the east and west for centuries.

Muhammad IBn al-Baitar was a botanist and pharmacist of the middle ages. He travelled as far as Africa and Asia minor to collect plant samples which led to one of the greatest botanical compilations dealing with medicinal plants in Arabic which was translated into Latin as publised as late as 1758.

Muslims were responsible for the development of innoculation.

Ibn Al-Nafis discovered Pulmonary Circulation and had great insight to capillary and coronary circulation. He is known as the father of Circulatory Physiology.

CONTRIBUTIONS TO MATHEMATICS

Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi [780 - 850],
was the founder of modern Algebra. He developed sine, cosine and trigonometrical tables which were later translated to the West.

His book on algebra :The Calculation of Integration and Equation was used as late as the 16th century in European Universities. He was the mathematician which leads to the solving of an unknown by the collection of all unknowns on one side and all of the knowns on the other. Do you realize how important that alone is to the world? He also contributed to the use of exponentials and categorized six basic types of equations.

Al-Khawarizmi introduced the decimal position system, the concept of zero and he along with others were the first to map the globe.

Abu "the Egyptian calculator" Kamil [850 - 930] established rules for manipulating algebraic expressions and proved various mathematical laws.

Abu-Bakr Al-Karaji was the first to combine geometry with algebra.

Al-Samawal created the power law in 1180.

CONTRIBUTIONS TO PHYSICS

Al Biruni wrote on specific gravity and developed formulas to determine absolute and specific weights of all objects.

Abu al-Hassan al Haitham contributed to optics and the scientific method. He worked on mirrors, lenses, reflection, refraction and magnification and burning glasses. He is considered the father of modern optics. He also is the discover of inertia. He explained rainbows through the principle of reflection. He was known for the earliest use of the camera obscura which led to photography.

These are only a few samples of their contribution to medicine, physics and mathematics, not to mention contributions to chemistry, botany, biology, engineering, the arts, language, philosophy and geographrapy.


 

Mary P (157)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:26 am
Rob,

Psychological Study of the Mentality of Jewish Children

A letter from a Jewish child to a Palestinian child, said, “I hope you and your family will burn in hell.” These ugly expressions and desires come from an Israeli child who took part in a research study. The study was conducted by an Israeli researcher and translated into Arabic. The study was presented to a teaching committee at the London School of Economics (LSE). The researcher is a former soldier and a member of the anti-terrorist unit in the Israeli army. He studied psychology at the LSE.

The study involved more than eighty Israeli children and it indicates that the current generation is passing a Zionist legacy to the next generation. Zionism is being passed to the younger generation — even more than knowledge of the Torah. The parents of this generation know how to plant hate and anger toward Arabs in children’s minds to such an extent that children are happy to hear of the death of Palestinian child or to hear news of a Palestinian official’s being assassinated. The researcher observed the problem and has searched for results and reasons. The reason he conducted the study was because of a contradiction in Israeli policy. In August 2000, Ehud Barak promised to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and in August 2001, Sharon was talking about the assassination policy.

The researcher talked to eighty-four children after the suicide bombing in the nightclub. The result shows the hate Israeli children harbor towards Palestinians has reached a high point. Children under the age of eight have pictures in their minds of Palestinian children as blind and with no teeth. They wish that those children would suffer from Aids and burn in hell. Israeli children admitted to these feelings. What is even stranger is that they used very strong language, which cannot be published here.

The researcher asked each child to write a letter to a Palestinian. He also asked them to draw a picture of a Palestinian child. The results were amazing because of the quantity of hate these children under the age of eight manifest. There is a mixture of fear and anger in these children. To begin with, the children asked two questions. The first was whether to write the letter to a good or bad Palestinian and the second was if they could curse in the letter.

These are excerpts from some of the letters written by Israeli children to their Palestinian counterparts. A girl wrote, “I wish that you would die and be sick. I am looking forward for the day of your death.” Another child wrote, “I do not like what you are doing to us and I hope you die.” Another child wrote, “To disgusting Muhammad, I want you to die. I want you to live a bad life. I do not like you. I hate you because you are terrorists. I hope you burn in hell.” Another child wrote, “To ugly Yassir, do you think you will win? I think you are very wrong. Here is some advice for you — take a knife and stick it in your father’s and mother’s hearts and then blow yourself up.” Another child wrote, “Greetings to a girl who lives with bad people. I want you to tell your father to stop attacking us and for peace to prevail. I hope you will grow old quickly and die fast.” Another one wrote, “I hope you are sick and will die quickly.”

An Israeli child drew a cartoon of a Palestinian child watching a suicide bomber on TV and saying as he laughed, “This is exciting. Many people are killed.” Another child wrote, “To me, you are nothing. You are stupid and dissolute. We are going to blow you up until you all die. You are happy because you blow us up and kill us. Wait until we blow you up.” Another child wrote, “I know it is difficult to live without a home. I do not like your people fighting my people. We want to live in peace.” Another child wrote, “I want to say you are a piece of garbage. I hope you die, amen. That is all what I wanted to say.” Another child said, “Oh Killers! You are disgusting. Your bodies are rotten. I wish you sons of dogs would all die.” A young child wrote, “What do you want from us? You have taken everything. Stop.” Another one wrote, “The only thing I want to know is why you look ugly and wear torn clothes. It is easy to distinguish one of you in a crowd. It only makes me sick.”

The researcher said that all Israeli children believe that Arabs are bad and Israelis are good, that Jews want peace and Arabs want war and that Jews are human and Arabs are not. The researcher assures us that such feelings are increasing in these children. The researcher wants to find why Jewish children bear so much hate for Arabs. He asked an Arab child to write a letter to an Israeli child. The researcher said, “The letter came as a shock to me.” The Arab girl wrote, “To the Israeli child that I saw at the Pyramids in Egypt. My father refused to allow me to talk to you. I told him I wanted you to be my friend so I could ask you why Israelis are killing Palestinians.” Now, let us look at the difference of vision between Israeli and Palestinian children.

In the future we may conduct a similar study of Arab children’s feeling toward Israelis. The most important question is who — or what — is responsible for forming these beliefs in young children. Israel has achieved a huge success in molding the minds of children younger than ten. Thus does Zionist thought develop day by day. Hate and anger are being planted in children and this will make it impossible to reach a peace agreement between the two peoples>
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:33 am
Before you decide to support one side or the other here is a good quote from Barry Shaw from www.onejerusalem.org:

"The majority of those that will vote in favor of this proposal (a unilateral Palestinian State at the 1967 borders, lost because of Arab invasion and attack against Israel) know the radical implications of this resolution. Those who are ignorant of the significance of 1967 lines need to be reminded that this would include Israel being forced to cede to the Palestinians such valuable real estate assets as The Temple Mount, The Wailing Wall, The Hurva Synagogue, The Jewish Quarter of the Old City, The Rockefeller Museum, Hadassah Hospital, the Mount of Olives, the Garden of Gethsemane, the Room of the Last Supper, the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Perhaps the Hebrew University, which also falls within the 67 boundaries, will be renamed "the Islamic University"?

Think of the freedom all of these sites are allowed for visitors by the Israelis, except the Jewish holiest of sites, the Temple Mount, which is occupied by the Islamic Crusaders' Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosque built on top of it and where the Muslims will not allow Jews to even go and pray. This site will only get more restricted if under Palestinian Arab rule.

Also, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre was already destroyed once when the Muslim Crusaders invaded and occupied Jerusalem and sheikh Othman had it torn down and the tomb of Jesus hacked away to the bare rock beneath (Islam teaches that Jesus was only a man, a muslim prophet, who didn't die on the cross for all humankind, was not resurrected and was not the Son of God, despite the Islamists always telling us that 'we believe in Jesus'. They do not).

The Jewish Israelis have protected and allowed free access to all of these sites, do you trust the Palestinians to do the same when Hamas is persecuting Christians right now and forcing Christian women to wear Islamic covering or be attacked and beaten or have acid thrown in their faces? There's a reason that most Arab Israeli citizens polled recently said they wouldn't want to live in a Palestinian ruled State.

Remember what the Hamas motto is (the same as the Muslim Brotherhood):

"Allah is our objective, the Prophet is our leader, the Qur'an is our law, jihad is our way, dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." Read the Qur'an we gave the link for above and see if this is what you'd like to see ruling Jerusalem's holy sites.
 

Mary P (157)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:49 am
Rob, unfortunately there are people like you, both amongst the israelis and palestinians who promote such hatred of one another even amongst their own little children.

Rob, fellow muslims and I have answered your sic repetitive questions umpteen times on many many threads. Now we leave you alone to boil in your own stew of Hatred. Hope you dont get burnt. Peace.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 9:27 am
R&J. It is forbidden to invade and aggress in Islam. This is categorically stated;

"Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not aggress. Surely God does not love the aggressors." Al-Baqara 190

History is full of inaccuracies and has been entirely rewritten in some cases. I was told at school that Columbus was a great explorer but it is clear that this was not the case; he was a devil incarnate, a paedophile, a slave trader and a cruel genocidal maniac. If you want to go back in history and accuse Muslims then how can you do this without also accusing the so called 'Christian crusaders' who wiped out the Incas and the Mayans and went on slaughtering their way across the world while calling it 'Empire'.

Your totally one sided and largely inaccurate version of history is tantamount to hatemongering. In any case, the Holy Quran is what you have to besmirch in order to malign Islam; if it is evil then you would have some reason to hate Islam. But it only teaches enjoining the good and forbidding the evil. Anyone who acts to the contrary is not adhering to this beautiful faith. So forget wild claims that certain men did this and that; only the ignorant would judge two billion Muslims collectively based on prejudice and unsubstantiated accounts of people who died centuries ago. This kind of collective smearing campaign is bigoted and/or racist. Fortunately, most people have moved on from such ignorance.

It is long overdue we recognise that no one who aggresses can do so with 'God on their side'. There are untold atrocities and invasions, most of which stemmed from the 13 illuminati bloodlines. I hate to say it and I must add that it bears no relation to the Holy Bible but most of the atrocities in the world have been committed by imposters who claimed to be 'Christian'. Even as recently as right now, there are our soldiers invading other countries based on lies. None of these countries aggressed against us; there are a handful of criminal 'terrorists' who were certainly not acting on behalf of these countries and were clearly violating major principles of Islam and there are even stacks of evidence implicating a 'false flag' deception. Certainly most if not all of the wars in the last 2000 years are connected to these illuminati, including the two World Wars.

Jizya is a smaller tax for non-Muslims because there is no compulsion in religion. Muslims pay extra because it is obligatory on us to give a minimum of 2.5% of our earnings to charity. This is best given to the most vulnerable members of society; the orphans, the poor and the infirm. The fact that you don't mention this shows your intention to breed divisions based on deceit. I have publically explained this to you before. If anyone doubts this information please say and I can find all sorts of proof.

Where is the freedom of Israel when it condemns Jews and beats them if they speak out for peace and an end to oppression of the Palestinians?

The most harmful place for Jews is in Israel;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh2mdPbYnZI


The difference between a Jew and a zionist; (Please note the topmost loved comment)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxiwBpbGmoU&feature=related


25,000 Jews live in Iran alhamdulillah (Allah be praised). There is an election annually in Iran; it is the most democratic country I know of.

Jews and Muslims have been great friends and neighbours for centuries. Jews and Muslims are extremely similar brethren in faith. This is not a religious conflict; there are no major differences within the scriptures of any of the Great Faiths - Christianity and Judaism clearly run concurrently and Islam contains the same most important principles of both beautiful faiths. All of their prophets (peace be upon them) are revered by Islam and with the addition of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sall Allahu 'alayhi wa-'alih), Islam is 'The Completion of Religion'. That is not to say that the promises made in the earlier versions are inferior or not wholly able to guide their sincere adherents to Paradise but one can easily see through even a minimal investigation that we are all brethren and servants of the One Almighty Creator (Azza wa Jall).
 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 9:29 am
Rob, every single point you raised in your post has been anwered already by Scott on another thread. You either didn't take the time to read it, or you already forgot. That's what a lot of hate can do to the mind you know; it blocks out everything else.You need to take more vitamins,I heard yoghurt too is very useful in forgetfulness :)

I leave it up to Scott to decide if he wants to bother reposting or guide others to the page where he not only made the trouble to answer in full detail and with great care not to miss any points,but where he invited you and others to personally contact him and I add myself to this list, in full confidentiality. Have you made use of that offer, Rob? Apparently not!

You need to understand something else too. It was one particular date where an unfortunate false flag occasion took place in the US, which unjustly took the lives of many. The US government and their Zionist media wasted no time to blame Islam and the Muslims, and with that initiated a massive hate campaign against Islam ever since.

It was 9/11 and the deliberate explosions of the twin towers. I am not going into the event itself, because I am convinced it was a conspiracy and an inside job and there is plenty of scientific proof to support this claim.

What I will say, however, is that it was precisely this occasion that had Americans and Europeans wonder about Islam and the Muslims as they unfortunately were mislead by their governments and media and initially believed the lies they were told, which are the same you are trying to spread.

So, many of them went to their nearest Book Shops and bought copies of the Holy Qur’an to find out for themselves. Most book shops were sold out soon after, as so many people had bought.

And it was the magical and beautiful words they never knew were in this Holy Book that awoke them and they converted to Islam in a short period of time,because of what they found in our Holy Book.

Anyone, interested in the truth on Islam, please contact us, not Rob and Jay, who will direct you to hate sites or sites which present false information on Islam. They, as well as the western media and hate propaganda will not hesitate to guide you to material of falsehood and hate and demonise anything or anyone, even the best of people, as long as they have anything to do with the religion of Islam.

That they hate our religion is clear for all to see, but, should there be interest, you owe it to yourself to get the truth first and then make up your own mind, as these two are so full of hate they have lost all vision.

Below is a list of some prominent persons who have converted to Islam, and the list is still growing. Why would people convert to a religion that is what Rob says it is; I won’t even use his filthy language and repeat what he says. I will say this to you Rob. “To you your religion(if any), to us our religion”. Peace
 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 9:31 am
Here is the list of some prominent converts to Islam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Islam
 

Tommy S (11)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:00 am
@ Mary P,Scott etc
This is not a religious conflict; there are no major differences within the scriptures of any of the Great Faiths - Christianity and Judaism clearly run concurrently and Islam contains the same most important principles of both beautiful faiths.
Are you all now having meetings under the "Singing,Ringing,Talking Bollocks tree-
When I think of you all I am reminded of Paul in Galations 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.--- MMMmm
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:17 am
Lindsey. I do not "ignore the other religions" but if someone is a polytheist then that is how I describe them. It is up to me what words I ascribe to people. You can like it or not - it does not concern me.

Satanism is also a 'religion' but I prefer to call a Satanist a Satanist to avoid confusion. If you have a problem with that I suggest counselling because I will not bend - I will not call someone a 'religious man' if they are a Satanist. This is my right.

Please do not twist my words. I did not even mention that it was not unlawful to defend oneself; I literally just posted a response to R&J in which I quoted Al-Baqara 190;

"Fight in the path of God those who fight you, but do not aggress. Surely God does not love the aggressors." Al-Baqara 190

My point is so blatantly obvious that I am sure everyone else understood it immediately; zionism cannot profess to be religious while invading, murdering and then oppressing a people for six decades. I have backed this up with among the most important of all religious principles which categorically forbid such actions.

There is absolutely no way that "people of goodwill" can say that this evil behaviour is religious or defensible. I am sure many evil people would like to believe there is no right or wrong but religion disagrees with them wholly and completely and so do my heart and my conscience. They cannot possible claim to be religious when they act like devils.

Incidentally, Sandra is well known to promote harmony between all Great Faiths and to all people. All decent souls try to reduce hatred in all its forms. We (Muslims) have all expressed our love and respect for the other Great Faiths and are opposed to hatemongering in all its forms. Support of Judaism and Christianity is expressed in our Holy Quran in several verses which I would be happy to paste again if anyone doubts it.

If this television is genuine, which I doubt, then it is most likely the same ploy by 'the Crazies' that Israel was created for (by them) in the first place. Albert Pike wrote (in 1871) that Lucifer told him to create divisions between the Jews and the Muslims in order to start a Third World War. This would fit with the plan that the Freemasons and other societies are obviously preparing for.

God willing, any hate mongering from the television will get supplanted from the Holy Teachings of Islam. Palestinians have every right to feel enmity for the devils responsible for the misery of murder, oppression, imprisonment, poverty and humiliation and constant danger but they must resist this illegal military occupation in every courageous and wise way possible and act out of duty and love of Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) rather than bitterness and grief. This is asking a lot but with God's help it is possible.
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:22 am
Well, there would be a long list of converts from Islam to Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism too, but that doesn't prove anything. According to the Pew Polling org the exchange between Christianity and Islam each year in 'converts' is relatively equal. So?

There would most likely be many more people leaving islam if they didn't have to fear being killed by Muslims following Mohammed's command to kill those who leave it. "...for the Prophet said, 'if somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." Bukahri 4:52:260 Nice. That would surely keep a lot of those wanting to escape islam from doing so, even in the West.

Here's a UK Channel 4 TV documentary 4 part series about the thousands of Muslim converts to Christianity in the UK who are victims of violence and must hide to save their lives: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soSJbgAKbw8

Here's the video telling how 75% of all US converts to Islam renounce Islam within 3 years when they find out what it is really about, after falling for the smarmy lies of the missionaries, like what you say. Then they find the truth and actually read the Qur'an and hadith etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8EC8-aVlrE&playnext=1&list=PLC2140574EF5554BC

And here's the Al Jezeera interview with a hatefilled Muslim leader admitting that 6 million Muslims were renouncing Islam each year in Africa alone, and, of course, he was demanding they all be murdered in line with your exquisite religion's commands. The only religion that commands the killing of those who leave it (like the mafia):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo

And here's the list of Muslims who have left it - only a partial, but still long list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_from_islam

Don't forget the notable Archbishop of York and some other notable Anglican bishops and clergy in the UK alone.

It is also interesting to note that there is a growing movement in India for Muslims there whose ancestors were forced to convert to Islam or die to revert back to being Buddhists and Hindus (since these 'pagan' religions don't have the option that Jews and Christians have to just be oppressed subjects of Islam and pay an oppressive nonMuslim tax - no, these 'pagans' are to be killed if they don't convert, which is pretty good incentive, isn't it).

It is estimated that Islam killed at least 10million Buddhists in India alone (we think that is very low) when Islamists invaded and colonized India and they destroyed many temples and monastaries and virtually eradicated Buddhism from the place it was born. This is now happening to the Chakma Buddhist in Islamic Bangladesh and to the Buddhists of Thailand who are being driven out of their traditional homes in the south due to the violence and beheadings of the Islamists there who are trying to force non-Muslims out so they can establish a Muslim state - just like is happening in several other countries by violence, and by coercion and settlement in western countries. You know about all of that.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:22 am
Islam preaches exactly the same Gospel that Jesus brought (peace be upon him). Many Biblical Prophets (peace be upon them all and their families) appear throughout the Quran. You should have a look through it one day.
 

Tommy S (11)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:32 am
@ Scott
Anyone, interested in the truth on Islam, please contact us, , not Rob and Jay,
Why would anyone contact Rob and Jay you are doing a grand job on your own spreading "the truth" about islam
Rob and Jay are really getting to you - you cant refute them theologically so now you accuse them of lying and try to gain approbation by stating that the hated kufr have something in common with islam when you know very well they are regarded with utter hatred and contempt for having corrupted their texts
but then this is par for the course and I am surprised that Care 2 allows such blatant proslytising
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:48 am
R and/or J. It is incredible that you ridicule dear Mary because of her beautiful capacity for compassion, forgiveness and wish for harmony and peace while spouting a stream of lies that, if believed would cause others to hate us.

I don't need to spell out how this makes you look.
 

Tommy S (11)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:54 am
@Scott
Islam preaches exactly the same Gospel that Jesus brought (peace be upon him).
Give it a rest their is only so much bollocks one can take and when you start insulting Christians with your isa who only existed in mohammeds imagination. and by the way the injil was never lost--- It never existed
The isa of the koran is best described by someone else (I cant lay claim to this) "as the result of fable,imagination and ignorance" and in time he is divorced from the Christian Jesus by over 1000 years
 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:54 am
You are addressing the wrong person Tommy. Your first statement was mine,not Scott's.

It was in response to Rob's comment, nothing to do with proselytising. But thanks for repeating it for me :)






Peace
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:09 am
To: Tommy S, Rob & Jay,Bob Alergon,
I hereby quote from the holly Quran "

"The true servants of the Most Merciful are those who behave gently and with humility on earth, and whenever the foolish quarrel with them, they reply with [words of] peace.’"
(al-Furqan 25: 63)

Peace for you Tommy.Peace for you Rob & Jay.Peace for you Bob Alergon

 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:26 am
Thanks to the 1,134,404 and running who have signed the petition. We reached our target of 1 million before the UN General Assembly on September 19th. Now help us reach our new target of 1,200,000

www.avaaz.org/en/indepenence_for_palestine_en/?rc=fb&pv=99
 

Mary P (157)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:35 am
Rob, this is very important information on your idols 'The Zionist Israeli Regime'


I think all people of the world should read this since this was what started the disgusting 'War on Terror', Islamophobia and the Mass Emergence of Islam Hatemongers. Read and make up your Own Minds.


Copied and Pasted from :http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/the-911-delusion-israel%e2%80%99s-false-flag-jingoism-and-inhumanity/



The 9/11 Delusion: Israel’s False Flag, Jingoism And Inhumanity
Posted: September 19, 2011 by crescentandcross in Uncategorized







On September 11th, 2001, Mossad struck New York City, igniting a fire of war and xenophobia that has engulfed the entire globe.

Jonathon Azaziah

www.maskofzion.com

Welcome to hell madames and sirs, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, friends and enemies. Welcome to dystopia, a nightmarish incarnation where Orwellianism flourishes like fungus in the darkness of the forest and American jingoism and Western exceptionalism act as its foundational pillars. Welcome to a world where militarism is the religion of the masses and rituals of piety and righteousness include the spilling of innocent blood in faraway lands, inhabited by the undesirables commonly mislabeled as ‘ay-rabs and moozlums,’ or in classic Orwellian dialect understood in gleeful ignorance by these said masses, ‘extremists, terrorists, fanatics, islamofascists, despisers of freedom, haters of liberty.’

And the god of this sickening hyper-nationalistic religion? In accordance with the most deranged interpretation of monotheism, there can only be one and it is ‘Israel,’ the usurping supremacist entity evilly resting on the land that it usurped from the indigenous, the bones of the innocents that it slaughtered, the roots of the ancient trees that it uprooted and the history that it buried in the ‘nakba,’ Arabic’s chilling word for ‘catastrophe.’ This bastardized historical abomination, with its global matrix of Zionist operatives and sayanim (helpers) furthering its agenda on a second by second basis, which you, the West, bows down before in awe, begging for its acceptance, begging for a place in its dystopian reality, has fooled you all; a ‘nakba’ of your very own, only your nakba is not of unequivocal annihilation like that of the magnificent Palestinians who continue resisting this Zionist creature putrefying their land with each millisecond that passes. No, your nakba is a mental one, of the utmost severity. You suffer from the most horrific delusion known to modern man: the belief in the official 9/11 narrative, the 9/11 myth, the 9/11 mirage, the 9/11 lie of (literally) earth-shattering proportions.

Every last one of you that invokes this event, on that ominous September day in America, New York City specifically, in a disturbing, raging, religious matter to justify your belief that American blood is more precious than all other bloods on earth, that there is no ‘country’ greater than America, that the ‘evildoers’ must pay for what ‘they’ did on that day, is in effect, issuing a betrayal. Because in your jingoism, in your abhorrent, racist exceptionalism that essentially states that you, colonizers and occupiers, have suffered more than any other ethnic, religious or national group throughout the four corners of this globe, you have betrayed your true nature; a nature that you are too brainwashed to recognize even if it was placed directly in your optical pathway… the nature of inhumanity. So desensitized by the nationalistic pornography of the 9/11 narrative, you have become incapable of empathizing with the tens of millions murdered, raped, tortured, maimed, dispossessed and brutalized in your name. In the name of your ‘freedom,’ your ‘democracy’ and laughably, your ‘values.’


Fully backed by Western exceptionalism and American jingoism, the usurping entity of ‘Israel’ has become an object of worship in the USA.

Classically defined by the cliched ‘chicken or the egg’ scenario, there is a triad of inquires that must be presented to further comprehend the depth of your impending, if not already unfolding doom. The first: which came initially, your ignorance or your jingoism? Or like sun and moon, land and sea, are the two intimately bound? One cannot be jingoistic if one is not woefully ignorant and one who is woefully ignorant finds ease in accepting the doctrinal depravity of American jingoism. The second: where did the ignorance and the jingoism originate? Man is not born with the tremendous hindrance of ignorance, he has been naturally endowed with the supreme mental power of questioning; of reflection. This power must be manipulated into a state of non-function; it must be suppressed by an outside power with the sole purpose to take ‘those who question’ into its proximity and crush them, like the relationship between boot and ant. And the third, the king of kings amongst inquiries: you don’t even know who carried out the September 11th horror, do you? You do not even have the slightest clue, the most minuscule idea, do you?

The first inquiry is rendered non sequitur by the second and the second, is amplified as it is unified with the third. The answers to these inquires turn your dream into a nightmare, your happiness into misery, your pathetic excuse of an existence, one that is built chiefly on lies, into an unrecognizable world where truth reigns supreme. The truth is a flavor not known by the taste buds of the masses and though they may not be cognizant of it, they hunger for it in a primal way.

What is ironic, nay, what is the glimmering pinnacle of irony, is that the object of your worship, your deity, that supremacist dragon that refers to itself as the ‘Jewish state,’ which you vehemently and hopelessly believe represents ‘the only true friend that America possesses in the Middle East,’ is the very reason that you are so disturbingly and disgracefully jingoistic. The Zionist creature occupying Palestine is the very reason why your ignorance has reached levels as radioactive as the streets of Baghdad, Basra and Fallujah after your army invaded and hammered Iraq with depleted uranium in March 2003. The usurping regime of ‘Israel’ is the culprit behind the September 11th carnage and it is its international media monopoly that is responsible for manipulating your thought patterns into the warped way that you currently think.



There is nothing
about the official
(read: Zionist) 9/11
narrative that stands
up to scrutiny;
the truth is being
ruthlessly suppressed.

Sorry. Jet fuel did not liquify steel. Jetliners did not turn skyscrapers into dust. Flight 93 didn’t ‘crash’ in Shanksville. And no, Flight 77 didn’t disintegrate into nothing upon hitting the Pentagon. The ‘hijackers’ were patsies run by Zionist intelligence and entertained on the yacht of ‘Israeli’ lobbyist and Zionist extremist Jack Abramoff less than a week before 9/11. Osama Bin Laden? Nothing to do with the events that day, and he vehemently denied any involvement two days after the mass murder of 2,973 innocent Americans, opining that the attack was carried out by the ‘government within the government’ of America, that which is controlled by ‘Israel’ and its wealthy Jewish agents who lay down laws which subjugate the American people. Al Qaeda? Doesn’t exist, a creation of the Zionist regime’s peak-level worshipers in America, selling you a pack of fearmongering lies to mentally browbeat you into submission. A controlled demolition brought down the Twin Towers and the Solomon Brothers Building a.k.a. Building 7, not hijackers; not jetliners. The 9/11 Commission, headed by Zionist Phillip Zelikow, and the report (read: degenerate script of inconsistency and falsehood) it delivered, were/are epic, epic frauds.

So, know this, o’ masses of sheep. Know this as you obey the decrees of ‘Israel,’ your god of death, and make pilgrimage to the ‘hallowed ground’ of Ground Zero, your temple, renewing your allegiance to your cult of breathtakingly boneheaded jingoism on a yearly basis every September 11th. Know that everything that you have ever been told about that September day is a lie. Every. Last. Drop of it.

Swallow it; like the pills forced upon you by the crooked medical industry, side effects and all. Welcome to hell madames and sirs, ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, friends and enemies. Welcome to dystopia. Welcome to the world that the Zionist entity built in the wake of 9/11. The following questions are the answers that validate the charge; and validate is indeed the appropriate term, death to ‘alleged,’ to ‘reportedly.’ Death to silence and death to gatekeeping. ‘Israel’ is the culprit and it should be shouted from every rooftop in America, from ghetto to trailer park, barrio to project, Wall Street to Main Street. From there, let it spread like flowers in Spring, defying borders, enlightening all.



There is not a
single aspect
of the 9/11 attack
that does not
lead back to the
Zionist entity.

Does Isser Harel, founder of Mossad and international war criminal, make you feel ‘proud to be an American?’ On September 23rd, 1979, Harel ominously ‘predicted’ an attack in New York City, on its tallest building. This was no prediction however; it was a sardonic public display of arrogance. Harel was preparing you for the chaos that would rip through Manhattan 22 years later and none of you paid attention. What about Shaul Eisenberg, ‘Israeli’ billion-dollar moneyman and arms dealer, Avraham Bendor, former head of Shin Bet, Peter ‘Zvi’ Malik, Zionist spymaster and Steven Berger, Zionist extremist and former New York Port Authority executive director? Do these men enhance your ability to hear so your ears can more thoroughly enjoy ‘the bombs bursting in air?’ It is these men who orchestrated a supreme operation of subversion in 1987 through an organ of Eisenberg’s empire known as Atwell Security to obtain the blueprints for the World Trade Center and prepare it for Mossad’s controlled demolition on September 11th, 2001.

Does the attack on the World Trade Center (WTC) in 1993 invoke the most nostalgic aspects of your belligerent jingoistic religion, making you gleefully cry out in ‘the dawn’s early light?’ This was the precursor, in which the FBI and Mossad worked together in perfect, murderous unison, executing a false flag of psychological warfare that would remain embedded in the minds of all those onlookers as they blindly accepted the Zionist media’s lies on September 11, 2001, remembering 1993 as the ‘historical precedent.’ It was Rabbi Dov Zakheim’s Tridata Corporation, a subsidiary of Systems Planning Corporation (SPC), that would oversee the investigation of the 1993 op, covering the tracks of FBI and Mossad and absorbing the most intricate pieces of intelligence for it was granted unlimited access to the World Trade Center. Rabbi Zakheim would rear his ugly, conniving, traitorous head again on that infamous September day.



The ‘Americans’ of
PNAC were in reality,
high-level sayanim doing
the bidding of their masters
in the intelligence circles
of the Zionist regime.

Does the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), a neoconservative think tank founded and comprised of more than thirty Zionists from the upper echelons of the American political and intelligence establishment, make you feel more at home in the ‘home of the brave?’ Founded in 1997, it this group of (mostly) dual ‘Israeli’-American citizens that has put plans in motion to expand America’s already global hegemonic influence even further, through military domination and an open, intimate relationship with the usurping Zionist entity, creating a two-headed war-driven beast, headed by the most ardent of Zionists. It is these men who penned a document one year before the fall of the World Trade Center entitled ‘Rebuilding America’s Defenses,’ in which they called for a ‘new Pearl Harbor’ to serve as the catalyst for their agenda. It is these men who for the last decade, have sent your children and grandchildren to their graves as murderers of Arab and Muslim innocents, all for the sake of reaffirming the power of ‘Israel.’

Do Rita Katz, daughter of an executed ‘Israeli’ spy, former Zionist occupation soldier and founder of SITE Intelligence Group, and Ben Venzke, Mossad agent and founder of the Intel Center, fill you with the very essence of the ‘land of the free?’ It is these two assets of the Zionist intelligence matrix that have been pumping your brains full of Al-Qaeda boogeyman stories, phony ‘Islamic terror’ plots and fake Bin Laden videos for the last decade. It is Katz and Venzke who provide government agencies and the Zionist media with their ‘expertise’ on Arab-Muslim affairs. Expertise, in this context, is synonymous with dissemination of pernicious hasbara. Does the name of ‘Islamic extremist’ Adam Yahiye Gadahn strike fear in your heart? Ben Venzke’s Intel Center has consistently peddled his video messages to the Zionist media. Gadahn is no more an ‘Islamic extremist’ than Katz or Venzke; he is an Ashkenazi Jewish actor, sayan and son of an ADL director.



Michael Goff:
Zionist extremist,
Mossad asset,
9/11 criminal.

What of Michael Goff, an agent of Mossad and controller of the subterranean software firm P-Tech, does this man add gleam to the ‘broad stripes and bright stars?’ It is Goff, whose family has done the dirty work of the Zionist entity via their activities in the B’nai B’rith Commonwealth Lodge of Worcester, Massachusetts for decades, who directed the penetration and shutdowns of government computer networks on September 11th through the vast digital reach of P-Tech, triggering (arguably) the most grand security collapse in modern history. And what of “United 93,” the Hollywood epic that immortalized the myth of Flight 93’s ‘crash?’ Surely, this mesh of smoke, mirrors and hasbara stoked the flames of your ‘patriotism.’ Not a single frame of it was rooted in anything even resembling actuality and its producers were exclusively Zionist, adding another venomous layer to their delusive 9/11 narrative.

Does the sound of the names Lewis Eisenberg, Larry Silverstein, Frank Lowy and Ronald Lauder give you hope in ‘the havoc of war and the battles’ confusion?’ Eisenberg is a dedicated member of the Zionist lobby and chaired the Port Authority at the time of the September 11th attacks. Silverstein is an ultra-Zionist and prominent board member of the intensely pro-Israel United Jewish Appeal. Lowy is an ex-Haganah terrorist, former Golani Brigades commando and Zionist billionaire. And Lauder is head of the Zionist cosmetics firm, Estee Lauder, a member of at least seven Zionist lobby organizations, founder of a disciplinary school for Mossad on ethnically cleansed Palestinian land and the person predominantly responsible for transferring the World Trade Center from public to private hands; private Zionist hands, that is. These four men orchestrated the privatization of the World Trade Center, finalizing Zionist control over it in the weeks leading up to the attack. Silverstein would take out an anti-terrorism insurance policy on the WTC just 6 weeks before it was brought down and in the aftermath, he would profit in the billions thanks to the finagling of Jewish-Zionist judge Michael Mukasey, who manipulated the insurance case in Silverstein’s favor.



As NYC burned,
Zionists scrambled
to profit off of the
bloodshed and
get rid of the
evidence linking
them to the crime.


Does the group of ‘Israeli’ citizens identified by the SEC for short-selling 38 stocks and purchasing huge put options on Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AIG, Swiss Re and Munich Re Insurance, United Airlines and American Airlines between August 26th 2001 and September 11th, 2001 make you want to ‘pledge allegiance to the flag?’ All of these companies were directly involved with the 9/11 attacks. The ‘Israeli’ financial crime ring wasn’t investigated to the point of prosecution and those involved most definitely were not arrested. And why would they be? For American Zionists and their tribal cohorts from abroad who commit crimes on US soil, ‘justice,’ as it is perceived in the idealistic legal context, is nonexistent. What about Alan D. Ratner, staunch Zionist and head of Metals Management Incorporated? Doesn’t he make your very being pulsate with the feeling of ‘liberty and justice for all?’ It was Ratner’s firm that purchased 70,000 tons of WTC steel and shipped it off to the Zionist entity’s closest Asian ally, Hindutvadi India, as well as China, eliminating a gargantuan proportion of physical evidence.

Does Michael Bloomberg, brutally ardent Zionist, billionaire and current mayor of New York City, make you feel that the United States of America is ‘indivisible?’ Bloomberg ascended to the mayoral position in the wake of 9/11 and it is he who awarded the cleanup contract to Ratner. It is he who covered up Zionist criminal and AIG CEO Maurice Greenberg’s put option scheme with Bear Stearns and Swiss Re Insurance, further burying Greenberg’s profiteering role in the 9/11 onslaught. And it is he who transformed New York into a quasi-military dictatorship and Islamophobic police state with the help of former CIA chief, David Cohen, a Zionist who headed the agency’s analytical and operational divisions. Cohen has now created New York City’s very own version of the CIA, a mini-intelligence apparatus with full military capability; he, naturally, is its head. Its primary target has been none other than the Big Apple’s Muslim community, which it has spied on excessively since Cohen arrived in New York just four months after 9/11. NYPD’s raids on the Muslim community are modeled after none other than ‘Israeli’ occupation forces’ savagery in the occupied West Bank. Bloomberg has gone above and beyond ‘zionizing’ New York City; he has put its social and ethnic infrastructure through full blown ‘Israelification.’ For the record, Cohen worked for Greenberg’s AIG before being tapped by Bloomberg.



Jerome Hauer:
Zionist extremist,
top-level sayan,
accused murderer of former FBI
counter-terrorism chief
John P. O’Neil.


Speaking of Maurice Greenberg, does this Zionist multi-billionaire and robber of the highest order make the ‘red, white and blue’ on your quintessential flag lapel shine a tad brighter? Do fervent Zionist Jules B. Kroll and stalwart of the New York Zionist community Jerome Hauer do the same? Jules B. Kroll founded the security firm, Kroll Incorporated, which had security dominion over the World Trade Center on 9/11 and in fact had it since 1993 after the Mossad-FBI false flag. The contract was secured largely in part to the persistence and maneuvering of the aforementioned Rabbi Dov Zakheim. Kroll was a wholly owned subsidiary of Marsh-McLennan Companies and AIG, owned by Maurice Greenberg and later, his son, Jeffrey.

Kroll’s primary agent was Jerome Hauer, a close associate of Larry Silverstein. Hauer’s role is especially evil. He placed the Office of Emergency Management inside Building 7, much to the dismay of the NYPD. When Larry Silverstein issued the infamous order to ‘pull it,’ and demolish the structure, classified information in that office, information linking the CIA and several Zionist companies involved with insider trading prior to 9/11, was destroyed with it. Hauer also neutralized a true American patriot, former FBI counter-terrorism chief, John O’Neil, giving him a job in the World Trade Center and setting him up to die when Flight 11 was precision-guided into the secure computer room of Marsh-McLennan Company/Kroll in the North Tower. Hauer, Kroll and the Greenbergs have never even been questioned for their devilish, murderous roles in the 9/11 horror.



Rabbi Dov Zakheim:
one of the major
players of the 9/11
false attack and a
man fully dedicated
to the preservation
of the racist Zionist
regime.

Attention must now be returned to one of the earlier assets of the Zionist false flag on 9/11, Rabbi Dov Zakheim. Does the ‘good Rebbe’ make you feel like you reside in a ‘shining city on a hill?’ It is Zakheim who served as the Pentagon Comptroller from 2001-2004, standing alone as the overseer and runner of the DOD’s cashflow. The day before 9/11, Rabbi Zakheim ‘disappeared’ $2.3 trillion, in one of the most scandalous events to ever hit the White House. Before the end of his tenure, another trillion would vanish. The missing trillions would end up in the pockets of the Zionist entity through a ‘military surplus’ package of warplanes delivered by the Zionist-run Bush administration. Zakheim negotiated the transfer. While your schools, roads and infrastructures rot away in horrific decay, Rabbi Dov Zakheim spends your tax dollars on financing genocide in Lebanon and occupied Palestine. The ‘good Rebbe’ also headed the aforesaid Systems Planning Corporation (SPC), a defense contractor that specialized in remote control technology. SPC was known for its Flight Termination System (FTS), a deadly apparatus with long-range transmitters capable of hijacking a plane mid-flight. Just before 9/11, Zakheim’s firm entered into an agreement with the Pentagon to reformat dozens of 767s with FTS tech. These FTS-equipped planes were what struck the Twin Towers with laser-guided precision on 9/11. And the ‘good Rebbe’ played this crucial role for the good of your ‘freedoms,’ yes?

Ronald Lauder is another criminal Zionist personality whose role must be noted once again, as he assuredly allows you to understand the abyssal meaning of ‘freemen shall stand.’ Prior to privatizing the World Trade Center and assisting its transference to Zionist criminals Silverstein and Lowy, the don of the Estee Lauder empire helped privatize Stewart Airport in Newburgh, New York. It is in the skyways above Stewart Airport, where the flight paths of Rabbi Zakheim’s remote-controlled airplanes, fully formatted with Flight Termination Systems, would converge and make their way to their final destination in Manhattan. To this very moment, Lauder serves in full, Zionist capacity as a Mossad sayan, spewing propagandistic vitriol through the World Jewish Congress against Muslims, Arabs, pro-Palestine intelligentsia and of course, in defense of ‘the only democracy in the Middle East,’ the usurping Zionist enterprise.


War criminal
Netanyahu
thought the 9/11
attacks were ‘very
good for Israel.’


Ehud Barak, Ehud Olmert and Benjamin Netanyahu, former and current heads of ‘the only democracy in the Middle East,’ should make your spirit gyrate in joy over the ‘shared values’ of the United States and ‘Israel,’ correct? It is Netanyahu that designed this ‘war on terror,’ which, is nothing but a war of terror against Islam and those who stand in solidarity with it. The mass murdering war criminal wrote a book entitled, ‘The War On Terror: How The West Can Win’ 15 years before the phraseology was ever spouted by the Zionist-owned mainstream media. Netanyahu mocked the victims of Mossad’s 9/11 false flag attack, stating directly after the controlled demolition brought the towers down that it was “good, very good for Israel. It will generate immediate sympathy.” In April 2008, Netanyahu went even further and said “We are benefitting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.”



These two Zionist
heavyweights played
critical roles in
assuring Mossad’s
operation on 9/11
‘ran smoothly.’

It is Barak that catapulted himself onto the UK’s Zionist-run BBC just an hour after the collapse of the Towers, blaming Osama Bin Laden for the attack and calling for a ‘war on terror’ and an invasion of Afghanistan (and Iraq, Iran, Syria and Libya). It is Barak that stepped down from his post as ‘Israeli’ Prime Minister in March 2001 to serve as an advisor for the NY-based Electronic Data Systems (EDS), a Mossad front partnered with another Mossad front, SCP Partners. This Zionist nexus, led by Barak, secured the thermite explosives used to demolish the World Trade center from several explosives-expert firms in their business portfolio. Barak, essentially, was the overseer of Mossad’s 9/11 operation. It is Olmert who was in New York City the night before 9/11 in a high-level secret meeting with then-mayor and ‘shabbos goy’ Rudolph Giuliani, making sure the stage was set for the ‘big day.’ Olmert himself is directly tied to ICTS, the treacherous ‘Israeli’ security firm which oversaw all three of the ‘9/11 airports.’ One of the founders of ICTS, Menachem Atzmon, is a close friend and political ally of Olmert (more on ICTS shortly).



‘Israel’ was
running the largest
spying operation
in the history of
America. What are
friends for?

Unequivocally, there is no person who embodies America’s ‘Judeo-Christian values’ more than Michael Chertoff, is there? Chertoff, a dual-citizen of the United States and ‘Israel’ and the son of a Talmudic rabbi and one of Mossad’s very first operatives, served as the head of the Justice Department from 2001-2003 before becoming the second Secretary of Homeland Security. If Barak was the 9/11’s overseer, then Chertoff was its chief strategist. 60 ‘Israeli’ spies were detained on 9/11 and 140 more were detained shortly before the event; all of them worked with Aman, the Zionist entity’s military intelligence organ or with IOF itself in the field of explosive ordnance. The spies detained on the day of the NYC tragedy, tested positive for explosives, including the infamous ‘five dancing Israelis’ who worked for a Mossad front known as Urban Moving Systems prior to the attack, gathering intelligence on Arabs and Muslims in the greater New York area to eventually use them as patsies for criminal ‘Israeli’ activity. These spies also worked for Amdocs, the ‘Israeli’ firm of Mossad agent Morris Kahn that collects processing data for 90% of the phone calls, emails, and text messages in America, including several agencies of the federal government.

Many of them also worked for Comverse Technology, run by Zionist intelligence mainstay Kobi Alexander, a firm that equips dozens of law enforcement agencies in America with wire-tapping tech. Alexander also had a minute stake in the Zionist telecom company, Odigo, which he upgraded to full ownership 3 months after 9/11, solidifying a deal with the ‘Israeli’ Ronen brothers, Avner and Maskit. It was an expansion of an already massive Zionist spying operation. Odigo is the firm now known all over the world for warning 4,000 ‘Israelis’ in the New York area with text messages just shortly before Rabbi Zakheim’s planes rammed into the WTC. Alexander and his Comverse partners, William Sorin and David Kreinberg, both of whom served in ‘Israeli’ intelligence, were under investigation from US federal prosecutors for multiple fraud charges but were allowed to leave the country in utterly bizarre circumstances. One week prior to 9/11, Zim Integrated Shipping Services, an outfit partially owned by the Zionist entity, paid $50,000.00 to break its lease and shift its offices to Norfolk, Virginia. Despite the blatant suspiciousness, no Zim official was ever questioned for the motivation behind leaving such a prime location, in the business capital of the USA, one week prior to 9/11.



Michael Chertoff:
dual-citizen of
‘Israel,’ son of
Mossad, chief
9/11 strategist.

What do all of these Zionist-flavored anomalies have to do with Michael Chertoff? Everything. Chertoff’s position in the Justice Department gave him unchecked, unprecedented power over the detention, extradition and sentencing (or lack thereof) of suspects (and would-be suspects like the executives of Zim). Chertoff blocked the efforts of decent FBI men who strove to have the hundreds of ‘Israeli’ spies prosecuted for espionage and terrorism. He supervised the destruction and confiscation of evidence that would have linked the Zionist dragon and its American sayanim to 9/11 like videotapes, eyewitness accounts, written testimonies and debris from Ground Zero. The son of ‘Zion’ saw to it that all ‘Israeli’ suspects were released, without any coverage from the Zionist media or objection from the Bush White House, and under this cloud of non-reporting and non-intervention, he had all of them sent back to the safety of the Zionist entity.

Purging the ‘Israeli’ spy ring from the public’s collective memory, the son of Mossad orchestrated the capture of at least 1,100 Muslim citizens, tourists and immigrants, falsely labeling them as suspects connected to the September 11th attacks. These innocents were tortured in secret facilities, denied access to a lawyer and psychologically abused in secret military tribunals before they were deported, or released back into society with no chance of retribution for the criminal acts committed against them. On the social-political front, Chertoff is the personality solely responsible for the destruction of America’s civil liberty in the post-9/11 era, as it was he who wrote the Patriot Act months in advance of the attack. Chertoff’s Zionist cousin, Benjamin Chertoff, wrote multiple pieces in the 9/11 aftermath, smearing all those who vigorously sought the truth of what really took place on that day.

Would you like some other prominent examples that will unquestionably send your ‘I love America’ meter through the roof?



The 9/11
false flag event
is crawling
with Zionists,
from top to bottom,
pillar to post.

As discussed earlier, the security of the ‘9/11 airports,’ Dulles, Newark and Logan, was being run by the same Zionist company, ICTS-Huntsleigh, owned and controlled by former Shin Bet agents, Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon. ICTS-Huntsleigh would play a crucial role in the ‘British’ 9/11,’ the 7/7 false flag bombings orchestrated by Mossad and MI5 and it would also emerge as a major beneficiary of the ‘Indian 9/11,’ the 26/11 false flag attack orchestrated by Mossad and its Hindutvadi ally, RAW.

Zionist lawyer Kenneth Feinberg set up the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund at the behest of his overlords in ‘Israel,’ forcing every family that lost someone in the 9/11 attacks to wave their right to sue the Zionist-occupied US government for criminal negligence in exchange for $1.25 million worth of blood money. Alvin Hellerstein, the Orthodox Jewish judge with dominion over all 9/11-related litigation, has blocked legal discovery, prevented a trial from even taking place and steered clear of the public eye to bury his role in 9/11. Hellerstein’s ties to the Zionist dragon run deep, as his son, Joseph Z. Hellerstein, lives on an illegal Zionist settlement in the occupied West Bank and works for the ‘Israeli’ law firm, Amit, Pollak and Matalon. Joseph’s law firm has a close working relationship with ICTS and the Mossad-run SCP Partners. Alvin and Joseph, prior to their most recent endeavors, previously worked for the historically-Rothschild-linked law firm of Stroock, Stroock and Lavan, which represented ultra-Zionist Larry Silverstein in his acquisition of the WTC lease.



Sheila Birnbaum:
Zionist extremist,
agent of Judge
Hellerstein, worst
nightmare of the
9/11 victims’ families.

Sheila Birnbaum, the Zionist ‘special mediator’ of Judge Hellerstein’s court, worked vociferously behind the scenes to pressure the families of the 9/11 victims to ensure that there would be no trial and to hurry the implementation of the cover-up. Birnbaum has also been selected to head the multi-billion-dollar Health Fund for the first responders, civilian rescue workers, policemen and others who became extraordinarily sick from the toxic fumes of the asbestos-laden World Trade Center, much to the dismay of the 9/11 victims’ families. Expect large portions of those billions to end up in the hands of Zionist firms and agencies. Birnbaum is a partner in the Skadden Arps corporate law firm, a Zionist fifth column in the United States that is loaded to the brim with Hebrew-speaking, dual-citizen Zionist attorneys hellbent on assisting ‘Israeli’ companies in raising capital outside of the Zionist entity. Skadden Arps is also deeply linked to the Anti-Defamation League.

James Schlesinger, a devout Zionist and your former Secretary of Defense and ex-director of the CIA, runs a corporation known as MITRE that played a central role in subverting air traffic control networks on 9/11. Schlesinger’s family has historic ties to the Zionist entity, with his father serving as the budget chairman of the Steven Wise Free Synagogue, a known front for ‘Israeli’ fundraising. MITRE is the ‘trusted mentor’ of the FAA and worked hand-in-glove with the previously-discussed P-Tech in reducing NORAD’s grids to rubble on 9/11. MITRE’s software is embedded in FAA offices across the country; everything that goes on in the air on a daily basis in the United States runs through MITRE’s national computer meshwork. Yosef A. Maiman, a Mossad operative that chairs a powerful consortium of ‘Israeli’ energy firms known as the Merhav Group of ‘Israel,’ positioned himself as one of the most influential men in Central Asia by taking control of Turkmenistan’s natural gas and forging an atmosphere where the Zionist entity will be the sole profiteer of energy production in the region via the TAPI pipeline, a Zionist project that runs through Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Hindutvadi-controlled India. This is the real reason behind the fascist, destructive invasion of Afghan land.


Americans should
be furious about
the Zionist dragon’s
orchestration of 9/11.
They should demand its
irrevocable boycott
immediately.


And it is there where the introspective and exhaustive deconstruction of your jingoism meets its end and the scathing critique of your attitudes and actions from that 9/11 origin point begins. Instead of directing your ire at the vast yet close-knit network of Jewish supremacists who are dedicated to preserving their usurping Zionist regime and their tribal interests through your exploitation and subjugation, you’ve lashed out in xenophobic, racist anger at their victims; their poor, helpless, oppressed victims. You should be marching to every ‘Israeli’ embassy and consulate in the United States of America, demanding its closure and its officials expelled. You should be picketing outside of every ‘Jewish charity’ organization that is nothing more than a front for Zionist operations inside American borders. You should be demanding that the 300,000 sayanim of the Zionist lobby be deported. You should be screaming incessantly for the boycott of ‘Israel.’ And you should be volcanically outraged that your children are growing up poverty-stricken while the American government hands over $15-20 billion annually to the Zionist regime, $30,000.00 a year for every ‘Israeli’ man, woman and child, every one of them an occupier, as confirmed by former Congressman Jim Traficant.

Instead, truly in the essence of your ignorance, a glorified state of mental impotence, you slash the throats of Muslim cabdrivers, urinate on the floors of mosques, desecrate the holy book of more than a quarter of the world’s population, beat Arab teenagers to death with baseball bats, jeer, slander and verbally abuse Muslim students from every part of the nation, rip the hijab off of Muslim women and stomp on it in some sort of sick display of American secularism, another Orwellian euphemism for hedonism with a mask of falsely-perceived ‘righteousness,’ spy on Arabs and Muslims with your murderous intelligence agencies, violating every inch of their civil rights, call for Muslims to be registered and identified with special markings and have your congressman, all of whom of owned by the Zionist entity, hold hearings on the eventuality of placing Muslims in internment camps, like you did to the Japanese 70 years ago.

And then are your troops; yes, your oh-so-special troops. ‘Support them’ you must, ‘God bless them,’ you pray. Meanwhile your troops, your imperial commandos, your bloodthirsty, trigger-happy maniacs in uniform, are not defending your freedoms or ‘fighting them over there before they have to fight them over here,’ they are engaging in crimes against humanity of the highest order; genocide, the heinousness of which, the world has yet to fully process. And they are perpetrating this inhumanity for ‘Israel,’ for its preservation as the ruling state of this globe; spilling Amalekite blood unstoppably in a ritual sacrifice to ‘bring liberation.’ The Amalekites, ancient enemies of Zion, modern day’s Arabs, Persians and Muslims, must be killed for ‘Israel’ to satisfy its bloodlust. What liberation, you ask? Liberation of resources from indigenous, sovereign hands to be delivered into the greedy paws of Zionist beasts. Don’t you know that the Zionist god of your jingoistic, halfwit ‘faith’ considered 9/11 a strategic advantage and a ‘pressure reliever’ on the international stage? Don’t you know that the Talmudic rabbinate, the real governors of world Jewry and global Zionism, sincerely think that 9/11 is the fulfillment of a prophecy that they wrote about four centuries ago? Don’t you know that they think it is the culmination of the ‘Judgement of Nations?’


Here are the targets
of Zionist Jewry’s
‘war on terror,’ the
innocent,
savagely-oppressed
children of occupied
Afghanistan.


Afghanistan, a once breathtaking Islamic landscape of mountains and mineral–rich ravines, has been transformed into a ravaged, occupied narcotics-riddled deathbed by NATO, the Zionist dragon’s attack dog. More than 7 million Afghans are starving because of this cruel, unrelenting occupation. White phosphorus and depleted uranium can be found in the linings of more than 1.5 million graves of men, women and children, murdered by occupiers for Zionist energy interests. The once-flourishing pomegranate industry has been pummeled into nothingness by the occupation. Now? Only heroin trafficking flourishes and it is 100% controlled by Mossad and its partners in the CIA and RAW.

Are you even capable of fathoming the level of this destruction; of this ongoing massacring of human beings, no different than you or your loved ones? Imagine your family and closest friends torn to smithereens by a bunker buster bomb while they watched their favorite sport, or your youngest and most precious daughter ripped from her bed in a night raid by masked men holding machine guns and raped, repeatedly, and then shot in her head before you and your husband were killed next. This is Afghanistan, every. Single. Day. Without fail. There is a gut-wrenching plethora of stories to tell, too many, really, as the ten year anniversary of the illegal occupation approaches. So, there will simply be one; one which embodies the NATO-Zionist savagery in its entirety. It was March 1st, 2011, when NATO dropped a bomb in Kunar Province, slaughtering 9 Afghan children collecting firewood. Do pieces of firewood threaten America’s ‘national security?’ 9 children, each one a beacon, snuffed out in a blaze; snuffed out like the embers of a campfire fading away.



The same criminals
that planned and executed
the 9/11 false flag attack,
are the same criminals
that skewered Iraq
beyond recognition.
Zionist psychopaths,
the lot of them.

Iraq, the Arab-Muslim world’s oozing, infected wound of sorrow and agony, was once the gemstone of Arabia, a ‘first-world’ social utopia where education, health care and science prospered. Now, Iraq is a rotting corpse; an annihilated garden in which only the soulless flowers of occupation, resource theft and Zionist-controlled prostitution and human trafficking grow mightily, in the sunlight of despair. 5 million Iraqis, inside and outside their homeland, have been transformed into vagabonds, or refugees if you prefer the pretty term. 5 million Iraqi children have been orphaned, their parents murdered, imprisoned or ‘disappeared’ by the occupation. 80% of Iraqis have no access to sanitation, 43% live in abject poverty and 70% are unemployed, but their government, nay, the group of collaborationist thugs claiming to be their government, installed by fraudulent, Zionist-manipulated means, spends an obscene amount of its time and (Iraq’s) money on negotiations with Zionist firms aching to suck away Iraqi resources. The occupation’s shooting and bombing of innocents, black site torture centers and the P2OG-Mossad nexus’s daily onslaught of car bombs are the new norms for the people of Iraq. All designed by bloodthirsty PNAC, years in advance.

Fallujah, where the occupation unleashed a devastating medley of napalm, mark-77, white phosphorus and depleted uranium, is a place where the flesh of innocents becomes water and their bones become sand but since their remains are too radioactive to absorb, the earth spits them back out in pain. Basra, where depleted uranium is as common as the most ancient of Iraqi dates, is place that has burned in violent semi-nuclear conflagration for more than two decades, where cancer in children is normal like their play on a summer day and mothers scream out in rage, in sadness, because they have just given birth to another baby with two heads; three hands; three legs; their organs on the outside; a misshapen body; an exposed brain; horror, on top of unspeakable horror. Karbala and Najaf, places of peace, unity and holiness, shake uncontrollably, every day, as car bombs planted by Mossad operatives rip mothers and daughters, fathers and sons, sheikhs and pupils, to shreds as they bow before their Creator, begging for freedom from the hell brought down upon their heads by the Zionist dragon and its PNAC agents. Their prayers are answered, in martyrdom. Iraq, a gaping hole in humanity’s conscious, the flow of innocent blood endlessly streaming. The body count is over 2.5 million since the occupation began.


The Zionist
dragon desperately
wants to see the
Islamic Republic
of Pakistan
destroyed.

Pakistan, an Islamic Republic known for its righteousness, supreme brilliance and lightning progression in the nuclear, military and intelligence fields, has been turned on its head and kicked repeatedly by the Zionist dragon in the wake of 9/11. It is where American predator drones murder families from above in the most cowardly fashion known to man, like a video game, and a unified front of Zionist and Hindutvadi intelligence operatives murder families on the ground, with car bombs, motorcycle bombs, IEDs and shootings behind the cover of a mask. The grand strategic objective of international Zionism in Pakistan is to confiscate the Islamic Republic’s nuclear arsenal, subsequently disintegrating the society from a moral perspective and leading it away from Islam. Contrary to what you have been told by the hasbaraniks, propagandists and liars of the Zionist media, Islam is not a ‘terror religion;’ it is a code of ethics, politics and spiritual Resistance that serves as the last remaining opposition to Zionist Jewry on planet earth. Your ‘blessed and beloved’ troops, sit behind computer screens, murdering children and others civilians in the thousands across Pakistan, totally oblivious to why they’ve even been given a chair to begin with.

Yemen has been turned into a living nightmare, where at least one predator drone strike is carried out every day. Hundreds of innocents have been murdered in these senseless acts of insane violence; these illegal crimes against all that is good and pristine. And for what? Why is Obama the bomber, America’s ‘first Jewish President’ according to the Zionists that nurtured him and brought him into power, bombing Yemen? Because of Al-Qaeda? The same Al-Qaeda that doesn’t exist and never has existed? No, ‘the first Jewish President’ is bombing Yemen because the more Amalekites that are dead, the happier the Zionists are. Somalia, once at peace, a time that seems to have existed more than a millennia ago, is now quite literally struggling for its very survival as the Zionist Power Configuration and its imperial marionettes manipulate famine and drought, while mixing in drone strikes and torturous black site prisons, under the watchful eye of a joint Western-backed AU-UN occupation. Tens of thousands of innocents have paid in blood for these Zionist tactics; paid with their very lives. Libya, despite all of the Zionist media’s farcical ‘revolution’ coverage, is becoming another Iraq right before the eyes of the world, and every bit of misery, every frame of the bloodshed, has been organized by ‘Israel.’



Over the last decade,
since that fateful
day in September,
the enforcers and proxies
of international Zionism
have carried out at least
1,665 ’9/11s.’

The Islamic Republic of Iran and Syria are being prepped for their moment on international Zionism’s chopping block and, as if it even needs to be said, Lebanon, occupied Palestine and occupied Kashmir are all suffering immeasurably at the hands of the Zionist entity (and its Hindutvadi partner in crime in Kashmir) which upped its oppression ten fold with the inauguration of Netanyahu’s ‘war on terror’ construct. The genocides known as the July War of 2006 and Operation Cast Lead are still excruciatingly singed into the memories of every Arab, every Muslim, every lover of humanity across the globe. Statistically, in terms of numbers, around 1,665 9/11s have occurred throughout the Islamic world at the hands of this Zionist criminal network since 9/11. There was a 9/11 happening every single day in the opening years of the illegal Zionist occupation of Iraq. Remember this when you disconnect from this plane and begin speaking in tongues; ‘never forget,’ you idiotically and pseudo-religiously spout. Your 9/11 is unique in a regard however, because it never happened to you before. 9/11-like massacres in the world of the ‘ay-rabs and moozlums’ continue happening with disturbing regularity and the only reply that you can offer is silence; deafening, wide-eyed silence.



Pointing out 9/11
as an ‘Israeli’ war crime,
one on a laundry list
of ‘Israeli’ war crimes,
has been labeled
‘anti-Semitic’ by the ADL,
a Zionist intelligence front.

The occupied, opressed lands of the everyday 9/11s will not be free until the reason why they are occupied and oppressed is openly discussed, and that reason is the Mossad-orchestrated 9/11 false flag attack. In the same breath, those who seek truth about the events of September 11th are not complete in their quest until they are simultaneously seeking justice for those across the Islamic world who have been devastated in the aftermath of the Zionist pretext. Justice for the occupied, oppressed lands, Palestine in particular, and 9/11 truth are conjoined at the hip of struggle; a struggle against the Zionist regime that sits at the head of all of this global insanity. It is this struggle, for (9/11) truth and justice, that the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith (ADL) dubs ‘anti-Semitic,’ a disgraceful phrase that fully represents Zionist racism and Jewish supremacism, as if the suffering of one group of people sits high above the suffering of all others, a suffering that, to start, has been largely exaggerated and manipulated over time by the rabbinical elite who have sysmetically oppressed their own communities. The ADL, a rotten Zionist organization of mob lawyers founded with the money of confederate Jewish slave owners, kept alive with funds from the Jewish mafia, most notably Lansky lieutenant Moe Dalitz, and now functioning as a wing of ‘Israeli’ intelligence that conducts spying for the supremacist entity, has been instrumental in discredting 9/11 truth seekers who long to have Zionism punished for its crimes on American soil and abroad. ‘Never forget’ that this group of Zionist thugs wants your dissent silenced.



Zionism:
14-year old Abeer al-Janabi
was gang raped
and slaughtered along
with her family by
occupying forces in
Yusufiyyah, Iraq.

‘Never forget’ is a phrase that should be invoked only if truth and nothing but, accompanies its essence as it is channeled from your brain to your tongue. Never forget that the American 9/11 victims and all of the victims coldly murdered after the fact, are united in their innocence and united in their martyrdom. They are united by the identify of their killers: Zionists, Jewish supremacists, sayanim, Mossad, Aman, Shin Bet, Talmudic extremists; these are the criminals, different heads of the same Zionist hydra. ‘Never forget’ this fact. Remember this unforgiving tidbit when you think of those incinerated by Mossad explosives in the Twin Towers. Remember it when you think of the Afghan boys blown to bits while collecting firewood. Remember it when you think of Abeer Qassem Hamza al-Janabi, the 14-year old Iraqi girl of Yusufiyyah gang raped and murdered by occupying forces along with her family; remember all like her in occupied Iraq.

Remember it when you think of the families incinerated by predator drone hellfire missiles while they’re praying in their mosque in Pakistan, playing in their gardens in Somalia or eating in their homes in Yemen. Remember it when you think of the NATO mustard gas and depleted uranium that has devastated the Libyan town of Bani Walid. Remember it when you think of Lebanon, its homes, mosques, hospitals, schools and churches cluster bombed to death by the Zionist dragon during the July War. Remember it when you think of the malevolent massacres carried out by ‘Israel’ in occupied Palestine, from Jenin to the illegally besieged Gaza Strip. ‘Never forget’ that humanity is what unites all of us in this struggle to the death against this monolithic Zionist menace.



Never forget
September 11th, 2001,
Mossad’s ‘masterpiece’
false flag, and all of the
innocents that lost their
lives as a result of it;
on the day and after.

Remember all of this on your next pilgrimage to the ‘hallowed ground’ of Ground Zero, New York City. Remember this as you put your ignorance in a coffin, in the name of truth, and your jingoism right next to it, in the name of justice. Remember this as you reevaluate the ‘monotheistic god’ that you’ve been tricked into believing in, ‘Israel.’ Remember that this murderous Zionist entity is nothing more than a cloud of falsehood; one swift wind of truth renders it useless, meaningless, inconsequential. Remember that it is a false god, an idol, drilled into your consciousness by the Zionist media and like all idols before it, its only destiny is that of fragmentation after being smashed by harbingers of fact and destroyers of myth.

Remember that the 9/11 delusion will die when it is recognized as such and when the victims of it, from New York City to occupied Afghanistan and everywhere in between, are recognized as the same, precious innocents; all of them. With this, the inhumanity against Muslims, Arabs and their friends, forced upon the world by the Zionist dragon, will die too. From that moment, the next phase of the struggle for liberation can be initiated; the struggle to rebuild our societies destroyed by this Zionist world system and more specifically, this ‘war on terror,’ a colonial crusade against Islam forged in the fiery dungeons of Jewish supremacism. What lies before us is a struggle of reconstruction, based on truth, justice, unity and humanity. Glorious humanity. This, more than anything, frightens the Zionist entity and shakes it to the very core because, humanity is the antithesis to Zionism. It is the force that will transform the global ‘Israeli’ empire into nothing but a blip on the radar of history. And it is coming soon; so, so very soon. Insha’ALLAH.

~ The End ~

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The Secret World Of Jack Abramoff: Terrorists, Torpedoes And Republican ‘Muscle’ by Daniel Hopsicker, Mad Cow Morning News

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How Jewish Is Hollywood? by Joel Stein, The Los Angeles Times

Who Did 9/11 – OBL, Bush Or Mossad? The Evidence by Nashid Abdul-Khaaliq, Ascertain The Truth

With CIA Help, NYPD Moves Covertly In Muslim Areas by Adam Goldman and Matt Apuzzo, The Associated Press

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Libya: The Zionist Dragon And The Drums Of War; Section – Israel’s War: From Subversion To Aggression by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Top Secret: Ehud Olmert’s 9/11 Visit To NYC by Christopher Bollyn; Ehud Olmert’s Ties To 9/11 by Christopher Bollyn, Rumor Mill News

7/7: The Terror Drill, The Military Explosives And The Israeli Connection; Section – Usual Suspects: Mossad Enters The Frame by Martin Iqbal, The Empire Strikes Black

26/11: Mossad Terrorizes Mumbai; Section – Show Me The Terror, I’ll Show You The Money by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Judge Hellerstein’s Unethical Connection To Key Defendant In 9/11 Lawsuit by Christopher Bollyn

Overseer Of 9/11 Health Fund Is Chosen by Raymond Hernandez, The New York Times

The Denial Of Justice For 9/11 Victims by Christopher Bollyn; Mayor Giuliani, Senator D’Amato And Israeli Intelligence by Christopher Bollyn

Is MITRE The Trojan Horse Of 9/11? by Christopher Bollyn

26/11: Mossad Terrorizes Mumbai; Section – The Peace Pipeline by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Reversing Natural Relations by Professor James Petras, Al-Ahram Weekly

Congressman James Traficant Speaks Out About The Strangehold That The Israeli Lobby Has Over Washington D.C. by Intifada Palestine

Libya: The Zionist Dragon And The Drums Of War; Section – Conclusion: Purim And Occupation by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Israel Strives To Import America’s War On Terror by Aluf Benn, Haaretz

9-11 – A Date Awaited By The Rabbinate For The Past 400 Years? by Wake Up From Your Slumber

NATO Kills Nine Children In Afghan Airstrike: Provincial Police Say Children Were Collecting Firewood by Jason Ditz, Antiwar.com

The Zionist Murderers Of Iraq by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion; Occupied Iraq: New Year, Same Zionism by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion; Israel’s Fission Field Warfare: Pakistan, Iraq And Egypt; Section – Hostile Environment II: Destruction Of Occupied Iraq by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Army Of Widows, Orphans Trail US War by Press TV

Israel’s Fission Field Warfare: Pakistan, Iraq And Egypt; Section – Hostile Environment I: Humiliation In Pakistan by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Interview With Pakistani Analyst Zaid Hamid: Essential Context On The ‘War On Terror’ by Martin Iqbal, Empire Strikes Black

PSYWAR: The Fake Fall Of Tripoli And The Zionist Dragon’s Butchery Across Palestine I by Jonathan Azaziah, Mask of Zion

Ten Years After 9/11, Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories Alive And Well by The Anti-Defamation League Of B’nai B’rith

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight Of Three Thousand Years by Israel Shahak (rip), Pluto Press

The Ugly Truth About The ADL by The Executive Intelligence Review

NATO Using Chemical Weapons In Bani Walid by Libya 360°
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:37 am
There is so much diversionary stuff on this boiling melting pot called Mother Earth. We are all one. Authority to take peace from the earth was given out 2000 years ago by the Lamb. Does anyone understand what that means? All you have to do to see the 4 horsemen, is to look at History. They have turned into the 4 beasts of Daniel 7, whose Authority to kill will be taken away at that World Court, but they will be allowed to live for an appointed period of time, to smooth things out. Right now, ''they'' are the stumbling blocks dividing this whole planet.

Many wise men have seen that a standing army has been the “bane of liberty since the sword. America must show the rest of the world how to combine technology with nature.
Beginning of a new age
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:45 am
My motivation is to serve God by serving everyone I can in the best possible way; to bring them closer to God and to promote kindness, peace and harmony.

What have I not refuted already on many occasions? You were present on the thread where I destroyed all of the lies not two days ago;

A Message for All Those Who Hate Islam;

http://www.care2.com/news/member/659812841/2923138

For the new readers here, please scroll to the end of the above thread where you will find more than a dozen substantial posts, most of which are numbered and titled, that destroy the same old lies about Islam that are constantly repeated by the same old identities.

The 'haters' have no ammunition; they are harmless. It is a bore for all concerned that we get the same nonsense over and over but it is just a vocation for me, a service I am happy to provide free of charge. I have never felt defeated and I could never be defeated in a theological discussion because the truth is with me. I have no special abilities or talents; I simply have the Holy Quran, which is the verbatim word of God. It is freely available and there is only one version in Arabic. There are many translations but the vast majority, especially the most popular ones are really the same and are accurate. This means that any lies about it are easily uncovered. The Holy Quran is proof of itself.

You say it is evil but I know it is The Absolute Truth. It is so beautiful and poetic, so profound and enlightening. The only parts the haters ever see are the few verses that allow us to defend against Satan's armies. They read misquotes, part verses and fake translations on their hate sites and regurgitate them here but this is no threat to someone who has read the Holy Quran with a soft heart. There is no way you can convince anyone that it is the opposite of what it is provided there is someone around who has a basic knowledge of it.

Why do I do this? Without God, our lives are meaningless. Providing for these bodies is not the purpose of life; it is a trivial duty in our journey to God. When we suffer, and it is almost inevitable that we will, life is very difficult and sometimes even unpleasant. When God is present, even the most exquisite suffering becomes tolerable; even lying in a hospital bed becomes an act of worship in which one experiences tranquillity and even occasional ecstasy. When one submits to God, no matter what one is putting up with, there is always the love of God and there is no greater comfort.

This is what I would share with my brethren if they would allow it. The thought of them suffering without this comfort is too awful; I have to let people know that unimaginably intoxicating bliss and love is there for us all and that the Great Faiths can help us to realise this Most Beneficent, Merciful and Compassionate God is our best possible, Perfect Friend and Master.

You are welcome to reject God; that is your God-given right but I will do everything in my power to prevent you from ruining the chances that other people have to make an informed choice for themselves; if someone rejects Islam I will leave him to his hapless fate but if my brother has been fooled by devils to reject Islam because of their lies about it then this will not do and I will act, God willing, and vaporise these lies with the truth from the Holy Quran. I don't care how much I annoy Satan and his slaves, I will not be deterred.
 

Mary P (157)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:59 am
Send a Green Star to Scott Freewheeler
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Scott because you have done so within the last week.

Beautifully expressed Brother Scott. May Almighty ALLAH Swt grant You HIS Precious Love, HIS Closeness and HIS Intimate Friendship. Ameen.
 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:04 pm
Thanks Abdessalam,Mary, Scott and Michael.

I refreshed and found all of your great posts. I will read all of them first thing in the morning. I have prepared this post and will send it and go to sleep.

It's up to Tommy and Rob and Jay to read it or not.

You know Tommy and Rob. I had a rather heated debate with a supporter of zionism on another thread, where I heavily criticized the principle of Zionism and what it represents and how it affects us globally, and he called me an anti semite and was angry and defensive. Neither of us obviously approved of the other's belief.

But we ended up apologizing to one another and accepting that we are both human who strongly belief a certain way, and that respect for one another is the only way to come to some understanding. He also said, sometimes, it’s those who we disagree with we learn the most from and continued by stating that we can agree to disagree but still be friends.

While I absolutely agree with nothing he beliefs,and surely vice versa, I greatly respect him just for this gesture, as I recognized a lot of good in him; fighting and arguing will only escalate any problem.

As it is, it seems we will never agree, but insulting one another won't do anyone a bit of good either. We will keep being Muslims, and you will keep being who you are.

Where in our behaviour have you ever seen us as aggressive people,as such who you keep describing?

You won't even try to look deeper into our personalities and learn more of who we really are. I think that this is fear, nothing else.

Do we condemn your beliefs and hold you responsible for the criminal actions of those that claim to be Christian ,Jew or Atheist and they commit atrocities and murder and oppress millions in the Middle East; the same who have destroyed the economy, have corrupted the world financially by creation of the unconstitutional federal reserve, and we now find ourselves at the brink of global economic collapse as a result of it; who are destroying our environment and health, empower and enrich themselves, while they wish to enslave us?

Why do you ignore these global problems perpetrated by so called democratic leaders who call themselves Christian, Jew or Atheist, while you make sure you link any bad acts of even just a few perpetrators, who refer to themselves as Muslims immediately to Islam. Any Christian, Orthodox Jewish and Muslim scholar truly observing the prescriptions of their faith are the first to tell you how closely related the three religions truly are.

You just refuse to see it or admit it. And all three oppose evil, oppression and murder and live by ‘do to others as you would be done by’. You just refuse to see it or admit it. Please observe the double standard.

The good Jews and Christians on this network are the first to agree with what I just have, and it is these who are proper representatives of their faith, as they have actually understood what it means to be a good Christian, Jew or Muslim. Wished you could see it too. I am too tired now to add anything else here. Good night everyone.
 

Sandra T (126)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:11 pm
And sorry for stating 'you just refuse to see it or admit it twice', while it's true, I meant to write it only once.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:11 pm
Yesterday I waisted some time watching Obama adressing the UNGA. At the end of his speech I couldn't feel but an other Zionist putting obstacles on the way to a free indepenent UN acknowleged State giving the right to a Zionist entity to give a birth certificate to the Palestinian state. " A true Zionist", I said and for a while I thought many will not be ready to accept this fact.Few minutes later I found the French news agency (AFP) describes his speech as " Zionist speech " Enjoy reading the coverage of Israeli press on that Zionist speech :
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Israeli press wary over Obama's 'Zionist' UN speech
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AFP – 2 hrs 20 mins ago...

Israeli newspapers were unanimous on Thursday in characterising US President Barack Obama's UN speech as hugely supportive of Israel, but some argued it was perhaps too much of a good thing.

"The American embrace" was the front-page headline of the Maariv daily, while the top-selling Yediot Aharonot took a similar line, summing up the impact of Obama's remarks for Israel and the Palestinians as "The hug and the snub."

"Obama not only adopted all of the Israeli arguments against recognising a Palestinian state by means of the UN, he adopted the basic Israeli narrative," Yediot said.

"It is no wonder that Abu Mazen, who sat in the auditorium during the speech, hung his head in his hands in disbelief and despair," it said, using the nom-de-guerre of Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas.

Most papers made veiled reference to next year's US presidential elections as a major factor in determining the tone and content of Obama's address.

The right-leaning Jerusalem Post reprinted large chunks of his speech and, in a commentary entitled "Obama tells Israelis what they've been waiting to hear," said it contained "a dose of empathy and understanding" which had been missing from his previous addresses.

"That is not an insignificant message," the paper said.

In his speech to the General Assembly, Obama reiterated his opposition to the Palestinians' attempt to win UN membership for their state, saying there was no "shortcut" to peace.

"Peace will not come through statements and resolutions at the UN -- if it were that easy, it would have been accomplished by now," he said.

The address included references to Israel's hostile neighbours, to suicide bombs on its buses and to the trauma of the Holocaust -- but made no mention of its settlement building on land the Palestinians want for a future state.

Openly delighted with the speech was Israel's hardline Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, who told the Haaretz newspaper the address was "the best he has ever delivered."

"This speech told the Palestinians that there is no shortcut," he said. "I hope it will convince them to come back to reality and to resume peace negotiations."

But Yediot columnist Eitan Haber cautioned that there would be a price for Israel to pay further down the line.

"The Zionist turns of phrase that were uttered yesterday have a price tag affixed to them, and payment will be due -- if not tomorrow, then on the day after," he wrote.

"The United States has not changed the principles of its policy since 1967, and there was one thing that could have been understood from the president?s speech even though it wasn?t said -- just you wait, your day of reckoning will come."

Haaretz took a much dimmer view of Obama's UN address, with columnist Akiva Eldar slamming the president's "passivity" and his "graceless courting of the Israeli government."

"Speeches like those presidential candidate Obama gave on Wednesday will not advance peace one iota," he wrote.

"Worse yet, Obama's passivity could pave the way to a (Palestinian) civil uprising against Israel and its American patron, and/or lead to the loss of the Palestinian partner to the two-state solution."
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Scott Freewheeler (45)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:18 pm
Thank you Sandra. No one can argue with that. Goodnight dear sister, may Allah (swt) grace you with a perfect night's sleep.

Devastating post Mary! I have never seen such a powerful article on the WTC's Myth.

Thank you to Abdessalam and all of you for your continued support of our brothers and sisters in Palestine. The light of public opinion is growing and evil hates the light. Obama is now clearly exposed as are all the cockroaches that prefer the darkness.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:27 pm
Thanks Mary.Thanks Sandra. Thanks Scotte for your efforts and patience trying to shed light on some misunderstood facts about Islam and its relation with other faiths.It seems,however,that some people have set their minds and are not ready even to read or try to understand.This is really normal.How can a person who closes his eyes, and insist to close them,realize that the sun is shining and he can see the truth if he/she only opened his/her eyes? May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless you.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:31 pm
Scott, you state, "Islam preaches exactly the same Gospel that Jesus brought." Unfortunately there are indeed differences between the teachings of Jesus and what is contained in the Koran. Just off the top of my head, I recall Jesus' teachings that divorce is forbidden except in the case of adultery is different than the Islamic rules about divorce, which is allowed in Islam for far more than just adultery.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 12:35 pm
Obama was "exposed" to many of us since before he was even elected. Unfortunately much of the American electorate was too dazzled by the undoubted positive historic nature of his candidacy to actually see him as he was rather than what he represented.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 1:20 pm
What the Lamb said about divorce...he also said, 'not all can except this, let him who can apply it.'' or such
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 1:47 pm
The full quote, Michael, is:

3 "Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?'
4 'Haven't you read,' he replied, 'that at the beginning the Creator "made them male and female," 5 and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh"? 6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.'
7 'Why then,' they asked, 'did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?'
8 Jesus replied, 'Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.'" (Matthew 19:3-9)

 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 1:49 pm
(I assume that's what you were speaking of - the fact that Jesus mentioned Mosaic law allowed it in the past.)
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 2:16 pm
You left out the part latter which said let him who can except, except it. Not all that was said 1000s of years ago still apply. Its a very tricky game, in times like these, when legalistic applied words, or no longer true. The last advice given to John was basically, let it be and live and let die, by the Beatles in Revelations 22:10-11, which were words told not to be kept secret. The 7 Pearls (as i call them) of Thunder kept secret in Revelations are Rock and Roll, with whose words, the mystery of god would be complete.

Pearls of Thunder are Rock and Roll
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:27 pm
Scott you are so adept at Taqiyya (lying and deceit to promote Islam), but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Your outrageous remark: "Islam preaches exactly the same Gospel that Jesus brought. Many Biblical Prophets appear throughout the Quran. You should have a look through it one day" is beyond the pale, but it is something you Islamists constantly spout and unfortunately the uninformed westerner, which is most people, believe your lies that Islam believes in Jesus.

Jesus taught to turn the other cheek when hit - Mohammed taught to hit them back.

Jesus taught to not judge or cast stones at others (as all have sinned) - Mohammed said to kill those who leave Islam as well as gay people, among others. He taught an ideology of punishment and oppression.

Jesus taught non-violence - Mohammed and his deity taught nothing but. The Qur'an/Hadith are so full of hate and violence and punishment there isn't room to list all the verses here, but, if you've ever read them, you know full well what they are, you and Abdessalam D, who is another one of you Islamists who have come here to propagandize for Islam. I guess you thought you needed a bigger gun, huh?

Jesus lived a life of perfection, love and peace - Mohammed, even by your own Islamic historians, lived a life of debauchery, pedophilia, rape, adultery, slave owning/buying/selling (he even owned a sex slave), murder, banditry, kidnapping, greed, lust and he even wore eye makeup and dyed his beard. He isn't even worthy to eat the dust from Jesus's shoes. He would be in prison for life along with Charles Manson and others just like him today.

Mohammed didn't know anything about Jesus so made up someone who bears zero resemblance to the Jesus of the Gospels.

Islam blasphemes Jesus by even mentioning that he was 'just a man' and was a 'muslim'. How demeaning.

Islam/Qur'an says that Jesus wasn't the Son of God, wasn't crucified nor was he resurrected. That is blasphemy to Christians and a slap in the face to their beliefs, but you Islamists don't care about that, do you. You only care about silencing anyone who might show the truth about your conman of a 'prophet'. You rage when he is shown up for what he really was, even from your own Islamic scriptures and history. Islam can't stand the light of question or criticism so you have to work to silence it all. Truth never has to fear questions, only lies fear discovery. You can blaspheme Jesus and expect Christians to accept it, as they do, but you'll kill anyone who ridicules your criminal 'prophet' - or should that be 'profit'? There's the difference with Islam.

All you Islamists and your loving talk do not fool those who have read your scriptures and writings and know you and Islam really believe in killing those who question it, those who leave it, women who marry out of it, those who don't pray 5 times a day and especially gay people. You have hearts of stone, all of you, and your pretense at being 'holy' and tolerant are so false.

Tell us all, and you too Abdessalam D, that you renounce Islam's commands for killing of the above people. You won't because you and Islam are all about force and coercion. We have asked you many times to renounce these violent, hateful commands of death, but none of you has ever renounced them. We'll see if your new friend Abdessalam will renounce them. (We won't wait up).

You can pick a few airy verses from the Qur'an or Hadith but you know, all of you, that there are many more that abrogate these that are all about killing, force, coercion, arrogance and hate.

Read the Qur'an and Hadith all you who want to know the truth about Islam instead of being blinded by the falsehoods of these Islamists who have come to CAIR2 after being called by Islamist websites to spread the lies about peaceful tolerant Islam which has never and does not now exist. Just look at Muslim countries for the proof of that. (Scott says that Iran is the perfect democracy and the wonderful Islamic state - that should tell you something of who he really is and what he really believes.)
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:31 pm
Go to this other Care2 article about the Hamas leader's son who has renounced their violence and hate and says explicitly that it is Mohammed and Allah that preach hate. He tells well how the Qur'an etc preach hate toward Jews and all non-Muslims and he has become a defender of Israel. The blinders have been removed from his eyes - of course, he will now be killed:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/963664183/2944785
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:37 pm
Here is the USC translation of the Qur'an and hadith (sayings of Mohammed accepted as true) accepted by Islamic scholars:

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/
 

Tommy S (11)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:44 pm
Rest in Peace
total muslim death toll excluding conflicts that involved foreign non arab or non muslim forces for example
the soviet afghan war in the 1980's or the US invasion of Iraq in the 2999's
death toll solely the results of conflicts,wars and genocide campaigns within or among Arab or Muslim
majority countries
Algiers civil war 1990-1998 estimated 100,000--200,000 lives
Chad/Libyan conflict 1978-1987 Libyan losses 7500 Chad losses 1000
Chads civil war 2005-2010 30,000 dead humanitarian crisis since 2001
As of 2008 Chad hosts 280,000 Darfur refugees over 55,000 from central African Republic as well as
170,000 internally displaced persons
Sudans Genocide 1950-present 2.6 million people killed, 2.5 million displaced
Somalias civil war 1977-present 500,000 people killed
Lebanese civil war 1975-1990 150,000--230,000 civilian fatalities 250,000 wounded
Syria 1982-Hama massacre 30,000-40,000 citizens dead (anti baathists)
Jordan Black September 1970-arafat claimed 10,000 killed
Turkey/Kurdistan 1984-present 37,979 dead kurds
Kurd/Iraqi wars 1961-1970 105,000 dead
Iraq (Saddam Hussein) 1979-2003 -- 500.000 deaths,Irqai politicians state over 1.000.000 dead
Irans islamic revolution 1978-1979 60,000--80,000 by the Shah
Iran/Iraq war 1980-1988 1,000,000 dead
Tajikstan's Civil War 1992-1997 50,000 dead
Bangladesh 1971 est 1,500,000 dead
Indonesia 1965-1966-- 400,000 dead
East Timor 1975/1999 est 150,000--200,000 dead
and the killing goes on all around the world
Since 1948 Self Defensive actions by Israelis have claimed the lives of 51.000 arabs whose sole purpose was
to exterminate the Jews--yet Israel is described by the Arabs as Bloodthirsty,Genocidal,Terrorist, or Nazi by
Arab countries---The sole intantion af arabs is to destroy the State of Israel
 

Jay S (116)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:52 pm
Abdessalam D, perhaps you will tell us how the intifada (current one) started because Jews wanted to visit and pray on their most holy site that you Muslim invaders defiled by building your Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosque on top of and won't even allow, in all your Islamic tolerance, the Jews to pray there. We're sure you'll find it easy to defend such arrogance since Islam's atrocities are all for the best of humankind, right?

Tell, us how these terrible Israeli Jews have allowed this sacrilege to remain when if they had invaded Mecca and built a Temple on top of your big mosque/Kaba'a there you Muslims would have torn it down, burned every Torah and killed every Jew you could find (like the Qur'an says).

How can you expect others to be and do what you Muslims will not? You demand more than equality in the west and use our tolerance and laws against us to promote your own agenda to conquer the world for Allah, yet no Muslim country has freedom of religion or speech.

Saudi Arabia spends billions building mosques and missionary centers all over the world to spread Islam's message of intolerance and oppression, yet they allow zero non-Muslim houses of worship anywhere in the whole country - not just Mecca. You Muslims think that's just fine and see nothing wrong in your unfairness when you have mosques in Salt Lake City, the seat of Mormonism, Rome the heart of CAtholicism, Canterbury the seat of Anglicanism, and the worst arrogance of all, is your mosque on the holiest site of Judaism in their city they built centuries before Mohammed decided he wanted to be a Jewish prophet, though not even a Jew. And, here in Europe you Muslims even demand in many places that the secular governments build mosques for you with taxpayer funds!
 

Jay S (116)
Friday September 23, 2011, 1:06 am
Qur’an:33:26: “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

 

Tommy S (11)
Friday September 23, 2011, 2:09 am
mohammed tried to ally alla's name with Judaism and Christianity--His attempt to claim that islam was the original religion is farcical and merely an attempt to claim Judaism and Christianity for islam
Alla appears to be the name of a pagan deityworshipped in mecca before mohammed was born
It should be noted that mohammeds pagan father who died before mohammed was born was called Abd Allah (slave of Allah), and his uncle was called Obeid Allah.
 

Jay S (116)
Friday September 23, 2011, 3:23 am
Good points Tommy about the death toll of Muslims at Muslim hands, but we would like to add the 22,000 women and girls as young as 9 who were raped and murdered at Ayatollah Khomeinii's order when he established the Islamic dictatorship in Iran - (he set the minimum age of execution for girls at 9 and for boys at 16 - there's that wonderful Islamic equality for women again, and he ordered them all raped since Islam says that virgins, like suicide bombers, will automatically enter their Paradise, so as raped women and girls they will go to Islamic hell). Not to mention the several thousand gay people they've murdered under sharia law who were most likely Muslims. (Is it any wonder that Iran has the lowest mosque attendance of any muslim country at 2%? Just shows what a large percentage of their population is rebelling against Islamic rule by the only method they can.)

Here's an article listing some of the Palestinians who were taken in by Israel for serious medical problems and treated free of charge who then used their medical passes to return to commit acts of terror and suicide bombing to kill Israelis as a thanks for their kindness:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terrorism+and+Islamic+Fundamentalism-/Attack+by+female+suicide+bomber+thwarted+at+Erez+crossing+20-Jun-2005.htm

Note the woman suicide bomber whose life the Israeli doctors saved who returned as a suicide bomber to murder the very people who had saved her life. This is a sick ideology that breeds such hate that these people will even kill those who have saved their lives and given them nothing but kindness.

Can you imagine the Palestinians giving free medical care to Israelis? There's the difference between a civilized people and one that is ruled by primitive, hate-driven tribal 'religion'.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Friday September 23, 2011, 3:41 am
What about the death toll the established Christian (?) Church has done here in the New World since Columbus sailed across the pond? Stop throwing stones at the Muslims! The Church is the 4th Beast of Daniel 7, with the 10 horns being the Churches which came out of Rome in Europe. This is just the Crusades all over again. Its Corporate Empire's fruits (rotten to the core!) that brought a few Renegade Muslims to give their lives on 911, to fight back against US not minding our own business.
 

Tommy S (11)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:21 am
@ Michael
You seem to be a little confused between the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of mohammed
mohammeds teachings are the antithesis of the teaching of Jesus--- Jesus never condoned violence whereas islam's history is violence and nothing has changed in 1400 years
and the crusades were the reaction to the islamic invasion of Christendom It was the response of a people then thoroughly sick of islamic invasions
If you want figures of the death toll of nonmuslims at the hands of islam,it is approximately 270,000,000 that
is 270 million

comparisons
WW2--- 60 million dead
WW1--- 15million deaths,20 million wounded
 

monica r (41)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:22 am
The usual bull excrement from the usual purveyors of taqiyya, I see.

Mary and Sandra have NEVER answered R&J's questions about killing apostates, gays, women who marry outside the faith of Islam, etc, unless they mean they have answered that they DO believe it by their refusal to denounce it. Anyone opposed to such things would say so.

Scott has said in a recent posting on Care2 that shari'a is the only way, and by that, he HAS answered, that YES, Scott F definitely believes apostates, gays, women marrying outside Islam deserve to be executed, since "beautiful" shari'a also calls for those things.

Lindsey, you continue to beat your head against the wall that is Scott F's very opinionated mind. He has the missionary zeal of a recent convert, since he constantly accuses anyone of following Islam less than perfectly of being "atheist", which equals "apostate" which, though he will be quick to tell you that neither he nor Islam allows killing innocents, in the eyes of Scott, and the Islam and shari'a he loves so well, apostates or atheists or any non-believer are NOT innocents. They are unforgivably guilty and must die.

The truther BS that Scott and his devotee Mary (her flowery praise smacks of idolatry of him) spout so frequently (and of course it's on this thread now too) should automatically have everyone thinking "consider the source". The type of explosion that would come from molten aluminum (airplanes) and the sprinkler water in the WTC buildings is EXACTLY what the events on 9/11 involved. Mary says there was no plane? Funny, how come my relatives head almost got hit with a chunk of airliner then? And if you don't think a plane "disintegrates" into millions of teeny pieces when it flies into the ground at .7 or .8 mach (70% to 80% of the speed of sound, whereas take-off or landing crashes are about 100-150 mph; HUGE difference) there are plenty of non-9/11 crashes that bear this out. Any time a plane "augers in" to terrain it is devastating. For example in Roselawn (I think that was Oct '94) they identified people by DNA because all there was of anyone was little bits. And "loving, kind" Scott and Mary also deny the losses suffered by the families of every person on those planes.

Mary counters the invention of scores of life-saving drugs, the invention of Intel processors, most social media, the search algorithm for google, non-radiation breast cancer screening, and a plethora of Nobel laureates just in the last say 50 years or so by Israelis, with what? Some medical "breakthroughs" from 100 years ago? Are you kidding? So that's all you've got, which exactly proves the point there is no type of inventions or progress in anything but memorizing quran verses coming out of Islamic education. What type of recent medical breakthroughs do they have? There was the doctor, now living in the UK who patched up torture victims so they could keep getting tortured. And of course all of jihad-dom is abuzz with the medical advances of surgically implanting explosives in shahid which will detonate when they inject the reagent for it. No doubt thanks to this, diabetics will soon no longer be allowed to fly with insulin kits.

What a bunch of cranks. Sandra was it, with your "you can shoot them when they're 12" article....how old do they have to be to strap a bomb vest on them? As young as 6, yes? Just old enough to toddle over there wearing it and an adult detonates it by phone. Nice.
 

monica r (41)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:24 am
Oh sorry, I meant 1000 years ago, not 100.
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:42 am
Mary, thank you so much for this extremely informative articel you provided. The planning and plotting of these people in that article is like that of one of immortality. What of their power and wealth are they going to take with them when they leave this earth sooner or later?

On Judgement day it will be said to them: "But stop them, for they will be asked", what will they answer? They won't have one. But there will be no help for them, and "If they had all this earth has to offer and the earth with it, they would trade it to avoid that day". It will be too late then.

Thanks Michael :)

They are actually just throwing stones at their own selves, because they are all so blinded by their hatred that they can't even see where they are throwing these stones; and one of these days, these same stones will bring them a painful wake up call.

No use or need to get into any further discussions with persons who refuse to use their God given senses; they either have never learned how to use them, or they are so full of self hate that that all senses have become blocked as a result.

At this point all I can really feel for them is pity, and a deep wish that their hatred and falsehood won't affect others as it has them. I have faith that most others can see right through their lies and distortions and inner fears resulting from their ignorance and therefore unwillingness to use reason and logic. I'd rather debate with open minded people who don't feel the need to call people liars because they adhere to their chosen faith.

It's like arguing with people who are deaf, dumb and blind. One will just keep failing at trying to reach them or even reach out to them.

Michael, I think Mary's post above sheds a lot of light on the 9/11 tragedy. I know you believe this was the act of a few Muslims who acted out of despair, but if you read the report carefully, you will see that only controlled demolition could have melted all this steel and pulverised concrete of the entire buildings, hundreds upon hundreds of American engineers attest to that and demandeded investigations which were repeatedly denied to them. Why the denial, if there is nothing to hide?

No airplane crash into a building could cause such extensive damage This was a zionist false flag attack, in order to initiate this massive hate campaign as well as justify all the illegal wars in the Middle East.
But I respect your opinion, if you don't agree. Thanks for all of your support dear Michael, Blessings to you and my friends. Keep well :))
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:46 am
(sp) "demanded investigations"
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:54 am
Sandra, after adding 911 all up, it looks to m like some found out about the plan and then added to it. Has that Shiek they say who master minded it ever denied it? I heard a few years ago on of the Renegade Muslims say this, ''If we could have gotten them to listen to our words, we would not have flown plans into their buildings.''

Oh, though there was video I saw last week of building 7, which had explosions all over it, but it could be a fake.

 

. (0)
Friday September 23, 2011, 5:45 am
Tommy, you state, "the crusades were the reaction to the islamic invasion of Christendom."

Rarely is anything that cut-and-dried. While a large part of the rationale for most was indeed trying to restore Christian rule to a land that had been taken by Muslim conquerors, the Crusades were also a political device by the Pope to gain and solidify power.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Friday September 23, 2011, 5:59 am
Thank you very very much my friends for your solidarity and blessed efforts. Sorry I couldn't join you in this thread.

1,143,098 have signed the petition,
http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?rc=fb&pv=99

The majority of the people of the world, the majority of the governments of the countries, support the State of Palestine.

Today is a historical day of history;

How similar is today to yesterday, Today after hours, Mr. Abbas will address the UN for a historical speech, convoying the needs of his Palestinian people for Freedom and peace to the Global body. Today is the day of victory to the free people of the world, is the day of justice and peace. Today the Palestinians, together with the free people of the world, will celebrate their victory despite the US Veto. The victory of the real truth, the real justice and real peace.

After hours is a historical moment of the history of the humanity. After hours the peace and justice will win, the occupation and war will lose.

Please note;

http://www.care2.com/news/member/206828990/2956060

Viva Palestina
EA
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 6:07 am
Thanks Michael,

When one considers in what way and after how many years they tortured a 'supposed confession' out of the 'alleged mastermind', then this alone leaves too many doubts and too me a lot of more answers.

Why no fair trial? Why guantanamo where they can torture the hell out of someone (excuse the expression), so they can get whatever confession they want the general public to buy.

The CIA and the zionists use people for their purpose and then throw them away when they're done with them. There are quite a few CIA whistleblowers who will attest to this.

Have some visitors who are already looking at me strangely for leaving them sitting alone, sorry have to go now, hope to be back later :)
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 6:11 am
Thanks Elias, sorry hadn't refreshed the page, great news of celebration. The support is overwhelming. Will try to visit your thread tonight, blessings :)
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 6:34 am
Michael,this one link for you real quick. If you find the time, you can check out all the links and videos on that highly informative page. Thanks, take care.

http://prasutagus.wordpress.com/2011/09/17/911-all-you-need-to-know-it-was-an-inside-job/
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 6:54 am
AE911Truth.org's - Blueprint for Truth-The Architecture of Destruction-114min.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o


( I noticed that I said "explosion" caused the collape of the 9/11 buildings in one of my earlier comments, and did not realize that "demolition' or 'controlled demolition' would have been the right way to say it.) One does not equal the other, my mistake.
 

Dan Cooper (6)
Friday September 23, 2011, 7:58 am
Anyone who buys into "loose change" and all the so-called "Truther" nonsense is really showing themselves up for fools. It was not a controlled demolition. To do that, workers would have been rigging the buildings for almost a year. They would be doing that in a building that never was vacant, since international markets had staff required to be at work around the clock. They would have to not get noticed by anyone. Their handiwork (charges places and wiring) would have to not get noticed. Incredibly, and you might find this amazing, but most office workers and maintenance workers would report something suspicious like wires and explosives where there used to be nothing. I say this because on the day they sure didn't seem ok with blowing up or burning up so it's reasonable to assume they wouldn't just ignore suspicious activities.

Sandra, you should spend some time after your visitors leave trolling around AirDisaster.com to see just what happens when planes hit buildings and have a fairly full fuel load. Youtube has video of the Concorde crash which obliterated a hotel, try watching that. Don't state your opinion as fact, especially when you obviously know jack sh-t about a subject.
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 8:31 am
Hi Dan, I have watched the video, where engineer and attacks explained all I need to know. Unless you are an engineer or architect who are hardly qualified to make your above comment. Believe what you like, as do I. Thanks
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 8:32 am
sorry, that was meant to read "engineers and architects"
 

Mary P (157)
Friday September 23, 2011, 1:08 pm
Sandra the best way to deal with fools is to ignore them. They live in hate;
They will die in hate. May GOD Almighty forgive them for they know not
What they say.

BTW I just heard Netanyahu admit to the world that they
Both, he and Abbas are 'Sons' of Abraham; so all you islam haters, read
And weep for your OWN idol acknowledged that they are brothers while you demonise and Lie.
 

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Friday September 23, 2011, 2:49 pm
Sorry...Can't sign! I support Israel!! Noted!
 

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:27 pm
I just happen to find this in one of my old e-mails and found it quite interesting regarding Paletine and Israel..Enjoy!

For all the deluded supporters of "The Palestinians". Let's mull a
few FACTS for a change, shall we? Sorry if thats a disturbing concept for
you; but it won't do you any harm, just for ONCE!


(1) The legal basis for the establishment of the State of Israel was the
resolution unanimously adopted by the League of Nations in 1922, affirming
the establishment of a national home for the Jewish People in the historical
area of the Land of Israel. This included the areas of Judea and Samaria and
Jerusalem, and close Jewish settlement throughout. This was subsequently
affirmed by both houses of the U.S. Congress.(2) Article 80 of the UN
Charter determines the continued validity of the rights granted to all
states or peoples, or already existing international instruments (including
those adopted by the League of Nations). Accordingly, the above-noted League
resolution remains valid, and the 650,000 Jews presently resident in the
areas of Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem reside there legitimately.(3)
"The 1967 borders" do not exist, and have never existed. The 1949 Armistice
Agreements entered into by Israel and its Arab neighbors, establishing the
Armistice Demarcation Lines, clearly stated that these lines "are without
prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims
of either Party relating thereto." Accordingly, they cannot be accepted or
declared Am Yisrael chai!
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 10:06 pm
Send a Green Star to Mary P.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Mary because you have done so within the last week
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 10:08 pm
Send a Green Star to Mary P.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Mary because you have done so within the last week
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 10:16 pm
Well said, dear Mary. Wished Netanyahu would also live this brotherhood, not only aknowledge it's truth.

Send a Green Star to Mary P.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Mary because you have done so within the last week
 

Sandra T (126)
Friday September 23, 2011, 10:21 pm
Mary, as much as I love you, care2 kept redirecting me somewhere and then it looked liked nothing got posted when I came back to the page. So now you got four stars instead. So it was meant to be :))

No problem with me though, for you deserve many, many more.
 

Stan B (123)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 2:32 am
Would you believe it? Those awful Israeli settlers didn't march on Palestinian towns after all.
Another crock of s##t from the Palestinian side. Post something with an element of truth Elias. At this rate you'll never have a state.
 

. (0)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 2:40 am
Thanks for the update, Stan. I hadn't heard one way or the other (though I suppose had the settlers actually marched we here on Care2, at least, would likely have heard through news items posted on the matter.)
 

Jay S (116)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 10:12 am
It's interesting that the Muslim Brotherhood avoids using the word Israel on their official statements (because it would 'filthy their site') despite the fact that it exists more than 4o times in the Quran while the word Palestine NEVER existed in the Quranic text.

Here's a great video for the for those here who hate Israel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeky9I5T9c&feature=related (then compare this with what Palestinians have ever given the world)

HERE'S THE VIDEO MUSLIMS DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE ABOUT ISRAEL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=related

And here's a list of videos showing Palestinian fake fights, attacks, injuries and even faking dead bodies being carried in funeral processions and all for TV news around the world, normally filmed by Palestinian cameramen hired by foreign news agencies. How can anyone believe any of their claims? Pallywood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awYMPzSrh5o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=K7Z685axU2Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRz5WnHemkw

And there are so many more where these came from. Watch how these 'fights' and 'injuries' and 'deaths' are stage directed and are totally fake. All prepared for your nightly anti-Israeli news.
 

Stelizan L (258)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 3:24 am
Thanks for posting, Elias - may peave prevail!!!
 

Jay S (116)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 7:41 am
Here's an excellent BBC article on how Israel has tried to support a Palestinian State and the Palestinians have rejected all offers. Their phony victim status is exposed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14988070
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 6:04 pm
"If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools," (Rudyard Kipling)

Monica you really should not lie about what I have written here even a few days ago; I always promote unity between the Great Faiths (which are all from God) and show that the Holy Quran prescribes no such punishments for homosexuality or apostasy. It is better that I speak for myself and you speak for yourself. You are entirely wrong about women marrying outside Islam as well; if you disagree please give us the chapter and verse where says to kill them in the Holy Quran - it does not exist and you know it. I have said this all along for over a year now. Here is the latest evidence (near the bottom of the thread);

A Message for All Those Who Hate Islam;
http://www.care2.com/news/member/659812841/2923138

Seeing as you are so deceitful as to knowingly spread lies about my words, why would anyone believe your lies about Islam? By telling people that I believe the opposite of what I have stated for the past year on Care2 and even wrote just three days ago in answer to a post of yours in a dozen posts, you have made our job of debunking/exposing your mischief and hatemongering easier than ever.

What hope is there of getting any truth from you about what the Holy Prophet (sall Allahu ʿalay-hi wasallam) taught us 1400 years ago when you create lies about what I said just days ago when it is still in writing there. If you thought you might upset me you were wrong; I am just amused at how desperately low you have stooped and how you all flounder to try to say something bad about Islam. Did you think I would not still exhibit patience and civility? You do not know me and you certainly do not understand Islam.

I will take that particular insult ("the missionary zeal of a recent convert") as a compliment even though I realise it was not meant as one. I first read the Holy Quran over twenty-five years ago. Studying scriptures is one of the few things on Earth that get better the more one engages in it. Material pleasures lose their attraction when one gets so much of them but God Contact is ever-new bliss. I guess it is hard to understand unless one has experienced it. While in my teens, I was accused of being a little over enthusiastic by people I respected at an Ashram so I did try to stay earthed but evidently it still shows which pleases me. This is due to the fact that my Beloved (subhanahu wa ta'ala) is not an ordinary relationship that one can get used to or take for granted. It is well known that when one is in love, one can be a little bit of a bore to those who are not. I am sorry for you but I cannot help but continue to glorify God and relish sharing that love with others who understand something of the joy of God Contact.

Incidentally, I didn’t at all refer to anyone not following Islam perfectly as an atheist. I love all the Great Faiths and Islam teaches that they are all from the One God (Jalla Jalaluhu). This is perfectly clear in many of my posts. I am happy to repeat that if a person invades, murders, oppresses and acts evilly they cannot be considered followers of any of the Great Faiths, even if they claim to be. This evil behaviour could not be further from religious principles and for those people we have names like 'Godless', 'hypocrites' and 'liars'. Feel free to check this very thread from my post on Tuesday September 20 and my following posts.

I have also on many occasions proved that Muslims must treat all everyone* including atheists with the same kindness that an ideal son or daughter shows their elderly parents (the Arabic word 'bir' means exactly that type of kindness. See Surat Al-Mumtahinah Verse 8). So why would you publically pretend I said "They are unforgivably guilty and must die"? Perhaps you are so in the habit of posting falsehoods that it doesn't matter to you whether it is true or false as long as it is hateful.
*except those that aggress against us in war or to cause serious physical harm or prolonged oppression such as in militarily occupied Palestine.

Anyway I am not excited by your mischief; I am content to expose the lies about Islam or expose those responsible for them as haters and liars in other ways. Either way it is easy for me. I do wonder what sort of person would dedicate a great deal of their time trying to besmirch religion and its adherents with falsehoods.

As for your attacks on the friendship that I share with a few of the most beautifully kind souls that I have ever had the fortune to get to know, I have tried to understand why you would resent that; perhaps you are a little jealous? Well Monica, if you repent and soften that heart of yours perhaps you would achieve a condition in which you could give and inspire genuine loving feelings from others here. It is most unfortunate for you that you are not able to even understand the love that I have for my brothers and sisters. It is another way in which God supports His adoring slaves. I intentionally use this term 'slaves' because a genuine believer is more than a servant; they 'belong' solely to God in every possible definition of this word. It is a proud boast to be a slave of God and the best compliment to pay a believer. When one finds a genuine soul that is 'bond' to God you know that your heart is safe with them. They exhibit some of the same attractive qualities that one can see in God (if one is blessed with such vision) and God's Messengers (peace be upon them). They are easily recognisable to other 'bonded' souls and mutual love flows freely between us in abundance. It is a tragedy that this offends you.

As much as I should probably feel enmity towards your behaviour I cannot. It must be awful to experience bitterness when witnessing appreciation and love between kindred souls. Please know that it may not be too late to change your focus but do it soon if you will because no one other than God knows when the End of Days will come; we only know that it is coming and that it appears that it will be soon. There is no time to waste in petty differences or senseless bitter hatreds. There are many age old techniques, modern scientific therapies, advice in the Scriptures and some excellent lectures online to help soften ones heart. Please let me know if you (or anyone) would like more information.
 

Abo r (107)
Sunday September 25, 2011, 8:45 pm
Noted , signed.
As far as the settlers are supported and protected by the IDF power who is blindly supported by US, EU. UK ,the settlers will do whatever they want.
so No surpriz.
 

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday September 26, 2011, 6:31 am
Both Israel and America (Babble-on?) talk of a 2 State Solution to the mess over there. How could any sane person be against Palestine petitioning the UN for Statehood? They have talked for decades and still Israel continues to build illegal settlements!

Can any of you who blindly defend Israel as some kind of chosen race, answer this question? Why did the Lamb say this 2000 years ago, about these times? When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that here desolation is at hand, in Luke 21:20.
 

Elias Ayad (49)
Wednesday September 28, 2011, 9:48 pm
We will make it, I'm sorry if i'm late in showing this to you, may be you already know it.

BRUSSELS (Reuters) -- Pro-Palestinian activists raised a giant Palestinian flag on Monday in front of the European Council building in Brussels.
The 20 meter flag was unfolded by activists from the Avaaz Palestine campaign and Belgian artist Alain de Cleck who simultaneously delivered 913,171 signatures to the EU petitioning for member states to recognize Palestine.

Read more;
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=419534

Thanks for every one, signed, shared, and helped in this petition. We are the people of the world and WE RECOGNIZE PALESTINE !

VIVA PALESTINA
EA
 
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