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'Zionism Unsettled' Guide Is Removed From Presbyterian Church (USA) Website

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The Presbyterian Church (USA) has removed a controversial publication from its website that was targeted by prominent Jewish organizations and church members as being an attack against Israel.


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JL A (281)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 6:48 pm
Reads like a pretty accurate description of what the PCUSA voted on and decided.

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 6:54 pm
The divestment vote, which passed 310-303 at the assembly, will lead to Presbyterians selling $21 million in shares in Hewlett-Packard, Motorola and Caterpillar Inc. The assembly said it voted for divestment because of how the companies' products are used in violence, checkpoints and settlement building in occupied Palestinian territories.

In addition to divestment, the church assembly voted to reaffirm Israel's right to exist, to support a two-state solution and to support interfaith dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians. The church also voted to distance itself from the international Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement.

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 6:56 pm
Apparently, the Rabbis— with the exception of Rabbi Wise— didn’t approve of the Presbyterian teachings.

Sam H (410)
Saturday June 28, 2014, 6:59 pm
Rose, Netanyahu—in his polite, graceful way—called the divestment vote “disgraceful.”

Kathleen M (208)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 12:29 pm
Read and noted. Thanks, Sam!

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 1:20 pm
Some 40 years ago, the Zionists issues detailed instructions on how to win the support of churches ... THAT of course was allowable - and obviously, extremely effective. Perhaps not QUITE as much as some would like ... otherwise the "gracious" offer to arrange a meeting with Netanyahu before church leaders took a decision on divestment might have been more "effective".rather than experience by many as inappropriate interference ....

Because the Presbyterian Church has less "right" to criticise Zionism than do Israelis - some of whom are speaking out even more strongly concerning Zionism.

Christians defending Zionism tend to confuse Judaism (a religion), Jewish (pertaining to an ethnic group - and transferred by right only through female lineage ...) and Zionism ( a political movement aimed at recreating & defending a homeland for the Jewish people.)

Socialism expresses many principles common to Christianity - but criticising socialism is not synonymous with criticising Christianity - or vice versa. Why then do some Church leaders express concern that criticising Zionism places them in opposition to the Jews?

Even the Jewish Virtual Library does not present Zionism as a theological movement ....

Yet the Zionists have made a concerted effort to condemn a booklet for describing Zionism as "false theology"

?Where is genuine coherence here?

Thanks for posting, Sam - Sad to see such lack of moral backbone ...

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 1:36 pm
See this ‘I was a Zionist till I was 64. I want to hit myself’ and
Tzvia Thier at demonstration against Israeli raids in West Bank June 2014. -

. (0)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 1:57 pm
i think that david needs to take the x off of his swastica. he comes as close to being a nazi as i have know. amazing so many clame to be afraid of isreal when al they want is to be left alone to live in peace!!!!!!!!!!!! go and attack them david.

fly bird (26)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 4:22 pm
daryl, I think David is expressing his views, and there is nothing wrong, there.
Many people say what he does, in one way or another. No one should be compelled to stifle opinions or be wrongly accused or labeled to suit any group, particularly, one that often exploits cowed and gullible people, while acting in ways not dissimilar to Nazis.
One should not kill the messenger because one dislikes the message.

fly bird (26)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 4:24 pm
"How much is an Israeli's life worth?

Jewish Israelis have a responsibility to fight as hard for the rights of African asylum seekers and Palestinians as they do for the release of the three kidnapped teens."

Rabbi Gideon D. Sylvester 29.06.14

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 7:19 pm
Israel needs to get it together+now. It's not anti-semitic to be repulsed by their daily appalling actions-- it's sheer GOONERY. Thanks Sam

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Sunday June 29, 2014, 10:23 pm
Readed and noted. Thank you Sam.

Past Member (0)
Monday June 30, 2014, 8:24 am
Read and noted. I agree with Natasha!! Thank you for posting this Sam!!

Bruce C D (89)
Monday June 30, 2014, 12:47 pm
@daryl bishop--
Right, Daryl, if I were to steal your land and possessions, then continue to brutally persecute and oppress you, I'd want to be left alone, too. That's what Israel has done and continues to do to Palestinians. Get a clue.

David F.'s comparison between stopping Nazi Germany and stopping Israel's oppression and persecution of Palestinians in no way, shape, or form is anti-Semitic, and the casual way this accusation has become standard fare for Israeli apologists when anyone is critical of Israel has become tiresome and pathetic. If you really care about Jewish people, don't use the term inappropriately, lest it lose relevance. If you really care about Jewish people, help stop Zionist's mistreatment of Palestinians, which is only hurting them. Plenty of Jewish people have already reached that same conclusion. So, when are you going to wise up?

Bruce C D (89)
Monday June 30, 2014, 12:59 pm
I can understand why the Church did what it did. I don't think their position is wholly unreasonable, but I think it was the wrong choice. The publication is still available, just not through the Church. I have not yet read this latest compendium, but I have read earlier studies the Presbyterian Church had undertaken on this conflict, which presumably form the basis for the current work. From those, it is obvious that there is no anti-Semitism or bias involved. The subject is approached factually, historically, and objectively.

Keep in mind the real culprit here is the Israeli lobby and its supporters, who seek to hide the ugly truth. This is yet another example of the tremendous influence they wield, and the uphill battle for justice faced.

Eleonora O (37)
Monday June 30, 2014, 5:45 pm
Not much to add to the above comments from Bruce. Although I should know ... it still "amazes" me at times how much pull the Zionist lobby really has. Everthing can fly under the banner of "Freedom of Expression" if nothing else is handy - except just and fair criticism of Israel and/or Zionism.

Sad state of affairs ...

Freya H (345)
Monday June 30, 2014, 5:51 pm
By getting away with horrid atrocities, and by playing tail that wags the United States dog, Israel is merely fanning the flames of anti-semitism. There is a big, big difference between opposing Israel's brutal policies towards the Palestinians and being out-and-out anti-Semitic - but Israel's running-dogs want everybody to think those two attitudes are the same.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 9:19 am
There is nothing wrong with Zionism, which is a movement for the Jewish people to have the right for self-determination and for their own state.

If Presviterian Church or Islamist apologists do find something wrong, they cannot support a movement of Palestinian Arabs to have their own state as well, After all, there are already 22 Arab states and another Palestinian Arab state.


Arlene C (28)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 2:38 am
merci Ondine et Sam

Roger G (148)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 2:26 pm
noted, thanks

Abo r (107)
Thursday July 3, 2014, 2:36 pm
Noted thanks

Terrie Williams (798)
Friday July 4, 2014, 8:09 am

fly bird (26)
Wednesday July 16, 2014, 11:52 pm
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