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An 18-month-old Palestinian baby died and its parents were injured in a fire started by Israeli settlers in the West Bank.


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Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday July 31, 2015, 5:49 am
Thanks a lot Sam for putting this despicable act if barbarism by these extremist settlers on Care2!! I've tried in vain. More information are available at the BBC:

Palestinian fury as infant dies in 'Jewish settler' arson attack

We're watching life reporting from the West Bank basically only showing IDF in full gear everywhere. One of them has a professional camera with top-notch special lens on it - don't quite know why the TV camera man is focusing on that thing? They say that several IDF battalions have been dispatched to the Occupied Territories as they (Israel) fears unrest.

Well - naturally any unrest would be totally reprehensible ... as these nice religious settlers were only playing a bit with firebombs because they didn't like their government destroying their buildings ... although the IL government immediately announced the building of 300 more units to make up for the court order to destroy these 2 buildings which were built on Palestinian land ... And as these are only Palestinians including an 18 MONTHS old toddler ... so what!


Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday July 31, 2015, 6:31 am
The sad and tragic consequence of conflict and war is that children and women always suffer. . .

Sam H (410)
Friday July 31, 2015, 6:43 am
And men are not usually excluded either, Darren!

Carol R (11)
Friday July 31, 2015, 7:06 am
Eleonora pretty much said it all. Thanks Sam.

Justin Vale (13)
Friday July 31, 2015, 8:02 am
they shouldn't be there. it's only going to get worse. and now we're going to have clinton or sanders or trump and of course isis. it's going to get much worse.

Angelika R (143)
Friday July 31, 2015, 8:30 am
Thanks Sam for your success in getting this posted! My jaws dropped when hearing the news first thing in the morning, have no words for this heinous crime.
The article you linked was obviously the first one published, not saying very much. But the further stories linked at site are much more detailed, I suggest reading
Palestinian toddler burned to death in 'settler' arson attack

The hypocricy in all Israeli official statements are plain sickening! Abbas called for an investigation by the ICC and our news reported that the rest of the family with severe burn injuries have onlyy a slim chance of survival.

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:16 am
The trouble with these "price tag" attacks is that, although it is almost a year since the Israeli government said that they sould be considered "terrist" - and that perpetrators should be put under "administrative detention" (the form of imprisonment that bypasses normal court process, the form of detention applied to most Palestinians), this directive has not been applied to perpetrators of such attacks ... even the extremist settlers who bunrnt young Mohammed Abu Khdeir alive were not detained this way.

Until extremist settlers know that they WILL be subject to the full force of the law, there is little to deter escalating violence on their part.

Hopefully, this time the full force of the law will come down on these extremists.

"Extreme-right Israeli activists have committed acts of vandalism and violence against Palestinians and Arab Israelis for years, attacking Christian and Muslim places of worship and even Israeli soldiers.

The attacks are known "price tag" violence -- a euphemism for nationalist-motivated hate crimes by Jewish extremists aimed at Arab property."

The Independent also Palestinian toddler burnt alive after masked 'Jewish extremists' target home in arson attack points out
"The attack has been labelled the worst since a Palestinian youth was abducted and set fire to at around this time last year. Authorities have urged people to show restraint."

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:17 am
Thanks, Sam

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:32 am
A-Jazeera Palestinian baby burned to death in settler attack includes video report from the village

Angelika R (143)
Friday July 31, 2015, 10:06 am
This is how Israeli president Rivlin worded it regarding that "culture of impunity"(which in fact exists) :
"To my great sorrow, until now it seems we have been lax in our treatment of the phenomena of Jewish terrorism".
From the Ynet artcle:(,7340,L-4686046,00.html)

President Reuven Rivlin reached out to the Arab-speaking population through Arabic media, strongly denouncing the attack. "In the face of a wave of terror against the innocent, the loss of life, and the loss of law and order, the State of Israel and Israeli society must carry some soul searching," said the president.

"To my great sorrow, until now it seems we have been lax in our treatment of the phenomena of Jewish terrorism," added Rivlin. "Perhaps we did not internalize that we are faced with a determined and dangerous, ideological group, which aims to destroy the fragile bridges which we work so tirelessly to build. I believe that the more we understand this significant danger to the State of Israel, the more we will be aware to confront it, and uproot it."
Well over time to understand it. Start uprooting in the knesset!

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Friday July 31, 2015, 12:01 pm
Noted. Thanks Sam.

fly bird (26)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:41 pm
loss for words, Sam.

dreadful, abysmal.


Freya H (345)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:47 pm
It should be obvious as all-get-out that Israel is a rogue nation that needs to be yanked off our foreign-aid teat.

fly bird (26)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:41 pm

Reviewing Trashy Hasbara against BDS

Patricia N (9)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:47 pm
Western nations need to call out Israel on some of these horrible things they are doing. It is not a land of innocents and angels and needs to account for it's actions.

Robert O (12)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 12:28 am

heather g (46)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 12:42 am
Israeli Govt and ISIS : Can be compared to different sides of the same coin.....

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 1:07 am

Watch how Mark Regev, the famous Israeli who is actually Australian, mocks the death of this baby in the video clip on the linked BBC site. Listen to what he has to say starting at 0:57 secs and compare his statement with the reality.


Rose Becke (141)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 4:05 am

Sam H (410)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 7:27 am
I haven’t heard anyone say, “Je suis Ali” yet! Have you?

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 9:37 am
No Sam and I'm afraid we won't either. Israel and the West probably feel sufficiently comfortable that this was even called a terrorist attack. Note the BBC's headline- it's(only) PALESTINIAN "fury"..and I can't see why they would put 'Jewish settler' in quote either. The entire article shows not a thread of compassion.

Kathleen M (210)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 9:43 am
Shared and noted. Thanks, Sam. Cowardly, murdering right-wing fanatics! Hope the Israeli government finally treats these settlers as the criminals they are!

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 10:55 am
See commentary from last April on handling of "price tag attacks" :
‘Price tag’ settler argues in court that revenge isn’t a crime

You would think that sentencing a group of Israelis for setting fire to a Palestinian cafe is a positive development. But a closer look shows that the culture of minimizing the seriousness of price tag attacks is alive and strong.

And, from Nov 2014, Yesh-Din's data:
Human rights organization Yesh Din published statistics today based on its monitoring of 1,045 files opened by the various units of the Samaria & Judea (SJ) District Police following complaints filed by Palestinians with Yesh Din’s assistance. According to this data, in 2005-2014, a mere 7.4 percent of investigation files led to indictments of Israeli civilians suspected of attacking Palestinians and their property, reflecting a decline of approximately one percent in the rate of such indictments. Yesh Din’s examination of grounds provided for the closure of the files by the SJ District Police reveals that 85.2 percent of the police files concluded were closed due to the police’s failure to investigate properly. The vast majority (788 investigative files) were closed due to the investigators’ failure to locate offenders or collect sufficient evidence for prosecution.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 3:44 pm
Evelyn, yes, that's the usual procedures and I remember those posts on the topic. And these few incidents where there was a prosecution and verdict, it was handled by civilian courts, as always for settlers
Now, with this murder having been declared a terrorist act, shall we believe that the settlers, once they're caught, will be prosecuted like Israel usually prosecutes "terrorists", read Palestinians, i.e. in military court!??
Any bets on that?

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 3:52 pm
Sam, re the missing "je suis Ali", I found at least one voice calling for something similar, even if not identical. Let me copy the last para from John Wight's recommendable article The Murder of Ali Saad Dawabsha....
"Ali Saad Dawabsha was burned alive by animals who claim to be acting in the name of God and religion. This innocent child’s murder cannot be allowed to pass without a renewed determination to defeat the system of apartheid, siege, and occupation that nourishes the bigotry and hate that passes for democracy in Israel.

As such, it has never been more important for all who care about justice to declare that WE ARE ALL PALESTINIANS."

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 5:00 pm

Can anyone imagine for a second what we would hear if this was an attack by Palestinians on settlers and a toddler would have been burnt alive?!

The endless attacks, vilification of all Palestinians and all Muslims?

The endless interviews with all kind of Israeli officials?

All the Western officials on all media outdoing each other in their unwavering support for Israel and its right of self-defense?

Can anyone imagine the outcry here on Care2 by our Islamophobic "friends"? They're nowhere to be seen ...

Despicable - the whole rotten bunch!

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 5:08 pm

Dear Ros - yes ... your countryman ;-). He is one of the few people who can bring my blood pressure up every time I see him or just hear his voice. Very much like Ranaan Gissin, who used to be the advisor of Arik the butcher Sharon. These two know nothing, but really nothing else than lying the moment they open their mouth ... that is ... actually the moment they start thinking. They'd do anything, literally anything, if it benefits Zionism.

Be grateful that you got rid of Mark Freiburg aka Regev!

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday August 1, 2015, 10:52 pm
Bob - give specific references demonstrating your "quite often" .....

Because Palestinian actions against settlers get media coverage, so you must have data. If this is true.

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 12:42 am
Ros - he doesn't like Haaretz, either!! But he has admitted that the event is not acceptable
Even if immediately trying to dust it away by claiming Palestinian Arabs often do the same (with no reference to previous reports to support the statement).

Yesh Din doesn't pick up on such cases .... but as he doesn't like Human Rights groups, that probably will be dismissed as well ... even though they are Israeli ...

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 9:37 am
Ros dear -
I do stand by all Palestinian People have done since the 1970's........that being said I do stand by all those Israeli people that truly want share the lands.......

ABSOLUTELY!!!! *************************************************************************************

And, very sadly, I agree with your prediction :>(


John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 1:24 pm
Very sad. A shameless display of hatred and bigotry - and these people profess themselves to be 'religious'! They don't know the meaning of the word.

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 1:29 pm
A shame that certain people here have used the tragic death of an infant as an opportunity to stir up anti-Israeli propaganda and hatred.

How does that old adage go? 'Hatred begets hatred' 'Violence begets violence'. The irony is lost on them.

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 1:38 pm
As for the Bob-bashing. Would that be the same Bob who condemned this attack, and who condemned ISIS deliberately blowing up a baby as a 'training exercise' last month and who condemned the deliberately killing of a three month old Israeli baby - rammed by a car - last year? Yes it was.

Maybe all the Bob-bashers getting themselves worked up in a lathe about this murder, would like to go over and register their disgust on the threads concerning the other two murders, because I notice the same concerned people are curiously conspicuous by their absence on those threads.


Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 1:48 pm

Bob - please provide just one link to one case where " Palestinian Arabs burn houses of settlers quite often" - your words further up.

IF this would have been a Jewish Israeli baby the whole of Gaza and/or the West Bank would be on fire by now and the whole world would stand behind Israel as Israel has the right to "defend" itself ... Remember Gaza 2014: some 2000 Palestinian - ~500 of them children - were murdered by the IDF and the entire world was talking about the "right of self-defense of an occupying power" - irony/sarcasm at its best!

Waiting for the evidence - before that I can't answer ...

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 1:48 pm
Evelyn: You stand by everything the Palestinians have done since the 1970s??? Do you include in that the Munich Olympic massacre, the rocket attacks, the bus bombings, the three year old stabbed in the heart and the baby who had its throat slit in the Itamar attack, the aforementioned baby killed in the Jerusalem car ramming last year etc etc? Maybe you'd like to clarify.

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 2:24 pm
John - I value your concern for your friend Bob; I too stand up for my friends when there is a just reason.

IF my friends would slander people - unfounded accusations of crimes void of any evidence ARE slander - I would not stand up for them but rather ask them to provide proof for what they're saying.

You may want to re-visit the threads you're mentioning and register who was commenting there and then re-phrase your statement "Maybe all the Bob-bashers ..."?!

Just a thought ...

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 2:31 pm

Maybe of interest for those who "stand by Israel" no matter what:

3.14 civilians per militant

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 3:50 pm
Eleonora, that quota tells us they'll still need A LOT MORE wars to reach the 100% goal. Over time...

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 4:06 pm

Angelika!!! Do you think they'll demand extra payment for the over time ...??

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 4:27 pm
They've never shown reluctance in making demands, have they.. But they need to wait a bit, after their other demands are approved, you know, re Iran deal, before they can make more demands.
In the meantime, they best concentrate on finding the perpetrators, now for BOTH recent murder cases. That should keep them busy for a while, given their dificulty to track and hunt down settlers..

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 4:46 pm

Would love to send you another star, Angelika, but can't right now. I always wonder what the difficulty to track and hunt down settlers is ... maybe they don't have their addresses?? As you say hunting - could this be a new job for Dr. Walter Palmer? After all he tracked and hunted down successfully Cecil the Lion ...

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 10:52 pm
Netanyahu Is Shocked?

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 11:44 pm
ONE article found from 5 years ago, the main fire being accidental (and the deaths due to a vehicle trapped by a fallen tree ... not targetted - little to identify most of the arsonists as Arab or extremist settlers .... "quite often"??

Tragic for the accidental victims and their families, but far from firebombing a family as they slept ..

Forest fires are not uncommon around the world - sometimes due to carelessness, sometimes to arson (including a certain proportion of would-be fire-fighters who have been refused a place in official fire-fighting organisations) ... hot weather, drought often combine with widespread damage, especially with certain categories of trees with inflamable sap such as pines, eucalyptus ...

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 2, 2015, 11:46 pm
Thanks for that link, Sam. The following is a quote from it:

"Yair Lapid, head of the Yesh Atid party, compared Jewish terrorists to ISIS and called them a traitorous fifth column:

In the other room my son is putting on his uniform. He came home last night and has just now received a phone call. "Emergency call up," he says, his face stern. He's been called back in because the enemy acted last night in Duma. Terrorists entered at night and set fire to a baby. As always, the IDF is going to war against the enemy. Only this time the enemy is from here, from inside, from within us. They are a fifth column. They are the natural partners of Hamas, of Hezbollah, of ISIS. They look like us but they aren't like us. They are traitors to all that is sacred to us, traitors to the very idea on which the State of Israel was founded, traitors to Judaism. ""

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 3, 2015, 12:18 am
MAYBE this time this will apply .....
Jewish suspects in deadly firebombing can be held without charges
I.e. comparable to the routine process applied to Palestinians for the slightest accusation/ suspicion ....

Not that I like this legal "process" - I'd rather see due process of law for all, not this "flexible" detention without due judicial process ...

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday August 3, 2015, 1:54 am

Bob - I stand by my accusations until you come forward with solid evidence supporting the allegations you made in your comment of Saturday August 1, 2015, 8:37 pm. Sorry - but that's how such matters are handled and you and I are not going to re-invent the wheel (debate procedures in this case).

Your statement of Saturday August 1, 2015, 8:37 pm reads:
“Eleonora, Palestinian Arabs BURN HOUSES OF SETTLERS QUITE OFTEN. Unfortunately, such acts of arson don't make it into news.”. Emphasis added by me.

Being pressed for evidence you change your above statement due to lack of proof to read (Sunday August 2, 2015, 9:15 pm) “When the weather is hot, there are many acts of arson, committed by Palestinian Arabs, many of whom get caught.” and you link to an article about the Mount Carmel fire of 2010! I have well-founded doubts if you read the details of that Wikipedia article … I, therefore, quote the cause for you to have easy access (Emphasis in the text added by me).

So – to close the circle, Bob: please provide EVIDENCE for your statement that “Palestinian Arabs BURN HOUSES OF SETTLERS QUITE OFTEN.” Or … on a second thought … maybe your friend John can help you out on this as he thinks you’re being “bashed” … LOL!?


While I enjoy a good and solid discussion - and we don't necessarily have to agree! - I do reject that somebody takes matters out of context, quotes half a sentence of mine in a way that it gets a total different and new meaning and presents it!! This is very disingenuous behaviour, sorry.

I stated clearly "IF my friends would slander people - unfounded accusations of crimes void of any evidence ARE slander - I would not stand up for them but rather ask them to provide proof for what they're saying. "

Intellectual honesty is at the heart of a healthy debate, Bob. Would be nice if you'd adhere to it too.

As for Carrie - we've been down that road and your unfounded accusation have been rebutted in their entirety; one just needs to read that thread. Nothing to add from my side as evidence that your allegations were/are unfounded can be read in that particular thread. But in case you've lost the link I can provide it and we can further discuss the subject there!

As for your remark “Ummas is Uber Alles for you and your friends.”. Thanks a lot for the good grin I had; I needed it as I had a few tough days.

1. There’s no word “Ummas” in your beloved Arabic … - maybe it’s Polish or Russian ;-)?

2. As you fail miserably to get a bit of a handle on Arabic (although I tried my very best to help you …) you try now German?! It seems here too you don’t get matters straight. “Uber Alles” would read correct “über alles”. At the beginning of the sentence it would be capitalized, hence it would be “Ű”. If you don’t want to go through the motion of inserting symbols you can also replace “ü” with “ue”.

3. “alles” doesn’t take in German the capital “A” at the beginning of the word (only at the beginning of a sentence) as it is a pronoun. There are rare cases where it does like “das Alles-oder-Nichts-Gesetz” in medicine which translates to “all-or-none law” – which is not the case in your construct above.

4. In other words – your sentence should read “Umma is über alles” (which nobody would understand anyway as you’re mixing one word of Arabic (wrong used on top of it), one word of English and two words of German into one sentence).

Now … I would love to agree with your, Bob … but if I’d do that we would both be wrong!

But hey!! ... have nonetheless a great day!!


[Mount Carmel fire]


Mount Carmel contains large areas of forests, including large numbers of Aleppo pine trees, which are more easily ignited. OVER THE YEARS, MANY FIRES HAVE OCCURRED ON MOUNT CARMEL, among them many which devastated hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. One such as that was the Mount Carmel forest fire of 1989 which destroyed about 3,200 dunams (320 ha; 790 acres) of forest.

Israel had been experiencing an unusually warm autumn and dry conditions;[13] previous spring and summer months were also exceptionally hot. It was originally speculated that the fire was caused by the burning of an illegal garbage dump and spread due to the dry conditions and strong winds. Haifa's Mayor Yona Yahav stated that the problem was known and it was "just a matter of time until a calamity occurred".[3]

Israel Police suggested that the fire was caused due to a bonfire that was lit by local residents and not extinguished properly and in time.[14] However, they stressed that the investigation of the incident is in its early phases and cautioned against drawing premature conclusions.[8] On 4 December, police arrested two adolescent brothers from the Druze town of Isfiya on suspicion of having caused the fire through negligence. Their family denies the accusation.[15] On 5 December, the Haifa Magistrate Court extended the brothers' remand for three days,[8] and on 6 December the court released them from custody under restrictive conditions. There were unconfirmed reports of the teens having hurled burning waste products during a picnic. The same day, police announced that they had arrested two additional youths from Isfiya the previous night, and that more arrests could be expected soon.[16]

In the evening of 6 December, police announced that a 14 year-old resident of Isfiya admitted to inadvertently starting the fire. The teen told investigators that after smoking a nargila, he threw a lit coal into an open area and was so shocked by the result that he returned to school without telling anyone what he had done.[10]

Druze Member of Knesset Ayoob Kara, a resident of Isfiya near where the fire broke out, had said on the evening of 2 December that he had received information that the fire was a terror act. MKs Ya'akov Katz and Michael Ben-Ari also cited the possibility that the fire was an act of terrorism and called for an investigation.[17]

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 3, 2015, 2:11 am
Thx for that link Evelyn. But I am not aware that in cases where the suspects were Palestinians there was also a media gag order placed?

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 3, 2015, 2:27 am
An infant is burned to death. But hey, what a great opportunity to roll out some more anti-Israel propaganda and do some political point scoring.... A bit undignified don't you think?

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 3, 2015, 2:28 am
And has anyone actually been identified or charged yet?

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 3, 2015, 4:49 am
Ros -
John was so pleased to think he could hit me with a harsh comments that he didn't actually read carefully the thread! Very typical, not worth trying to get him to recognise the inappropriateness of his attack on me ... it isn't as though he'd apologise anyway ....

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 3, 2015, 5:02 am
By the way - I wonder what "Genny" a.k.a. Barbara thinks that Palestinians look like, since she describes the photo of Ali Saad Dawabsha used by Sam as " A CAUCASIAN BABY." .....

Does she think Palestinian babies are black? or red? And/Or have horns?

I have news for you.
A Palestinian baby looks very like most Jewish babies, often quite Caucasian in colouring, often with big, dark eyes ..... very often adorable unless one happens to be allergic to babies ...

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 3, 2015, 6:12 am
I didn't know that one - thanks, Ros. Fitting ...

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 3, 2015, 1:45 pm
Two More Sleeps: Is your name Evelyn? because that is who my post was addressed to.

You said ALL. Where I come from all means all. Evelyn repeated your words - ALL - and added ABSOLUTELY!!!!!

I invited her to clarify her position, but she hasn't. That suggests to me that she - and you - condone those terrorist attacks I listed.


Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday August 3, 2015, 4:39 pm

Evelyn and Ros - you two ladies seem to have a good time here ;-). I just wonder - do you think we should once ask those staunch Zionist apologists who don't waver a millimeter in their support for Israel if they truly stand behind all the war crimes and crimes against humanity Israel committed since 1947/48 up until now as we speak?

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 1:17 am
I'm not going to play that game with them! John knows darn well when he is getting bitchy (apologies to all female dogs for use of the term) and he knows I'm for human rights, including the rights of all Palestinian people ... therefore his question was intended as an insult, twisting the statement to mean endorsing abuse of human rights. It only shows up his personality .....

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 2:21 am
Evelyn: Maybe I should perform the Heimlich manoeuvre on you, to get you to spit the words out!
You said ALL. You said ABSOLUTELY. You haven't said you condemn the aforementioned acts of terrorism.
I asked you to clarify. I ask again.

If you say you stand by everything the Palestinians have done since 1970, then it includes those things.
If you condemn those things, then you don't stand by everything they've done since 1970.
Make yourself clear.


John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 7:11 am
Peace and Goodwill To All? Yes, a much nicer title to hide behind. Any plans to put those words into practice?


John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 7:13 am
The Heimlich manoeuvre, for your information, is a life-saving medical procedure, used the world over.

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 7:15 am
Evelyn: Still waiting ...

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 7:21 am
"I really don't give a sh**. about what Bob likes or not ... He can bury his hand in the sand, put his head up his a*** ..."
(I can't imagine Gandhi saying that.)

Peace and goodwill to all!

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 11:38 am
John - stop your harassment.

Ros wrote;
I do stand by all Palestinian People have done since the 1970's........that being said I do stand by all those Israeli people that truly want share the lands......

Ros isn't fussy about punctuation.
Those who know her and know her values understand that this reads:
I do stand by all Palestinian People, have done since the 1970's........that being said I do stand by all those Israeli people that truly want share the lands......
(There is a comma missing, but all those who know Ros understand that ....
She stands by all Palestinian people
And she stands by all Israeli people who truly want peace.

And I agree ABSOLUTELY .... including "since the 1970s"

I stand with all Palestinian people, their human rights. Total support for their human rights does not mean endorsement of wrongs.
And I also stand by all Israeli people who truly want peace.

You are SO determined to create conflict that you prefer to read the phrase differently.
That's your problem.
What you choose to see there is NOT what Ros was saying
Nor what I was agreeing.
Therefore I'm not answering an intentionally misleading interpretation & insulting accusation based on your false reading. You KNOW it isn't true, you KNOW I haven't said and wouldn't agree with what you claim ... you are just harassing. Not cleverly, at that ....

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday August 4, 2015, 3:29 pm

Evelyn - great that you stand up for Ros and I second and support hers and your statement in full. We all know where you and Ros stand in all aspects of life but especially when it comes to justice and human rights. No need really to explain yourself leave alone justify anything you both wrote. Only one-eyed participants could ever try to put such statements as we read above in your mouths - it's simply laughable ... if it weren't so outrageous.

A cascade of stars to both of you: *****************************************************

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 12:00 am

Geeeeez - I just realize that friend Bob has gone missing - hope he's OK. Could it be that he's having a cup of tea with his friend John ...???

I'm still waiting for some proof:

"So – to close the circle, Bob: please provide EVIDENCE for your statement that “Palestinian Arabs BURN HOUSES OF SETTLERS QUITE OFTEN.”

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 12:06 am

BTW ... Sam ... if memory serves me right you were accused by that "revolving-door" member of having used a fake picture of some "white" baby.

Isn't it strange that Tikkun Daily has a group of photos of the killed baby with its article about this murder ... one of which is exactly the one you used for your posting? Must be that the "little white Dawah Ghost" was at work once again ... LOL!

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 3:20 am
Yes - I'd made a comment on that earlier (in fact, I'd spotted the photo among others spread out in a photo of many photos of Ali! But just queried why they thought this photo was of a "Caucasian" baby ....

But Eleonora - let poor Bob be, he can't provide backup because anyway he was fed that line, and the inadequate first reply .... Don't do a John - don't start harassing Bob in the way John likes to harass others .... not worthy to descend to their level! Unless of course, he opens the same door for that question .... begging for it to be asked yet again. (And there's a fair chance that he will ........)

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 6:46 am
Elenora, nothing "strange" there, lol. And as Evelyn said, this photo in a small version of many was in fact in a number of news outlets.
My guess is Sam took the photo from the Daly Mail which pubished it in large and first on the very Friday it happened in the early morning hours. (Ali photo
I didn't think BD's ridiculous remark was even worth any response.

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday August 5, 2015, 4:35 pm

Evelyn - while I fully agree that one shouldn't copy the bad behavior of others ... I don't see that me asking for evidence for such an outrageous statement of Bob:


amounts to harassment!! But maybe there are different interpretations to this word ... ? I think you just don't like that I miss Bob ... LOL!

Angelika - you know the saying: "Mich stach der Hafer"? Exactly ... ;-).

Stay safe, the both of you!!

PS Have difficulties with the power and the net - can't really participate these days. But should be solved soon.


Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday August 11, 2015, 12:06 pm
This is a far from rare example:
Settler youth telling it as they see it

Filmed on Palestinian land in a Palestinian village -

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday August 11, 2015, 2:45 pm

Evelyn - I tried to follow your link but all I get is: "Sorry, this content isn't available right now". Wonder what happened??
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