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When The President and the Prime Minister of Israel Are Thugs Who Don't Recognize International Law, How Do You Achieve Peace?

World  (tags: Israel, illegal, settlements, occupied, West, Bank, International, law, Palestinian, state, two-state, solution, obstacle, peace )

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"I love the land of Israel with all my heart. I have never and will never give up on this land. For me, our right to this land is not a matter of political debate. It is a basic fact of modern Zionism," Rivlin said.


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Patrick Donovan (344)
Monday August 24, 2015, 2:18 pm
The obvious answer is we won't. But if the US stopped funding Israel we would see peace come a lot quicker.

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 24, 2015, 3:20 pm
****************** Patrick!

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday August 24, 2015, 3:31 pm

Maybe Pres Rivlin remembered the purpose of the colonial enterprise after he received death threats because he dared to call the murderous attack where the 18 months old Palestinian toddler Ali was burnt alive "Jewish Terrorism"?

Or maybe he just reveals his true inner self ...?

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday August 24, 2015, 3:48 pm
You achieve peace by acting peacefully.

Kathleen M (210)
Monday August 24, 2015, 4:28 pm
Second Patrick's sentiment! Thanks for sharing, Sam

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 24, 2015, 5:01 pm
Me too, second Patricks AND Darren's comments!
Yes, Rivlin's bold and strange statements are shocking. It's not that the world is in doubt that THEY really believe it is their right, the world is in doubt, actually denial, that it is their right. He chose quite a confusing phrase there I think. It sounds almost as if he needed to reassure himself .
Thx Sam.

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 24, 2015, 5:11 pm
The warmongers would, of course, have a different suggestion as an answer to your question.
Actually some of them said there's such a thing as a "good or just war" - a notion which I strongly reject. But if those insist that some times there just has to be a war, I'm curious if they would consider it a "good /just war" to force Israel to abide international law and the hundreds of UN resolutions? But, do warmongers really differentiate?
Crazy ideas in my mind... I know..I should go to sleep!

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday August 24, 2015, 11:40 pm

Hope you had a good sleep and sweet dreams, Angelika ;-)!! In my book there's only one good war: if my country is attacked within its own borders and is to be defended against aggressors. Period. I still believe that if those warmongers would have to either go physically to the battle field themselves or would have to send their sons and daughters ... there wouldn't be any wars!!

As for your line "..., I'm curious if they would consider it a "good /just war" to force Israel to abide international law and the hundreds of UN resolutions?" ... I'm sure some will interpret this as "anti-Semitic" ... but for sure that'll be a total different story as polit-Israel is always the victim and only indulges in self-defense ... :-(!!

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 1:59 am
It is impossible.
Noted. Thanks Sam.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 7:03 am
Eleonora, I did say just crazy ideas..about as crazy as Israel's ideas of military action against Iran, forcing it to abandon something. Or US actions in a number of occasions, for that matter.
Now let's drop the military war option and turn to economic war like sanctions. The only other possible answer to Sam's question in the headline I could come up with.
Israel has always argued that the entire UN and all its agencies are anti-semitic and hostile toward Israel.
What if the US would actually drop their veto shelter policy, finally fed up with all the humiliations, and the UNSC would vote to enforce their previous resolutions? Or new ones to be presented?
We may see a test-run next month when France might present their new resolution in the works since spring, though there are talks the French will postpone their proposal but would instead bring in a resolution for Palestinian statehood, expecting the US to possibly not veto that.
This fear of losing US cover seems to be very real among Israeli officials, given how much talk is there from a number of warning voices in connection with the latest cracks in US-Israel relationship over the Iran deal.
Apparently not all Israelis trust this proverbial "unbreakable bond"- we'll see.

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 3:34 pm

Agree with you in principle - let's see what's going to be with France ... frankly I don't have much hope. Just remember the "orange" bubble ...


Carol French (273)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 8:19 pm
Well I know that there isn't any war that is a "Good War " do you? Guns & killings of all sorts just because we want this or they believe in that, what the H¥}l is going on Peace is what it is all about!!!

Carol French (273)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 8:20 pm
Signed / Noted

Lona G (66)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 8:28 pm
That the current Israeli government is nothing but a bunch of warmongers, trying to expand Israel's territory to keep Israelis in a country that is bursting at the seams happy, is no news. Rivlin, however had been the most sane and peaceful voice when the political parties were warring with each other before the elections, but seems to have changed his tune dramatically now Netanyahu and his henchmen are in power again. I wonder what has happened or what the government has on Rivlin to side with it all of a sudden.

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday August 25, 2015, 11:25 pm
I agree with Patrick too

heather g (46)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 12:29 am
We all get annoyed at times with the decisions made by our governments. If I were an Israeli, I would be so ashamed and angry at their ruthlessness in Israel, I wouldn't even be able to step into what they call Israel.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 1:51 am
The sooner Israel annexes the West Bank the better. There is no possibility of a two state solution with Palestinian terrorists.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 2:40 am
They wouldn't want you, Heather.

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 4:39 am
Strange how often criticism of Israeli politics triggers personal insults "in defence" of Israel ....

Heather - that unnecessary insult is all the more inappropriate given that a growing number of Israelis are admitting that they feel ashamed and angry - as do Jews abroad (both Israeli and non Israeli)

In fact, an Association of British Jews show they share your point of view - they have a letter to present to Netanyahu and are calling for signatures
Yachad: Please Sign This Letter to David Cameron Ahead of Netanyahu's Visit to the UK

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 5:05 am
Eleonora, you said:
In my book there's only one good war: if my country is attacked within its own borders and is to be defended against aggressors

I can't agree with you - even for that situation.
Nothing "good" about it ...

But it would be "just military action" against the invaders. Justified ..... but not "good".

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 7:11 am
There's ZERO good about any war. Differences usually spring up because people don't communicate with each other and don't understand situations in their entirety.

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 9:04 am
AND, Darren - have their eye on their own interests, not the larger good, nor caring about how situations appear from "the other side" ...

Colleen L (3)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 12:27 pm
I too agree with Patrick's comment. Thanks Sam

Janet B (0)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 12:56 pm

Michelle a (1)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 1:21 pm
Thank you

Lois Jordan (63)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 3:06 pm
Noted. Thanks, Sam.
I also agree with Patrick to stop funding Israel. And, why is there so little talk of the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons, while insisting other countries not have them. Two-faced hypocrites.

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday August 26, 2015, 3:52 pm

Hi Evelyn and Darren - we're in agreement. It was a poor choice of words in my case. Justified would have better described it.

I absolutely agree with you, Darren - military conflict is often the result of poor or no communication. Yet, there's also the other side: the willful failure of diplomatic talks as we see being pushed regarding the Israeli-Palestinian peace talks as well as we see right now unfolding regarding the Iran Agreement.

Or as we've seen during Sadam Hussein's time when he talked and warned time and again the Kuwaiti Government not to tap into Iraq's oil fields and Kuwait chose to continue doing it anyway. To the point that Sadam Hussein was clear that he will resort to military force if they don't stop. Which triggered April Glaspie (the US Amb to Iraq) to utter her famous statement aka green light for the invasion: "We don't interfere in pan-Arab disputes". Unfortunately, the fool (Sadam Hussein) went for the bait and the rest is history.

I said it on occasions before in quoting what is attributed to Christine of Sweden: "A bad peace is always better than a good war".

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 27, 2015, 5:36 am
I thought that was what you meant, Eleonora!
And one star isn't enough ... ******************************************

Janis K (129)
Thursday August 27, 2015, 9:48 am
Thanks Sam.

Leopold Marek (23)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 11:14 am
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Leopold Marek (23)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 8:18 pm
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. (0)
Wednesday September 2, 2015, 8:02 pm
They do not recognize the laws because they are dictated to others. For UK does not comply with UN resolutions on Malvinas Islands ( Falkland Islands ) Peace is not business.

Abo r (107)
Sunday September 6, 2015, 9:43 pm
noted thanks
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