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Netanyahu Admits That Israeli Forces Have Been Operating in Syria


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Sam
- 1296 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Benjamin Netanyahu admitted for the first time that Israeli forces have been operating in Syria, where the Iran-backed regime is battling rebels including the jihadist Islamic State.



   

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Sam H (410)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 1:35 pm
They’re certainly not fighting on the side of Hezbollah, but on the side of ISIS.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 1:36 pm
And that's why Netanyahu had prior knowledge of the massacre that took place on Paris.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 1:37 pm
And that's why Netanyahu had prior knowledge of the massacre that took place on Paris.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 1:39 pm
I didn't mean to post the same thing twice. But it's a point that needs to be emphasized.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 1:45 pm
For months I’ve being saying the Israel and ISIS are on the same side.

Try at least this:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/223806899/3892238
 

Kathleen M (208)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 2:19 pm
Thanks for sharing, Sam. Interesting behavior for an ally, don't you think?
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 3:52 pm
Mr. Peace strikes again.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 5:00 pm
Haven't I been saying the same all the time?! What you mean "you guys didn't want to believe it"-well, then again I'm no guy.
Israel is taking one third of the ISIS' illegal oil trade, of course they've been involved for a long time, not to say from start!
Going to sleep now, long stressful experience behind me with installing Win 10 :((
Echoing Ros-Welcome back from hiding
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 5:18 pm
Thanks for welcoming me back, Ros & Angelika! Did I really leave?

I guess stating that Israel and ISIS are on the same side is as obvious as the fact that you are not a guy, Angelika!

I warned you against Windows 10, too. Hope you get out of that stressful experience intact!
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 7:08 pm
Hi Sam, and thanks for posting.

Israel is no ally to any country that does not serve it!

End all U.S AID TO Israel. No more 3+ BILLION, ANNUALLY, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 

Parsifal S (96)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 8:03 pm

Jess, it is planned (or did the USrael-Senate (put Israel first) in Washington already grant a staggering 5bio USD(anually) the Apartheid Zionesia Settler State ?

As to the Islamic State, same here Lady Angelika, I always have been considered a conspiracy nut for saying for 14-16 Months ISIS is a creature of the USrael and supported by the other rogue states Turkey and SaudiArabia.

Thanks Sam for making this point clear with your post.
Let me add -- Israel needs a destabilized ME for it's expansion policy 'Erez Israel' and so supports Jihadi cut-throats and cannibals (considered 'Moderate Rebels' or freedom fighters) WHERE EVER NEEDED !

 

. (0)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 8:27 pm
Why shouldn't Israel be involved, everyone else seems to be.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday December 1, 2015, 10:12 pm

Good morning, Sam :-) ... how long have we been saying this? Remember the nice pic with Netanyahu, his Dep Min of Defense and one of the injured ISIS leaders in the Israeli Military hospital on the Golan Heights from early February 2014? How often have we been laughed at and ridiculed? Maybe now that it's as official as the support of ISIS by the US ... some might believe it as it comes from the horse's mouth (no insult to the horses!!? I circulated recently a detailed article about this charade - unfortunately I don't have the time to search for it - but it's all there out in the open for those who are not blinded ... Have a nice day!!
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 3:13 am
Well that chutzpah for you, condemning Hezbollah and Hamas for being terrorists and then aiding the worst terrorists of them all because Hezbollah is fighting Da'esh. The word terrorist must have a very different meaning in that region and that's very convenient in regard to picking your allies. Turkey is an ally who under the pretense of fighting against Da'esh is trying to kill as many of their terrorists, the Kurds, who actively fight Da'esh, while buying most of Da'esh's illegal oil, Israel is an ally who pretends to stay out of the conflict is trying to kill as many of their terrorists, Hezbollah, who fight Da'esh, while apparently buying much of Da'esh's oil left by Turkey. And America and Europe go on pretending they don't know any of this and continue their billion dollars worth of aid to both of them. The only ones fooled here is the ignorant taxpayer.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 4:04 am
Thanks Sam for your "well wishes" for me with Win 10.. not really very encouraging :P
Something goofed, not sure what but still working on it. Glad I didn't install the upgrade on my other laptop so now at least I can continue working with win 7 without a long interruption..
Much could be said here as to the topic and I have said a lot on other threads..
"Yaalon said Israel and Russia had made arrangements to avoid clashes over Syria, with the agreement said to include a "hotline" and information sharing."
LOL, make that 'Russia and Israel had made arrangements.." in plain words: Putin told him to stay the hell away from his aircraft! The info sharing is true, tho. Yes. And there has been at least one incident were it was the IAF who got in Russia's way, don't know about any case the other way round.
If so, at least they didn't dare following US-Turkey's example. Yes, you read that right, it WAS in coordination and approval by Wash.

Btw Ros-have you fwd that song to Sam as well? I didn't, assuming he wouldn't so much appreciate it. ;-)

 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 4:09 am
I actually think I may be one of those knowing most and best about this whole thing in Syria, the charade and sham going on over 4 yrs... Have been following it VERY closely for a long time in another forum.. evaluating a wide variety of websites and press articles in multiple languages by many countries, comparing it all to the Antlanticist's propaganda , including our own here.
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:47 am
Yep, that's the one Ros! ("...till Armageddon no Shalam, no Shalom..")

I'm saying neither nor and not telling you anything either! ;-) (if I were, it would make at least two of us "following him blindly" for that matter ;-) )
But, I did have the impression before that Sam, who btw does, of course, NOT hate Israelis as we know, yet, isn't exactly too fond of Mr Putin- what a pity if that is the case..
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:50 am
OH AND BTW-I AM on my other machine now and have successfully finished installing Windoof 10 (we call it WinDOOF'= meaning stupid) and I'm quite satisfied with it! Works fine, looks good! :)
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:53 am
Did I miss saying thanks Sam for the POST ? sorry ;)
 

Janis K (129)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 6:33 am
Thanks for sharing.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:32 am


Super, Israel! Keep up the good work!

 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 12:06 pm
Finally! The mask fell off ... Thanks for sharing Sam
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 12:36 pm
Dumbest post of the week. Israel is operating in Syria for its own security.
To link them with ISIS reflects the bigotry you people enjoy. Flagged as unworthy.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 12:53 pm


Add to that the most hypocritical "chutzpah" antisemitic garbage of the week, too, brought to you by one of the head goons of this cesspool.

Want to see Sam's posts condemning Islamic or the Syrian government's terrorism against its own people and the Lebanese? Please see below:

Don't see anything? There's a reason for that.

It's called anti-Semitism disguised as "anti-Zionism". It's called moral and ideological vacuity. It's called not having a life, needing to scapegoat the smallest population and most persecuted people in the world.

By the way, there is NO substantiation on Israel selling weapons to ISIS. Another absurd conspiracy theory by absurd, dishonest dweebs.

Oh Iraq said they retrieved four Israeli passports. Really, Iraq, the citadel of all that is honest, moral, truthful, and humane. Champion of human rights. We can sure to believe anything they say! They're up there with some of the biggest amoral characters on the UNHRC.

Oh, and ISIS is in possession of Israeli Uzis. Wow, so are many Palestinian terrorists. Therefore, Israel must be supplying Uzis to Palestinian terrorists to come kill Israelis.

I just love this sort of "logic" so evident among these posters, noters and commentators. Intellectually and morally bankrupt.

The hypocrisy is THUNDEROUS, so thick with sickness, you can cut it. Shameful.

 

Janet B (0)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 1:51 pm
Thanks
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 3:11 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting this info, Sam.
 

Walter F (128)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 3:46 pm
Stan I flagged it also Sammy and his disciples delight in in vile vindictive anti Israel posts. They're q blight on care 2
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:06 pm
Too bad the hasbara crowd don't approve of exposing Israel's clandestine operations.

Feel free to ignore attempts to cover up the Israeli state's continual efforts to disguise it's crimes and involvement in manipulating and exploiting parties, such as the U.S., to further it's own agenda.

$ U.S.Billions over some 70 years, has only increased the state regime of Israel's determination to continue with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, it started, and the occupation and ongoing, continuous land grabs, annexation of Palestinian territories, human rights abuses, and racist-Nazi like theft of Palestinian homes and resources, and military rule to break up, isolate, and terrorize civilians and children.

The siege of Gaza, and the bombing/onslaught, three times in six years, and control of essential services and freedom of movement and expression in the OPT, over decades, is proof of it's apartheid government and 'matrix of control'.

Israel is not a sacred cow, any longer. Racist, self entitled squealing is proof of the pudding..as it always is, not that there is not more than enough evidence and facts out, now, despite the attempts to shut down reports of Israel's actions and 'misrepresentations'/lies.
 

marie T (163)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:27 pm
Noted
 

marie T (163)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:30 pm
On a lighter side the photo made me smile They don"t look very happy with each other I wouldn't say they are buddies ha ha
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:37 pm


And jess, where are all your posts about how the Syrians have been killing Palestinians in Syria?
None? How come?

Could it be that it’s okay with your ilk to kill and keep Palestinians in horrible conditions, as long as it’s not Israelis who do it?

The highly lucrative Palestinian propaganda effort has been, sometimes known as Pallywood, has been caught time and again in the act of making up their own facts, videotaping fake scenes, yet this seems to not bother you at all, regardless of how vile and bogus it is.

Palestinian imams are telling their mosque-goers that Jews use Palestinian boys’ blood for their matzah. An old blood libel happily slurped down like sugar water to incite their minions to kill Jews. Do you agree with this, too? After all, if Palestinians are saying it, then it must be true? Right, Jess?

What do you have to say about this “fact”?

Well here are some facts that support a quite different picture:

Life Expectancy: In Judea-Samaria, the average life expectancy of a Palestinian man is 73.6 years, for a woman it’s 77.9 years. That’s higher than Brazil, Turkey, and Russia, to name a few.

Literacy: Two years ago, the PA’s own Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics announced that Palestinian Arabs now have one of the lowest rates of illiteracy in the world, just 1.8% among men and 6.4% among women.

Infant Mortality: The infant mortality rate among Palestinians in Judea-Samaria –according to the CIA’s World Factbook — is currently just 13.08. That’s lower than Venezuela, Peru, and the Philippines. There are 114 (out of 224) countries on the list with higher mortality rates than that of the Palestinians.

Poverty: According to the CIA, 18.3% of Palestinians in Judea-Samaria live below the poverty line. That figure was 60% as recently as 2002. Among the countries that currently have a higher percentage than the Palestinians of people below the poverty line: Spain (21%) Romania (22%), Bulgaria (22%) — and Israel, at 21%.

That’s right: there are more Israelis than Palestinians living below the poverty line, according to the CIA. The Israeli social policy group “Latet” reported last year that the the Israeli poverty rate is 31.6%. The Israeli government’s National Insurance institute, which measures poverty differently, calculates that 18.6% of Israelis are below the poverty line –but even that figure is still higher than that of the Palestinians.

More than 98% of them live under the Palestinian Authority, not Israel.

I'd say there are some real serious problems with the whole Fakestinian victim scheme that you've been shooting up, like an addiction to vile, rank antisemitism coursing through your blood stream more powerful than any illegal drug..
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 5:53 pm
@ Parsifal - re that "pay raise"- I am almost certain the bully got what he demanded but, I'm as certain this will not be admitted publicly by Obama, not till after the election, at least. If US taxpayers were 'lucky' it might be 'only' '$ 4-4,5 bn. for the next 10 yrs, depends what other gifts might go along with it, in addition to those promised F-35 for skinny IAF .(it turned out the ejection seats are only safe for a very limited weight ;) )
 

Dt Nc (0)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 8:38 pm
Danke
 

Debra G (0)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 9:50 pm
I did not read anywhere that Israel is aiding ISIS, but is targeting Hezbollah. Israel gains nothing by having Assad overthrown, as more crazies will amass at its borders. You are extrapolating BS from a piss-poor article. You are not welcome back, Sam H, and you and your minions can suck it.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 9:53 pm

This Grandma and her family are not keen in sampling the “nice humane treatment” which is usually vetted out by the illegal Jewish settlers to Palestinian families … would be great if everyone could sign and pass the petition on.

WARNING to the Hasbaratchiks: don't sign as it's not included in your paycheck - LOL!

Help save Nora's home from settlers

“My name is Nora and I’m a grandmother living in the Muslim Quarter of the old City of Jerusalem. In days my children, grandchildren and I could lose our home to Israeli settlers and security forces. They are trying their hardest to push us out, and I’m writing to you today because I urgently need everyone’s help to stop them.

Back in April, Avaaz members in Palestine signed a petition demanding for this decision to be reversed, and public pressure is one of the main reasons the eviction has been postponed. But now officials are in their final stages of deciding, and if we show them that thousands of people are standing with my family, we could get them to drop the case entirely and let us stay in our home.

Tomorrow, we are marching across Jerusalemto the EU and US representatives urging them to intervene and help protect our land. Add your name to help save our home in Jerusalem -- we will have banners at the march showing the number of supporters behind us.”

To Ambassadors, UN Officials, and leaders of international human rights agencies in Jerusalem:
We, citizens from around the world, invite you to visit Grandma Nora's home in the Old City of Jerusalem. We urge you to condemn the Israeli government's policy of supporting settlers in evicting Grandma Nora's family and hundreds of other Palestinian families from their homes in Jerusalem. Your visit to Grandma Nora's home, and your calls to stop this eviction, will deter Israeli settlers and security forces from throwing her and her family to the street. Please pay her a visit! The address is: 33 Aqabat Al-Khalidiyya, Old City, Occupied East Jerusalem

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 9:55 pm

Avaaz has sent an update this morning with the following text:

"Great news! US reps just visited Grandma Nora's home which means this is finally on their agenda! Let's keep up the pressure to ensure the eviction is dropped entirely. Grandma Nora will start marching in just hours -- add your voice!"


 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:01 pm

And here is some background to the story; amazing how persistent this illegal squatters are under the protection of the "law" ...

"Our family has lived in this home for decades. I worked hard to ensure my children received a decent education. My two oldest sons dedicate their lives working for human rights. My daughter is a university student. Nothing makes me happier than seeing my grandchildren who are 9 and 2 years old growing up in our family home. I pray for a peaceful future for them and my heart aches when I think we could all be evicted from our home in the coming days.

We’re being evicted because a settler organization, Ateret Cohanim, that publicly declares its desire to create a Jewish majority in the Muslim Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem petitioned the Israeli courts to kick us out of our home. The Israeli court issued an eviction order in September 2014 based on testimonies of Israeli settlers that want to take over our neighborhood. They know nothing about my family and our life at home, and are blinded by hate.

I have lived through my life watching my neighbors in the Old City, and my family across Jerusalem, being slowly pushed out of the city through cooperation between settlers, the Israeli political establishment and the outcome of discriminatory judicial rulings. I have decided to remain steadfast, and need your help to ensure we're not transferred.
"
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:24 pm


Wow, such an amazing use of "hasbara" seems to make the commentators here convinced that their IQ's and arguments make them seem more authentic and intelligent than they actually are.

Arabic has a number words for propaganda, and in that case, it means lying to deceive, as in, propaganda war, as opposed to "to explain", which is what hasbara means, as I have read.

But this stark difference between the two language's usages, the polar opposite values, the act and value placed upon lying to non-Muslims to advance the cause of Islam has found its soul-siblings in this group.

I still see Jess can't decide whether she believes the blood libel of Palestinian imams. Yes, Jess? No, Jess. You seem to have opinions for everything else Israeli. What's sage wisdom do you have for us on the "truth" that Palestinian imams tell their attendees?

 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:29 pm


So let's talk about the type of "lying" and mendacity PROPAGANDA that has gone on through the Islamic world nearly since its inception and is still used and enabled by people here.

"Each of these words describes a different style of deception used by Muslims when discussing Islam or their activities as Muslims.Muhammad famously said, “War is deceit.” (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 52, Number 268) The Quran boasts that Allah is the “master of all scheming” (Surah 13:42) and that he is “profound in his machinations” (Surah 8:30). Western civilizations are not accustomed to dealing with people, who have developed deception into an art form. Knowledge is power, and the best way to combat the Islamist agenda is to say, “We are wise to your shenanigans. Knock it off!”

 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:30 pm


Takiyya

Takiyya is defined as dissimulation about ones Muslim identity. It comes from the verse in the Quran that says, “Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful – he that does has nothing to hope for from Allah – except in self-defense(illaa an-tattaqu minhum tuqah) (Surah 3:28). This “self-defense” justifies dissimulation. Islamic Sharia Law provides, “When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.” (Reliance of the Traveler, Para r8.2) Examples include lying to protect Islam or a Muslim.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:32 pm


Tawriya

Tawriya is defined as concealing, and it could be called “creative lying”. It is OK to break the intent of the oath, as long as you don’t break the letter of the oath. (Reliance of the Traveler, sections o19.1 and o19.5) How does this work? Suppose someone protests that Surah 1 of the Quran demeans Christians and Jews, because it is a supplication Muslims make to Allah seventeen times a day to keep them from the path of “those with whom God is angry” and “those who have lost their way”. A Muslim might respond, “Surah 1 never mentions Jews or Christians.” He is practicing tawriya, because while Surah 1 does not mention Jews and Christians by name, but he knows full-well that the words “those” refer to Jews and Christians.

Another example would be when a Muslim responds to your greeting of “Merry Christmas!” He might say, “I wish you the best.” In your mind, you think he has returned a Christmas greeting. In actuality, he has expressed his wish for you to convert to Islam; he wishes the best for you which, in his view, is becoming a Muslim.

 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:33 pm


Kitman

Kitman is characterized by someone telling only part of the truth. The most common example of this is when a Muslim says that jihadreally refers to an internal, spiritual struggle. He is not telling “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”, as witnesses are sworn to do in U.S. courts. Often, kitman results in a gross distortion of the truth. In the example given, the Quran uses jihad and its derivatives 59 times. Of those, only 16 (27%) could be considered “internal” with no object as the target of the struggle based on the context of the surah.

Another common form of kitman is to quote only the few peaceful passages from the Quran, knowing full-well that that passage was later abrogated by a more militant, contradictory verse. Here is an example:

“There is no compulsion in religion” (Surah 2:256) Early Medina

“Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” (Surah 3:83 Later Medina)

Another example:

“Permission to take up arms is hereby given to those who are attacked, because they have been wronged.” (Surah 22:39) Late Mecca

“When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” (Surah 9:5) Late Medina

 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Wednesday December 2, 2015, 10:36 pm


Muruna

Muruna means using “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings. The justification for this kind of deception is a somewhat bizarre interpretation of Surah 2:106, which says, “If we abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We will replace it by a better one or similar.” Thus, Muslims may forget some of the commands in the Quran, as long as they are pursuing a better command. Muslims striving to advance Islam, therefore, can deviate from their Islamic laws in order to cause non-Muslims to lower their guard and place their trust in their Muslim counterpart.

At times, Muslims practice muruna in the same way a chameleon changes colors to avoid detection. Muslims will sometimes shave off their beards, wear western clothing, or even drink alcohol to blend in with non-Muslims. Nothing is more valuable these days to the Islamists than a blue-eyed Caucasian Muslim willing to engage in terrorism.

Another common way of using muruna is for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim or to behave like a non-Muslim so their true agenda will not be suspected. The 9/11 hijackers visited strip clubs and bars during their off-times while taking classes in the U.S. to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the White House. Many Americans believe Hillary Clinton’s aide, Huma Abedin, married Jewish Congressman Anthony Weiner at least in part to burnish her security credentials so she could infiltrate the highest levels of the Administration.

The implications of these highly-honed tactics of deception could be enormous for unassuming Western societies. Twenty years ago, psychologist Paul Ekman wrote an insightful book, “Telling Lies”, which demonstrated that people give off recognizable clues when they are practicing deceit. Their consciences cause them, involuntarily, to sweat or raise their voices or make other recognizable gestures. However, Dr. Ekman’s research was exclusively with people from Western cultures. Muslims, on the other hand, show no discernible signs when they are being deceitful because there is no feeling of guilt. In their minds they are doing exactly what Allah wants them to do to advance Islam. Because any Western person who has raised children knows almost intuitively when someone is lying, so they assume they can do that in all cases. Unfortunately, those same Western people can be easily duped by Islamic deceit because there are no tell-tale signs in the deceiver."

And the profoundly and willingly duped and dishonest have certainly found company in each other here.

 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 2:12 am
Patricia, these are the people who believe, like Hitler did, that propaganda videos encouraging people to murder Israelis is acceptable and object to social media removing it. So, they believe that incitement to murder is acceptable.

Incitement to murder is an offence in any civilised country so we can exclude Gaza from that list because that is where it is coming from. That the Judeophobes support such a crime doesn't surprise me either. Of course they will ignore us, we are the civilised crowd. After all NOT ONE OF US has called for the murder of Muslims or any other people.......

 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 2:18 am
As for Israel supporting the Islamic State, I wonder what the people on this board take, smoke, inhale or inject. The ISLAMIC State want to take over a chunk of the Middle East and this is indicated by another name, ISIL or The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. This is an undefined region around Syria which is historically referred to as the Levant; it includes Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine, and Jordan.

So Israel supports an organisation that wants to wipe it off the face of the earth........as I said, how stupid do you have to be to believe that or is it the drugs?

 

PlsNoMessage se (588)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 2:49 am
It`s a big scam :-) The west are doing whatever they can to stop the east by any means, as we have seen for some time now. BUT they are loosing control. The mayhem get smaller and smaller.
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 3:00 am
Blod libels continue against Israel/Jews with Abbas picking up on the use of Jews of the blood of Palestinian children. That has been around since Christianity came into existence and probably earlier than that. It is pathetic that there are people who say this and even more pathetic that people believe it. Jews do not eat/drink blood any more than they eat pork! It is haram!! (For those who only know or care about Islam.)
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 3:38 am
I'll bet with you there any time, Ros!
Eleonora, thx again, signed of course from emai learlier. What I am wondering is who/which Rep/s(wow, more than one?) actually visited grandma Nora?? I could only think of ONE and that would be Keith Ellison..
Avaaz didn't offer any evidence or details there, did they?Cannot find anything on it.

 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 3:57 am
One thing, though, is sure: the Nutyahoo may just get in trouble as well if Israel is not stopping those illegal oil transfers being operated from Ashdod port after they arrive from Turkey. Noobdy participating in this should expect mercy from Putin and any excuses "we didn't know" don't work any longer!
Turkey first, let's see who's next on the black list.
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 8:34 am
I can't call you peacegoodwill because you show rampant anti-Semitism which makes you a racist. Racism does not show peace towards that group or goodwill. So you will have to change your name to rampant racist.

 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 8:35 am
lol Ros- Julie's intel .. ok.
[...]"No, whether her husband is alive or dead, Tara has already signed her and her children’s death warrants. She will either be shot for her exhibiting her wish to return or remain in al Raqqa as just another mobile uterus.
And if her damaged children are allowed to live they will become the sexual playthings of hardened jihadists until their use-by date.
It’s puzzling that the Government and the media haven’t figured this out."
(http://pickeringpost.com/story/khaled-sharrouf-may-not-be-dead/5059) ;) with love from the fear mongering Propaganda Ministerium ;) )
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 8:40 am
now, I am accused of calling a group the ISLAMIC STATE (or rather IS) because everyone else does but I am not allowed to.any particular reason? But you can STILL call it the Islamic State but in a different form - Daesh is an acronym for the Arabic phrase al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant). As the Levant includes Israel I prefer not to accommodate them. Or is it that you don't want people to remember that the ISLAMIC STATE is pure ISLAM. As nasty and as toxic an ideology as anyone has ever come across and is similar to fascism. And the gang of Judeophobes supports this murderous and appalling ideology........

I also see that the rampant racist doesn't like being challenged and is spitting acid at Stan for daring to flag this post.
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 8:45 am
rampant racist, the parallel of Hitler was the genocide of the Jews and the Palestinians/Muslims are also attempting it.

I was also amused at the idea that Israel would support a group that clearly states that they want to destroy them. If you aren't on drugs then the alternative applies - stupidity.
 

Patricia Martinez (63)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 10:54 am


You know, I am SO offended and disgusted that Israel would try to defend itself against its own genocide. Really, who do they think they are!

When the Islamic State is beheading, raping, murdering thousands of people, that's okay, because you know, they really can't help themselves.

But ISRAEL trying to prophyllactically defend itself by destroying some weapons that will be turned on them, now THAT'S inexcusable!

Don't they understand yet, that they are simply expected to roll over and die?! Because that is what would make US happy. So let's demonize them for doing what any country (except under this administration) would do!

Oh so the French and the British are bombing ISIS? Well that's okay, because they're not JEWISH. Nothing is acceptable when done by Jews, unless it's someone who sold out and is trying to gain favor and love with the Jew-haters.

We just LOVE those Capos!

 

John De Avalon (36)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 11:59 am
Crikey! They've all crawled out of the woodwork again.

Haven't the events of recent weeks shown all too clearly what happens when people stir the hate pot?

I've no doubt Israel has been carrying out military operations within Syria. Indeed, its no secret that they've been disrupting missile shipments to Hezbollah. And why wouldn't they?

Iran has got whole divisions fighting along side Assad's forces within Syria - again, no secret - but apparently not worthy of any mention. Likewise, Turkey's violation of Syrian sovereignty to attack the Kurdish region of northern Syria.

One look at the map will immediately tell 'you' which country has been allowing men and supplies to reach ISIS and buying cheap looted oil off them.
 

Roger G (148)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 12:29 pm
noted, thanks
 

M B (62)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 12:50 pm
Where's smoke, there's fire? Or how does the saying go?
The oil. the money. Jesuisparishilton. All of a sudden a former Mossad member appears on tv and warns us about the Muslim-problem, etc. etc. He linked Israeli related Muslim problems with the Paris attacks.
Could that be a propaganda stunt? Just wondering.
Funny. sheferish lignerish .both sides. 'Western civilizations are not accustomed to dealing with people, who have developed deception into an art form. Knowledge is power, and the best way to combat your_ agenda is to say, “We are wise to your shenanigans. Knock it off!” Now, here's space to subst 'your_' with your favorite terrorist, LOL
------------I'm not left or right, I keep thinking for myself.----------
Visited Grandma. Signed.

Thanks, Sam. ************


 

Janet B (0)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 12:54 pm
Thanks
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 2:05 pm

Hi Ros ;-) - I must admit that I admire your patience and enjoy your comments! I have a feeling that you're the one who invented the NVC (short for Nonviolent Communication). Stars to you *********!

Angelika - unfortunately I wasn't able to get more info on the subject of the US rep visiting the home of Nora. Important is that is this new attempt by those illegal squatters is hopefully stopped and doesn't fly under the radar of the officials as so often in the past.

As for your comment of Thursday December 3, 2015, 3:57 am - spot on! But naturally yours is a pure anti-Semitic comment ... LOL!!

Funny how there are plenty of comments empty of content on this thread ...

You two ladies have a great weekend!
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 4:51 pm
How interesting.
 

Vlasta M (7)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 6:06 pm
There are many delusional Jew haters on this Forunm. Sam is NUTS and needs to hvae his head examindd as his claims that Israel has anything to do with ISIS are totally off the wall. It is just like the crazy claims of Muslims and Nazis that Jews are responsible for all the problems of the world...and 9/11/2001.

You guys are ignorant of history and of the mening of Judaism...you should be punished to readk Koran, Hadist and Sira (www.cspipublishing.com/pdfs/AtwoHourKoran.pdf) to understand what fuels terrorism and violence in the Middle east and arround the world...ISlam is a DEATH CULT...that isn now on the move everywhere.
 

. (0)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 6:09 pm
you know who I mean. thank you. and please do not give authority to labeling machines.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 9:33 pm
Where in the article, exactly did it say anything about Israel and ISIS being on the same side at all?

Netanyahu said Israel was working to stop arms from flowing into Lebanon. We know that ISIS has been active in Lebanon, and that Israel wants both Hezbollah and ISIS to bleed. Wars, contrary to idiocy rampant among many who choose to follow it when it suits their delusions, can have more than two sides. Striking at Hezbollah does not put Israel on-side with ISIS any more than striking at ISIS puts it on-side with Hezbollah. Sam has been calling Israel and ISIS allies for months, as he noted here. Only in truly twisted minds does shooting at terrorists suddenly mean that an army sides with other terrorists. He has been wrong for months, in much the same way that Bush was wrong about Iraq when he did not expect any insurgency. They hated Saddam and wanted to fight against the Western occupation-force, as many here trumpeted at the time. Who could possibly imagine that Israelis might hate Hezbollah and also want to fight against ISIS?

Now, as for this silliness about Israel taking ISIS' oil ... http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2015/8/24/three-quarters-of-israels-oil-imported-from-iraqi-kurdistan ...
No, unless somebody here is paranoid enough to believe that Al-Araby Al-Jadeed is likely to parrot Israeli propaganda, the only viable conclusion is that Israel is buying its oil from people fighting against ISIS. Israeli paid-for assets do head towards ISIS very quickly from that point, but in the form of Kurds' bullets.

The truth is that this is a non-story. We've known about Israeli activity in Syria for a very, very long time. Remember when they bombed the arms-shipment to Hezbollah and the warehouse from which it came? That was well-known at the time. Netanyahu described that operation and others like it, and only confirmed that ground-work for such operations is laid in the way that we already knew from those bombings happening in the first place.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday December 3, 2015, 9:35 pm
Just to be clear about my last paragraph:

Israeli operations in Syria have been anything but clandestine. Early in the war, they bombed a warehouse full of explosives in Damascus. The result was initially mistaken for an earthquake by may inhabitants. That is not exactly subtle.
 

Colleen L (3)
Friday December 4, 2015, 12:01 am
Thanks Sam
 

Farah Hage Ali (154)
Friday December 4, 2015, 2:07 am
Noted, thank you for sharing
Additionally, Israel is treating opposition war-wounded in its hospitals since the beginning of the crisis. It is helping the opposition in specific ISIS by buying the oil which is considered the main source of funding.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday December 4, 2015, 9:31 am
@ Farah -well, it is disputed whether it's that oil (which I beieve it is) or the slave/trafficking or the dope trade.
Israel is, however, not involvedin the latter two.
And yes, medical aid to all rebels opposing Assad has been given from start, that's well known and undisputed and also some Israeli Generals were on the battlefield in both, Iraq and Syria, two got caught.
It isbeyond me how anyone would doubt or not acknowledge this, even after Israel itself said that" ISIS is good for Israel". And the terror group hasn't todate done any harm to Israel, zero whatsoever. Never mind some alledged claims saying otherwise, propaganda!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday December 4, 2015, 10:08 am
Hi Ros :)

I haven't checked official databses, but here are the two first articles I found:
http://www.thejc.com/business/business-features/109916/roll-out-israels-oil-barrels
This one, from 2014, suggests Israel's major foreign suppliers are Russia and former soviet states.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2006/07/where_does_israel_get_oil.html
This one, from 2006, suggests that Israel was buying from Europeans who were buying from Arab states, and also from Egypt under terms of the peace treaty, and had access to U.S. exports in case of shortage (despite the U.S. being a net-importer, it actually does export a lot of oil, with it being cheaper to send overseas than across land).

The impression I had earlier was that Israelis bought oil retail from Western countries, and then moved more toward Russian sources as production there rose. Now, I understand Israel is developing production on its shale-reserves and may become self-sufficient or even a net-exporter in several years.

I can see where a it of confusion may arise, with the claims of Israel buying ISIS' oil: Russia is northwest of Israel, on the other side of ISIS-held territory. The theory is that Israelis would buy ISIS' oil retail from Turkey, also in the same direction. Somebody predisposed to producing such crazy conspiracy-theories might jump to assume that Israel would buy from people who regularly call for its destruction rather than one of the world's largest exporters that happens to be a bit further away.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday December 4, 2015, 10:17 am
Hi Angelika :)

I'm familiar with a claim by a conspiracy-website that an Israeli general was caught commanding ISIS forces, parroted here on Care2. It originated on Veterans Today, which now has on its front page a claim that the Sandy Hook massacre as just a drill. Looking at the rest of the page, VT almost looks like a parody of conspiracy nuts, except it's serious.

You mentioned there were two. What was the other case?
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday December 4, 2015, 10:29 am
I don't regard my statement further above about Israel, after FACILITATING the illegal oil trade in the first place, ends up getting/keeping about one third of it for its own use, as"silly''.
They have very poor /limited refinery capacities thus can't take more.
I never even saw that al Arabya link before and had quite a different US source for that. Also another European source confirming this.
It's been known how much goes via Malta> Italy (Berlusconi's cover up OPs via AC Milano socker club) etc etc-up to the Netherlands even. All this would never be possible without first Erdogan's son and then Israel's help via Ashdod, as I said before.
It is less important where the oil originated from, mostly Iraq and also Syria as ISIL taps from both.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday December 4, 2015, 10:36 am
Here's once more for Stephen:
"Only in truly twisted minds does shooting at terrorists suddenly mean that an army sides with other terrorists"
Exactly, and goes only to show just HOW twisted are those Turkish minds! Is precisely what they've been doing.
No chance, their nasty double sided game, in agreement and assistance with US/NATO is OVER.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday December 4, 2015, 1:58 pm
Hi Angelika :)

I think you're missing something central in the timeline: The article referring to Israel getting most of its oil from those resales was from years before ISIS sold any.

The information about Israel switching from European retail, which was not black-market at all, just resold by Europeans after legally purchasing it from oil companies in Arab states (or transferring it after extraction by Western-held companies there after paying the ~80% excise-tax for foreign-held corporations), was from 2006, long before ISIS sold any oil. Here we have a 2011 article referring to the bulk of Israeli oil already coming from former Soviet states: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-1000685052

At no point was there any Israeli facilitation of ISIS black-market sales.

I know what you mean about the Turks, bombing the Kurds and effectively helping ISIS. In that case, I get the impression some Turkish internal politics may be at play, and that past Turkish Syrian relations may also be playing a role in where Turkish forces strike.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Friday December 4, 2015, 10:42 pm

Where the IS is selling the stolen oil ?

So much about Stephen's homework ...

 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday December 4, 2015, 11:26 pm
Hi Parsifal :)

What does your link have to do with anything? I followed it and it's a tabloid-style blog talking about David Cameron having sex with the head of a pig. Just in case that was a joke, I went to see all articles, and the first two were about outlandish claims about the Clintons and repeatedly disproved BS about vaccines. Please tell me you don't actually consider that source credible on its own merit.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday December 5, 2015, 6:19 am
Perhaps you should have Ros, just like Stephen also did. His link wasn't precise enough to lead to the specific story which is a much extended lenghty version ,supplemented with some twists, of what I was referring to earlier. And yes, indeed it were the Financial Times and the Jerusalem Post where before I had read those stories.

To cut a long story short, the point being that 1.) even the oil from the KRG is illegal and 2.) it gets mixed with even more illegal ISIS oil, thus is, once in Turkey, indistinguishable from Kurdish oil, relabeled and declared "legal" or at least "semi-legal". All that done by a criminal cartell.
Israel resells that oil to various sources distributing it in Europe, as I stated earlier. There's no denying that such practices equate indirect aid to ISIS financing. All these routes and dealings from oil fields up to final recipients have been well monitored and registered for some time.

As for the alledged 2.case of an IDF commander getting caught on either Syrian or Iraqi terroritory, I admit I'll have to back there, Stephen. I really cannot remember any details nor link and cannot rule out either that I may have confused something there. Perhaps read the same case twice frm different sources, don't remember. But sorry for that. However,even ONE case is bad enough and telling.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday December 5, 2015, 6:40 am
Stephen, since you alledged that I had picked up from Al Araby-al- jadeed, which I had not and not even seen that link/story before, I now followed your link to that site which also refers to the FT in that short story there. But I found another one which exactly matches what I described above and have also read on another site in a very similar way.
Parsifal's blogpost also seems to have taken a lot from there> http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/11/26/raqqas-rockefellers-how-islamic-state-oil-flows-to-israel/
It is from Nov., never figured out just what you meant claiming I'm "missing something central in the timeline".
What you and Ros brought in the discussion here, about official and legal supplies of oil to Israel,(e.g.from Russia) wasn't the /my topic at all. Neither about any oil to Israel before 2011/ISIS OPs.
 

Gillian M (11)
Sunday December 6, 2015, 6:42 am
rampant racist, you are really determined to pretend that you are not. Jews ARE A RACE, that has been proven by genetics so you are a racist/anti-Semite.

As for Islam, I agree that it is a hate filled ideology and not really a religion nor is it of peace but its adherents like to pretend that is is a religion. Of course, anyone who reads it can see that it is a foul idea with a prophet who had mental health issues including a sex disorder. I have repeatedly shown what he is yet people seem to think that his behavior was acceptable. In these days he would be in a jail or a psychiatric hospital either of which would be approriate.

As for the others, their right wing facism leaps off of the page. But we know that Hitler admired Islam and that the Muslims worked for him in his dusgusting SS. No doubt they enjoyed it. I have no doubt that those on this article would too. It describes their attitude.

Yet decent people condemn this behavior.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday December 6, 2015, 10:19 pm
Hi Angelika :)

Something really doesn't add up in the al Arabiya story you posted: Normally, when one's barbaric mortal enemies need to sell oil to fund their genocidal war-effort, one does not help them in this. The story,to work, requires that Kurds on the border act as selling-agents for ISIS. Organized criminals or not, they have a fair idea what will happen to them if ISIS' war-effort, in which they would be asked to play a vital role, is anywhere close to successful.

What I meant about you missing something in the timeline was this: The usual idea about Israelis getting their oil from ISIS is that they are getting resold oil which originated there. While Israel did get mostly resold oil several years ago, it has been getting oil directly from oil-rich regions since before ISIS controlled any territory. The timings just don't match to make the most common "resold oil" theory even plausible.

Hi Penny :)
Judaism is, technically, not a race. Conversion to and from the religion are possible, and would not be if Judaism were genetic. There is a whole lot of genetic similarity because the conversion-rate is very low compared to the natural birth-rate.

Islam is also not a single ideology. Post-Caliphate cultures sustain ideologies that the rest of the world abandoned long ago. Seriously, make a map at where the trouble originates and compare it to old maps of the Caliphates, and then adjust for wave-migration. They're practically identical, and they do not include all of Islam.

These days, like you said, Mohammed would be in jail receiving psychiatric treatment, and rightfully so. Of course, so would everybody else from his time and place, and they were mostly more ridiculously unacceptable. Post-Caliphate cultures keep norms stable as they were many centuries ago not due to Islam itself, but due to Islam's role in their social contract. There once was a time when there was a 100% correlation between Muslims and the dominant society of the Caliphate, but that is no longer true. Southeast Asian Islam (outside of Aceh) and Middle Eastern Islam are very different things, and there is diversity and conflict even within Middle Eastern Islam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday December 8, 2015, 7:24 am
Stephen, let's just end this here and now by agreeing to disagree, OK?!
Far off from Sam's topic as it got already..we just believe each what we want, think that's best :) PEACE!
 
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