Start A Petition

As Israel Cheats, the US Clarifies: Made in the West Bank Is NOT Made in Israel!


World  (tags: Israel, settlements, made, Israel, West, Bank, Cheat, mislabel, products, BDS )

Sam
- 1116 days ago - yahoo.com
The US restates the terms of the laws requiring that goods from Gaza and the West Bank be labeled as such. "It is not acceptable to mark such goods with the words 'Israel,' 'Made in Israel,' 'Occupied Territories-Israel' or any variation thereof."



   

We hate spam. We do not sell or share the email addresses you provide.

Comments

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 28, 2016, 11:32 pm
THANKS FOR SHARING SAM
 

Rose Becke (141)
Friday January 29, 2016, 1:04 am
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the decision to reissue the policy had been taken after complaints that some West Bank products had been mislabeled prior to US import.

"US Customs and Border Protection reissued guidance on their marking requirements," he told reporters. "It in no way supersedes prior rulings or regulations.

"And nor does it impose additional requirements with respect to merchandise imported from the West Bank, Gaza Strip or Israel."

The US Customs statement, visible on the agency's website, restates the terms of 1995 and 1997 laws requiring that goods from Gaza and the West Bank be labeled as such.

"It is not acceptable to mark the aforementioned goods with the words 'Israel,' 'Made in Israel,' 'Occupied Territories-Israel' or any variation thereof," the statement said.

Some Israeli settlers living in the West Bank are known to label products for export as being from Israel, and the European Union recently acted to ban the practice.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has repeatedly condemned the European move, which Israel feels discriminates against Jewish producers and amounts to a boycott. Taken from Article
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Friday January 29, 2016, 3:30 am
great statement, thank you for sharing, Sam.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:33 am
Israel breaks our laws!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:33 am
Israel breaks international law!

 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:34 am
Israel spies on us!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:34 am
Israel illegally occupies Palestinian land!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:35 am
Israel commits war crimes!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:35 am
Israel imposes collective punishment on the Palestinians!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:36 am
Israel commits human rights abuses against the Palestinians!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:36 am
Israel is the only rogue nation to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:36 am
Israel is a threat to peace!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:37 am
Israel saps our resources!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:38 am
Israel is an apartheid state!
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:38 am
And we’re hard on Israel!!!!
 

Janis K (129)
Friday January 29, 2016, 6:30 am
Thanks for sharing
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday January 29, 2016, 7:00 am
The pro-Zionist outcry about labelling clearly settlement products is a clear symptom of their will to disguise their illegal actions ..... After all, accurate labelling recognises that legally, under international law, these settlement territories are NOT part of Israel itself (even in the Israeli maps & geography schoolbooks, not border is shown between Israel itself and the occupied lands that it is set on swallowing up (at least, the viable parts ...). But if they can get the "Israel" label accepted for the settlements, as time goes buy, those settlement names will be recognised as "Israel" - a main step towards total annexation. Which they hope will go unnoticed by any who might be concerned about human rights. The extremists already only refer to the occupied land as "Judea & Samaria" - i.e. Israel. All part of their programme of "ethnic clearing" (if not "cleansing")

Thanks, Sam - both for the good news, and for sharing it here.
 

Lona G (66)
Friday January 29, 2016, 7:42 am
Excellent decision to "remind" the Israeli government of this existing rule, which is in line with the EU's rules on labeling for Israel. Although I don't think they needed a reminder not to put 'Occupied Territories-Israel' on their products, Sam LOL I'd leave that one up to the Palestinians ;-)

You are afraid this rule will only last "until the US Congress which is made by Israel changes that", Sam, so I'd like to remind you and fellow progressives to get out the vote this year and make sure that Congress is made by you (America) again!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday January 29, 2016, 8:57 am
The U.S. should enforce its regulations and laws, but it is also worth noting why country-labeling is normally used:

It is not about politics at all. It has nothing to do with countries' positions on where borders ought to be, or what land ought to belong to what country. It is much more boring than that. Country-labeling is used primarily to note under what standards the product was produced. Butter from New Zealand, for example, is produced in such a way as to have a much more consistent water-content. People might note that it is X% water, but X plus or minus what? The country-labeling which lets people look up regulations at the point of production lets people look that up. On a slightly more exciting note, it also lets people look at the permitted lead-content in paint on a product or soil-regulations for a field where food is grown, and can be a hidden safety-issue (and I'm talking about China for both of those). The same goes for permitted puss content in milk (due to laceration of cows during mechanized milking and the infections they get, which then get drained along with the milk) which is much higher in Quebec, for example, than in the rest of Canada or the U.S.

Now the question really should be whether Israeli regulations are enforced upon production in the settlements as they are within Israel's 1967 borders. If it is, then there ought to be no problem with labeling those products as coming from Israel. If they fall under regulations from the Palestinian Authority like other products from the West Bank, which to say the least I somehow doubt, then they ought to be labelled as being from there. Still, the law is the law and ought to be enforced unless and until it is changed. Perhaps the best thing to do would be to have the products labeled fully as "Made in the West Bank under Israeli quality-control" if that is the case.
 

Sam H (410)
Friday January 29, 2016, 9:18 am
Nothing is more poisonous than consuming stolen products, made from stolen resources and produced on a stolen land! But it takes someone with a clear conscience to recognize that kind unhealthy, unethical products!

All that long convoluted answer fails to recognize the unethical Israeli practice of mislabeling products produced by illegal Israeli settlements on Palestinian land. Israel has no right to impose any guidelines in a country it occupies illegally!

Misleading the American public by mislabeling such products is just one small example of the many devious ways Israel employs in its dealings with the rest of the world!
 

Kathleen Mireault (211)
Friday January 29, 2016, 9:20 am
Thanks for sharing, Sam!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday January 29, 2016, 12:35 pm
Stephen -
"Perhaps the best thing to do would be to have the products labeled fully as "Made in the West Bank under Israeli quality-control" if that is the case"
I can go along with that label - meets the requirements of clarity that products are made outside of "official" Israel ... in the West Bank. *******************

Your discussion of country code isn't really clear - because where the "made in Israel" label is (mis)used, the country code in the barcode is .... Israel.

Also -often, the country code/ barcode gives the country of packaging, not necessarily the country of origin.

Lona - ***************************************** for your excellent comment! Yes - it is up to US citizens to get out there and vote for the government that meets what the US USED to be, & could be again if power is transferred from the hands of the 1% & the clowns competing for the 1%'s candidacy for 2016! (And that voting must go for more than the Presidency ... the House of Representatives & the Senate also needs to be carried by people speaking for the people not the 1% too ......
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:25 pm
I read about this earlier and also incidently just watched the DoS briefing by Mark Toner today where that was addressed ,among other issues. (http://video.state.gov/en/video/4726812062001)

What this case made clear, is, how few Americans actually knew about the US' own regulations on the matter, including perhaps congress critters, unless the lawmakers WERE quite aware of their own CBP rules and YET had the nerve to sneak that pro-Israeli provision into their EU trade bill !
I would assume the latter! And all that brouhaha from the Nutyahoo about our labelling directive was another of his nasty deception attempts, relying on widespread ignorance.
Thanks Sam.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:38 pm
I would disagree with Evelyn as I can NOT go along with Stehen's suggestion.
It is, after all, possible there couldbe SOME people who can not really locate the West bank, only briefly heard of it. For those it would be necessary to have that label read ""Made in the West Bank under Israeli occupation and quality-control" -provided the latter is happening. Which it probably is, given that I think most if not all companies in the OT are under Israeli ownership and management.
Common sense tells us a label like that is out of the question. :-) The point of all the settlement labelling directive was/is to NOT have the word 'Israel' included in the first place!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday January 29, 2016, 4:46 pm
And it isn't merely about transparency and quality control, it is mainly about TAXING! The US and Israel have a special tax exempt agreement which, of course, does NOT apply to illegal settlements not recognized by US and the world. That is where the cheating comes in.
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Friday January 29, 2016, 7:38 pm
Noted. Thanks for sharing Sam.
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 12:05 am
Thanks, Sam more stars ****** Evelyn, Angelika, Lona, Rose ********

Boycott Israel.

End all U.S. AID TO Israel.
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 12:13 am
Thank you Sam, and thank you Angelica for the clarification.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 12:49 am
Angie - thanks for the link to the video. The relevant part is just after 24mins ...

I suspect that (as in most cases) there were lawmakers who genuinely were unaware, & who just followed their advisors (who probably were more aware), while there were others who counted on such ignorance ... and made every effort to ensure that the question of contradiction didn't come up in discussions!

The issue of taxing ... no doubt AIPAC and co will make every effort to ensure that the tax advantages of Israeli products would be extended to settlement products. The taxability of "Made in the West Bank" should be an issue raised for discussion .... The Occupation ensures that few Palestinian products could even be exported ... and therefore benefit if the West Bank were to be tax-exempt ....

I can live with Stephen's wording, because it does at least differentiate - and should be accompanied by a barcode for Palestine/Occupied Territories (NOT 729) .... I would far prefer a label "Israeli settlements in the WB" (not just "settlements" because too many people could believe that these are within the State of Israel). But better a distinction than allowing mislabelling with impunity.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 2:53 am
Here's what would solve the problem: finally the official UN vote appoved recognition by the entire international community of a STATE OF PALESTINE ! No ifs and buts.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 3:35 am
From your lips/computer to God's/YWH's/Allah's/G*D's ears, Angie!!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 9:24 am
Any of you lot going to stop using your Chinese made computer in protest at China's illegal occupation of Tibet?
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 9:39 am
All this 'protest' is going to achieve is keep Palestinians unemployed and destitute.

Such conditions, when hate is added, make ideal breeding grounds for terrorism. So more of the same for the foreseeable future.

Quite the opposite is needed. Investment to create jobs and economic prosperity for the Palestinians.
Under such conditions a more moderate political stance would take hold, which would make a lasting peace settlement - and an independent Palestinian state - possible.

I assume the long-term aim of all this is the economic collapse of the Israeli economy. I doubt that would happen and even if it did, given the Israeli psyche, an even more extreme government than Netanyahu's would come to power, which would not serve the Palestinian cause, nor any cause - the Israelis are a nuclear power remember.



 

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 12:43 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting, Sam.
 

Janet B (0)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 1:07 pm
Thanks
 

Karey Materi (80)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 1:20 pm
THANKS FOR POSTING.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 2:03 pm
Walls..can be built and can be torn down. i've seen it! Ours was built to last "another 100 years"(Honecker), it survived 28 yrs.
The day brave Israelis are fed up with a constantly warring leader they'll recognise he isn't really a "protector of Israel/is" and will join with Palestinians to take down the monster.
Perhaps the wind of change in the US will further that day..
 

Birgit W (160)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 2:56 pm
Angelika R. says it all. Thanks for sharing.
 

Vlasta M (7)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 2:57 pm
thousands of people are being murdered by Muslims in the countries surrounding Israel and all these morons want to do is to prevent Muslims in West bank to make a living, which is the Jews who live there provide for them, as their own government is so corrupt that all the money that UN, US and EC had sunk into solving "the Palestinian problem" disappears in pockets of their corrupt and dysfunctional politicians.

Ignorant people on this forum should go and visit Israel and then go to Syria, Jordan,Lebanon, Egypt and or Iraq to see how Muslims live in their majority Muslims country and compare it with how Muslims live in Israel and even in Gaza, home of terrorist organization of Hamas supported by CAIR in USA. Rockets keep falling on Israel from Gaza and from Lebanon, Muslims keep stabbing Jews in Israel and nobody talks about this Muslims gorilla in the living room which is the main threat to peace around the world.

 

Roger G (148)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 3:10 pm
noted, thanks
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 4:41 pm
The last I heard, my computer wasn't made in Tibet - there don't seem to be computer factories there ...

And China actively promotes Tibetan products (which are not produced in Chinese illegal settlements)

Freeing Tibet is a valid cause, but comparing Tibet/China situations with Israel/Palestine is invalid hasbara logic - trying to deviate attention from the key message.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 5:02 pm
It is not LEGAL to label products made in settlements within the West Bank as "MADE IN ISRAEL" Not under US Law .....
And not under international law.

Concerning settlers and settlements - read & watch this:
"The Settlers" By Shimon Dotan: New Film Reveals History & Consequences of Israeli Settlements on Palestinian Land

A documentary made by an Israeli Jew .....
 

lisa O (6)
Saturday January 30, 2016, 6:47 pm
Now I hope we actually enforce it since we often do not where Israel is concerned.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 2:04 am
Thanks Sam--noted. Peace.
 

Marija M (25)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 10:33 am
thank you for sharing and ty for interesting comments
 

. (0)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 11:08 am
The term “Settlements” usually refers to the towns and villages that Jews have established in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip since Israel captured the area in the Six-Day War of 1967. In many cases, the settlements are in the same area which flourishing Jewish communities have lived for thousands of years.

History of the Settlement Movement
Following Israel's resounding defeat of the invading Arab armies in the Six-Day War, strategic concerns led both of Israel's major political parties - the Labor and Likud - to support and establish settlements at various times. The first settlements were built by Labor governments from 1968 to 1977, with the explicit objective to secure a Jewish majority in key strategic regions of the West Bank - such as the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem corridor - that were the scene of heavy fighting in several of the Arab-Israeli wars.

The second wave of settlement construction began with the1968 occupation of the Park Hotel in Hebron, a city with a long, rich Jewish history dating back to biblical times that had only been interrupted by a massacre of Jewish residents by Arabs in 1929. Those who came to Hebron in 1968 were the first of the ideological settlers who believed that Israel's victory the prior year was an act of G-d which indicated divine providence that the historic Land of Israel should be restored to the Jewish people. Very few such settlements were established until Menachem Begin was elected Prime Minister of Israel in 1977. Begin's government, as well assubsequent Likud-led governments, provided financial incentives for Jews to move to parts of Judea and Samaria that did not necessarily have any strategic value. Their purpose was to solidify Israel's hold on territory that was part of biblical and historical Israel and preempt the creation of a Palestinian state.

A third group of Jews who are today considered "settlers," moved to the West Bank primarily for economic reasons; that is, the government provided financial incentives to live there, and the towns were close to their jobs.

As of July 2012, the estimated Jewish population of the nearly 130 officially recognized West Bank settlements was 350,150. Critics suggest these figures imply territorial compromise with the Palestinians is impossible; however, the distribution of the Jewish population is such that a solution is not only conceivable but also very plausible and practical.

When Arab-Israeli peace talks began in late 1991, more than 80 percent of the West Bank contained no settlements or only sparsely populated ones. Currently, more than 60 percent of Israelis living in the West Bank live in just five settlement blocs - Ma’ale Adumim, Modiin Ilit, Ariel, Gush Etzion, Givat Ze’ev - which all lie within only a few miles of the 1967 border, otherwise known as the "Green Line." These settlement blocs could be brought within Israel's borders so as to retain an Arab population (from the West Bank) of less than 50,000. It is inconceivable that Israel would evacuate large cities such as Ma’ale Adumim, with a population of approximately 35,000, even after a peace agreement with the Palestinians, and even Yasser Arafat grudgingly accepted at Camp David the idea that the large settelement blocs would be part of Israel.

The area in dispute is also very small. According to one organization critical of settlements, the built-up areas constitute only 1.7% of the West Bank. That is less than 40 square miles. Even if you add the unbuilt areas falling with the municipal boundaries of the settlements, the total area is only 152 square miles.

Legalities
Another charge is that settlements are “illegal.” The United States has never adopted this position and legal scholars have noted that a country acting in self-defense may seize and occupy territory when necessary to protect itself. Moreover, the occupying power may require, as a condition for its withdrawal, security measures designed to ensure its citizens are not menaced again from that territory.

According to Eugene Rostow, a former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs in the Johnson Administration, Resolution 242 gives Israel a legal right to be in the West Bank. The resolution “allows Israel to administer the territories” it won in 1967 “until 'a just and lasting peace in the Middle East' is achieved,” Rostow wrote in The New Republic (10/21/91). During the debate on the resolution, he added, “speaker after speaker made it clear that Israel was not to be forced back to the 'fragile' and 'vulnerable' [1949] Armistice Demarcation Lines.”

Obstacles?
Israel's adversaries, and even some friends, assert that settlements are an obstacle to peace. The evidence points to the opposite conclusion. From 1949-67, when Jews were forbidden to live on the West Bank, the Arabs refused to make peace with Israel. From 1967-77, the Labor Party established only a few strategic settlements in the territories, yet the Arabs showed no interest in making peace with Israel. In 1977, months after a Likud government committed to greater settlement activity took power, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat went to Jerusalem. One year later, Israel froze settlements, hoping the gesture would entice other Arabs to join the Camp David peace process. But none would. In another Camp David summit in 2000, Ehud Barak offered to dismantle most settlements and create a Palestinian state in exchange for peace, and Yasser Arafat rejected the plan.

Israel also proved willing to dismantle settlements in the interest of peace. During the Camp David negotiations with Egypt, all of the issues had been resolved, but one remained, Sadat's insistence that all settlements in the Sinai be removed. Begin didn't want to remove them, but he called Ariel Sharon for advice. Sharon said that in the interest of peace, the settlements should be dismantled. Israel did just that in 1982, providing compensation to residents for the loss of their homes, farms and businesses that ranged from $100,000 to $500,000 (Jerusalem Post, January 8, 2004). Nevertheless, a small group of settlers in the town of Yamit refused to leave and Sharon had the army literally drag them out of their homes to comply with the terms of the agreement with Egypt.

In short, the historical record shows that with the exception of Egypt, and Jordan, the Arab states and Palestinians have been intransigent regardless of the scope of settlement activity. One reason is the conviction that time is on their side. References are frequently made in Arabic writings to how long it took to expel the Crusaders and how it might take a similar length of time to do the same to the Zionists.

Settlement activity may be a stimulus to peace because it forces Arabs to question this tenet. “The Palestinians now realize,” said Bethlehem Mayor Elias Freij, a member of the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid talks, “that time is now on the side of Israel, which can build settlements and create facts, and that the only way out of this dilemma is face-to-face negotiations.” Consequently, the Arabs went to Madrid and Washington for peace talks despite continued settlement activity. Similarly, the Palestinians negotiated with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, even though he also allowed the number of settlers to grow.

Rights Versus Wisdom
The implication of many settlement critics is that it would be better for peace if the West Bank were Judenrein. It would certainly be called racist if Jews were barred from living in New York, Paris or London; barring them from living in the West Bank, the cradle of Jewish civilization, would be no less objectionable.

On the other hand, though Jews may have the right to live in the territories, it still might not be to Israel's advantage for them to do so. Settlements create serious security concerns for Israel, requiring the deployment of forces to protect Jews living in communities outside the boundaries of the state and diverting resources that might otherwise be used to prepare the military for possible conflicts with enemy armies. The settlements also have had a budgetary impact as hundreds of millions of dollars are spent each year on infrastructure, incentives, and other material needs for Jews living in these communities. Many Israelis believe that the military and economic cost is not justified and support the removal of some settlements. Those closest to the 1967 border, and especially those surrounding Jerusalem, however, are generally regarded as justified on a variety of grounds and are likely to be incorporated within the ultimate boundary of Israel.

Israelis also increasingly believe the Palestinians may be correct about time being on their side. If Israel were to annex the territories, it would face a dilemma that no official has yet solved, and that is how Israel could remain both a Jewish and democratic state. Though some Jews on the right of the political spectrum hold out hope of a dramatic demographic shift as a result of immigration, most projections foresee an exponential increase in the population of Arabs in Israel and the territories. According to Arnon Soffer, Israel's most prominent demographer, 6,300,000 Jews are expected to live in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza combined while the Palestinian population would be 8,740,000. If these Palestinians all had the right to vote in a "Greater Israel," Israel could not maintain its Jewish character, and if they were denied the right to vote, Israel would no longer be a democracy (Forward, January 9, 2004). This is why no Israeli prime minister, even those believed to support "Greater Israel," was ever prepared to annex the territories, and why most Israelis, including Prime Minister Sharon, have favored trading land for peace and security.

Peace Agreements
When he presented the Interim Agreement (“Oslo 2”) before the Knesset on October 5, 1995, Prime Minister Rabin stated, “I wish to remind you, we made a commitment...to the Knesset not to uproot any settlement in the framework of the Interim Agreement, nor to freeze construction and natural growth.” Neither the Declaration of Principles of September 13, 1993, nor the Interim Agreement contains any provisions prohibiting or restricting the establishment or expansion of Jewish communities in the West Bank or Gaza Strip. While a clause in the accords prohibits changing the status of the territories, it was intended to ensure only that neither side would take unilateral measures to alter the legal status of the areas (such as annexation or declaration of statehood).

According to the road map for peace, Israel is supposed to freeze settlement activity and remove illegal outposts. Israel has been removing illegal outposts, but has not been willing to implement the freeze because the Palestinians have failed to fulfill their commitments to stop the violence.

In August 2005, Israel evacuated all the settlements in the Gaza Strip and four in the West Bank under the disengagement plan initiated by Prime Minister Sharon. This was a dramatic shift in policy by a man considered one of the fathers of the settler movement. Sharon has also said that Israel will not keep all the settlements in the West Bank

Israel gave up all the territory it held in Gaza and evacuated some West Bank settlements without any agreement from the Palestinians, who now have complete authority over their population within Gaza. This offered the Palestinians an opportunity to prove that if Israel made territorial concessions, they would be prepared to coexist with their neighbor and to build a state of their own. Instead of trading land for peace, however, Israel exchanged territory for terror. Hamas came to power in the Palestinian Authority and instead of using the opportunity to build the infrastructure for statehood, the Gaza Strip became a scene of chaos as rival Palestinian factions vied for power. Terrorism from Gaza also continued unabated and Israeli towns have been repeatedly hit by rockets fired from the area Israel evacuated.

 

. (0)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 11:09 am
The Jewish homes in Israel are not an obstacle to peace. The only obstacle to peace is the hatred of Israel's neighbors.

Many of us in other countries in the Middle East see Israel as the only light of freedom and democracy in the midst of darkness, terrorism and hatred in the region.

The concept of real freedom and democracy seems foreign to anti-Semites. From here, it looks as if many of these self-proclaimed liberals have a self-congratulatory concept of what is right and wrong as closed-minded, un-free and un-democratic as that of the most rigid tyrant.

When people show solidarity with the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas, or with those who jail, try or flog people for free speech, it just further proves Israel's rightfulness and legitimacy.

You would defend yourself against incoming rockets; why shouldn't they? Israel has nothing to apologize for.

It is really hard to please the Jew-haters.

When Jews cannot protect themselves because they do not have a military, they are "cowards" and are persecuted in Turkey and worldwide. When they do protect themselves, thanks to their military, they are "oppressors."

To anti-Semitic or anti-Israel people, Israel is the problem.
 

TOM T (247)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 11:11 am
Beyond belief or understanding
 

. (0)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 11:43 am
Evelyn, your knowledge of Tibet and its suffering seems to be non-existent. First of all they were invaded by China in 1949, China has absolutely no right whatsoever to be there. This takeover is one of the most brutal in the world and over 1 million have died with some 100,000 tortured to death and this is comparable to the Muslim atrocities with the Armenians. In no way can this be compared to the Palestinian terror which is being inflicted on Israel nor on Israel's right to defend itself. In fact, Israel is the only country in the world who is condemned for protecting itself from terrorists.

Israel is being used as the whipping boy then China can divert attention away from themselves. And anti-Semites use Israel to hide the atrocities committed by terrorists and other abuses. Yes, there are some issues in Samaria and Judea but if you are actually knowledgeable on the subject then you will see that Israel has the legal right under international law to hold all of what you call the West Bank. However, under the Oslo Accord, there was an agreement to split the land. However, Abbas does not believe that he should accept any kind of peace but that everyone should do what he wants despite the fact than none of his demands should be given unless he and the terrorists agree to accept peace. Abbas has mad it clear that he has no intention of negotiating any kind of peace with Israel and that he wants to destroy it.

The real issue here is that the anti-Semites want the destruction of Israel. Let me point out the difference between Muslims and Israelis. Israel is developing the land. In Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East where the people living there have equal rights, gays and Christians have come to live because they are murdered in the Muslim controlled countries. Israel has produced an incredible amount of scientific and medical research and all of you on this article are using it. Most of you or your families will have used medication, software or equipment to enhance or save your lives. The American military have equipment that saves their lives and weaponry from Israel. California is using their water saving technology. The Muslims have taken credit for things during history but their greatest achievement was the destroy the Library at Alexandria. Some 20% of all scientific and medical Nobel prizes were awarded to Jews and virtually none to a Muslim despite the difference in numbers.

I am surprised that Angelika can still support anything Muslim considering what is happening in Germany now. But then the right wing has great sympathy with Islam, one only has to look at Hitler and Husseini and the Muslim SS brigades. Speaks volumes.
 

. (0)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 11:48 am
Evelyn, the French couldn't hand over any Jew fast enough during WWII and then their was the Vichy government, couldn't wait to serve the Germans!

 

Sam H (410)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 12:41 pm
Had the Palestinians been the occupiers of the Zionists' land, could those Zionists hate them any more than they already do?

You listen to those Zionists and wonder who's occupying the other's land!

They stole the Palestinians' land, stole their history, stole their culture and even stole their cuisine and are now playing the victim! Professional victims through and through!

Those Zionists exceed anti-Semites in their hatred by a mile! They are anti-human!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday January 31, 2016, 11:17 pm
An excerpt from an Israeli Jewish film maker's new documentary (The Settlers) illustrates just how friendly and willing to coexist with non-Jews some settlers are .... NOT all - some are rethinking whether the policies of non-mixing are in fact wise ....
This is far from the only example of a mindset of hate and distrust and superiority of extremist settlers. See for example a BBC documentary from 2012: Louis Theroux: The Ultra Zionists

There are a couple of interesting posts about Shimon Dotan's new film -
"The Settlers" By Shimon Dotan: New Film Reveals History & Consequences of Israeli Settlements on Palestinian Land
Settlers Director Shimon Dotan Q&A Sundance 2016

Gemma - I don't know why you choose to pretend that I dismissed the fact that Tibet is occupied by China, and that this is a wrong. What I SAID was that the comparison made by John isn't valid. Perhaps you are simply trying to reinforce the attempt to deviate attention.

Two wrongs do NOT make one of them any more "right".

Hasbara versions of history are also no more accurate through repetition.
And the technique of trying to encourage guilt (re the French) or anger (Germany) to swing people to support anti-Palestinian & anti-Muslim fear & hate is also a (tired) game.

(But Gemma has no visible profile .... I wonder why?
 

Farah Hage Ali (155)
Monday February 1, 2016, 6:10 am
Noted, thank you for sharing

Israel intends to wipe out the Palestinians' identity and denies their existence as an independent entity. Right Claimants get what they deserve at last, because what is built on falsehood and wrongdoing is definitely false.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday February 4, 2016, 6:00 pm
PETITION - because your zionist poisoned congress critters (Cruz, Rubio and Wyden!) are at it again:

Don't Interfere With Labeling Settlement Goods -
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/congress-dont-interfere?source=c.url&r_by=1135580
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 4, 2016, 11:35 pm
Thanks, Angie - signed & shared

Farah - people rewrite history in order to cover up what they want forgotten .... But anyone who wants to check information can go back to archives ... because internet allows us access to data from before 1948, it allows us to check what WAS the population then ... back over more than half a century .... And there is plenty of proof from that time that Palestinians existed - they weren't outsiders rushing in to try to grab Jewish land ... which is what the Zionist hasbara "teachings" want one to believe! The outsiders trickling in to Palestine over the previous decades were .... Jews from Russia, Europe etc. Not Arabs from other parts of the Middle East. The ARCHIVES show this.

And note how hasbara voices stress conflict between immigrant Jewish communities & established Palestinian communities dating from the 20s & 30's ... but carefully ignore the triggering factors from earlier ....

Using archives, an Israeli film-maker compiled 1913: Seeds of Conflict ..... Food for thought .... although it doesn't suit hasbara rhetoric!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday February 5, 2016, 10:46 pm
For those interested - two links that will ring a bell for anyone who has read through the comments ....
More factual
Don't you dare criticize Israel Don't speak the truth !!!!

In a lighter mode .... although very familiar in reality too!
Jon Stewart Learns What Happens When You Criticize Israel
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday February 24, 2016, 3:30 am
LOL, Ros - yes, she does clearly say that (and the tone of comments shares the same emotional tone of hatred)! *************************************************
But I suspect she didn't mean it to be read quite that way!
 
Or, log in with your
Facebook account:
Please add your comment: (plain text only please. Allowable HTML: <a>)


Track Comments: Notify me with a personal message when other people comment on this story


Loading Noted By...Please Wait

 


butterfly credits on the news network

  • credits for vetting a newly submitted story
  • credits for vetting any other story
  • credits for leaving a comment
learn more

Most Active Today in World





 
Content and comments expressed here are the opinions of Care2 users and not necessarily that of Care2.com or its affiliates.

New to Care2? Start Here.