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THAT'S HOW ZIONISTS TREAT JEWISH CHILDREN!


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Sam
- 960 days ago - miamiherald.com
At 84 years old, Yona Yosef is full of life. Her eyes sparkle as she talks about her nine children and many grandchildren. But ask her what happened 67 years ago, when she and her family arrived in Israel from Yemen, and her eyes fill with tears.



   

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Sam H (410)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 2:38 pm
Zionists’ Values!
 

Kathleen M (210)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 2:39 pm
Pretty shocking! Thx for sharing, Sam. Good to "see" you again!
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 2:40 pm
"According to some theories, the children were handed to childless couples, possibly Holocaust survivors who could not conceive. Others think the babies may have been shipped to Jewish families in the United States."
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 3:56 pm
Noted
TY Sam
 

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 4:21 pm
Noted
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 4:23 pm
My godness, bringing hat criminal entity to yet a new low! State organised human trafficking-seems there's nothing too low for the zionists!
Only at the children's request will there be investigated, go figure why! Not only hiding the facts and keeping the abhorrent events state secret for more than half a century, but not even now are they willing to admit their crimes to the desparate parents and families still in the dark! I have a horrible gut feeling it may be better they never learn the full horrific truth...
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 4:39 pm
Seems the follow up 'program' then were those forced sterilisations of Ethiopian immigrants some years ago..if they even stopped at all.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 5:27 pm
OMG
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 7:02 pm
Abominable! Thanks Sam
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 7:08 pm
Seems around the world this was a practice, they are referred to in the USA as "Lost Birds" children taken from American Indian families. Given or sold to childless couples and like this article said, perhaps some felt they were giving the children a better life - however when you just "take" a child, the ones who "took" had to know that it was wrong. Perhaps those receiving the children were told they were given up freely.

I've also read that this took place in Australia as well to their indigenous population, people would show up and just take the children never to be seen again. So this doesn't surprise me, I just had not heard of read of it happening there as well. Man's inhumanity to others is profoundly cruel and sickening.
 

fly b (26)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 8:16 pm
so right, Dandelion.

" man to man, is so unjust.. you don't know, who to trust.."
Bob Marley
Thank you, Sam for sharing the article.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 8:58 pm
Dandelion - ***********************************************************
I was thinking exactly the same thing - about both the US & Australia. (Ros has mentioned this quite often)

I hadn't realised that Mizrahi Jews had been put through the same suffering.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Saturday August 6, 2016, 8:59 pm
❤️:-(())❤️Noted❤️
❤️Thanking you kindly for sharing this information❤️
💕💛ღ❤️Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ💕♥L💜ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all♥💕Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ❤️ღ💛💕
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 12:30 am
Shared to spread awareness.

Deeply disturbing practices of some of humankind.
 

Animae C (508)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 2:35 am
That's our STOLEN GENERATION in Australia.
 

Freya H (345)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 7:23 am
The "Jew Card" is no longer playable. Jews howl about the atrocities and persecution inflicted on them, and I am truly sorry about all that; however, they cannot use it as an excuse to carry out those very same abominations. Israel is the pot calling the kettle black.
 

divergent r (309)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 8:41 am
Hurt people hurt people
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 12:23 pm
Yep, as D.r, says: 'first, do some harm!' the right-wingers' slogan, always.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 12:26 pm
Freya hits the key point. Most of us have heard before about this happening elsewhere, yet, done by jews to jews is still a different category!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 12:50 pm
What does Clinton have to do with this story?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 1:02 pm
Sam - a fair question, but sometimes not worth asking, only encourages an unhelpful tangent!!!!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 1:16 pm
Nyack, I've known you for a brief time., and in spite of everything I still thought you were one heck of a lady. But I've never seen you act the way you're acing here. Now how can I differentiate your behavior from that of those fanatic Zionists's who come here to disrupt and distract from a conversation that exposes their wicked ways?
 

divergent r (309)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 1:28 pm
you misunderstood me completely
Hurt people (those who have been hurt by others)
hurt people (a learned response creating a VICIOUS CYCLE OF PEOPLE HURTING OTHER PEOPLE!!
we need UNITY NOT MORE DUALITY!!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 1:51 pm
Nyack - nobody is assassinating your character.
I'm not sure why you have these spells when you have to try to insult & hit out all around you in discussion threads that you claim don't even interest you - & why you bring in related topics into threads that are NOT related to the US current election candidates..

I wonder why you think my reply to Sam's question was an ATTACK ? Let alone an attack on YOU? Could it be because you intended your comments to be taken as attacks on others commenting?

I think this thread merits discussion without being taken off on tangents - (Including about why you took comments as personal attacks)
There's a lost generation, children of Mizrahi Jewish families who suffered loss - similar to lost generations of First Peoples in Australia & Native Americans.
This is little known; these families' suffering merits recognition.

Angie's comment picked up from a valid comment - hurt people DO tend to hurt other people .. but I didn't see how it helped the discussion - and as several groups now considered extreme right wing were once viewed as extreme left (e.g. National Socialists), I didn't follow the "right wing" logic there, nor do I understand the " D.r," reference. I am not convinced that considering themselves superior is restricted to right wingers ... However, any questions on what was meant by the comment would only distract WITHIN THIS THREAD from something which I think is very sad & very important. I can always follow up with direct questions by pm if I want to understand more about what she meant.

So - let's get back to the topic of shattered families
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 1:54 pm
I just saw your reply, Divergent Revolution ... and that was exactly how I'd understood your earlier comment! Very true.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 3:30 pm
A 70 year old story with "according to some theories" i.e. the full facts aren't known ...

I dare say it happened though, after all the same thing has happened all over the world - and is still happening. Commonplace in Ireland for example even to recent times.

A serious subject - which deserves better than being used as another 'Jew-bashing' propaganda thread.

 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 3:40 pm
That's exactly right! And it does deserve better and that's why the thread is ZIONIST-"bashing"! Quite a difference!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 3:50 pm
Really? It's just a weasel way of trying to avoid being accused of promoting racial hatred.
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 4:00 pm
It was only a matter of time before another Zionist showed up and “dared say” that the Zionist did it after others did it.

How can a human being after reading about such horrors still try to defend the perpetrating party?

Maybe he thinks we should limit ourselves to discussing crimes invented and executed by Zionists themselves.

I wonder if he thinks that plageizing crime is also a crime!
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 4:02 pm
The "weasel way" is trying to defend these horrible crimes simply because the were committed by Zionists against Jewish children!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 4:15 pm
So you're back then? For a glorious moment I thought you might have finally seen the light and discontinued your 'campaign' ...

Similar, far worse and far more recent crimes are being committed to this day. Yet your only contribution is one from 70 years ago, that just happens to involve Jews.

If your motive is not 'weasel' then I and I'm sure others look forward to you starting numerous other threads concerning other countries and more recent cases, that could still be acted on ...
 

Sam H (410)
Sunday August 7, 2016, 4:25 pm
There is nothing more anti-Semetic than what these Zionists suggest.

They want us to forget the crimes commited 70 years ago because they were commited by Zionists.

If we use this same Zionist-approved moral criterion, the Holocaust will be wiped out of our memory because it took place over 70 years ago!

What could be more anti-Semetic than that?

But doing so, would undermine the “industry” Finkelstein speaks of!

Their shameful immorality is only buttresed by their shameful, selective "morality"!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 8, 2016, 12:58 am
Fascinating!
An article by an Israeli author, posted in a paper in Miami (a location with a large Jewish population), about Israeli treatment of Mizrahi Jewish families ... is anti-Semitic?

This is a perfect example of the kind of denial among pro-Zionists that other Israeli Jews are pointing out as being dangerous for Israel!!!

And, of course, the attack calling it anti-Semitic comes without reading carefully the article & the discussion!

It has been said here that such strategies causing "lost generations" are unacceptable in the US, in Australia, AND in Israel.

Are we to understand that the Native Americans & the First People should stop trying to get recognition of the suffering caused by such practices because decades have gone by????
Or is it fair enough that they have the right to struggle for recognition of the human rights abuses implicit in such practices, in defence of surviving family members and of surviving victims of such forced separation who are STILL suffering the pain of this?

70 years is not long. There are members of these Mizrahi families who are still alive, & still mourn their lost children & the decades where they've not lived alongside their missing family members.
Are we to understand that because they are Jews AND the perpetrators of the policy were also (Zionist) Jews, they lose such rights to seek the truth, try to find their relatives?

Isn't there some inconsistency when one dismisses something because 7 DECADES have passed - because the perpetrators acted under the policies of a political movement which claims a land after 19 CENTURIES have passed???
 

Sam H (410)
Monday August 8, 2016, 1:24 am
The guy is grasping st straws, Evelyn! That goes to show how precarious his “moral” position is!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 8, 2016, 2:29 am
Sam, John's "moral" position on Israel is "DON'T CRITICISE" ... deny, attack any form of criticism with insults & labels that should shut any critics up. For him, criticism of Zionist politics is "immoral", however true & valid - it has to be labelled "anti-Semitic", because otherwise one might have to move out of the comfort zone accorded by denial!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 8, 2016, 6:45 am
No new threads I see, Sam. Just as I thought.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 8, 2016, 8:02 am
Evelyn:
Why is it that certain people only post anti-Jewish threads?
Why is it that certain people only post in anti-Jewish threads?
Every time a Jew-bashing thread pops up 'you' can be sure the same old faces are going to show up.

It is the promotion of racial hatred that I am opposing. If your friend(s) here were posting anti-Buddhist threads or whatever I'd still be opposing them.
And your own participation in this huge catalogue of Jew-bashing threads is hardly glorious either.

Desperate, childless affluent Westerners, [now the Chinese middle classes have also entered the picture] have spawned an industry in surrogacy and under the radar adoptions, which often involve baby 'stealing'.
As I said earlier it has been going on for decades, all over the world. Corrupt health officials, corrupt government officials, the Catholic Church/religious organisations, criminal organisations ... all have been (and are) involved in the sickening trade.

And no-one is denying the pain of the mothers, no matter their nationality - nor the pain of the childless.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday August 8, 2016, 8:03 am
So, at least two guys who, adult in years, who cling to their own subjective narrative and attitude.

And, you wonder why humankind never moves on. . .
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 8, 2016, 8:23 am
Which tells us what Darren?
I'll tell you what it SHOULD tell us: It's way over time that one side moves toward the other, and that has to be the OBJECTIVE side. (not "attitude" nor Narrative" but the FACTS) And those facts are beyond dispute.
The issue is that both sides each have HUGE numbers of followers trying to compel the opposite side of what they perceive as truth, when there's only one truth, supported by too many historians to be dismissed.
One side is doing that 'persuasion' by using lies, twists, omission and other unethical tactics, while the other is not.
The awkward illogicality about it: both claim the very best and well meaning for the state of Israel.
But only ONE side claims the same for the land of Palestine. THAT IS where to find the actual truth telling you who's sincere here and who is not.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 8, 2016, 8:29 am
Darren: Not sure I get that one. Racial hatred and persecution is what it is. And it always leads to the same thing - violence and bloodshed.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 8, 2016, 8:49 am
Angelika: I think you need a history lesson!

The Jews were inhabiting the Holy Land thousands of years before Christ, even longer than that prior to the advent of Islam.

Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in Jewish scripture and not at all in the Koran.

Whilst the Romans scattered to the wind many Jews after the failed Jewish rebellion, many Jews remained and have been living continuously in the Holy Land for all that time. Jews helped defend Jerusalem against the Crusaders for example.

Those Jews who, in the early 20th century, emigrated to the Holy Land/Palestinian Protectorate to escape the violent pogroms of Tsarist Russia, and later the Nazis and other fascist elements, arrived with nothing but bought huge areas of land happily and legally sold to them - at greatly inflated prices - by Arab landowners. Deed and title. Knowing full well they would be establishing Jewish communities on the land.

Had the Arabs under the instigation of the Grand Mufti not sworn to annihilate all Jews there could have been a united Palestine in 1947.

Had the Arabs not launched a genocidal war against Israel, and lost, there would have been and still be a Palestinian state.
Whilst the Israelis took some Palestinian land as 'war trophy' - as happens in virtually every war - their Arab brothers Jordan and Egypt illegally annexed West Bank and Gaza Province (from the Palestinians) and that is why the newly-UN appointed Palestine disappeared from the map.

A two nation solution, with investment to create economic prosperity to hold the peace, is the only answer.
But both sides have a just claim and right to exist.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 8, 2016, 9:18 am
The term "Palestinian" is not interchangeable with Muslim - so why take Muslim history as a base of comparison?

The Hebrews were not the first indigenous people of this land. There were others - long before Abraham left Ur of the Chaldees.
The descendants of the original people intermarried with others - probably including Israelites, despite the "exclusiveness" of Hebrew tradition, but also between the Canaanites & other invaders passing through over the millennia ...
And Palestinians have links back to these early people - possibly more so than the Ashkenazi Jews who converted to Judaism with no blood ties back to the land.

Denial of their right to be in the lands of their ancestors is usually based on inaccurate understanding of history - an inaccurate understanding promoted by Zionist political thinking & hasbara (which has "rewritten" history to enable denial).
 

Sam H (410)
Monday August 8, 2016, 12:02 pm
Darren,

I’m not sure what two sides you’re talking about! If you see the Zionists kidnapping Jewish children and keep quiet, then you’re partitcipating in the crime. Kidnapping Jewish children is not only anti-Semetic, but anti-human as well—a hallmark of all Zionists’ crimes!.

And it wasn’t enough that the Zionists committed those crimes. Now they are trying to justify them and keep them under wraps either because the “Chinese did it” or because they happened 70 years ago! What an epic load of malarkey!

Maybe those justifying such crimes and defending those criminals can tell us when exactly did the Zionists stopped kidnapping Jewish children, if they ever did!

Maybe, Darren, you think you can achieve peace by acquiescing to the demands of the criminals and adapting their narrative! But when it comes to child abuse, there are no two sides to the story! There’s only the child’s side!
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 8, 2016, 12:56 pm
Here's an example in contrast-sorry off-topic but still great news!
What the DNC platform didn't get done, CandianGreens did!:

Independent Jewish Voices congratulates the Green Party of Canada on the passage of its historic Palestinian rights resolutions

http://ijvcanada.org/2016/independent-jewish-voices-congratulates-the-green-party-of-canada-on-the-passage-of-its-historic-palestinian-rights-resolutions/

“One day the Palestinian people will have a just peace. Those who fail to stand for Palestinian rights will be judged harshly. Let us not be judged harshly.” – Dimitri Lascaris, Green Party Justice Critic (who submitted BDS resolution)
 

Janet B (0)
Monday August 8, 2016, 1:00 pm
Thanks
 

Peggy B (43)
Monday August 8, 2016, 1:11 pm
The same thing happened in the UK and Australia in the 40's and 50's.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 8, 2016, 1:12 pm
On Sunday, the Greens passed a resolution endorsing the non-violent tactic of Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS). The BDS movement began in 2005 when a broad coalition of Palestinian civil society organizations called on international activists, governments, and institutions to apply pressure on the Israeli government to comply with international law and respect Palestinians’ rights.

At the convention, the Greens also passed an historic resolution in support of revoking the charitable status of the Jewish National Fund of Canada (JNF Canada), an organization whose flagship project, “Canada Park”, is situated over the ruins of ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages within the occupied West Bank.


Thin HOW LONG we've been fighting and signing petitions for BOTH issues-no ZERO avail ..in the US !
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 8, 2016, 1:15 pm
Typos: *Think*..and "TO zero avail"
 

Knud Thirup (53)
Monday August 8, 2016, 1:49 pm
notes/shared
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Monday August 8, 2016, 2:57 pm
Well, Sam, of course shocking but no less so than how Australians treated the Aborigines or the Canddian government treated First nations children who were forcibly separated from their parents also for many decades

. Sam, tHis is a good piece, but the title is inappropriate and applies a different standard than for other abusers.

You have to wonder why this (altered) article title was used to distinguish only Israeli abusers-can you think of a reason for this double standard, Sam? As a Zionist I can assure you that I do not approve nor do i treat children that way--what you have done is insulting and ridiculous.


 

John De Avalon (36)
Monday August 8, 2016, 3:37 pm
Evelyn: What we know as 'Palestinians', as late as the WW1 era and later, considered themselves to be Syrians.
Lloyd George stirred not just Jewish nationalism, but inadvertently spawned Palestinian nationalism too.

What's your point? The Jews have infinitely more justification - historically, culturally and spirituality, not to mention thousands of years of continuous inhabitation - to be in the Holy Land than whites have to be in America, or Australia, or New Zealand et al.

I see your other point, though it's flawed. The animist nomads who may, genetically at least, have had a claim to pre-date the Jews were annihilated by the Muslims - who viewed their ways as devil worship - so no longer exist to 'claim' anything.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday August 8, 2016, 4:24 pm
I think if anyone is altering the subject matter, it’s you, Cal and John, of course!

The article is about how Zionists stole Jewish children. It’s not about the abuses suffered by others. That is in NO way meant to diminish the extent of the crimes commited against the Aborigines, First nations and others. You’re welcome to draw parallels to expose all these horror stories.

But it’s mindboggling to see Zionists coming here to justify such a “practice” because “others also did it” and try to talk us into forgetting all these crimes because they happened over 70 years ago.

Nothing can be more aniti-Semetic than suggesting to us that we have to forget about crimes commited over 70 years ago. I’m sure you don’t need me to remind you why!

The title is reflective of the subtance of the story. What exactly is not true in the title.?

Are you saying the Zionists did not steal Jewish children? The answer can be either YES or NO.
Whether you mean to or not, your argument does not add anything to the conversation other than to justify those horrible crimes and to underline your objection to exposing the criminals who committed them!

That was something I really didn’t expect from you, Cal!
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 8, 2016, 5:00 pm
I don't know enough about those cases in Australia and Canada. But, I think to really assess if this case here is "no less" despicable or perhaps more so than those other ones, we need to know more and compare. Perhaps someone in the know can say if in OZ and Canada the state also refused responsibility and covered up the crimes for 70 yrs .
And if there, as here, only on the childrens' request can there be an investigation into the files with a DNA database help, not the other way round as parents with missing children are obviously not permitted.

Only when we know all this can we judge if this is distinguishing Zionist criminals or not, or, if perhaps even rightly so.
This just as another thought to add here, aside from the fact that the headline IS reflecting what the article is about..
 

Lenore K (0)
Monday August 8, 2016, 5:05 pm
ty
 

fly b (26)
Monday August 8, 2016, 6:04 pm
Trying to 'compare' different situations, does not, in shape or form, alter the facts, in this article. There will always be 'comparisons', etc. However, often, that is what is used to minimize, dismiss, delegitimize, etc. valid, necessary criticism.

Nor does iot justify anything.

What this is about - and it is about Zionists - ought to be what the focus, here, is about.

Since the message box is acting up, that is all I have to say, except, don't shoot the messenger!!
Thank you, Sam.
 

fly b (26)
Monday August 8, 2016, 8:15 pm
The shocking story of Israel’s disappeared babies 5 August 2016

New information has come to light about thousands of mostly Yemeni children believed to have been abducted in the 1950s Al-Jazeera – 5 August 2016

For nearly 40 years, everything about Gil Grunbaum’s life was a lie, including his name.

He was not, as he had always assumed, the only son of wealthy Holocaust survivors who owned a baby garments factory near Tel Aviv. Grunbaum had been stolen from his mother by doctors at a hospital in northern Israel in 1956, moments after she gave birth.

His biological parents – recent immigrants to Israel from Tunisia – were told their child had died during delivery. They were sent home without a death certificate and denied the chance to see their baby’s body or a grave.

Despite his darker looks, it never occurred to Grunbaum that the parents who raised him were not biologically related to him. Now aged 60, he says the discovery was “the most shocking moment imaginable. Everyone I loved – my parents, aunts, uncles and cousins – had been deceiving me for decades.”

And so had government officials.

“Even when I discovered by chance that I was adopted, the welfare services did everything they could to try to stop me finding my biological family,” Grunbaum told Al Jazeera. “No one wanted me to know the truth.”

After a three-year search in the late 1990s, he finally learned his family’s name – Maimon – and tracked down his birth mother to the suburbs of Haifa in northern Israel. Some 41 years after they were separated, the two met for the first time, in an emotional reunion.

Despite his darker looks, it never occurred to Grunbaum that the parents who raised him were not biologically related to him [Courtesy of Gil Grunbaum]

Grunbaum’s story would be deeply disturbing if it was unique. But growing evidence suggests that there could be thousands of other children who were abducted in Israel’s first decade.

Last weekend, Tzachi Hanegbi, a government minister tasked with studying the disappearances, conceded that at least “hundreds” of children had been taken without their parents’ consent. It is the first time a government official has ever made such a public admission.

After weeks of re-examining evidence presented to a commission of inquiry in the late 1990s, Hanegbi told Israeli TV: “They took the children and gave them away. I don’t know where.”

The Kedmi inquiry, which had issued its findings in 2001, found that as many as 5,000 children may have disappeared in the state’s first six years alone, although it examined only 1,000 of those cases. Jacob Kedmi, a former Supreme Court judge who died last month, concluded that in most cases, the children had died and been hurriedly buried.

Hanegbi’s admission appears to confirm allegations long made by the families – and supported by scholars and journalists – that the inquiry was little more than a whitewash by the Israeli establishment. Kedmi placed the hundreds of thousands of documents relating to testimonies and evidence under lock for 70 years. They will not be made publicly available until 2071.

The first consequence is likely to be mounting pressure on the government to open the state’s adoption files so that the true extent of the disappearances can be gauged and families reunited.

But Hanegbi’s otherwise evasive comments will do little to end suspicions that officials are still actively trying to avoid confronting the most contentious questions: Why were the infants taken from their families? Did hospitals and welfare organisations traffic children in Israel’s early years? And were state bodies complicit in the mass abductions?

When asked by Israeli TV programme Meet the Press whether government officials were involved, Hanegbi would say only: “We may never know.”

Crime against parents

His reluctance to be more forthcoming may be understandable. Shoshana Madmoni-Gerber, an Israel academic who has written a book on the disappearances titled Israeli Media and the Framing of Internal Conflict: The Yemenite Babies Affair, noted that the “forcible transfer” of children from one ethnic group to another satisfied the United Nations definition of “genocide”. The 1951 convention includes the crime of “complicity”.

“Ultimately, I don’t think it matters whether government officials actively planned what happened or they simply looked the other way while others carried out the kidnappings,” she told Al Jazeera. “Either way, this was a crime perpetrated against thousands of parents who still don’t know the truth about their children’s fate.”

Almost all of the missing children were from Jewish families that had arrived from Arab countries shortly after Israel’s creation during the Nakba of 1948, when hundreds of thousands of native Palestinians were expelled from their homes.

The mystery has been dubbed the Yemenite Children Affair, because most of the children who disappeared were from Yemen. But there were also significant numbers from Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia and the Balkans.

No birth certificate

Grunbaum learned of his own place in this scandalous affair in 1994, the year before the Kedmi inquiry was launched. His wife had become suspicious that there were no photos of his birth or a birth certificate, and that he was much darker than his parents.

When she phoned state childcare services, a clerk broke Israel’s strict privacy laws by mistakenly revealing to her that Grunbaum had indeed been adopted. The couple was then hastily called to a meeting at the Tel Aviv office, where they were briefly allowed to view two pages from his file. No details of his biological family were provided.

“Even in my confused state, I could see there was something fishy. There was no signature on the adoption papers, either from my biological mother or from a judge,” Grunbaum said.

“I was in a state of shock for a long time afterwards. I stared at the TV all day long for four months, running my life through my head, looking for the clues I should have seen. I resigned from my job. I couldn’t concentrate on anything else.”

Although childcare services had details of his biological family, they refused to help. It took three years of intensive searching – initiated by the recollections of neighbours of his parents at the time of his adoption – before he was sure he had identified the family.

“I went straight to the head of child services and told her their surname. I asked her if I was right – I didn’t need a reply,” Grunbaum said, noting the colour drained from the woman’s face as she realised he had found his biological family.

Grunbaum found himself living a double life, visiting his biological family while hiding the truth from his adoptive parents [Oren Ziv/Al Jazeera]

Grunbaum’s story would be deeply disturbing if it was unique. But growing evidence suggests that there could be thousands of other children who were abducted in Israel’s first decade.

Last weekend, Tzachi Hanegbi, a government minister tasked with studying the disappearances, conceded that at least “hundreds” of children had been taken without their parents’ consent. It is the first time a government official has ever made such a public admission.

After weeks of re-examining evidence presented to a commission of inquiry in the late 1990s, Hanegbi told Israeli TV: “They took the children and gave them away. I don’t know where.”

The Kedmi inquiry, which had issued its findings in 2001, found that as many as 5,000 children may have disappeared in the state’s first six years alone, although it examined only 1,000 of those cases. Jacob Kedmi, a former Supreme Court judge who died last month, concluded that in most cases, the children had died and been hurriedly buried.

Hanegbi’s admission appears to confirm allegations long made by the families – and supported by scholars and journalists – that the inquiry was little more than a whitewash by the Israeli establishment. Kedmi placed the hundreds of thousands of documents relating to testimonies and evidence under lock for 70 years. They will not be made publicly available until 2071.

The first consequence is likely to be mounting pressure on the government to open the state’s adoption files so that the true extent of the disappearances can be gauged and families reunited.

But Hanegbi’s otherwise evasive comments will do little to end suspicions that officials are still actively trying to avoid confronting the most contentious questions: Why were the infants taken from their families? Did hospitals and welfare organisations traffic children in Israel’s early years? And were state bodies complicit in the mass abductions?

When asked by Israeli TV programme Meet the Press whether government officials were involved, Hanegbi would say only: “We may never know.”


Crime against parents

His reluctance to be more forthcoming may be understandable. Shoshana Madmoni-Gerber, an Israel academic who has written a book on the disappearances titled Israeli Media and the Framing of Internal Conflict: The Yemenite Babies Affair, noted that the “forcible transfer” of children from one ethnic group to another satisfied the United Nations definition of “genocide”. The 1951 convention includes the crime of “complicity”.

“Ultimately, I don’t think it matters whether government officials actively planned what happened or they simply looked the other way while others carried out the kidnappings,” she told Al Jazeera. “Either way, this was a crime perpetrated against thousands of parents who still don’t know the truth about their children’s fate.”

Almost all of the missing children were from Jewish families that had arrived from Arab countries shortly after Israel’s creation during the Nakba of 1948, when hundreds of thousands of native Palestinians were expelled from their homes.

The mystery has been dubbed the Yemenite Children Affair, because most of the children who disappeared were from Yemen. But there were also significant numbers from Iraq, Morocco, Tunisia and the Balkans.


No birth certificate

Grunbaum learned of his own place in this scandalous affair in 1994, the year before the Kedmi inquiry was launched. His wife had become suspicious that there were no photos of his birth or a birth certificate, and that he was much darker than his parents.

When she phoned state childcare services, a clerk broke Israel’s strict privacy laws by mistakenly revealing to her that Grunbaum had indeed been adopted. The couple was then hastily called to a meeting at the Tel Aviv office, where they were briefly allowed to view two pages from his file. No details of his biological family were provided.

“Even in my confused state, I could see there was something fishy. There was no signature on the adoption papers, either from my biological mother or from a judge,” Grunbaum said.

“I was in a state of shock for a long time afterwards. I stared at the TV all day long for four months, running my life through my head, looking for the clues I should have seen. I resigned from my job. I couldn’t concentrate on anything else.”

Although childcare services had details of his biological family, they refused to help. It took three years of intensive searching – initiated by the recollections of neighbours of his parents at the time of his adoption – before he was sure he had identified the family.

“I went straight to the head of child services and told her their surname. I asked her if I was right – I didn’t need a reply,” Grunbaum said, noting the colour drained from the woman’s face as she realised he had found his biological family.

Grunbaum found himself living a double life, visiting his biological family while hiding the truth from his adoptive parents [Oren Ziv/Al Jazeera]

Grunbaum’s biological father had died a few years earlier, but he met his biological mother in a supervised visit in Haifa. It had taken her a month to recover sufficiently from hearing the news that her son was alive to agree to a meeting.

“She hugged me and we cried. I gave her an album of photos of my three children. She said with surprise, ‘I have a blond grandson!'”

Grunbaum then started a double life, visiting his biological mother and his five siblings while hiding the truth from his adoptive parents until their deaths a few years later. “I was afraid to confront them. They were elderly and in poor health. I think it would have destroyed them to realise I knew the truth.”

The irregularities in the adoption papers indicate that his parents were likely to have known their adopted child was procured without the biological mother’s consent. Grunbaum admits he was filled with confusion and anger at his parents for a long time. Shortly after he found out about the circumstances of his adoption, his parents celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary.

“They asked me to make a speech at the party, but I couldn’t. I was too frightened of what might come out of my mouth,” he said.

Israel’s darkest secret


Pressure on the Israeli government to provide answers in cases like Grunbaum’s has intensified in recent years, as social media has helped the affected families to understand how widespread the disappearances were.

In late June, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded by announcing a fresh examination of the evidence. In a video posted to his Facebook page, he promised to get to the bottom of the affair: “The subject of the Yemenite children is an open wound that continues to bleed for many families who don’t know what happened to the infants, to the children who disappeared.”

He appointed Hanegbi to re-examine the documents from three previous inquiries.

Yael Tzadok, an Israeli journalist who has spent 20 years investigating cases of children who disappeared, told Al Jazeera: “This is Israel’s darkest secret. Jews kidnapped other Jews, Jews who were coming to a state that had been created as a refuge in the immediate wake of the Holocaust. Bringing the truth into the daylight risks causing an earthquake.”

The families and their supporters believe the majority of the children are still alive, but only a minuscule number, like Grunbaum, know that they were stolen from their parents.

Even among those few, said Madmoni-Gerber, most are reluctant to go public, fearing that the truth will tear apart their families, who may have conspired in their abduction.

Prejudice against


Yemenis Israeli Jews who originate from Arab countries are known in Israel as Mizrahim, in contrast to those of European heritage, who are called Ashkenazim. Tzadok said the evidence suggested that most of the missing children – from Mizrahi families – were taken by hospital staff and sold or given away to European Jews, both in Israel and abroad.

“The evidence from that time, the 1950s, clearly shows government officials, judges, lawmakers and hospital staff speaking openly about the fact that the children were being abducted. The public may not have known, but the authorities certainly did,”

Tzadok said. Tzadok, who is active with Achim Vekayamim, a forum for the families of missing children, said deep prejudices among European Jews against the Mizrahim – and especially the Yemenites – had made the kidnappings possible.

“Mizrahi parents were seen as bad, primitive people who were a lost cause. The dominant view then was that, by placing the children with Ashkenazi families, they could be saved – unlike their parents. They would be re-educated and made into suitable material for the new Zionist state,” Tzadok said.

“The hospital staff and officials probably didn’t think they were doing something wrong. They thought it was their patriotic duty.”

Retarded or primitive?


Racism among European Jews towards Jews from Arab countries reached the very top of the government. Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, described the Mizrahim as “rabble” and a “generation of the desert”, concluding that they lacked “a trace of Jewish or human education”.

In the early 1950s, he warned: “We do not want the Israelis to become Arabs. It is incumbent upon us to struggle against the spirit of the Levant, which corrupts individuals and societies.”

Recently unearthed documents also show vigorous debates within the Israeli army in the early 1950s about whether Mizrahi conscripts were mentally retarded, making them a hopeless cause, or simply primitive, a condition that could be changed.

In his book The Idea of Israel, historian Ilan Pappe observed that Israel’s Ashkenazi elite worked strenuously at “de-Arabising … Jews upon arrival” in Israel.

The establishment’s open disdain for the Mizrahim eventually led to political backlash, noted Pappe. In the late 1970s, after decades in opposition, the right-wing Likud party won power from Ben Gurion’s Labour party. Today, Likud is led by Netanyahu.

Trauma of Holocaust victims


Grunbaum said Israel’s European elite were also sympathetic to the plight of Holocaust survivors, like his adoptive parents, who had lost most or all of their family and struggled to have children of their own.

“My father had been in Auschwitz and my mother in Dachau. The survivors suffered from psychological and physical traumas that meant it was difficult or impossible for them to have children,” he said. “The view at that time was that the Yemenites had large families and could afford to lose one or two.”

The Kedmi inquiry heard such views expressed by medical staff who worked in hospitals suspected of abducting children. Sonia Milshtein, a former senior nurse, testified that Yemenite parents “were not interested in their children” and that they should have been happy that their “child got a good education”.

Sarah Pearl, head nurse at the Women’s International Zionist Organisation (WIZO), a charity that ran care homes from which children are alleged to have disappeared, told Israeli media that when she asked why the children’s parents never visited, she was told by the head administrator that they “have lots of kids, and lots of problems, so they don’t want their children”.

Yemenite Jews are shown en route from Aden to Israel during Operation Magic Carpet, circa 1950 [File photo]

Like many of those who have been campaigning for greater transparency, Madmoni-Gerber, an Israeli professor of communications now based in the United States, said her own family had been scarred by the Yemenite Children Affair.

Her father and aunt were among 50,000 Yemenite Jews airlifted to Israel in 1949 and 1950 in a series of secret US and British flights known as Operation Magic Carpet. Like many other Mizrahim, they were temporarily sheltered in one of dozens of “absorption camps” across Israel.

Madmoni-Gerber’s aunt gave birth in an Israeli hospital in 1949. “When it was time to go home, staff on the delivery ward asked her to leave her baby behind with them. She refused. When she arrived back at the camp, the child was snatched [by staff] out of her hands. She never saw her baby again.”

Hanegbi’s admission is certain to rock an Ashkenazi establishment that has long been in denial about the Yemenite Children Affair.

For instance, Yaron London, one of Israel’s best-known commentators, has called suggestions of kidnappings a “conspiracy theory”.

And Dov Levitan, a professor at Bar Ilan University, near Tel Aviv, who is a leading expert on Yemenite immigration to Israel, recently stated: “I can’t put even one finger on a case in which I can say that there was an act of abduction or a criminal act.”

Conspiracy of silence


Shlomi Hatuka, a 38-year-old Yemenite poet and teacher who three years ago helped found Amram, an organisation campaigning on behalf of the families, said that continuing racism towards the Mizrahim had made possible a “conspiracy of silence” lasting more than six decades.

His activism began after his grandmother revealed to him 22 years ago that she had been asked by a nurse in the early 1950s to give up for adoption one of the twins she had just given birth to.

“The nurse said, ‘You have lots of children, why not let us take one of them?'” Hatuka told Al Jazeera. “My grandmother refused. A couple of days later, the nurse told her her baby girl had died. She did not receive a death certificate and was not shown a grave.

“My mother told me my grandmother talked about her kidnapped child until the day she died,” he added. “She never got over it. At the time, none of us could really grasp what had happened to [the baby]. It was just too strange. It was impossible to believe.”

‘We have used social media and new technology to help bring more attention to the kidnappings,’ said Shlomi Hatuka [Jonathan Cook/Al Jazeera]

Hatuka said the official re-examination of the files had been prompted by growing pressure from the Mizrahi community: “We are the third generation, and we are better able to organise. We have used social media and new technology to help bring more attention to the kidnappings.”

Amram is demanding that the Israeli authorities open up adoption papers so that the children who were abducted can try to find their parents. “If Netanyahu really wants to help clarify what happened, this would be the easiest and quickest way to do it,” Hatuka said.

Currently, a 1960 Adoption Law makes it a criminal offence for an adopted child or their adoptive parents to publicly reveal that an adoption took place. Officials have claimed the restriction is needed to protect privacy, but there is mounting pressure to scrap it.

Amram has also established a database of missing children on its website. Hundreds more families have come forward with information of children who disappeared, including cases that have never been investigated. Hatuka believes that the total number of children who are missing could be as high as 8,000.
 

Sam H (410)
Monday August 8, 2016, 10:44 pm
Thanks Jess! That was very informative!
 

Colleen L (3)
Monday August 8, 2016, 11:56 pm
Thanks Sam
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 10:20 am
Well, Sam -
it seems like this is another case where your "tweaking" the subject line has provided the opportunity for the pro-Zionists to take offense - and use the "title" as a means of distracting from the content!

I don't see ANYONE denying that such behaviour HAS occurred elsewhere ... indeed, this has been raised in the serious discussion before the pro-Zionists leapt in to take offense over the fact that one DARES to discuss the fact that such a politically endorsed strategy was applied within the State of Israel!

And that people like Cal genuinely feel upset by the wording of the title is undeniable. I'm less convinced that all who have used the hasbara style "deviate attention" are as genuinely upset. And I'd be surprised in Stephen doesn't join the "offended" line, since it fits the axe he has to grind with you, Sam!

The suffering of the families (parents & children) when state-enforced policies lead to "Lost Generations" merits recognition wherever this has occurred. Indeed, there have been a number of articles posted about the sad realities of this in Australia. And articles about the practice with the children of Native Americans.

In neither context has anyone felt the need to defend the British, the Australian or the American authorities, or the (Christian) missionaries who endorsed - indeed adopted - such practices.

In discussions of those situations, I've never seen anyone "shouting" - "But what about ....? Why are you raising THIS case?"

Nor have I seen people trying to sidetrack because it is decades since this was happening almost systematically against a specific sector of the population ...

So I would ask - WHY is it so impossible to discuss this problem when the victims are Mizrahi Jews and the authorities were those of the State of Israel?
Why do the Zionists take such offense?
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 11:01 am
Evelyn,

Those who still see a redeeming value in Zionism and identify themselves as Zionists need to cleanse their ranks of these crminals. The shouting should be directed at the criminals who comitted the crimes, not at those exposing the crimes in an attempt to put a stop to them. Zionists and others who choose to remain silent about these crimes are taking sides, and the side they’re taking is not the victims’ but criminals’!

I’m still waiting to hear when exactly the Zioinsts decided to stop committing these crimes— if they ever made that decision!
 

fly b (26)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 12:00 pm
The shocking story of Israel’s disappeared babies.

New information has come to light about thousands of mostly Yemeni children believed to have been abducted in the 1950s.

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2016-08-05/the-shocking-story-of-israels-disappeared-babies/
 

Janet B (0)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 12:36 pm
Thanks
 

Marija M (25)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 2:01 pm
interesting comments
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 3:06 pm
Sam you conveniently mischaracterize my response. I am not excusing abuses from anyone. Altering the title of an article to fits one's agenda is a bit disingenuous and I am surprised at you for that. The article is clearly interesting and of concern and obviously the guilty parties and ONLY the guilty parties should be prosecuted.

Throwing all of an enemy in one barrel is an old trick of the narrow minded. Every people has its criminals and its good folk. It is like saying that the misdeeds of Assad and Saddam Hussein make all Syrians and Iraquis cruel and lacking in moral fiber. This is scapegoating at its finest.though this doesn't quite get there when it comes to Zionists (and Jews), it is mighty close I think.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 5:02 pm
You probably have a point there, Cal, but not the one that deals with the title. I don’t think the title deviates from the subject matter of the article. In my response to you I was also addressing other comments by somebody else on the thread. Those comments suggested that because these crimes were commited more than 70 years we should leave them alone and look for newer ones! It was unfortunate that I addressed those other comments that were made elsewhere in the thread in my response to you.

I was pained by the fact that my comment caused you to have to come out and say, “I can assure you that I do not approve nor do i treat children that way.” Of course, I know that about you, Cal. But if I were a Zionist, I’d be up in arms (so to speak and please don’t take it literally! We have enough of that) making sure those criminals don’t continue to sully my name!

Having said that, I probably don’t need to remind you that my issue with Zionism goes well beyond the kidnapping of Jewish children.
 

Mandi T (366)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 5:46 pm
TY Sam, noted
 

fly b (26)
Tuesday August 9, 2016, 11:26 pm
“My mother told me my grandmother talked about her kidnapped child until the day she died,” he added. “She never got over it. At the time, none of us could really grasp what had happened to [the baby]. It was just too strange. It was impossible to believe.”


Believe it! See the dangerous mindsets, attitudes, and violation of human rights.
It is ongoing, and continues.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Wednesday August 10, 2016, 12:42 am
Noted!
 

AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Wednesday August 10, 2016, 3:00 am
Yes, kidnapping in any name is still kidnapping and it does pain me that anyone associated with providing a homeland for Jews would even think that was appropriate in any way. I have always said that human rights are for everyone and every group or they are for no one. You are right that one cannot pick and choose when it comes to that.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Wednesday August 10, 2016, 3:33 am
Every case is tragic, but it's a global phenomena.
Google Wikipedia's page on 'Child-selling'.

Franco's regime 'stole' 300,000 babies.

The Catholic Church in Ireland 'stole' (and sold) 60,000 babies.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 10, 2016, 3:53 am
Cal - your last comment is more in keeping with what I would expect from you -
And I also find it painful to find that this was carried out as a policy in a state created as a homeland for the Jews.

Somehow - the fact it was done in THIS context is more of a shock, more painful - perhaps it shouldn't be. But Israel was founded on a principle of protection of the Jews.

We've been condemning the missionaries in the US & Australia, the convents in Ireland for such acts - Franco's regime was hardly a model for human rights ... And because such wrongs have been done elsewhere does not seem to me to be a justification for brushing it aside as individually tragic "but it's a global phenomena".

If there hadn't been an effort to draw attention to the abusive practice with Native American children, & with the children of the First People, and the children born in convents ... there would not have been the condemnation that there has been.

Now, Israelis are drawing attention to the fact that it was a practice in which poor Mizrahi Jews were also targeted. They are right to do so, and they don't deserve their efforts to be dismissed as "well, it happens globally".

Cal - you are so right: "one cannot pick and choose when it comes to that". Human rights are for everyone.

 

John De Avalon (36)
Thursday August 11, 2016, 6:18 am
Evelyn: No, one cannot 'pick and choose', though that is precisely what this thread is doing! - stirring up hatred against Jews, whilst ignoring every other similar or worse act of abuse.

It is happening everywhere. From back then, before back then and to the present day. there's a booming trade in 'private adoptions' to desperate childless couples, which very often involves 'stealing' babies. It's not something people should be trying to make a political football out of, or use to stir up racial hatred.

The people responsible in the 'trade', no matter their nationality, are beyond contempt.



I
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 11, 2016, 8:28 am
John - just take time to READ comments rather than deny, or sidestep.

10% of the comments (excluding yours) in this thread refer to similar policies in other countries.
YOU triggered a racist exchange by what reads as denial of a real problem (and yes, it IS still a problem - as long as the victims suffer as a result of such forced separation).

I would also separate the private adoption "trade" from this kind of discriminatory separation of parent/mothers & their babies. I see nothing in this story that indicates mercenary interests of those introducing & implementing the policy of taking Mizrahi babies & placing them with non-Mizrahi Jewish families. The separation of Native American children from their families, & of the First People's children from their families, was also not the kind of commercial activity that is now often the driving force.

So your argument - which allows you, finally, to recognise the people responsible as "beyond contempt" - doesn't really apply!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Friday August 12, 2016, 7:02 am
Evelyn: When it comes to Jews and backing up your Jew-bashing friends I'd expect nothing more from you.

So, if the article had been about Chinese stealing Mongolian babies 70 years ago Sam H. would still have posted it????? We all know the answer to that one.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday August 12, 2016, 7:41 am
How ridiculous!
We are supposed to ignore a news item (by a Jewish author, in the Miami Herald (covering an area with a sizeable Jewish population) on a newly revealed problem affecting Mizrahi Jews in Israel
Because SAM posted it????

There are frequent posts of stories about similar stealing of children (particularly concerning Native Americans, Australian First People) endorsed by State policies, and the events discussed often date back decades. I've never seen you - nor anyone else, try to whitewash THOSE because it happened in the past!

IF Sam came across such a story, he might well post it. I've seen posts by him on a wide range of topics ... Although I admit, you don't seem to bother to note or comment on those - any more than you do on most of my posts or my comments that don't concern the Middle East ... (exception being Brexit issues).

I wonder if you have a beam in your eye, John?
 

John De Avalon (36)
Friday August 12, 2016, 2:48 pm
Evelyn: Maybe if you and your friends stopped posting race hate messages and threads you wouldn't have me in your face.

When I was younger I used to sit and wonder how people could sink to such a level of hate and depravity that they could commit an outrage like the Holocaust.
Since joining Care2 - sad to say - I've seen exemplified exactly the sort of poison that made it possible.

And on the subject of not posting in threads, there are certain types of threads you and your chums will never show up to post condemnation, no matter how vile the act.
But if it involves Jews, you can't get there quick enough.






Take the Paris massacre the other month. Care2 Jihad
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Friday August 12, 2016, 3:51 pm
Thank you very much for sharing, Sam.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 2:11 am
Well Ros,

And after we thought Netanyahu was the bottom of the barrel, we’re now discovering that there are Zionists who are even more despicable than he!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 3:39 am
Some people just see hate when one disagrees with them ...

Thankfully, most Jews, many Israelis - and as you point out, Ros, even an extreme right-winger like BN - actually DO expect human values to be applied equally to those of Zionist political persuasion as well as other human groups in such cases ....

Confusing truth + human rights and "hate" reflects a preset fear & assumption ... Not even worth trying to clarify,

I notice that John can only explain why "he gets in our face" in discussions about Zionists & the Middle East ...
He can't explain why he thinks these are the only posts we do ... and he gives no response about why he doesn't support posts about other human rights issues concerning other parts of the world
 

Sara G (104)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 4:19 am
In scanning through these comments one fact that seems most clear. We are as unwilling to forgive sins of the past as we are unwilling to learn it's lessons.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 5:55 am
Evelyn: Thread 'Syria: Stop the Bombs' You're such a great humanitarian! with plenty of time on your hands it would seem. Yet you've not posted in that thread, neither has Sam or Jess or Eleonora or the other one ... I can't help thinking that's strange.

Wrong sort of victims?
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 8:10 am
Maybe those Zionists should send us a list of the stories they want us to comment on. Better yet, they can tell us what they want us to say, as they always do! They the most helpful folks in the universe!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 10:29 am
I'm sure you've all been here long enough to find the 'World' news section without prompting.
After all you never have any trouble finding the Jew bashing threads!

I've just checked, none of you posted. Not a word.

A case of 'carry on bombing' it would seem.

 

Sam H (410)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 10:54 am
Getting something through someone's thick skull is always a challenge--but when the skull is hollow, the challenge is even more formidable!
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 11:05 am
"...Yet you've not posted in that thread, neither has Sam or Jess or Eleonora or the other one ... I can't help thinking that's strange. "

As for myself as one of "the other one", I can tell you my reason: C2 surely isn't the only forum where I discuss the ME and as for dealing secifically with Syria I have worked in another weblog for years, still do daily! Not the "wrong victims", definitely not! But the wrong culprits! Look at your own country to see ONE of them!
C2 is not the only forum I am busy in. Infact, specifically
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday August 13, 2016, 11:09 am
Ignore the last sentence there, cursor took a jump, didn't see on time to delete.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 5:31 am
Ros, I think the article JdA was referring to is that by Cal and has zero to do with DWB. And everything to do with the longstanding propaganda by Saudi funded "The Syria Campaign" and their propaganda helpers , the "Syria Civil Defense" or commonly known as The White Helmets. I would never sign for that propaganda with the sole aim of illegal regime change, supported by, among others, Samantha Power and her ties to SAMS, another humanitarian/medical org willfully getting abused for propaganda. She''s one of those who organised that latest letter by doctors urging Obama to WIDEN the war.

Or did I perhaps misunderstand you as to what you're referring to by "..found the article that you were referring to....noted, but did not sign or comment..." ?
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 5:33 am
And my apologies as well for off-topic response to off-topic comments!
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 5:50 am
Just checked. Still nothing.

Wrong victims? Or should that be wrong aggressors????

 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 6:18 am
As a general rule, for all conflicts particularly in the ME you can ALWAYS make a sure bet the agressor/s being USRAEL ! At least regarding the recent century and leaving out the Sykes-Picot accord.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 12:24 pm
Then you have a very selective memory, Angelika.

Had it not been for the Grand Muftis vow to exterminate all Jews there would have been a united Palestine.

Had it not been for the Arabs launching an unprovoked attack on Israel - and managing to lose, despite overwhelming numbers in their favour - in 1948 there would still be an independent Palestine.

Had it not been for the unprovoked attack planned by the Arabs in 1967, but pre-empted by the Israelis, Egypt would not have lost the Sinai Peninsula and Jordan would not have lost the West Bank - which they had illegally stolen from their Palestinian brothers. Just as the Egyptians illegally stole Gaza Province from the Palestinians.

And then the Yom Kippur War in 1973, another unprovoked attack by the Arabs.

And while we're at it, lets not forget the part your Nazi German countrymen played in all this, causing a mass exodus of Jews, (those they hadn't murdered) before and after WW2 with their campaign of racial hatred.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday August 15, 2016, 9:53 am
How typical of John!

Accusations without checking carefully!!
WHO posted Stop the Bombs (PETITION - PLEASE SIGN) ???????

If Cal ALSO posted the same petition, I didn't see it, and he posted it a day AFTER the original post of this petition - I've been very busy & not on Care2 in recent days.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday August 15, 2016, 11:08 pm
Sam talk about taking sides above, as I'm sure one or two have.
I stand by the comment I made which provoked Sam's reaction.
Reaction is what we must begin to pay attention to, and slowly cease to act upon.
Reaction involves heavy doses of egoism, with vanity and a sense of self-righteousness in one believing one is right, and everyone else is wrong.

As Ros has wisely stated above, a HOSPITAL has been bombed. What kind of humanity stoops so low as to start bombing hospitals?

You can clump as much history as evidence as you wish. Bottom line is, history repeats.
Are you going to REPEAT yourself, and continue your current behaviors and methods?
We'll be having this same conversation again, if so.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 12:01 am
Hi Darren,

I think it would be wise to heed your own advice, for you’re the one who seem to be reacting to my perceived reaction.

You’re certainly in a position to characterize your own reaction as having a “heavy doses of egoism.” But I’m not sure that that piercing insight that you’re quite capable of applying inwardly can be so nonchalantly thrown at others.

I have no idea how your wise words contribute to the subject matter of this thread!
 

addy J (1)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 8:16 am
noted
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 18, 2016, 7:50 am
Looks like this crime isn't only about Mizrahim.. worse..
https://www.rt.com/news/356374-israel-baby-stealing-holocaust-survivors/
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 18, 2016, 7:52 am
Haaretz ran the story - Exclusive Dozens of Ashkenazi Babies Mysteriously Disappeared During Israel's Early Years
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.736574
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday August 18, 2016, 7:56 am
Isn't it interesting to find that BN can be more honest about recognising that this IS a problem than certain blinkered pro-Zionists around here?!!

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu voiced his support for getting to the bottom of the missing Yemenite babies in June. “I think the time has come to find out what happened, and do justice,” he said in a video posted to his Facebook page, adding "as of this moment, I don’t know why it [the directive to seal the documents] exists.”"
 

federico bortoletto (44)
Thursday August 25, 2016, 8:14 am
Notato,grazie.
 

Farah H (155)
Friday January 6, 2017, 7:14 am
noted, thank you for sharing
 

Farah H (155)
Friday January 6, 2017, 7:23 am
I would like to ask John De Avalon about the reference of this statement
"Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in Jewish scripture and not at all in the Koran"
have you ever read the holy Koran or you are just trying to ridicule the public. For your info, Jewish people and Jerusalem are of great importance for Muslims in general and the Holy Koran in specific.
 
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