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Oh Hell No...We don't need no stick'n gun control laws ! I mean every one knows that even toddlers,if they so choose, should have the right to bear assault rifles and other automatic's their given right..donche know. [Yes I am very angry]


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Cheryl O (82)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:26 pm
Yes it's a shame that the psychos on the planet ruin everything for the ones that are good. I support my Constitution, but I do not support possessing a gun that is NOT for anything more then mass murder. It's one thing to bear arms, it's another to bear weapons of mass destruction with guns such as these. The Abuse of this Right is appalling, like I said the bad apples ruin it for everyone. IMost of these shootings are from guns that are not legal, some not all. The laws for sure need changed no doubt, this can't go on like this.The criminals will always have access to guns, laws or no laws.Like I said the ones who have guns legally and abuse the right by obtaining assult rifles just has to stop. An assult rifle is above and beyond what you would use to defend yourself, these are weapons of nothing but war and obtaining them is an abuse of that right.THANKS JAE

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:32 pm
Yes, I am being sarcastic with my above 'discription' . Deal with it if you can. If not...bummer. I had to say what I was thinking about all the anti-control gun law people out there. How many fire arm shootings/killing headlines does it take in a two day period..much less in a one week period, as has been the case recently, to really get people mad enough to demand control laws...For me shooting/killing was more than enough when it comes to the gun mentality 'rights' being a free for all for some people. That just doesn't cut it for me personally. How many dead children and adults does it take to kill that crazy phrase.."Guns don't kill people, people do" B.S. !!! .....
Fact...Guns DO kill people..period. Bullets that come the barrels of guns kill people...period. They [firearms] can fire without a human touching them and have.. killing people in the process so please..don't even comment if you plan on going with that insanitea phrase.Oh go ahead but expect some no so kind words in return from me and possibly others...but...that is. your choice to make of course.

In this case..even though *50* shots were fired... fortunately no one suffered any enjuries but the possible was that a bullet could have ricochated or done bodily harm to a person as a bullet fell to the ground even if shot into the air and at no one in particular. How many lives lost and tears shed will it take... due to such senseless slaughtering of others by crazed gunman who are examples of the right to bear arms..even that of automatic weapons....will we have to shed over the loss of lives this so called 'right' takes away before something serious comes about by way of making automatic weapons/guns illegal ! ?

Your right was based on owning a G.D. musket..not an automatic weapon for starters.

Can't attend schools or go xmas shop'n without the possibility of being shot at random by someone with the right to own an automatic rifle or hand gun. Absolute InsaniTea to let this continue in my opinion.

JL A (281)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:36 pm
and don't forget the student arrested before his attack, that included a bomb, today, too...all these types of episodes have happened in recent years within 35 miles of me--in urban, suburban, small city and small towns...we need the ban on automatic/assault weapons back and if Congress won't, then we'll do it city by city, county by county, state by state until the NRA induced gridlock is broken!

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:42 pm
Lets count those that I know of in just the past week...Two shot, but lived, in a hospital shooting in Alabama I think it was...Two killed at a mall in Oregon last Tuesday....the Friday mass murder that took place at the school in Conn. A teen arrest for his plot to kill students at another school on Friday...and this mall parking lot shooter today..Saturday. I hope I didn't miss any of the most recent ones. Those are more than enough and reasons enough to get serious and pass some tough gun laws in the nation...a.s.a.p. ..not to forget all the mass murders via automatic weapons in the past.

Cheryl O (82)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:45 pm
Yes Jae I understand compleatly what you are saying, I am also saying yes there MUST be changes to this law. I totally am against anyone having weapons of mass destruction, the idiocy abusing their rights is a huge problem. It's a shame that people would abuse their Constitutional right by obtaining these weapons. Like I said nobody should be able to obtain the weapons used in this string of murders. THEY ARE ABUSING THE SYSTEM at the expense of the ones who don't. Somethings got to give for sure and soon.

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:51 pm
I'm talking serious penalties for anyone caught selling an automatic weapon to a 25 yr. min. sentence with no probation. That alone will drive up the cost,due the risk involved in selling such, to such a high one that the vast majority of persons wanting to own one it would be prohibitive for them to do so in general..if not a big deterent to those selling them. Anyone caught in possission of an automatic weapon just about as stiff a sentence ..and so forth. No slaps on the wrist for first offenders either. This has to be a serious series of new gun control laws. These are just off the cuff ones that I can think of at the moment but I think others might have even better ones ..more detailed than I came up with on shot notice, so to say.

Cheryl O (82)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:51 pm
What is really scary Jae is that not only the mass murders, but most of these people are on medication they shouldn't be on. One out of 25 people on the planet are drugged with poison everyday, it's crazy. The whole world is going mad it seems and it's with the ones in power playing both sides.

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:58 pm
Guns/rifles that are not of the automatic status is a different matter. . .but even those should be a bit tougher to come by in my opinion...meaning where they can be purchased and what qualifications one has to go to in order to own one etc. For sure they should not be sold at 'gun shows' like they are currently in my opinion. Way way too many 'under the table deals' available at those and the time span to clear a buyer for their right to own them as well as to obtain a license for one after doing so just isn't there at a one or two day ,or even a week long 'gun show' ,in my opinion.
Retail outlets with a license to sell firearms only...with a waiting period for those who want to purchase them at such stores...and a serious back ground check before a permit to a buyer is issued.

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 9:59 pm
My ditto to your comments Cheryl O. Thank you for making them. Lets hope others give this as much thought also.

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:04 pm
..and yes...gun control laws will not end murder by rifle/guns but it sure will make it more difficult for anyone to kill / shot multipul persons in a few moment times. Penalties for the things I've mentioned will also bring about even more difficulties for those wanting to buy them illegally and so forth. The time is NOW people. WIth the stress of the economy, people on harmful meds as mentioned and on and on ..well time is not on the publics side when it comes to getting these laws my opinion means NOW. Congress has to get off their lazy an or obstructionist butts and get this done I said...NOW.

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:09 pm
Ditto to J.L.A.'s comment also .

Dalia H (1280)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:13 pm
Noted with sadness:(:(:(
Thank You so much my Beloved Friend Jae!
Much Love and Light with Prayers for all those Little Angels!

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 10:27 pm
What you are saying J.L.A. is an option of course but I don't think we should have to settle for such options..when we can make strong demands at a Federal level...daily..hourly if necessary until the fat cats there get these laws in place...NOW.
This is of national security as anything else is in my opinion..peoples lives are at more risk daily due to these automatic/asault/WMD weapons and there is no , I repeat... no... logical reason for them to not do all they can now to help save passing strict/tough gun control laws..for the sake / safety of all Americans .

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 11:04 pm
It's endless it seems in just this past's one more to add to the list that involved an assult/automatic weapon,killing three others on last Tuesday in Alabama also.:

"East of Birmingham, police shot and killed a man armed with an AK-47 assault rifle at the end of a pursuit that began with a triple killing in Cleburne County, near the Georgia state line, authorities said.'


Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:11 am
Will it ever end?

David C (29)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:22 am
A Mother Jones analysis of 61 mass murders over the last 30 years found that “in not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun.”

Naoko i (257)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:51 am
I can't understand how the US is among so-called civilized countries.

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:28 am
Naoko I am with you on this one !

Roseann d (178)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:51 am
The CT tragedy was on the news ALL DAY for 2 days, next comes the movie. We need to address the issue but stop with the sensationalism and twisted immortalism they crave.

Roseann d (178)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:54 am
And stop with the realistic gaming that desensitized people that goes from virtual killing to real killing.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:57 am
I'm cheering you on, Jae - everything you say is spot on. I bet if some of these shooting happened to our Congressional folk, there would be some gun control - oh, wait - it did happen to Gabby Giffords and ..... and nothing. I wonder what it WILL take?

JL A (281)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 8:40 am
The more different parts of government are discussing and evaluating proposals, the better the pool of ideas for ensuring no loopholes or gaps (like on-line sales and gun shows currently have). I'm not suggesting local levels instead of national, I'm suggesting both concurrently for mounting pressure and momentum for success.

Gloria picchetti (304)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 9:41 am
I don't know what his problem is but just lock him up, throw away the key. Enough is enough.

Fiona Dudley (47)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 9:52 am
Thanks for posting, Jae. This would be unbelievable if it weren't so tragically believable. I sincerely hope this is the first subject taken up by the new Congress and Senate after the Inauguration in January.

Faye Swan (22)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 9:54 am
Many thanks to all for the comments and I must say it makes my head spin reading all the news and arguments about gun control. I know there are farmers and others who should have firearms because they are defending animals and themselves. I think it's hard to go backwards and ban guns. Criminals will always find a way to get guns so the police should have the option of being armed. I also see no sense whatsoever in anyone having some of the firearms that I hear about - rapid fire, and whatever grenade launchers exist. Laws in Britain are very strict and still we had Dunblane. Tighten up ALL the regulations everywhere, PLEASE!

Laura R (15)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 10:05 am
I can't believe there are still people in the US defending the right to have guns. What else has to happen till they change the laws?

. (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 10:22 am
Again, it's going to take federal regulation is have any sort of impact. The states are going to have to give up their individual gun control laws, and their will have to be a national policy created on the issue of gun control.
With what has been going on in this country over the past week, congressmen, ans senators would be political fools if they did not support this.

. (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 10:24 am
P.S. sorry for the grammatical mistakes - I must learn to proofread before I submit....

Nancy M (147)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 10:31 am
Not again!

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 10:50 am
Good luck with that Allan. I read mine over several times usually but being dyslexic I miss many/most of the errors , so that proofreading just doesn't work for some...however once posted ...I often do spot some now and then.....the difference of seeing them after not before....? me.

**Another man arrested today in Indiana for threatening ..telling his wife, that he was going to go to a school and kill as many kids as he could, but that would be after he burned her alive, he told her. Police said he had over 100,000 bucks worth of weapons/automatics and ammon in his home and lived less than a 1000ft. from a school... with trails leading from his home to the school .

There must be Fed. laws established that will end the sale/possion of ''automatic weapons..guns/assult rifles'' ..a.s.a.p. if not sooner !

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 12:41 pm
We didn't have near this many psychologically sick people before Reagan and the corporate media take over. Look at what the right wing did to our country! Not to let the left off the hook for letting Monsanto and GMO's be.

Carter had us on track. Reagan undid that.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:13 pm
Thanks Jae.

How about repealing the second amendment to the Constitution?

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:18 pm

I believe that one of many ways to end this is maniacal American obsession with owing everything from the Bush master used in this spree to the the AK-47 and beyond could be radically controlled by ending the weekend "gun shows" in so many states. Have cash, can buy. Not even an ID for age verification is required. I have seen people post comments on Care2 that they believe they have a right to own shoulder mounted rocket launchers and if they have the money, they can.

I have been to gun shows and can say that it would not surprise me if half of the people there have a criminal history for violence. No ID, no verification, so even someone on a warning list would not be stopped from making a purchase. I do blame the NRA and the years of lies and propaganda that all Americans have a constitutional right to own whatever sort of weapon they desire.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:30 pm
When that was written Mary...they were thinking I say buy all of those ya can afford. FYI..I have read the Constitution that smart assss statement is a moot suggestion at best...and no where does it say 'assult rifles/automatic weapons/bombs/granades/rocket launchers I think it is time to detail... things within it....possibly via an admendment.....but thanks for commenting you thoughts on the issue.

Great thoughts KIt, thanks for sharing them. They are soooooooooo 'right on' !

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:44 pm
OK..for the sake of those like Mary above...I am not against gun ownership..what I am againt are some types...aka...automatic firearms/assult rifles..rocket launchers..granades etc. in the hands of private citizens. What , as I've mentioned..the constitution says... was written at a time when single shot muskets were the citizens firearms of the day. Using the constitution to support anything other than a musket is just a B.S. reasoning for not having 'gun controls' .

No one is saying,not that I have read on this or any other thread on care2 at least.. that all guns should be taken away from people so please don't go off track with that crazy thought folks. It's just not a point , at this time...period. Gun controls are the point. Not elimating firearms for private ownership....which personally I think might be the best choice..,,but reality tells me that in our world today that isn't practical/logcial...but controls are both practical and logical.

Gloria H (88)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 1:59 pm
Thank God he was a lousy shot. He was definately taking "war on Christmas" seriously. May have been hearing one too many piped in Christmas songs and the voices in his head could only take so much.............
We are all much safer this year with one less nut with a gun off the street.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:07 pm
Mary I suggest you read all the comments on a thread prior to leaving a comment so that you will see how silly/moot..insulting at best... a comment like the 'reading the constitution' was that you left above.... so that you could have avoided making yourself look so out of touch with the reality of the topics being discussed...gun 'controls'/crazies using their firearms for all the wrong reasons....along with not 'appearing' to be a 'silly teabagger' [I'm being polite in using those words] in general, as that statement made you appear to my opinion.

What is the old saying about those with a bible in one hand, a gun in the other, and wrapped in a flag ?

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:12 pm
Well, we can go a step further and ban kitchen knives from all homes because in the hands of the mentally insane they are lethal weapons. While we are at it we can ban alcohol and drugs, even prescription drugs because in the hands of the mentally incompetent/challenged they can kill innocent people when driving a car, etc. The point is that we cannot ban guns in our country. It will never pass. We need very strict laws on who can qualify to own a gun.

Jae, what about the Koran believers? They believe it is perfectly alright to slaughter the Infidels...a Koran in one hand and a loaded vest strapped around them so that they can go to heaven to meet their 13 virgins???

Paul Wellman (1)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:16 pm
I would like to inject a little here.
First I am neither a Right Wing Nut or A Left Wing Nut.
I have been around firearms, of all kinds, all my life. I am 65 years old. I am definitely a “gun enthusiast”.
When this old Left Wing chestnut would come up about the restriction of firearms (after whatever the current tragic event that would stir it up) my back woods Okie family would say “Guns Don't Kill People! - People Kill People!” then laugh at these silly people. I still believe that.
I urge you to read again The New York Times article about Adam Lanza:
Hear the facts about Adams obviously terribly painful life experience and total lack of intervention by ANYONE even though there is much talk of the recognition of many such problems by everyone (it seems) that knew him.
How can that be???
Violence is a disease and if we can't put out enough heart and resources to recognize and treat this disease I fear for our society.
As for the Left Wing Nuts that are stirring up this tired old “gun nut” story....
Shame on you for using legitimate grief and sorrow to stir up more hatred and fear to promote your silly ideas. That is definitely NOT what is needed.
I will read with glee your rants in response to my thoughts.

David C (75)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:21 pm
I think we should expedite the secession of Texas (and as far as I care the rest of the southern USA).....guns can be free and available there, but not anywhere else.........

Reality thought, how about (a) restarting the assault weapons ban would be a nice thought or (b) return to the times of The Constitution and have armories and a Well Regulated Militia as the text says........

Angelika R (143)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:26 pm
Thanks Jae, you know my view. And 50 shots fired without injuring anyone is a mere miracle, coincident.
America has to start working HARD to overcome and get rid of its culture of violence that society has allowed to grow too far for too long.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:28 pm
Dave, I'm all for California becoming a country and we can go back to 49 states. So, we can leave Texas alone. There are things worse than guns. As Paul stated, people kill people. They can have a gun in their hands, a kitchen knife, a baseball bat, tanked on meds and alcohol and get behind the wheel of a car or a truck and, yes, they will kill innocent people. It's the deranged mentality of some people and taking away the guns isn't the answer because we'll always be left with the insane living among us. That, unfortunately, will never go away. Look at the Muslims who hate the infidels (Americans) and their creative ways to murder innocent Americans. Think we should kill all of the Muslims? This is absurd.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:28 pm
Or just get rid of all republicans, Diane. They LOVED Reagan shutting down all of the state run mental institutions and booting them to the street. I bet you don't live near or shop by those pesky people, eh?

The right wing creates the gun craze every election cycle. They send the sheep off to buy them up to get ready to blow the Liberals away that want to "take them away". They were called out on it.

Who really needs an assault rifle?

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:30 pm
Jason, I'm of the firm belief that you should never have a gun in your home.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:51 pm
Your vote raises your risk a lot! Diane. All of our problems, that started 33 years ago, are because of the new, extreme right. Same extreme right from the 1920s. They need to go.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 2:58 pm
Jason, you are showing your lack of intelligence by your comment above. It's here for all to read.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:15 pm
Liberals have brought America to a nanny state....a country of people who expect the government to "take care" of them....redistribute the wealth and then experiencing the "wealthy" corporations leaving our country to go to more tax friendly countries. Be careful what you wish for....because it is now by liberal design. Look at California....people leaving and corporations leaving.....meanwhile the illegals are crossing the borders to take advantage of "free" healthcare, free housing, social security daycare for their children....reduced college tuition....meanwhile California keeps raising the taxes on those who are actually legal Americans.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:17 pm
What's wrong with California's picture? It's a progress in work. California is the poster child for when a state needs to become a country responsible for their own stupid visions.

JL A (281)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:24 pm
The founding fathers didn't envision people using the right to form militias to mean cannons in their front windows aimed at their neighbors' children. There is NO reason other than killing lots of people to have weapons designed to fire 50 times without reloading (and weapon manufacturers' profits, of course).
A shovel can kill a child but a mentally ill person with a shovel will not kill 20+ kids and several adults with a shovel without someone stopping them (and a shovel like most knives has a legitimate use besides killing people).

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:28 pm
Thanks for posting, Jae. *I'm sorry I'm unable to send you a star since I already sent one this week. I share your anger, and am signing every petition, reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban and outlaw the gun shows.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:50 pm

Diane, 20 babies and 6 adults, teachers and support staff from this little school are dead and must be lain to rest, so knock off the rhetoric, this is not the time.

Many of us own guns. I have been around guns all my life. That does not mean I have a need for military combat rifles in my home. Nor does it mean that we as a society should allow anyone with cash to go to "gun show" with no ID no form of back ground check and allow them to buy whatever is for sale. How does anyone know what intention is behind that purchase? Who are these people are they terrorists, violent offenders, or crazy lunatics hell bent on violence? Without at a background check no one knows. In a sane world this would not be a left/right issue it would be an issue of reasonable use of laws already on the books and not enforced.

Just a touch of common sense here. That is a stupid as expecting a rabid dog to be cuddly. Just for a while - pipe down and knock off the same old crap about Sarah Palin's nanny state and try to at least pretend you have some human feelings.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:51 pm
I would not expect anything less crazy/ightwing/teabagger klan motivated than your comments above Diane O..of which some were obviously totally rightwing political rants for who knows,not I for sure,for what insane reason you did so.... Just par for the course when it comes to your mindset in general, IMO.

Diane O...You've managed to take the tragidies of this past week to a new opinion low via your comments,even for a rightwinger/Teabagger in my opinion. I actually see liitle to no difference in your mindset than those that I imagine to be probably much the same as the shooters in the news lately. Personally I believe that the majority of your comments on this thread are completely ...uncalled for ....and totally out of place at this time..but the choice to do so or not was yours to make of is my choice to reply to yours.

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:57 pm
Guns are far too easily available in the US. Guns and people kill people and as J.L.A. suggests above, someone with a gun can kill many people, unlike someone with another type of weapon or their bare fists. The US must look pretty strange and gun-happy to many in other countries.

"The right to bear arms" has an historical context not applicable to today, and is pretty vague anyway.

Even the NRA wasn't so conservative until the 1970s and had different aims in its earlier history.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:04 pm
You folks, as usual, have missed the point. My comments are here for all to read without the spin that both Jae and Kit are putting on my words. My point is clear. It's not about the guns. It's not above the kitchen knives. It's about the mentally incompetent who use these weapons to harm/kill innocent people. We cannot possibly remove these items from our lives. We have crazy people in our society tanked up on alcohol, prescription drugs and they will use any weapon they can get their hands on to harm other people.

So, spin my words if you choose to do but in so doing you aren't making credible statements.


Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:08 pm
So, in your vernacular, in order to prevent mass murders, we need to remove all items from our homes that can be considered lethal weapons. It's people who kill innocent people. Get the mentally deranged off the streets and then let us have a reasonable conversation. Get the alcoholics and drug abusers off the streets and take their car keys out of their hands and then we can have a reasonable conversation. We all know that we cannot do this. Banning guns is not the answer. Banning kitchen knives is not the answer. Banning alcohol and drugs is not the answer. So, what IS the answer?

Patrice M (84)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:11 pm
I, personally, cannot believe that the NRA apologists have the nerve to pop out of the woodwork after the tragic events at Sandy Hook to make their usual stupid case for continued, basically unregulated gun ownership.

Have any of you no shame?


I have to give them credit, though. Who would have thought anyone on this thread would have the cojones to use this unspeakable tragedy to make a case against the Koran? I'm impressed by the breath-taking illogic of the argument. Wow. There are leaps of common sense, then there are Nureyev - like grand jetes into the rabbit hole. This is the latter.

And as for the blah blah blah "Guns don't kill people, people kill people, hah-hah-hah," are you freaking serious?! Idiots with guns kill people. I mean, there's a limit to my tolerance for those who can't follow the cause and effect from point A to point B. Wake the hell up.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:12 pm
I doubt that anyone missed the misguided points of your comments Diane O. It is about weapons Diane O. as well as the mindsets of those who use them.Without access to such weapons the mentally incompetent as you called them could not kill others with them for starters. Now that's the logical and very real point...a very creditable point that you are missing !!!!


Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:16 pm
I'm not missing anything, Jae. I'm a realist. Guns have been in the hands of millions and millions of Americans for many many decades. The vast majority of Americans have never killed another human being. And....they never will. They don't have guns to murder other people. They have guns to protect themselves for mentally deranged intruders into their home.

Angelika, you are absolutely correct and I'm glad you posted it above...."Idiots with guns kill people." The vast majority of Americans are not "idiots."


Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:19 pm
Guns do kill people. They can do so without a human pulling their trigger. I know that to be fact as I had a step brother who was killed when a rifle went off ...without his brother pulling the trigger when he placed the rifle between them in their stop with that insane reasoning that guns don't kill people...that B.S....which anyone that isn't mentally incompetent, in my opinion, should know that to be fact.

Amen to that cause and effect you pointed out Angleica...I feel the same as you about that ..point. A very good one at that !

Patrice M (84)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:20 pm
How many massacres do we need to have before you realize that your defense of unlimited gun ownership is so wrong?

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:21 pm
Have you read the Koran, Angelika? If not, step down. Because until you know what is written in the Koran about killing the infidels you post from a position of no knowledge.

You also state that "without access to such weapons the mentally incompetent as you called them could not kill others with them for starters." If the mentally deranged are denied access to guns, which they should be, then they will find other methods to carry out their quest to kill/harm innocent people. Get a clue here. No gun? There are other weapons at their disposal weapons all of us have in our homes day in and day out. What about fire? What about pouring gasoline around a house and lighting it with a match? Do we then ban gasoline and matches? It's the person. It's not the gasoline or the match.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:22 pm
Just curious Diane O. I'm not sure about someone your age....but could it be that you are 'in heat'..? the ___________ that ' I believe' you to be. I don't know for certain but perhaps that's your problem today, as with many other days that I've read you insanitea...IMO, comments on other threads as well.' Or is it that you're just not right in the head in general ? Whatever your problem is I for one think you're way off track ..or possibly on teabagger crack..after reading your comments.
I will hand it to you,in that you have taken the tragidies of the last week and taken them..via your rightwinger politial I've already mention but will an all time low , even for a teabagger/rightwinger/GOP'er .

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:23 pm
I believe Americans have the right to own a gun. If someone, like this deranged young man broke into MY home, I want to be able to protect myself from this idiot. It is my right to protect myself in MY own home. Period.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:30 pm
Sure but that right should not enclude automatic weapons/assault rifles etc. ..How about a single shot musket Diane O ? After all that was what they had during the time that our constitution was written..but you would know that if for no other reason than had you read all of the comments on this thread..prior to your own obviously.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:31 pm

Don't be stupid! No one has said anything even remotely akin to removing all possible weapons. Nor is there any possible way to remove those weapons that are assault rifles (designed for combat use) from those who own them. The only point is use the laws passed that require a waiting period and stop selling military combat rifles. I don't care if people want to own a hand gun for person protection. Not my business, but I should think that any person with a tiny bit of brain power could see that these guns, do not need to be sold for public use.

No one has to twist your words, Diane - you manage to that very well on your own.

Not surprised at all at your total lack of human decency about the dead children.

Just more of your extreme and harsh judgements of any thing or any one that does not lock step into that bizarre and exaggerated way of thinking.

All possible weapons:

hammer, nails, screw drivers, wrenches, pliers brooms, mops, irons, knifes, forks, computer mouse, lamps, speakers, TV sets, stereos, handsets for land line phones, a bar of soap, belts, pantyhose, pots and pans, and those are just a few things in our home that could be weapons. Heads up Diane - this about the aberrant use of combat military assault rifles used as weapons of terror against innocent civilians. What part of that is over your head?

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:36 pm
No, Jae, just because you are trying desperately to spin my words doesn't make what you say accurate. I have stated my opinions here and I'm clear on what I believe in. It's not about the people who own guns because the vast majority of Americans would never in a million years harm another person by shooting them. The rest of your comments aren't worth addressing because they aren't considered intelligent dialogue from where I sit.

I believe we need to have stricter gun laws to prevent mentally ill people from having guns. However, we shouldn't punish the country because of what a few mentally deranged people have done with guns.

Tell Obama to stop all the drones because they kill innocent people. Tell Obama to pull all of the weapons from our military men and women who ride around in humvees in Afghanistan so that they can't protect themselves when they are fired upon by the enemy. Tell Obama to remove all weapons from his secret servicemen who protect him. Tell them they have to figure out a way to protect him without using guns. You people just don't know what you are talking about.

A horrible tragedy has happened once again because guns were used by mentally deranged people. In this instance, these guns were taken from a person who was licensed to have a gun, in fact, more than several guns, so we can call this "theft of firearms." There's no way we can prevent this. Why? Because people KILL people. It's not the guns.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:41 pm
Kit, save your drama for the cinema. I stand by my comments. You ARE spinning my words but the problem is it isn't working for you because you know I am right. You just can't admit that I am right but that's okay because I don't need your approval.

Anyone who has a head on their shoulders knows and understands that what I am saying is correct. We have mentally deranged people in our country among the poor and among the rich. Our prisons are bursting at the seams filled with mentally deranged people who have murdered innocent people. When people are intent on harming other people they will accomplish that with any method they have because that is their focus. They kill with their hands and if they can get their hands on a gun they will use a gun.

So, save your spin circle and use it somewhere else.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:46 pm
Unfortunately for you Diane O and your rightwinger extremist political ranting is that you didn't read ....where myself and others have pointed out on this thread, that we also believe in the right to own a gun..just not those being disscussed. Ya just began ranting away with your rightwinger political rethoric without paying any attention to the comments of others prior to yours,
Was it that you just wanted to ignore what others were saying ,as to their/our being ok with owning a gun...just not those of the rapid fire/automatic/assault rifle catagory....and not rocket launchers/granades or Nuclear the hands of private you could run with that insaniTeabagger ranting that you did ?

Yep... a new low even for a rightwing in my opinion. Just not the time or place for such all over the map political yours have been Diane O. I have the feeling/can imagine that while the rest of us heard/read about the school tragidy, the lives lost, and wiping the tears from our eyes you were probably just they're going to want gun controls.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:48 pm

So far you have yet to be correct about anything you have said at any time. No, I don't know that your are correct, that your RIGHT as in right wing, no one questions. There is no need to spin your words you manage that on your own. Your Fox wacky rhetoric is your choice of words, no mine. Reasonable, logical people don't create more hateful situations when MOST of the country is in mourning.

I have to wonder - are you as right about this as your were about Romney winning the election? How did that work out for you?

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:48 pm
This latest tragedy possibly couldn't have been predicted -- they are still trying to figure out why this young man did this terrible act. There were not necessarily signs or evidence that he was "mentally deranged" and not everyone who shoots to kill is "mentally deranged".

The over-availability of guns is a factor in many shootings, and sometimes it is anger or some kind of other emotion that is a factor in fatal shootings. Emotions can't be regulated, but guns can.

elderberry C (47)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:52 pm
'Adam Lanza, the father of Connecticut school shooter, Peter Lanza, was the tax director for General Electric, a corporation that paid no taxes on 14.2 billion dollars in profits last year. According to Fabian4Liberty, Peter Lanza was scheduled to testify in the ongoing global LIBOR scandal. In what could only be described an amazing coincidence, Robert Holmes, the father of Colorado Batman shooter James Holmes, was also a LIBOR witness in his position with FICO.'........?? Libor = $800 trillion......Apart from that
Looks to me like there's a big problem with the effect of the prescription? drugs these people are taking....they are not helping are they.....

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:52 pm
Your opinions carry no weight because you are tone deaf to the issue here. I've made my point. The school tragedy was horrible and unfortunately it will happen again UNTIL we put safety measures in all of our schools. Obama cut funding for security at schools in case you haven't been keeping up with your reading. We should have, in all of our schools, locked front entry and side doors. NO ONE should be able to enter a school until they have been properly searched. That's the problem we aren't addressing. This young man was let in the front door of this school with firearms. Now, once we go there and address that problem we will continue to have mentally deranged people walk into any school on any campus and harm innocent children.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:57 pm
here's an interesting article for the liberals:


Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 4:59 pm
greenplanet, you are the voice of reason on a thread that is otherwise not keying in to the real problem.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:00 pm
No one has to spin your words Diane O. They are taken clearly just as you mean them to be. You can stop that kind of defence B.S. as it isn't flying/working..not on this thread , not this time...nor at this time. You're back peddling can't erase the words in print in your combined comments on this thread now Diane O.

My suggestion at this time for you Diane give it a rest and the rest of us will do our best to go on with the discussion as it were before you pop'd in with your rightwing nut political ranting and misguided assumptions as to what had been said to that point. Maybe you'd be better off to just go shop'n for a musket this evening than to keep causing yourself to look you said about the shooters and others who kill via firearms....mentally my opinion.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:02 pm

Sure, we should have to continue to make all schools like prisons, not look at what is really the problem. That school was locked and he still shot our the locks. So as always, you have no point of reason, no thought process beyond repeating the limited information give on the Fox news and like minded sources of complete idiocy.

Perhaps, rather just lock the doors we should put up iron doors with snipers on the roofs of all schools?
Do you ever actually learn facts before blathering?

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:05 pm
Jae, of course you have to spin my words otherwise you wouldn't have anything to post. And, Kit, we seem to have a dangerous trend going on in our country as it relates to the mentally deranged walking into schools and on college campuses opening fire on innocent people. We have to do something. And if that means bullet proof glass in all the windows and metal detectors at the front doors then we have to do this in order to protect our children. Whatever it takes we must do. Of course the following link will show you that our government let the funding lapse for more security in our schools:

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:11 pm
Just a side note...I have learned to keep copies of all comments on threads where rightwingers are ranting against the grain of the other commenters with their Insanitea, so ta say..So if any go missing for whatever reason......I can repost them.

That being said, I would really like to hear the opinion of others now Diane O. We've hogged the thread with your rightwinger rethoric/ranting long enough in my opinion. This is about gun control..types of weapons being used in the latest string of shootings..but it is not about Ca. become a nation of it's the wingnuts in Texas want to do...or kitchen knives etc....just in case you're still on that track also Diane O. ..but rant on if you must...if that's your choice. At least this thread made front page so that more readers might find it and read and even possibly leave their thoughts inbetween your rants Diane O. At least I hope others will still do so.

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:12 pm

"Emotions can not be regulated but guns can" - that is so true. That we if we were a culturally advanced society we would make mental a priority. It doesn't change a thing to write this off as a crazed gunman. This article that Jae has posted is yet another person shooting a gun - this one fortunately caused no injury.

No, Diane you have not made a single point here, not one. I don't believe for one moment that you have read the Qur'an, or understand a word of that book. You show again and again your complete lack of knowledge on any topic, no matter how simple and basic the concept. So stop pretending to be an expert, you are the last person to be considered an expert on anything more than repeating the same old things over and over.

No one knows for certain what this man may or may not have been suffering from. One thing is for certain without the Bush-Master, he could not have killed so many people.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:15 pm
"The over-availability of guns is a factor in many shootings, and sometimes it is anger or some kind of other emotion that is a factor in fatal shootings. Emotions can't be regulated, but guns can"..yes excellent way to say it greenplanet...and as Lois J stated that can be accomplish by reinstating the Assault Weapons Ban and outlaw the gun shows which I will add....for starters.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:21 pm
Correction Diane O...The GOP cut funding for schools/education ...and they want to make more of such cuts. That will not help with funding security in schools but he GOP insist these cuts are necessary if the rich are to no long get their Bush tax cuts.

Without access to automatic and assault rifles it is not possible to kill as many people as those who have them Diane O. What's with this no gun B.S. you keep bring up. That's be talke about and as far as I can read on this thread you are the only one harping about that.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:24 pm
...missed wording from my above should have read .."Without access to automatic and assault rifles it is not possible to kill as many people *in a few minutes or even seconds* as those who have them . " ...WHich was also one of Kits points.

Kathy B (106)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:25 pm
How hard can this be? We have to take tests to drive a car (which can also be used as a lethal weapon) why not have tests to prove competency and be licensed for a weapon?

And yes, any kind of automatic or semi-automatic weapon does not belong an any household.


Past Member (0)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:41 pm
Diane O, what is your position on closing the gun show loophole and requiring intense background checks, in every state, on all gun buyers?

Kenneth L (314)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:42 pm
Speaking on the topic, as a non-American IMO the U.S. has so many stinking guns now that you have dug yourself into a big hole.
IMO there is something intrinsically wrong about citizens with handguns. It is based on the idea that everyone and anyone is a potential attacker towards you, so you have to have a handgun to 'protect' yourself.
And remember, no one is a criminal UNTIL the moment they commit a crime. And ANYONE is capable of committing a crime. An individual just has to decide to commit one and do it. Voila. EVERYONE is thus a potential criminal.
Those are the 'reasons' a person would have a handgun to 'protect' themselves. EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL ATTACKER OF YOU AND EVERYONE IS A POTENTIAL CRIMINAL. That is the fear-based reasoning behind citizens with handguns IMO.

But YOU are THAT potential criminal, THAT potential attacker to someone else. YOU are in that exact group to someone else that you put everyone else in. YOU are no different, no less potentially an attacker or criminal than anyone else.

So what do you end up with, everyone views everyone else, including YOU, with suspicion and fear and needs to 'protect' themselves from each other. Yeah, nice conditions to live life in.

Fear is a low-level quite unreasoning emotion. Easy to manipulate people with it. Easy to REACT when in fear about something. It has very limited value. Ever see a cornered animal?


greenplanet e (155)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:00 pm
Good points. A fear-driven society does encourage widespread gun ownership. Fear is also used to, say, excuse invasion of other countries and to demonize the "other". Yeah, if someone is reacting, they might be more likely to pull out a gun if guns are available (instead of, say, yell or punch -- which are not ideal of course, but might not be fatal to a whole group of people).

Cars can be used as weapons, but are not designed to be (unlike guns). We also have road rules and age limits on driving, and places where you can't drive (eg the sidewalk). I guess gun regulations might be a bit like driving skills and road rules.

Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:01 pm
To the comment by Kit : Sunday December 16, 2012, 5:12 pm...
Right on !...and the same goes for your other comments also Kit.

Thank you Kit and my thanks to the others who have left their thoughts as to this article and the tragidies of the Fridays shootings and others of just this past week...along with their thoughts about the types of guns/rifles being used in these shootings. Well that is to say my thanks to all ....except the one lacking any knowledge about anything being disucssed here..not even those they themself brouht my opinion...who I feel contributed nothing to the thread other than for the only purpose, as far as I can tell ...of prompting others to think, if not to say outloud or in print ..." that person ranting about..via their righwing political rantings in general".
OK, sure , I'm talking about Diane O. in case anyone didn't get that on their own :-).

We must have more gun control laws in place a.s.a.p. No more assault rifles/automatic firing weapons period. Stop the gun shows from selling firearms on sight as well or ban them altogether. Limit showing and the sales of firearms to licensed retail shops. Limit the amount of ammo/bullets that one can buy and have in their possession. Those things will certainly be a good starting point to at least limit the number of persons another can kill in a few minutes/seconds/moments.

..and no teabaggers and other rightwing gun supporters or others who support the owning of one here, that I've read comments about, is wanting to take your/our right to own a firearm away..just limit the types and numbers one can own.


Kit B (276)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:16 pm

The president delivered a beautiful and moving speech to those in gathered for a memorial service at New Town, Connecticut. I applaud is sincere and honest efforts to bring comfort to those so tragically and deeply affected by this latest shooting.

We need to remember that Federal law can and this case must supersede state laws. We need one uniform law to address the sale and purchase of assault rifles. It will not stop all of these tragedies but it will begin to end the sale of these weapons of war.

Klaus Peters (14)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:35 pm
If gun laws are not revised in the USA there will be more massacres to come. President Obama must make an unpopular decision on this, but he will go down in history as a man with guts. After a massacre in Tasmania, Australia (35 people were killed) our PM at that time, John Howard, did not hesitate to introduce strict gun laws, and we are better off for it. Americans, tell your President Obama to put strict gun laws into place. It will benefit you all. A gun will never fix a short term problem, it only makes the problem worse. And without a gun in the hands of an emotional, angry or unstable person, well, that person might just have enough time to actually manage the problem instead of reaching for the gun.

JL A (281)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 6:56 pm
no gun= maybe one death at most...definitely a significant improvement over the carnage we are grieving about.

Statistically persons who use guns against intruders in their homes are far more likely to kill a family member than any intruder.

Bruno M (61)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:17 pm
so scary!

Robert O (12)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:41 pm
Like I commented on another article, I'm not so much against the right to bear arms, though seeing as that amendment came about in the days where people had homesteads on the wide open frontiers to protect it does seem oudated, but I'm against any Joe Blow in the first row and people with criminal records and mental illness) having access to firearms and particularly high powered, military style assault rifles which no ordinary citizen needs but many want just to show people how big and bold they are. As if sane individuals with a shred of intelligence would be impressed by the size and strength of firearms owned by people (many of whom are obviously insecure) that equate firepower with brainpower or strength of character.

Colleen L (3)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 8:09 pm
What saddens me is that you have sick minded person, then 20 more have to copy cat them. It's with guns, lighting fires to start these large destructive fires that kill people,animals, destroy homes, etc. Like I wrote in a post yesterday, we need to put an end to all of this ugly violence. We need to get away from hatred and start loving and being peaceful. We weren't place here on Earth to kill or destroy, We were place here to love and help one another. So lets start NOW. Thanks Jae

James Maynard (84)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 8:11 pm
As many others have already noted, it is high
time to enforce the "well regulated" part of the
Second Amendment. To date, it is not.


Dorothy N (63)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 8:54 pm
Thanks for the great posting Jae A. and to the many wonderful and informative comments made by nearly all posters on this thread.

Too bad about the Star limitations...

Thought I'd post this petition that arrived in my inbox here, in case anyone hasn't seen/signed it yet and might be interested in doing so.

Now IS the time to Demand A Plan to End Gun Violence
The school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut is a tragedy beyond comprehension. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their loved ones and the community that has been hit with this horrific act of violence.

But our condolences are not enough. Mass shootings and gun murders have become commonplace in our country because our laws are broken and our leaders have no plan to address gun violence.

Hours after the shooting, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said: "Today is not the day… to engage in the usual Washington policy debates. I think that that day will come, but today is not that day."

We couldn't disagree more.

We say, Now IS the Time to talk about guns. Now IS the time to prevent more pointless deaths. Now IS the time to Demand A Plan to End Gun Violence.

Sign our petition to President Obama and members of Congress and ask them to act NOW!

President Obama and members of Congress: What’s your plan to end gun violence?


Jae A (316)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 9:40 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Dorothy :-( ...but I can say thank you very much for such an excellent comment. . .and for sharing the link info with others. Both are much appreciated.

As for their plan I think the public can provide them...say... in the time it takes the sun to set on this coming Friday at the latest :-) with one if they are in doubt as to coming up with one that will do the job as we want it done... or feel they need more time. :-). It's.. push come to shove ...time on this life saving issue.

robert zank (0)
Monday December 17, 2012, 2:17 am
looks like media enforced propaganda to take the guns away from americans to enforce oncoming military dictatorship. at the same time allowing murder and kill, kill movies 24 hrs. a day. and what about the subsidized mass murder abroad.i have heard someone suggest the death penalty for corrupt politicians.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2012, 2:51 am

Carlene V (202)
Monday December 17, 2012, 6:28 am
The 2nd Amendment and how one interprets it has caused enough death. When the GOP has the balls to tell the NRA to take a flying leap, this may end. The NRA pushes for everyone to have the right to own a gun. While I don't own one and don't plan to, I agree that it should be a right. But, we do not need anyone to have an assault weapon nor should they be allowed. Laws should be changed regarding gun shows too. The loss of those little children should be a wake up call to all of us to somehow stop the violence of assault weapons. If that mother didn't have those guns, the children would be waking up today and going to school not laying in a funeral home waiting to be buried. The NRA has blood on their hands this time and they know it but they'll be voracious in their defense of the right to bear arms. It is up to Congress to slap them down and quit worrying about weather or not they'll win the next election if they dare to go against the NRA. Mental illness is also a part of this but...without those guns the killer would have been as helpless as those little kids were. Have a gun if you want, keep yourself feeling safe, but do you really need an assault weapon? Hell NO!

Nancy M (147)
Monday December 17, 2012, 6:58 am
Diane O- I have a question for you. First of all, I can support your right to own a gun and use it in your home for protection. But do you really feel that you need three semi-automatic weapons and two other guns for protection? That is what the mother in CT had. I don't see that as protection.

Nancy M (147)
Monday December 17, 2012, 7:25 am
And my apologies to Jae for bringing up the CT shooting in his thread about CA. Hopefully in the greater context of the gun debate, he will understand.

Mitchell D (82)
Monday December 17, 2012, 7:47 am
Diane O., you are mistaken to focus on the mentally ill as a source of gun violence, unless you refer to people like Mike Huckabee, who continue to spill empty religious platitudes about the situation. These people are mentally ill, in the sense that they are living within a delusional system.

Arielle S (313)
Monday December 17, 2012, 7:52 am
If you are afraid, have A gun, Diane - not an arsenal. Not a bunch of killing machines.

Jae A (316)
Monday December 17, 2012, 8:23 am
Military style firearms can take lives and or destroy them and whole families...but as Nelson Madela said...Education is the most powerful weapon of it can be used to change the world.

So... if want to get politically bias Diane about this:
I think it is time for the GOP/Rightwing to got their hands out of gun lobbiest wallets and their heads out of their own rears and stop their promoting of more firearms to be in the hands of people..adults and children alike.. and began promoting and extending more funding for education, instead of less as they have been for too long and still are currently.

Deborah W (6)
Monday December 17, 2012, 8:38 am
Anyone believe the mother in this instance has some responsibility/accountability as an enabler ... sharing the guns, ignoring the warning flags (obviously recognized over a long period if he was more or less confined to the house)?

Believe the gun was just a handy tool, an outlet expression of his root problem, too long ignored rather than dealing with that. Seems we're always jumping in to protest in the middle of things instead of tracing them back to the beginning. Why is that?

Jae A (316)
Monday December 17, 2012, 8:50 am
Perhaps the tracing back leads to the 'second admendment'..........instead of blaming the victims ? I think there is an old saying about ..better late than never. So if we are in the middle of things why not go from there and do all we can to get the military stype weapons..assault and automatic firearms.. off our nations streets and out of the hands of private citizens ..thus out of the hands of those with mental problems first and began a serious push for greater public education funding and higher learning ...just say'n.

Jae A (316)
Monday December 17, 2012, 9:14 am
Yes I think the mother was wrong ,obviously , having military weapons that were accessable and or shared with her children but I also believe had there been no military style weapons in their home to begin with..regardless of the mothers bad parenting skills shall we say...there would not have been the number of children and adults killed by the son as there were due to his being able to use assault/automatic firearms. There will always be people with a serious lacking of parenting skills . There will always be people with emotion and or mental problems and that is why access to such military weapons for all must be illimanated in my opinion.

JL A (281)
Monday December 17, 2012, 9:32 am
Our founding fathers didn't give their mentally ill children access to canons in their homes.

Nancy M (147)
Monday December 17, 2012, 9:34 am
I don't necessarily want to blame the mother for having those guns, I was just raising the question.

Personally, I have never lived anywhere that I felt guns were required.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2012, 9:47 am
Leave it to Diane to Make excuses for the rights insanity. Responsible government is NOT a "nanny state" as FOX drills into your pea brain. Corporations are NOT our saviors. Government has been redistributing wealth for well over 230 years! This isn't new or liberal. It's part of our once success.

Meet Five CEOs Who Prove That Lower Corporate Taxes Don't Equal More Hiring
By George Zornick, The Nation
CEOs fire thousands despite low corporate tax rates. READ MORE

I just saw an expert on FOX say, if we had more mental institutions and beds, these incidences would be far fewer.
Like I said. Reagan shut them down. Thank the GOP for yet another giant mess. Idiots!

Guns to protect us from government tyranny? OMG! It sure is beyond working the way they thought.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 17, 2012, 9:53 am
There's that false fox fear!
"Have you read the Koran, Angelika? If not, step down. Because until you know what is written in the Koran about killing the infidels you post from a position of no knowledge."

Right wing, fox fear rhetoric being called knowledge. From some simp who has NOT read the Quran.

Jae A (316)
Monday December 17, 2012, 10:23 am
Nancy M...bring up anything that you feel contributes to the discussion about the type of weapons and or the shootings of the past week in general etc. that you care to comment on, on this thread. Your input is always thoughtful and appriciated by myself. My comment about the mother was not directed in your direction , but in responce to another ..Deborah W.

As far as the mental institutions and beds...those cost and the way the GOP is against any health care coverage for those who can't afford private insurance this creates a problem...along with the insurance co.'s who will not pay for such care etc.or only in a min. way..I am not sure if Obamacare helps with such cost but perhaps it does.....and yep...Reagan..another 'spend and borrower' Republican had to cut expenses by shut'n down the state/gov.t run institutions in favor of more costly and private for profit ones that only those with the funding could afford for themselves or family etc.

Nancy M (147)
Monday December 17, 2012, 10:29 am
Jae, I thought so about the direction of your comment. Just adding my two cents. We have all done "dumb" things that have ended up having consequences. If seems this was one of them at the very least.

Of course, I am still waiting for that answer from Diane O.

Arielle S (313)
Monday December 17, 2012, 10:33 am
... kill the infidel in bible Deuteronomy 13:6 "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend,...." So, both the Bible and the Quran talk about killing infidels. They have many other similarities as well. Only those brainwashed by fear propaganda believe the Quran is full of hate.

JL A (281)
Monday December 17, 2012, 10:38 am
You cannot currently send a star to Arielle because you have done so within the last week.

Patrice M (84)
Monday December 17, 2012, 4:56 pm
I knew it was coming. I knew that within a day or two we would here, "It's not our fault because Obama..." Yep. The right is climbing out of the woodwork to tell us again that guns are harmless, lovely, peacable things and every horrible thing it has ever done is Obama's fault.

This time, no one else is buying that argument. We've had it.

And what does "Step down" mean, Diane?

JL A (281)
Monday December 17, 2012, 5:18 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Angelica because you have done so within the last week.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 19, 2012, 2:58 am
I don't support having rapid fire firearms. I wouldn't have one in my home because I would never think about using it. I believe hunters use this type of gun but I'm not sure because I'm not into hunting down animals. However, I do believe in owning a hand gun to protect yourself in your home when someone breaks in and threatens you and your family. Beyond that, I'm not into guns on any other level.


Magdika Cecilia Perez (131)
Wednesday December 19, 2012, 4:56 am
thank you

donnaa D (14)
Friday December 21, 2012, 5:13 pm
its very sad that guns in yr country is out of control, here in the uk we dont have them, only the occasional criminal does, and now sadly so do some special police forces.
many have copied us, and ive seen this growing albeit slowly for decades.
when a farmer, was awoken late at night he used his shot gun to stop the burglar, for this the poor farmer was sent to prison for it, and i feel sorry for him. the public as a whole dont and are not allowed guns, tho still the occasional tragedy happens here. the gun laws in the us, should be really stripped down and only allow decent mentally balanced people to own them for personal protection. or not allowed at all! the loss of those children and teachers is dreadful, and i'm so sad for you xx

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2012, 8:43 pm
Good news, Jae. I just got word that my $20 a month Obama care now has mental health care.
As a T1 diabetic, I would be dead under republican rule. OMG! Every one can read what I say!

Diane, did you just almost say you're for assault weapons ban?

Patrice M (84)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:45 pm
I think that everyone, at one time or another in their lives, gets so angry that if a gun is handy, we would potentially use it. Guns need to be less plentiful. Clearly the events of the last 6 months prove this. The NRA will have to shift it's single-minded and self-serving thinking or go down.

federico bortoletto (44)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 5:36 am

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 10:26 am
Jason, I'm all for assault weapons being banned. Not almost. Completely. I believe we have a right to own a hand gun for protection in our home. Diane Feinstein has a permit to carry a concealed for me.

Donaa, you need to google the crime rate in England and get back to us.

Jae A (316)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 11:09 am
Diane O....Donnaa live in the UK . Why should she google anything about there ..she gets the news first hand !
I really dodn't see anything to cause you to tell her to google in the first place. U.S. has 3.7 deaths by firearms per 100,000 while U.K. has .04 per 100,000. Obvisouly their laws banning guns is working way better than our guns for all when it comes to homocides by firearms.
Why talk down to her ? She was stating the fact about guns there and how it still happens,.. that someone is killed by WTF is your point Diane....????


Yulan Lawson (156)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 2:37 pm

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Sergio P (65)
Friday December 28, 2012, 10:21 am
Thanks for posting

Lisa Z (168)
Tuesday January 1, 2013, 11:42 pm
Unfreakingbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
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