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European 'No-Go' Zones: Fact or Fiction? Part 1: France


Society & Culture  (tags: No-Go' Zones, Paris, France, Moslems )

David
- 1581 days ago - gatestoneinstitute.org
A 120-page research paper documented dozens of Moslem neighborhoods "where police and gendarmerie cannot enforce the Republican order or even enter without risking confrontation, projectiles, or even fatal shootings."



   

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David E (139)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 3:00 am
No-go zones are Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims due to a variety of factors, including the lawlessness and insecurity that pervades a great number of these areas. Host-country authorities have effectively lost control over many no-go zones and are often unable or unwilling to provide even basic public aid, such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services, out of fear of being attacked by Muslim youth.
 

David E (139)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 5:01 am
Back in 2001 when we were in Paris, we walk thru a neighborhood which reminded us of Ramallah where everyone was speaking Arabic and pictures of Arafat all over the place. We walked quickly not speaking either English or Hebrew. When we mentioned it to the clerk at our hotel, he told us that even police do not enter that neighborhood. The problem was that it was not mentioned on the map we used and we saw it as a shortcut.
 

Walter F (128)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 3:15 pm
I suggest a brave Jewish boy with a death wish, don a yarmulke and wear a t shirt displaying a Star of David walk down a street in our suburb of Lakemba in Sydney ,he would experience the malice of allah's children who have taken over the area,When I was a boy it was one of the safest suburbs in Sydney thanks to our mindless immigration policy it has change completely..
 

Animae C (508)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 4:07 pm
Really?
i didn't know this & even about Sydney in my country!

T.Y. David
(& Walter)
 

Suzanne L (89)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 10:34 pm
I have heard these things from Europeans who have moved to Canada because of this.
 

Giana P (398)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 10:36 pm
This is really frightening, we just had a stabbing with 9 injured in Tel Aviv. It was a terrorist. Things are coming to a head. Who knows how it will all end. Thanks David.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday January 20, 2015, 11:56 pm
This is essentially the West's contemporary modern day version of South Africa's Apartheid. . .

There are certain areas in the UK, where if a white person ventures, they'll be the only white person there. We have a few areas in Bradford like this, and there are various roads I travel on, where the neighborhood is predominantly Asian, etc. This DOESN'T mean you can't venture in these areas; it does mean you've a rather keen awareness of yourself and your own culture and background when you venture into an area that you recognize as a little alien.

Separation is not good for our contemporary modern day world.
Sharing and understanding our differences is a whole lot more healthy for our present and future.
 

Hilary S (65)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 2:03 am
communities, especially of recent migrants, do tend to congregate in particular areas. it's a way to ward off strangeness. however, if those areas become dangerous for outsiders, that's another matter. the rule of law of the host country applies even to those enclaves. evidently many of these muslim communities act to prioritise sharia law over the laws of the land, with extremist preachers agitating violence to outsiders.
 

(0)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 4:48 am
I have lived in areas on 2 continents where there were mixed neighbourhoods. Hindus, Christians, Atheists, Sikhs etc blend in and mix quite happily and have no need for a high profile. However when a number of Muslims move in the situation changes dramatically with the appearance of Mosques announcing their arrival and the take-over of beaches and other public areas where they stamp they loudly and openly declare their religious preferences.
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 7:15 am
Soeren Kern is a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute.
- I would never trust a word from GI; as far as I am concerned, it's designed solely to spread disinformation and prejudice, which suits some people, obviously.
There are plenty of discerning people, who can spot these types of 'posts'...


Paris mayor to sue Fox News over Muslim ‘no-go zones’ reports - January 20, 2015

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo has said she plans to sue Fox News after it broadcasted incorrect reports of Paris “no go zones” governed by Sharia law, which non-Muslims are forbidden to enter and police avoid going to.

“When we’re insulted, and when we’ve had an image, then I think we’ll have to sue, I think well have to go to court, in order to have these words removed,” Hidalgo told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in an interview on Tuesday. “The image of Paris has been prejudiced, and the honor of Paris has been prejudiced.”

Hidalgo clarified which network she is planning to take to court saying: “Fox News, that’s the name.” The decision to sue the US broadcaster comes in response to multiple false reports that described several areas of Paris and some cities in the UK as “no-go zones” for non-Muslims and authorities. The reports looked at the European Muslim population and followed the Paris terrorist attacks on Charlie Hebdo satirical weekly and a kosher supermarket, which were carried out by Islamist gunmen earlier in January.

Fox News has apologized several times on air for the factual errors, saying, “we wrongly let stand unchallenged and uncorrected.” Among such reports was an interview with Nolan Peterson who was introduced as a “conflict journalist and military veteran” on air on January 10. He compared the “no-go zones” in Paris to Afghanistan, Iraq and Kashmir, India where “you see young men wearing Osama bin Laden T-shirts in a hookah shop.”

Some of the reports have since been retracted by the broadcaster, while others remain published on its website. In a January 12 report Fox News described the French “no-go” zones as “neighborhoods where neither tourists nor cops dare enter and that poor and alienated Muslims have intimidated the government into largely ceding authority over them.”

Meanwhile, in France the reports have been widely mocked by TV shows and comedian programs. One television program, “Le Petit Journal,” decided to poke some fun at the US network by sending one of its correspondents to the alleged “no-go zones” to ask the residents how dangerous these districts really are.

READ MORE: Muslims in fear: Anti-Islamist sentiments rise by 110% in France

“Have you seen some people with Ben Laden T-shirt in this area?” asked the show’s correspondent to a Belleville district resident.

“No. No,” the puzzled man replied. “PSG, Marseilles – yes,” he added referring to football shirts worn by fans.

In another episode, “Le Petit Journal” TV show sent comedian correspondents Mike and John – a parody of Fox News reporters to these allegedly dangerous areas.

The reporters joked that Paris is “the most dangerous city in the world,” filled with taxi drivers with beards like “Islamists.”

“Oh my god! A couscous!” a reporter yelled pointing to a restaurant with the Middle Eastern food sign. “Very dangerous couscous in Paris!”

RT’s Anissa Naouai addressed Fox News in her program “In the Now” urging the US broadcaster to apologize for using the Paris terror tragedy to push their own gun-law agenda.

Videos
http://rt.com/news/224555-paris-sue-fox-news/


MORE: Fox News apologizes for expert calling Birmingham ‘totally Muslim no-go zone’

January 18, 2015 18:24

A week after a self-proclaimed terrorism expert told Fox News that entire large UK cities, such as Birmingham, had been overtaken by Muslims, the US network has apologized for allowing “a factual error” on air.

“Last week on this program, a guest made a serious factual error that we wrongly let stand unchallenged and uncorrected. The guest asserted that the city of Birmingham, England, is totally Muslim and that it is a place where non-Muslims don’t go. Both are incorrect,” said Jeanine Pirro, who had interviewed Steven Emerson for her Justice with Judge Jeanine program in the wake of the deadly Charlie Hebdo attacks last week.

“The most recent census data, which is from 2011, indicates 22 percent of the population of Birmingham identify themselves as Muslim. Also, we could find no credible source that indicates Birmingham is a so-called no-go zone. We deeply regret these errors and apologize to the people of Birmingham, our viewers and all who’ve been offended.”

READ MORE: #FoxNewsFacts: Pundit who claimed Birmingham ‘100% Muslim’ mocked on Twitter

Emerson himself was forced into making almost immediate and copious apologies to “the beautiful city of Birmingham” after his comments on January 11 provoked a Twitter storm of outrage, much of it coming from the UK. The event inspired the Twitter hashtag #FoxNewsFacts under which other dubious statements were presented by users to lampoon Emerson and the network.

Even David Cameron was dragged into the scandal. The UK prime minister said on ITV News that he “choked on his porridge” when he was shown the original broadcast, and said that Emerson is “clearly a complete idiot.”

Emerson called his statements an “inexcusable error,” and agreed to donate funds to a Birmingham hospital, though did not back down from broader comments, such as claims that “there are actually Muslim religious police that actually beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn’t dress according to religious Muslim attire” in British urban centers.

The UK's 2011 census showed that there were 2.8 million Muslims in the country – about 4.4 percent of the population.

http://rt.com/uk/223839-fox-news-emerson-apology/
 

Miriam AWAY Site issues (61)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 7:18 am
Thanks for sharing! Noted!
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 7:29 am
What Bernard Cronyn claims, has been said in relation to other 'ethnic' groups, many a time. Not unusual, sometimes, for accusations to follow...
Racist undertones or exploitation of 'race'.... it depends.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 9:32 am
And undertones of anybody who crosses jb is a liar.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 9:38 am
huomattu, David ~~~
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 10:22 am
Globalization :)
 

Beth S (330)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 10:46 am
There's an excellent and very recent article I'll post here that clarifies the reality of these zones and perhaps a name that more accurately describes the reality of these areas:

Does Europe Have No-go Zones? (Pipes instead proposes "Semi-Autonomous Sectors)

by Daniel Pipes

Comments by Steven Emerson on Fox News have prompted a heated debate over whether predominantly Muslim "no-go" zones exist in Europe. On Jan. 11, Emerson said they "exist throughout Europe … they're places where the governments like France, Britain, Sweden, Germany don't exercise any sovereignty. .. you basically have zones where Shariah courts were set up, where Muslim density is very intense, where the police don't go in, and where it's basically a separate country almost, a country within a country."

Although Emerson, whom I admire for his moral courage and investigative skills, immediately apologized for his "terrible error" of saying that cities like Birmingham, England, "are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don't go," he did not address the larger question of whether no-go zones, in fact, do "exist throughout Europe" and are places where governments "don't exercise any sovereignty."

Is he right about this?

In a 2006 weblog entry, I called Muslim enclaves in Europe no-go zones as a non-euphemistic equivalent for the French phrase Zones Urbaines Sensibles, or Sensitive Urban Zones. No-go zones subsequently became standard in English to describe Muslim-majority areas in West Europe.

After spending time in the banlieues (suburbs) of Paris in January 2013, as well as in their counterparts in Athens, Berlin, Brussels, Copenhagen, Malmö, and Stockholm, however, I have had second thoughts. I found that those areas "are not full-fledged no-go zones" --- meaning places where the government had lost control of territory. No war lords dominate; Shari'a is not the law of the land. I expressed regret back then for having used the term no-go zones.

So, what are these places? A unique and as-yet un-named mix.

On the one hand, West European states can intervene anywhere and at any time in their sovereign territory. As the shoot-out in Verviers and the subsequent raids in Belgium suggest, their overwhelming advantage in force – including military, intelligence, and police – means they have not ceded control.

On the other hand, governments often choose not to impose their will on Muslim-majority areas, allowing them considerable autonomy, including in some cases the Shariah courts that Emerson mentioned. Alcohol and pork are effectively banned in these districts, polygamy and burqas commonplace, police enter only warily and in force, and Muslims get away with offences illegal for the rest of population.

The Rotherham, England, child sex scandal offers a powerful example. An official inquiry found that for sixteen years, 1997-2013, a ring of Muslim men sexually exploited – through abduction, rape, gang rape, trafficking, prostitution, torture – at least 1,400 non-Muslim girls as young as 11. The police received voluminous complaints from the girls' parents but did nothing; they could have acted, but chose not to.

According to the inquiry, "the Police gave no priority to CSE [child sexual exploitation], regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime." Even more alarming, in some cases, "fathers tracked down their daughters and tried to remove them from houses where they were being abused, only to be arrested themselves when police were called to the scene." Worse, the girls "were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children."

Another example, also British, was the so-called Operation Trojan Horse that flourished from 2007 until 2014, in which (again, according to an official inquiry), a group of school functionaries developed "a strategy to take over a number of schools in Birmingham and run them on strict Islamic principles."

What does one call Rotherham and Birmingham? They are not no-go zones, neither in terms of geography or sovereignty. This is where we – Emerson, others (such as Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal), and I stumbled. The English language lacks a readily-available term for this. And for good reason: I know of no historical parallel, in which a majority population accepts the customs and even the criminality of a poorer and weaker immigrant community. The world has never seen anything comparable to the contemporary West's blend of achievement, timidity, and guilt, of hugely superior power matched by a deep reluctance to use it.

Instead of no-go zones, I propose semi-autonomous sectors, a term that emphasizes their indistinct and non-geographic nature – thus permitting a more accurate discussion of what is, arguably, West Europe's most acute problem.

 

Beth S (330)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 11:11 am
Pretty much the highly manipulative and deliberately misrepresentative (found abundantly in the Islamist sphere) and those with difficult in cognition, critical thinking skills, conceptual and intellectual issues are usually the ones who, in desperation, use the misnomer "racist", because albeit demonstrably false, it makes for a weapon that only the equally deficient will allow to silence them.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 11:20 am
I've seen this on the news, but didn't know that about Sydney, this is so wrong, how did we let it get to this ?
 

(0)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 12:55 pm
As usual Jess your outstanding level of gross ignorance is only exceeded by your ability to discover words where none exist – what talent! You clearly in your illiteracy illustrate that you cannot distinguish the obvious difference that exists between religion and ethnicity as you manage to mysteriously find the words “ethnic” and snidely infer “racism” in my statement. I would strongly suggest you look up DNA and genes and inheritance if you want to make a positive contribution to adult discussion.
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 12:59 pm
In France they are called Zones Urbaines Sensibles....... Sensitive Urban Zones.
The unofficial estimate is that there are about 750 of them though the French government won't admit it.
Wherever there are Muslim ghettos in Europe they are springing up.and now we can add Australia to the list. Thanks Walter.
We are seeing the thin end of a very thick wedge.
 

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 1:30 pm
Noted.
 

. (5)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 1:39 pm
arigato
 

Gary L (138)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 3:32 pm
total Garbage hate mongering propaganda
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 4:03 pm
From cbn.com

" PARIS - In a northern district of Paris, a brave shopkeeper named Marie-Neige Sardin guards her newsstand like a military fort. As a white woman, she is a minority in the mostly Arab-speaking Muslim area.

Sardin has been the victim of dozens of crimes -- raped, robbed, and having acid thrown at her, as other residents try to get her to leave.

Still, Sardin -- the daughter of a French soldier -- calls her little shop "a piece of French soil inside occupied territory," and says she will not leave.

"I can't bear to tell my future grandchildren that I have done nothing to preserve our French values. So, staying here is marking our territory," she explained.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel recently admitted that multiculturalism has failed. British Prime Minister David Cameron also agreed. They were talking specifically about immigrants from the Muslim world.

The left's multicultural dream was to give Islam a special place in society, with no requirement to assimilate. But rather than bring social harmony, multiculturalism has encouraged radicalism and the spread of sharia law.

And it's creating a new tribalism with groups organizing along religious and ethnic lines.

'No Go' Zones for Natives

In cities across Europe, only a massive police presence prevents open street warfare between groups. Paris police must keep a constant vigil like their counterparts in Sweden, Denmark and Britain.

France has some 751 "No Go" zones. The French government has labeled these areas "sensitive urban zones" that are dangerous for whites and non-Muslims to enter.

French writer Guy Milliere said even the local authorities stay out of these zones.

"It means that it's the part of the country where the police don't go," he said. "The firemen don't go and even doctors and ambulance don't go, except if they have no other choice."

"And it's like that because these parts of the country are in the hands of drug traffickers, gangs and imams," he continued.

That has led to the formation of groups who want to oppose Islam and protect the white native French. In Nice, Philippe Vardon leads one of those groups called Bloc Identitaire. He told CBN News members are being trained in hand-to-hand combat.

"Our government, our politics are leading us to war," he said.

Vardon said the government treats the majority in France like a minority. They have been marginalized politically and victimized by immigrant crime.

"There is on one end, the political speech which says, 'Oh, everything is okay. It feels so good to feel the difference, to live together, everything is great. We live in harmony. It's communion. It's perfect,'" Vardon explained.

"And on the other hand, you got the truth of what people are feeling. They are feeling like foreigners in their own country," he continued.

'Anti-Islamization' Only for Show?

The French government has made high profile moves against Islamization, such as outlawing the veil. But in Marseille, CBN News witnessed Muslim women wearing full burqas in front of French police officers who did not respond to them.

CBN News team also saw Muslims blocking the streets illegally for Friday prayers.

Marseille is France's second largest city and today, is about one quarter Muslim. But there are parts of Marseille that are completely Muslim. In reality, some of the "No Go" zones function like micro states that are governed by or under the influence of Islamic sharia law.

France's Dark Future

French journalist and author Alexandre del Valle says society is slowly dividing and faces a dark future.

"We see that our society is dividing between those who are Muslim and those who are black and those who are white," he said. "Instead of the state bringing people together, people are dividing."

"It's civil war. It will not be a civil war like in Spain under Franco. It will be a kind of local civil war," del Valle added. "In fact, I think one day it will be so unbearable that the state will be obliged to send in the army."

Today in Europe, there are many victims of multiculturalism like Sardin -- people without political voices who are afraid to leave their homes. But she vows not to surrender.

"Do we want our daughters to wear veils in the future? Do we want them to live under sharia law? Do we want stoning to be practiced? No, it is not possible," she said.

"I want to be the symbol of 'No.'" she added. "The symbol of 'Stop.'"
 

Stan B (123)
Wednesday January 21, 2015, 4:07 pm
" Islamic extremists are stepping up the creation of "no-go" areas in European cities that are off-limits to non-Muslims.

Many of the "no-go" zones function as microstates governed by Islamic Sharia law. Host-country authorities effectively have lost control in these areas and in many instances are unable to provide even basic public aid such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services.

The "no-go" areas are the by-product of decades of multicultural policies that have encouraged Muslim immigrants to create parallel societies and remain segregated rather than become integrated into their European host nations.

In Britain, for example, a Muslim group called Muslims Against the Crusades has launched a campaign to turn twelve British cities – including what it calls "Londonistan" – into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves ruled by Islamic Sharia law and operate entirely outside British jurisprudence.

The Islamic Emirates Project names the British cities of Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, as well as Waltham Forest in northeast London and Tower Hamlets in East London as territories to be targeted for blanket Sharia rule.

In the Tower Hamlets area of East London (also known as the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets), for example, extremist Muslim preachers, called the Tower Hamlets Taliban, regularly issue death threats to women who refuse to wear Islamic veils. Neighborhood streets have been plastered with posters declaring "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced." And street advertising deemed offensive to Muslims is regularly vandalized or blacked out with spray paint.

In the Bury Park area of Luton, Muslims have been accused of "ethnic cleansing" by harassing non-Muslims to the point that many of them move out of Muslim neighborhoods. In the West Midlands, two Christian preachers have been accused of "hate crimes" for handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham. In Leytonstone in east London, the Muslim extremist Abu Izzadeen heckled the former Home Secretary John Reid by saying: "How dare you come to a Muslim area."

In France, large swaths of Muslim neighborhoods are now considered "no-go" zones by French police. At last count, there are 751 Sensitive Urban Zones (Zones Urbaines Sensibles, ZUS), as they are euphemistically called. A complete list of the ZUS can be found on a French government website, complete with satellite maps and precise street demarcations. An estimated 5 million Muslims live in the ZUS, parts of France over which the French state has lost control.

Muslim immigrants are taking control of other parts of France too. In Paris and other French cities with high Muslim populations, such as Lyons, Marseilles and Toulouse, thousands of Muslims are closing off streets and sidewalks (and by extension, are closing down local businesses and trapping non-Muslim residents in their homes and offices) to accommodate overflowing crowds for Friday prayers. Some mosques have also begun broadcasting sermons and chants of "Allahu Akbar" via loudspeakers into the streets.

The weekly spectacles, which have been documented by dozens of videos posted on Youtube.com (here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here), and which have been denounced as an "occupation without tanks or soldiers," have provoked anger and disbelief. But despite many public complaints, local authorities have declined to intervene because they are afraid of sparking riots.

In the Belgian capital of Brussels (which is 20% Muslim), several immigrant neighborhoods have become "no-go" zones for police officers, who frequently are pelted with rocks by Muslim youth. In the Kuregem district of Brussels, which often resembles an urban war zone, police are forced to patrol the area with two police cars: one car to carry out the patrols and another car to prevent the first car from being attacked. In the Molenbeek district of Brussels, police have been ordered not to drink coffee or eat a sandwich in public during the Islamic month of Ramadan.

In Germany, Chief Police Commissioner Bernhard Witthaut, in an August 1 interview with the newspaper Der Westen, revealed that Muslim immigrants are imposing "no-go" zones in cities across Germany at an alarming rate.

The interviewer asked Witthaut: "Are there urban areas – for example in the Ruhr – districts and housing blocks that are "no-go areas," meaning that they can no longer be secured by the police?" Witthaut replied: "Every police commissioner and interior minister will deny it. But of course we know where we can go with the police car and where, even initially, only with the personnel carrier. The reason is that our colleagues can no longer feel safe there in twos, and have to fear becoming the victim of a crime themselves. We know that these areas exist. Even worse: in these areas crimes no longer result in charges. They are left 'to themselves.' Only in the worst cases do we in the police learn anything about it. The power of the state is completely out of the picture."

In Italy, Muslims have been commandeering the Piazza Venezia in Rome for public prayers. In Bologna, Muslims repeatedly have threatened to bomb the San Petronio cathedral because it contains a 600-year-old fresco inspired by Dante's Inferno which depicts Mohammed being tormented in hell.

In the Netherlands, a Dutch court ordered the government to release to the public a politically incorrect list of 40 "no-go" zones in Holland. The top five Muslim problem neighborhoods are in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht. The Kolenkit area in Amsterdam is the number one Muslim "problem district" in the country. The next three districts are in Rotterdam – Pendrecht, het Oude Noorden and Bloemhof. The Ondiep district in Utrecht is in the fifth position, followed by Rivierenwijk (Deventer), Spangen (Rotterdam), Oude Westen (Rotterdam), Heechterp/ Schieringen (Leeuwarden) and Noord-Oost (Maastricht).

In Sweden, which has some of the most liberal immigration laws in Europe, large swaths of the southern city of Malmö – which is more than 25% Muslim – are "no-go" zones for non-Muslims. Fire and emergency workers, for example, refuse to enter Malmö's mostly Muslim Rosengaard district without police escorts. The male unemployment rate in Rosengaard is estimated to be above 80%. When fire fighters attempted to put out a fire at Malmö's main mosque, they were attacked by stone throwers.

In the Swedish city of Gothenburg, Muslim youth have been hurling petrol bombs at police cars. In the city's Angered district, where more than 15 police cars have been destroyed, teenagers have also been pointing green lasers at the eyes of police officers, some of whom have been temporarily blinded.

In Gothenburg's Backa district, youth have been throwing stones at patrolling officers. Gothenburg police have also been struggling to deal with the problem of Muslim teenagers burning cars and attacking emergency services in several areas of the city.

According to the Malmö-based Imam Adly Abu Hajar: "Sweden is the best Islamic state."


Soeren Kern

Yes, sure sounds like propaganda Gary.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 22, 2015, 1:24 am
Soon we will be strangers in our own land.When I was on holiday in Paris in 1989 I asked the travel courier how I could pay a visit to the Algerian market and she was horrified and told me that this was a dangerous area for non Muslims to go.However I I decided to go just the same I ordered a taxi and when I told the driver where I wanted to go he point blank refused saying it was to dangerous.After this I decided to walk to the market with my wife when we were about to enter the area we were stopped by a Gendarme accompanied by a policeman who turned us back saying that it was a dangerous area and if we got into trouble they would be unable to help us.After this I decided to take their advice and turned back. A shocking experience.
 

Stan B (123)
Thursday January 22, 2015, 12:19 pm
We had a very similar experience in Marseille, Alfred. Very lucky and relieved to get out in one piece.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 24, 2015, 4:45 am
Every big city has poor neighbourhoods with a high concentration of migrant workers. Those places tend to be uncomfortable regardless of the religion or ethnic background of the inhabitants. This is nothing new.
I am a white person, I am not Muslim but I was once beaten up by skinheads for being a foreigner. The kind of news that doesn't make the news.
 

Alexa R (319)
Monday January 26, 2015, 11:26 pm
This is what happens in the UK and EUROPE, I guess it does not make Anerican news, I quote:

19-year-old white, blond, blue-eyed Zac Evans was hacked to death with a machete outside a pub in Gloucester early Saturday morning in an attack that left another two men with serious injuries.

Details are yet to emerge but suspicions are that Zac may have been beheaded by an Islamic extremist.

This attack bares obvious similarities to the attack in Finland recently by a Somali immigrant who attacked three men outside a pub with a machete.

British press have as usual not given any clue as to the perpetrators identity which usually means the attacker is an immigrant, possibly Muslim.
 
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