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BBC News - Saudi Man 'Faces Spine-Op Punishment'

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A Saudi judge is reported to have asked hospitals if it is possible to cut the spinal cord of the man, found guilty of paralysing another man in a fight.


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Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 10:49 am
How discouraging. Why? What a brutal system of law. Thank you for the news.

Charmaine C (177)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 11:11 am
Shocking! An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!

Laurie IS AWAY S (128)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 12:29 pm
Expertly put, Charmaine!!!!!!!
THX Michelle :)

Saturday August 21, 2010, 2:32 pm
Very well said charmaine c!

Mandy M (13)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 4:17 pm
Thank you Michelle. What an insight, Charmaine.

Lyne F (93)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 5:10 pm

Rhonda Maness (580)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 5:30 pm
Thanks Michelle

Michael Carney (217)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 8:00 pm
Totally insane...I hope The Hospitals whom the judge asked about this, told the Judge, he was an idiot for even asking such a stupid question, let alone one of the Hospitals actually doing this...This is crazy...

Ness F (211)
Saturday August 21, 2010, 10:42 pm
Shake my head in disbelief!

Saturday August 21, 2010, 11:10 pm
Twisted! >:(

Antonio Calabria PhD (17)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 1:22 am
That's a place I would never want to visit!!

Rana Sinha (50)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 1:39 am
Ugh! Charmaine's comment is so apt.

Kerrie G (116)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 1:54 am
Noted, thanks.

Cindy C (125)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:23 am

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:49 am
Wow, they take that old eye for an eye crap right to the operating table

Gail Lopez (65)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:09 am
Incredible. Thank you, Michelle, for another horrendously unusual post. Forever surprised by humanity, um, mankind.

gail dair (0)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:12 am
Noted ty

Katie S (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:23 am
I agree with all the previous comments; this is just wrong. However I bet there are lots of people who agree with this, too many people think revenge is the best option. It's a sad state of the world.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 4:27 am
And have you heard about the poor couple who were stoned to death in Afghanistan?
"Young lovers killed by stoning in Afghanistan" -,0,2384664.story

Heartbreaking, all of these extreme punishments & outrageous, these twisted judicial systems!

The deliberate paralysis of this man is so grievous that Amnesty Internation actually suggests that he be 'flogged or caned' on the back, instead. When Amnesty comes out in support of whipping and caning you realize how horrendous the human rights situation is.

Poor people to live under such regimes.

Terry B (649)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 4:57 am
Hey, how many of you people still buy gasoline/petrol from companies that made these morally bankrupt societies wealthy?

I buy Citgo. It all comes from Venezuela. Hugo Chavez may be an obnoxious windbag, but I have not heard that he is much in favour of paralysis, beheadings, and lopping off people's hands and feet on opposite sides (Koran 5:33, 5:38)) or pouring scalding water on them (22:20).

beatrice d (124)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:04 am
No comment. This is outrageuous.

Terry B (649)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:19 am
I see that the town of Tabuk is near the Jordanian boder from where I had the distinct pleasure of pissing on Arabia.

Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:31 am
TOTALLY SICK & DEPRAVED.................

Bob Algeron (47)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 8:19 am
"He said his brother, who was left paralysed and later lost a foot, had asked a judge in Tabuk to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law."

Mohammed did not understand that under Biblical law "an eye for an eye" means full compensation of the victim - for healing, disability pension, loss of employment, paid and suffering,k and not torturing the opponent. What a pity Muslims could not make the correction since.


Terry B (649)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 11:34 am
Hey, where's our old buddy, Margaret, on this thread? I am sure she would find some way to blame Israel.

Katie S (79)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 11:39 am
Terry B.: I don't buy petrol at all as I refuse to own a car.

kaisuorvokki m (26)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:40 pm
Horrible, just horrible. .

Louis Peluso (3)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:43 pm

Joan Edwards (9)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:47 pm
While I'm not shocked by this I am still disgusted. This is nothing new as they have been doing it for eons. I doubt if anything will change. That's their way of life.

"Oh Canada..."

Anne Austin (1)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:48 pm
It is a sad thing that some parts of the world are still hanging on to ancient ritualistic customs

Charlene Rush (2)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:54 pm
Possibly, I didn't want to believe that Saudi Arabia was such a sadistic society, but it is becoming apparent that we cannot deny the barbarism of their customs. Of course, this person should be punished; but, should the punishment be as brutal as his crime?

Margaret Skinner (94)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 12:56 pm

liz j (53)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 1:07 pm
And they want to bring Sharia Law to the UK... !! Please remember this is not Islam this is an interpretation of Islam. Just as we have interpretations of other religions. The wacky brigade always seem to get control. It is up to the rest of us to stop the wacky interpretations from dominating . That said, any doctor who goes ahead and paralyses someone deliberatly would be breaking the hypocratic oath. ''First do no harm' .

. (0)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 1:21 pm
Noted, thanks for the article.

Carolyn Munro (37)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 1:27 pm
Thank God we live in a country that is at least sane and not cruel like those countries

No wonder so many try and come to US and Canada where we are not crazy

Barry Manther (0)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:03 pm
The Death penalty and water boarding is SANE??? Think again about this country not being cruel.

Kris B (136)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:29 pm
Hate brings more hate.

Len Forster (12)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:39 pm
Even among the Wahabi Muslims of Saudi Arabia, there are those who go over the top. This is one of those times. At least the judge didn't order some gorilla with a machete to do it.

Ria T (6)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:41 pm
Wingnuts are cropping up all over. Right on Barry Manther. Couldn't agree with you more.
And, Kris.B., with you too. And liz j.
I have to watch how my own anger and small feelings crop up.
May we all be kind to each other and ourselves. Blessed be.

Sherry H (67)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:41 pm
The reason I don't believe in death penalty, is because we're always finding out that every bit of evidence is not brought into the courtroom, and too often, when you get to read all the rest of the story later, the one accused is actually innocent. Why a jury for show, when evidence is being deliberately kept from you. What a mockery. A jury cannot make an honest verdict. As for water boarding-if it is to get information from the enemy who would just as soon behead you, so be it.

Sherry H (67)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 2:44 pm
But does it matter to a Saudi doctor about breaking the oath? Their religion (or political movement) comes first.

Tamila F (3)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:04 pm
We are not God, it may seem like a fair punishment, but lord have mercy, no.

Elizabeth Feller (0)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:08 pm
I cannot believe how they think this type of punishment is just and that the Judge would try to find a Dr who would actually perform this hideous surgery.

Margareta Broscoi (0)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:21 pm
They are so behind.If only they will read the BIBLE they will know that JESUS CHRIST said LOVE YOUR ENEMY...
Anyway CRUEL,but what about their women and children ? IT IS THE MAN'S COUNTRY...They are the ones they have the rights the rest of the world is crooked in their eyes.EVIL IS HERE ON THIS EARTH, HE IS TAKING PLEASURE IN HURTING, and these ARABS are so easy to be used .
They talk a lot about GOD but GOD IS LOVE... where is their love?
People Stop saying that Americans are cruel they are just little babies in comparison with these MONSTERS.
THANK GOD that I wasn't born in one of these countries...

pam w (139)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:26 pm
Liz...."Please remember this is not Islam this is an interpretation of Islam. Just as we have interpretations of other religions"

OF COURSE IT IS ISLAM! Don't try to excuse it (or any other religion) by claiming it's only "some" of a religion--who is to say it is less than a full, authorized interpretation of Islamic law? Ask the Saudis if it's Islam or not...see what they say.

A thing is the sum of all its parts...and this is a part of Islam.

Mary Latela (3)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:28 pm
Barbarian. What will we do to make justice in our corner of the world.

Mark H (44)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:28 pm
Dude: I KNOWWWWW! We use doctors and phsychologists torturing folks. Maybe one of our schools trained the doctor who should earn disbarring for touching this. Thank you for this disturbing article.

Clifton Jackson (124)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:39 pm

Sandy G (35)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:51 pm

Bonni Fellows (24)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 3:59 pm
This is beyond words.

Dennis Cooney (11)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:01 pm
This is no different than the old saying, "An eye for an eye....." In India if they catch a thief they cut off the thierfs right hand. If they catch the same thier a second time, they take the left hand also. I wonder if they keep doing this until the thief begins to thinkk, "Maybe I should not steal any longer". DUH!
Now would'nt it get interesting if they caught a rapist Gee, I wonder what they would cut off?? DUH?
All of you that seem so alarmed, if the person raped a family member how barbaric or awful would it be then?
Something to think about, huh troops
Dennis C. Cooney, USN Retired, Vietnam Veteran-3 tours

Terry B (649)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:19 pm
Sherry H. makes a good point.

Can a practising mohammedean even take the Hippocratic Oath to enter the medical profession in civilized countreis?

Well, yes they can, accoriding to their own system of superstition, which encouraging lying to "infidels", as it were a Hypocritcal Oath.

But no, not to the rest of us. I wouldn't trust one as far as I can throw a Buick.

Marilyn K (50)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 5:29 pm
Punishment for a crime should not be issued from the thoughts of one judge. There should be humane laws that rule. If you make this punishment a rule then your society changes from human beings to savages.

Gloria H (88)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 6:21 pm
what goes around comes around. I think a more fitting punishment would be to make the man serve the other for the rest of HIS life. Wiping his butt using the eat- with- right- hand, feed him, wheel him around, change his diaper, dress him,read the Quran to him, etc and IF he doesn't do it with compassion and care....then drop him off at the hospital. If the offender has his spinal cord severed some poor soul (maybe his wife) would have to do all the mentioned above for him. Not fair for her either!

Teresa K (33)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:27 pm
sadly noted, thanks!

Valerie S (70)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 7:47 pm
Shocking! Noted.

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 8:33 pm
I honestly do not know what to say. On one hand it is barbaric but on the other his victim is living that horrid life because of him.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 8:56 pm
Thanks Michelle. Interesting discussion. This penalty sounds a bit like capital punishment for murderers.

pam w (139)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 9:04 pm
On the other hand...two young people who were in each others company without a chaperone were recently stone to death in Afghanistan. Apparently, it's not always "tit for tat," so to speak.

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 9:17 pm
Noted, thanks.

Ralph F (70)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 9:35 pm
Some people are still waiting for evolution to kick-in, apparently.

Sunday August 22, 2010, 9:49 pm
A Saudi judge is reported to have asked hospitals if it is possible to cut the spinal cord of the man, found guilty of paralysing another man in a fight.

Amnesty said intentionally paralysing someone would constitute torture.

Under Islamic law in Saudi Arabia, retribution sentences can include eye-gouging and, for murder, beheading.

These are the people developing nuclear weaponry?

Love your enemies, bless them that cuse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. Matthew 5:44

Yep! Pray that they be given wisdom and compassion. Pray that angels guard us (and them) against the evil that they would do. Pray that they shall receive healing to their souls and be blessed with the spirit of love.

A psychiatrist did a study on killers. She found every killer had been badly abused as a child. This was also true of their executioners. Let us pray that our enemies be healed of their pain and baptized into the joy of love.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost........ Hebrews 7:25

Sharon S (31)
Sunday August 22, 2010, 10:24 pm
How stupid to incapacitate a person so he becomes a burden to the rest of society. Now you have 2 people who need welfare. At the least, lawbreakers could do the work that nobody else wants to do.

Stan B (123)
Monday August 23, 2010, 2:34 am
Sharia Law!!! Coming to your country very soon. Unless your government has the courage and the will to stop it.

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Monday August 23, 2010, 4:27 am
I wonder whether such brutal punishments are in fact a deterrent? It would be interesting to do an objective study, though of course it would be impossible, as no one would admit to wrong doing to a researcher and risk such punishments.
I suspect that the crime rate would be similar and that these "revenge" punishments do nothing except double the amount of suffering in society.

Joy W (100)
Monday August 23, 2010, 4:35 am

Terry B (649)
Monday August 23, 2010, 4:44 am
We keep complaining that the arabians are in the tirtheenth century.

Remember that according to their calendar, this IS the thirteenth century.

KAREN L (10)
Monday August 23, 2010, 5:02 am
same old story

Lynda G (123)
Monday August 23, 2010, 5:05 am
Perhaps it's my autistic-wired brain, but I don't understand something here. The majority of comments are horrified and disgusted by this archaic punishment, but when commenting on an animal abuse story, I read "an eye for an eye" and horrifying descriptions of how the offender should be punished.

I'm totally opposed to Sharia Law, and I don't believe in 'an eye for an eye', but I am finding it a little hard to find compassion for a man who hacked into another man's spine with a meat cleaver.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 23, 2010, 7:46 am
Now I see why Christianity was such a step forward for humanity. Christian countries do make mistakes but God save us from this alternative.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 23, 2010, 7:47 am
So many times I have said that is what should happen here when someone does a horrible thing but it doesn't change anything just as the death penalty doesn't do anything but kill another person.

Sharia's Law is horrible and that is so backward "an eye for an eye" does nothing but the person on the same level as the person who committed the crime in the first place but this is such sensitive subject.

You can imagine what they do their women that committ a crime of taking off of their vails all of their laws just don't make any sense at all.

Katie S (79)
Monday August 23, 2010, 11:58 am
There are people who've commented: what if this was a rapist who'd raped one of your family members? or an animal abuser etc. etc.
My response would still be the same - I do not believe in an 'eye for an eye'.

courtney b (0)
Monday August 23, 2010, 3:08 pm
Ok downright disgusting. never ever go to that country thats for sure! im scared!

anne Barusta (0)
Monday August 23, 2010, 3:46 pm
stunning that this decision comes from a judge

Edward M (8)
Tuesday August 24, 2010, 2:02 am
It really brings to light what a sick Country this is.
If the punishment was for the perpetrator to assist this injured man for an indefinite time, it would be more understandable.
What is the point of making two invalids from one incident, the outcome of which was possibly accidental.

paul l (2)
Thursday September 9, 2010, 12:05 am
Typical of Islamic law, isn't it.
The old testament was talking about an eye for an eye but I thought we were living in better times!

ChanTlalok Rain C (363)
Tuesday September 21, 2010, 7:29 pm
thanx Michelle, Lova U, God Bless, good comments
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