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Cult Leader to Be Retired on Rape Accomplish Charges


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Kit
- 3280 days ago - splcenter.org
A proponent of multiple wives, polygamous prophet Warren Jeffs appears destined to have multiple trials. The Utah Supreme Court on Tuesday reversed Jeffs' two convictions on charges of rape as an accomplice and ordered that he be tried again.



   

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MICHELLE S (101)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 4:19 pm
What an as*hole!!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 4:42 pm
Seems like the US Supreme Court isn't the only supreme court making outrageous decisions. At least the perverted racist is still in jail...and hope he rots there.
 

Kit B (276)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 5:15 pm
There are things I would wish on this man and all of his followers, but that would be just too ugly to say. Forced marriage of very young girls, beatings, and rape; all a part of daily life for these brain washed girls.
 

Alicia V (181)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 11:55 pm
What an specimen! Hopefully he won't reproduce.
 

pam w (139)
Friday July 30, 2010, 12:36 am
Is ANYONE surprised by this? The Mormons run Utah.
 

. (0)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:39 am
I'm not entirely surprised, Pam.
 

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:20 am
I can't understand the people that fallow him as though he were God himself.
 

catherine s (3)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:13 am
I hope he pays the penalty for his crimes
 

Kit B (276)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:19 am
Time and the court system will tell us what happens to this creep, who has already reproduced many times with many girls!
 

Cindy C (125)
Friday July 30, 2010, 10:11 am
THE STINKING RAT HOW DARE HE RETIRE, HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE, THE HORRIBLE DIRTY SCUMBAG.
 

lorraine c (16)
Friday July 30, 2010, 10:49 am
It seems like a huge waste of the taxpayer's money but if that's what it takes to keep that predator locked up, so be it.
 

Jen S (121)
Friday July 30, 2010, 1:24 pm
I'm both surprised and pleased, if not optimistic that this evil, perverted man will be retried. However, I have severely limited faith in the Utah judicial system; this is far from the first such case to be lost because of minute judicial error. Whether these instances were deliberate or not, there are a number of them and they raise suspicion. I'm not at all optimistic this child/young woman will receive justice in Utah. Mormon history, and the religion itself, in all of its bizarrre manifestations, color the culture, the judicial system and women fare very badly there. Frankly, I have rather more hope that the charges in Texas may render something closer to the penalties he deserves. In the interim, I can only hope the second trial in Utah gives this young woman something approaching justice; if not this one, then the third or a succession of expensive and public trials until Jeffs is punished. And at some point, I'd very much like to see her parents also prosecuted as accomplices...but I'm a vindictive person who takes an extremely dim view of raping young girls.
 

Suzan F (137)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:39 pm
Let him rot in prison. I hope he gets what he gave those girls. That guy is nothing more than a sick, perverted child molester, & anybody who supports him or thinks he's innocent should rot right along with him.
 

Ron Avila (20)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:48 pm
may justice prevail
 

Randy L Benson (65)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:00 pm
Cynthia, to a very great extent, most people WANT someone to tell them what to do.

sometimes, it's in politics. sometimes, it's in normal group activities. sometimes, it's fun. and sometimes, it's in religion.

Erich Fromm spoke of this in his psychoanalytic works after WW II, specifically 'Escape From Freedom' and 'Man For Himself'.

there is, in many people, a need to have someone else make the decisions, some central authority. there are biological, as well as psychological and cultural reasons for this. religion is one expression of it.

the problem is that there appears to be a correlation between positions of authority and psychotic or psychopathic behavior. this seems to be so regardless of the type of heirarchy, but most predominantly among political and religious authorities. . .which explains many of our troubles, past and present.

an interesting thing about this is that it is psychotic behavior which is APPROVED OF by its followers. the number of followers doesn't necessarily count, except insofar as they are blindly, fanatically loyal to the leader figure, whom can do no wrong.

the problem is that the authority figure goes over the edge at times. then you get a Charles Manson, David Koresh, Jim Jones, or Warren Jeffs; or perhaps a Richard Nixon ("If the President does it, then it is legal".)

I don't count George W Bush, because he was a puppet and a tool, which he realized in 2006. up until then, we had been living under the Cheney-Rumsfield Administration. in 2006, Bush's eyes finally started to open, and he quit taking Cheney's word as gospel. Rumsfield left months later; but it was far too little, too late.

I suppose that many in the Republican party now realize this.

Rumsfield ruled DOD in the charismatic way, demanding loyalty and stifling dissent among the military. Cheney, however, could never achieve it. after Reagan left, no one wanted Cheney as a presidential pick, so he went to Halliburton. Once Bush picked him as VP, though, he was able to influence Bush in a way that made him the 'real power behind the throne'.

Bush was, is, and remains a college cheerleader. He failed at everything else he ever did.

now. . .as to Jeffs. . .we're trying to get him extradited here to Texas, where he built a fortress. i'm not sure of the charges against him, but offhand, i'd say it wouldn't look good for him.

one thing i do know is that, if convicted, he'll have an interesting time in the Texas Penal system. even our mass murderers take a dim view of child molesters, and those molesters don't live all that safely. . .or long. . .
 

Catrina Velez (46)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:15 pm
Disgusting creep, using religion as an excuse to collect as many wives as he can and then force this pattern on young girls, to indulge his ugly old cronies. But Joseph Smith, who founded the Mormons, did the same damn thing. Finally, in 1898, long after Smith was murdered by a mob, the Mormon Church officially abandoned polygamy. But, many polygamous families moved south of the border to Sonora, or kept at it right where they were, disguising themselves to the outside world. Some of these cults still wear 19th century clothing and have armed guards to chase strangers away. If law enforcement does not arrest and prosecute these home-grown polygamists, we will soon be overrun with Islamics claiming the "right" to do the same thing! Oh, so you think that everybody has the "right" to live according to their own religion and culture? Well, tell that to the innocent girls who were forced into polygamous marriages, or to children who were sold into betrothals before the age of six, or to victims of female circumcison. It's always girls and women who are victimized the most and "religious freedom" is NO EXCUSE.
 

Randy L Benson (65)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:36 pm
Catrina, some of their members are in law enforcement. they help protect the church and its leaders.

i think they might've had a better case filing federal violations under the 13th and 14th Amendments, pertaining to slavery or involuntary servitude.
 

Carmen S (69)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:41 pm
They should also charge him for being a pedophile. That alone should put him in prison for a long, lonmg time since he has how many wives?
 

Kendra richards (4)
Friday July 30, 2010, 11:06 pm
SORRY A** S.O.B.! As a rape victim, I am so angered over this and i hold some hatred against ppl like this! its sick POLYGAMY is sick nobody could possibly be happy this way unless they just dont know the true meaning of happiness but rapists, he needs to be done the same way he done these poor women. man it pisses me off!
 

patricia lasek (317)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:18 am
What a crock! He needs to be in prison for the rest of his life. The DOJ is all screwed up!
 

Mike M (8)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:52 am
A scumbag leading the stupid and the innocent are the victims. He just needs someone to make him see the light with a brick
 

Terry B (649)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:59 am
Salt Lake City, Utah is four four-letter words. Nothing good has ever come out of it.

When I lived in northern Nevada, one of our popular t-shirts said, "SMILE, You could be in Utah."

The Fraud State. Only got into the Union when they promised to give up polygamy, but they didn't. It is estimated that over 30,000 of them are still living in Utah, plus Jeffs' gang just over the line in Arizona. The founder of the moron -- er, mormon -- cult, Joey Smith, Jr. was a polygamist, as was his follower Brigand -- er, Brigham -- Young.
 

Tom Johnson (3)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:38 am
Who in hell wrote the story headline?
I thought the cult was forcing him into retirement.
But no he is to be retried. JEEEZ
My lawyer friend and I just last night were talking about how marginally literate so many seem to be.
Am I the first person to catch this? I find errors like this offensive.
 

Kit B (276)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:26 am
FYI: As your attorney friend must know the term "retired" in this case refers to the legal status of the case. If you read the complete article and then do a little personal research, perhaps the neither title or use of the word "retire" will be so offensive to you. The Southern Law Poverty Center and Hate Watch are not just using terms that have no use in legal basis.

From the article:

"After spending nearly two years on the run, Jeffs was tried in 2007, convicted and sentenced to two consecutive sentences of five years to life in prison. The charges stemmed from his arranging the marriage of an unwilling 14-year-old girl, Elissa Wall, to her 19-year-old cousin, Allen Steed, in 2001. Wall testified at Jeffs’ trial that she implored him to release her from the marriage. Instead, he instructed her to give herself to Steed “mind, body and soul, and obey him without question,” she said. That action by Jeffs was the source of the second rape as an accomplice count filed against him. The first was alleged to have occurred soon after Wall and Steed were married and first had sex.

It was Jeffs who performed her marriage ceremony to Steed, Wall testified at trial, ordering her to “go forth and replenish the Earth and raise good priesthood children.”
The law under which Jeffs was charged states that the victim must be younger than 18 years, and “the actor” must be in a position of special trust with the victim. Jeffs’ attorney argued on appeal that the jury instruction should have focused on Steed’s “position of special trust” with Wall rather than that of Jeffs.

The Utah Supreme Court agreed. “The state interprets the term ‘actor’ to mean the defendant,” the court opined. “We conclude that the state’s interpretation is erroneous.” The opinion added, “We regret the effect our opinion today may have on the victim of the underlying crime, to whom we do not wish to cause additional pain. However, we must ensure that the laws are applied evenly and appropriately, in this case as in every case.”

Defense attorney Bugden said that prosecutors tried Jeffs on a “far-fetched legal theory” and that “it would be very difficult for them to meet their burden of proof” if there is a retrial. But Jeffs won’t be going anywhere soon. He still faces criminal charges in Texas in connection with his own alleged marriages to underage girls in 2005. The judge has denied him bail in that case, Bugden said. There also remains a federal indictment stemming from his time as a fugitive on the Utah charges."

Please continue to look for more information about Warren Jeffs and his current legal status. I doubt that Texas will be so lenient with his outrageous behavior. If you have followed this case, then you know that this group in Texas are being watched and monitored, the children of the very young mothers now are returned to the parents from child welfare, in keeping with statues, however the state wants a prosecution for criminal acts by Warren Jeffs and the all the men involved.

BTW...Warren Jeffs has also "retired" from his position as leader of this sect of *FCJCLS. I guess he is hoping this to be a form of CYA in his next legal battles.

*Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:49 am
Can I retire him ?....it will be permanent tough !
 

Ricardo C (66)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:56 pm
Separation of Church and State is the norm in America. A Church cannot violate your constitutional rights. Concerning our rights, a Church cannot go above the law to violate your constitutional rights. Not even a "prophet" can violate your constitutional rights! Oh, Lord, where are you?



 

Kit B (276)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 7:40 pm
Ricardo, all that sounds good, but this self proclaimed prophet did just that. When very young girls are forced to "marry" men 3and4 times their age, men who already have wives, all of their rights are trampled and sadly the girls don't even know the difference. Some say ignorance is bliss; I say it's dangerous.
 

Terry B (649)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 8:12 pm
One aspect of the polygamist settlements that is not often discussed is the fate of the "surplus" male children who end up homeless and wandering the streets of Las Vegas and Los Angeles. Jeffs and his ilk couldn't take the competition and live by the old philosophy---

One good bull is half the hers.
 

Terry B (649)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 8:14 pm
herd.
 

Kit B (276)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:03 pm
Yes, Terry that is also true. We have a large compound in Texas, it was raided, the children taken into custody and we all noticed the males were mid to late 40s at the youngest with average being in the late 60s. One did not see young men, but many young girls with babies.
 

pam w (139)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:48 am
TERRY...."Salt Lake City, Utah is four four-letter words. Nothing good has ever come out of it." BINGO! This is what happens when a church runs a state.
 

April Thompson (2)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 2:20 pm
He will go to Hell!
 

Animae C (508)
Wednesday August 4, 2010, 6:32 am
prophet??
 

Kit B (276)
Wednesday August 4, 2010, 6:36 am
Yes, he is a self declared prophet, therefore the group leader and then will appoint the new prophet.
 

Lyn henry (19)
Wednesday August 4, 2010, 6:03 pm
Hope he rots in prison
 

Sharon Balloch (127)
Thursday August 5, 2010, 1:53 pm
Nasty piece of work that piece of garbage.. tossing him in the can is the best thing they can do with him..
 
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