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Fuzzy Privatization Math

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So, the sunny claims of big savings for the people of New Jersey are a guestimate, at best. and "To Be Decided" is the most accurate statement in the report.


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Marco C (31)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 5:11 pm
Well done Kit,
Here is again a classic example of how our government officials pull the wool over the taxpayers eyes and line the pockes of their friends and supporters. They count on us to believe them at their word and not follow up.

Slip shod government fleecing the taxpayers yet again. As a New Jersey resident I will have to send a reminder to our little friends in the capitol that this type of governing doesn't fly any more.

Kit B (276)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 5:55 pm

Thanks Marco, maybe sent it on to your governor as well. He seems a bit attached to fuzzy math.

Very few poor teachers make it past the first couple of years, they either don't care for the hours, or get too much pressure from those Union people to move on. Unions are the only reasons teachers have a salary that allows them to stay in teaching. Loving a profession is not enough, bills have to paid by teachers too.

Mike S (86)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 6:28 pm
Great article! Thank you very much Kit.

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 8:19 pm
Voodoo economics always works for RepubliCONs of faith!;)

Louise D (44)
Monday March 21, 2011, 7:11 am
Many of the private sectors jobs have less security thatn the public sector so there is always the perverse logic that the private sector is better than the public. The economic theory of the private sector appears to be thought up by th Underpants Gnomes as many tend to be nothing more than old boy networks.

Past Member (0)
Monday March 21, 2011, 8:26 am
Do you really think that the motor vehicle department in most states would not improve dramatically if outsourced, or road repairs / construction, or just about anything? The government would retain control of policy decisions but the management of the work is so much better suited to private companies. Even in schools does this hold true. Yes, some of it could be done in the Public sphere, but it has not. New Jersey's problem is based on too many municipalities, simplify that, eliminate the over heads, productivity increases without touching 1 teacher.

Kit B (276)
Monday March 21, 2011, 8:55 am

No I do not think that privatization of any public project would improve. The most important fact we have and continue to ignore is that the private sector does and will need to make ever increasing profits. Two of our local and needed thoroughfares in Dallas (east-west) are now toll only roads. I know many that tell me of their struggle to now get to work and avoid the unneeded expense. Our taxes built the roads, our taxes will continue to support the roads, yet we must pay a toll. Those tolls will continue and increase if privatized.

patricia lasek (317)
Monday March 21, 2011, 9:42 am
They just can't see the forest for the trees.

Kit B (276)
Monday March 21, 2011, 9:54 am

Nope, Patricia the forest and the trees are fuzzy when there are dollar signs in your eyes.

Kit B (276)
Monday March 21, 2011, 11:26 am

Just not true. Those "bad apples" are just another gambit to have people look at the negatives in education. I'm sure an occasional stinky, rotten apple finds it's way to running some of the largest investment firms, hedge funds,banks, corporations and holding high political office. This is just another defection. Looking for ways to make the only source of protection teachers have, the unions, seem to fit that poorly painted image. Where does the money go in education? Paying all those high priced greedy teachers or to filling buildings of actually high priced and mostly unnecessary administration? Of course, administration which is where most of those who can not cope with a classroom, move to grab more money, status and much better retirement/health benefits. Just more nonsense based on prejudicial thinking and not facts.

Past Member (0)
Monday March 21, 2011, 2:51 pm
Modern day "privatization" has been going on since Rothschild introduced the idea to Thatcher and Reagan. Our military budget is a prime example of "privatization", and even includes mercenaries, (Blackwater/XE, Tripple Canopy, Wackenhut, etc.). There has Never been a savings!! It always was, and still is, cheaper to do things under the "government umbrella", because the private sector Always seeks maximum profits.
Just look at cities and their water supplies. Sure, those that are private, may charge the local government less, but the individual consumer's water bill is Always much more than government-operated water systems.
Privatization is a corporate scam to steal power and money from "we the people".

William Y (54)
Monday March 21, 2011, 3:31 pm
All privatization does is give more money to the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday March 21, 2011, 3:38 pm
Thanks Kit.

I am constantly amazed that anybody suggests that system A is better/cheaper/more efficient etc. than system B, without having any evidence whatsoever to back it up--mathematical or otherwise. As many people do so this post should be publicised far and wide.

Ray M (0)
Monday March 21, 2011, 4:45 pm
Greedy repugs favorite issue. This way they can destroy unions and public employees, pay slave wages with NO BENEFITS, get rid of the 40 hour work week, no overtime, no coffee breaks, reduce or no lunch hour, work 6 days a week and maybe 7 if they so choose. Forget about pensions. Wake up, America. They're bound and detemined to get rid of what American workers have fought long and hard for these past 100 years. Oh, wait, theire's more, they want to get rid of SS and medicare too. Yay! More profits for them, zilch for American workers.

Patricia Geller (34)
Monday March 21, 2011, 4:46 pm
Noted, thanks.

Doug C (51)
Monday March 21, 2011, 5:00 pm
Goverment run = working to provide a service. Private run = working to create a profit. Ergo the first thing done when privatizing is cancel upgrades or improvements. Next is firing all the senior employees you can and replacing them with neophytes who will have to work longer hours. Next is pay the bosses huge bonuses. If yu do not believe this is so just look at Britain or Texas and soon New Jersey.

Lionel G. (4)
Monday March 21, 2011, 8:19 pm
Privatizing is a fancy word for what in plain, honest English is called stealing.

Susanne R (236)
Monday March 21, 2011, 11:08 pm
Of course Chris Christie is in favor of privatization! Like Scott Walker of Wisconsin, he intends to do everything he can to break up public sector unions. In fact, he's already censured public sector unions at National Governors' Association Meetings! Be careful what you wish for. Privatization comes with a price. Without government regulation, we're at the mercy of large corporations. What's happened to the public sector unions of Ohio and Wisconsin is a very sorry thing. I believe this is primarily the work of the Tea Party, and I hope it comes back to bite them in the ass! They've created enough hate and dissension in this country!

William R (20)
Tuesday March 22, 2011, 12:32 pm
It always cost more when the private sector does the work, especially if its a repub firm. Its time to throw the tea party in the bay they need a bath anyway. Every time the government gives the private sector a job to study something it cost the tax payer more than if the government workers did the job.

Deborah L (70)
Wednesday March 23, 2011, 3:14 am
Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has privatized most of the prisons in her state and wants them all privatized. Since she has let this happen it has cost more money than state run prisons and the private ones have a much higher incident of escapees from those prisons. I believe that 6 inmates ran at the same incident, her track record is poor.

Bush really brought the privatize everything out in the open. It cost more, but hey, those are his buds that he is making richer on our backs. Regulation, who needs it and besides it cost to much to do things the right way and it might cut into my excess money supply that I use to light my cigars with.Plus look at all the shoddy work KBR and Halliburton has done in Iraq. Why we even have showers that electrify you, literally.

This country is going down fast. I would like to know how these idiots who will be getting the kickbacks from forcing Americans to have to purchase their now public worker jobs services when we don't have enough jobs for those who need them now. If you don't have the money for every single thing that the taxes we pay to cover those services we currently have, what will they do? I bet it will get real smelly in New Jersey come summer time when the trash hasn't been collected because Chris Christey want to privatize it to save taxpayer money. Ha!

Kit B (276)
Wednesday March 23, 2011, 4:36 am

I apologize for not remembering the name of the man he is however, a member of the Illinois republican party and found himself very concerned about the drastic situation with transplants in AZ. Through friends he obtained the needed budget documents, and found 26 ways to pay for the transplants without disrupting or adding to the current AZ budget. As of the most recent information (last week) the AZ governor still has not looked at this plan. This indicates something beyond just budget woes.

Even if you are not a resident of AZ - please write to Jan Brewer and demand she review and implement this alternative budget, human life must come before balanced budgets, no less then 4 people have died while she whines about lack of money..

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 23, 2011, 9:40 am
Any halfway competent CPA can "prove" any conclusion based on any set of data. It all depends on how you interpret the numbers. This lazy (or is it arrogant) Privatization Task Force didn't even have the smarts to TRY to phoney up their report. They threw out their conclusion first then didn't even bother to misrepresent any facts to back it up. They would transfer thousands of public employees from productive jobs to the unemployment lines and give their salaries to private companies who may not be able to do the jobs even equally well. Governments WON'T save money (or lower taxes) because they will have to pay out all that "saved" cash for unemployment benefits and other state programs to support all the people they just fired. The only guaranteed result is that, as Robert Orlando and William Y. pointed out, the consumer will end up paying more for less.

John S.: I don't know how they do it in the U.K., but where I live road construction and public works projects are already contracted out to private companies. As for the Motor Vehicle Department (MVD), many of the MVD offices are run by private contractors. These Motor Vehicle Express offices don't offer all the services you can get at the state-run MVD locations, the waits in queue are just as long, their inefficiency is legendary, and you have to pay a fee ($15 a couple of years ago; don't know what it is now.) for the privilege of having them screw everything up.

Deborah L.: Don't get me started on Jan Brewer.
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