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Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Revolution

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"You can only do so much when the system is so corrupt. You can help people find peace in their lives, but when it's within a corrupt system? It's hard to find peace."


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Kit B (276)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 5:19 pm

As more city officials use their power to force out the OWS movement, the movement becomes more of a collective. Use it, share it, fix and reuse. Try as they might the PTB seem to be losing to the power of people. In real communities people know one another, care about each other and offer to share what they have to those who have less.

Kit B (276)
Saturday December 10, 2011, 5:20 pm

**PTB - Powers That Be aka the 1% that think they own us.

Terry King (113)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 11:58 am
Unfortunately, at present, we are looking at no revolution at all. The occupy movement, although well meaning, is too splintered and disjointed to be more than a minor annoyance to the Oligarchy1

Vallee R (280)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 12:56 pm
Yes Terry - but we can prevail - everyone needs to take steps and talk and talk and tell and do - we have to eep hope but we have to have action!

Kamila A (141)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 1:18 pm
I keep swinging from feeling hopeless to afraid to excited to just getting sober about the inevitable revolution. The way things are, if there is no revolution, then the PTB (thank you for that acronym, Kit!, I will use it now) will take every single thing away from us. This is beyond paranoia when you see their candidates that are actually jokes-----they don't even have enough respect for us to pretend any longer. They think we are fools. Maybe we are, and judging by all the stupid people who follow FOX & Co. I get very angry and then depressed. Could it be that we actually deserve this demise of our civilization?

No. I don't think so.

I will not take this sitting down. I would like to do a brain-storming session with college kids and start a peaceful revolution behind the OWS physical presence soon. Everyone can do things like this in their localities. Go to your local legislators and speak with them. They must represent us. Our country needs to find leaders like Elizabeth Warren, Grayson, Sanders, in every place, who are raised to places of power because they get the big picture and have the ability to lead the people toward positive changes and away from the PTB. We are each more powerful than we realize when we begin. MLK was one man. Nelson Mandela was one man, and so was Hitler. Its up to each of us, and I hope we all stand up soon.

Kamila A (141)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 1:23 pm
By the way, perhaps the demise of this civilization is not such a bad outcome. After all, this so-called "civilization" is the one that rolled over the indigenous people and tore families apart with the advent of the industrial revolution (now we could live apart from our loved ones) and then seduced us with capitalistic lies and banksters that played games and puppeteers that acted like presidents and leaders led--------perhaps this 2012 will not be the end of the world, but the end of the world as we know it. A Zen Buddhist monk said that. I think there is something of truth within those words. We need to begin the creating of a new world now.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 6:33 pm
OWS, The ''Arab Spring'', the protests in Greece, Italy etc, etc, etc, are all related insofar they are symptoms of the problems that are systemic in our societies.

People around the world are sick and tired of the sharply stratified societies that we have created for ourselves.

Yes, we are all responsible for the societies we live in: The 1% for being predatory. The 99% for being complacent.

I'm greatly encouraged that the 99% are waking up, and are taking action.

East/West. North/South. Organized/Disorganized. People are waking up. And the world will never be the same.

We can change the world. We can make it better. We must never give up.


Terry King (113)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 6:40 pm
FOCUS! If we are to succeed, we must do i!

Carmen S (611)
Monday December 12, 2011, 8:47 am
noted, thanks Kit

Kristen H (25)
Monday December 12, 2011, 10:46 am
Thanks for that. I have an eerie sense that somewhere, somehow, the Emporer Nero is playing his fiddle...

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 10:58 am
There is a time for peace.

And there is a time to fight
that there may be peace.

Claudia O (73)
Monday December 12, 2011, 3:49 pm
Terry, I understand your frustration, but part of the strength of the OWS is the diversity and the 'collectiveness' of the movement. Making demands for a list of demands is not going to be constructive. We must all do what we see is needed and there are too many needs to list. Where the strength lies is in each of us to pick up a cause and get to work.

Hartson Doak (39)
Monday December 12, 2011, 5:32 pm
The ((% globally knows that there is something wrong with the governments around the world. Dictatorships or "elected" corrupt government do not take people into their views . The people have come to realize that they have the power not the government. They can replace the government, peacefully or not. But the government can be replaced. Here in the US the lie has been stated for centuries. The home of the free is BS. The 1% has made us wage slaves. But that was ok when they allowed us to make gains. But after Regan we were screwed. We have now gotten to the point where enough is enough. 2012 will that when we take back our lives?

Roni Jo Patterson (4)
Monday December 12, 2011, 9:27 pm
Great comments. I say again, the OWS movement IS the message and is the tactic, as well. People are occupying politicians' offices, foreclosed homes, educational and financial institutions,...! I consider this movement the opening strategy. If the PTB (Thank you, Kit and Camila!) fail to change, then, we go to the next level, whatever that may be. Me, I am for "storming the Bastille", meaning, burn Wall Street to the ground. The attitude, actions and non-actions of Arizona sheriff Arpaio was the last straw for me. Time to play by Republicans' rules: there are no rules!

Kamila A (141)
Monday December 12, 2011, 9:46 pm
Claudia, can't send you another star, yet. I agree that part of the strength of the movement is its diversity, and this frustrates the ones like Hannity and O'Reilly because they can't create one of their evil strategies against something they can't understand, but which the people do.

Jo, I love you.


Himank Jain (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 12:35 am
Thanks for this news

Shan D (49)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 12:56 am
A very interesting article about an eclectic mix of people.

Camila K., I'm curious to know what you think the goal of a revolution should be. Diversity is good, for the reason you said. Making demands of others automatically puts the "others" in the position of being able to say "no." So what would the idea outcome *be* for a hypothetical revolution? It won't work if people don't have any idea what they want to accomplish.

Kamila A (141)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 12:13 pm
Shan (I have a cousin with your name)....they do have an idea, or a better idea for many things, but those who think they are unfocused are not seeing this because they are still living in the old paradigm that is no longer acceptable to these many many ones who don't find it acceptable any longer. That's the interesting thing, that these people who are standing up are standing up to change things, everything, really.
This task is too big to do with one fell swoop, of course, but what heartens me is that these people who are willing to come from distant places to occupy with like-minded ones, are the starters of the Big Changes that must come. I see these people as heroes because they understand at the deepest levels that change must be brought in peacefully. And these changes are so huge that it is mind boggling to me that people are actually do this.
If you want me to list what the revolution addresses, I can only touch on it here because the veins will run deep into ALL social, political, religious systems we live within, that are based on lies and deception. Starting from all the religious institutions, to political sell-outs, to the failed ways we have set up our cities, to the stupid ways we build our homes, to what kind of dwellings we live in and where are located---things are not serving humanity, but only a few (and not them in the biggest picture, either). The family constellations have been greatly wounded by the separations of the extended families, which led to the divorce rates we see now. Children who come from broken homes don't all do well, are more often traumatized, and become the problems we have to then create institutions to take care of, and who pays for all that policing, prisons, therapies? We all do. I am not saying this is simple, I am saying that the set-up as it is, makes more problems than it can solve, and this has been getting worse and worse, until we are facing the demise of life itself on this planet. This is why the republicans are so ridiculous to me, because they shake their fists at the large government, but the large government came about because of the problems such capitalists and crooked maneuverings and greed have created.
I am not saying that the occupy people have addressed each point, yet, or whether they will, but they are pointing to us to notice what needs changing, and those of us with eyes to see and ears hear are beginning to wake up and stand up to move toward sweeping out the corruption and ushering in a better way. They are the first ones to shake the old up, and the old is shaking whether they admit it or not. Does that answer your question?

Robert O (12)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 1:50 pm
Thanks Kit.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 3:18 pm
It is never a good thing to look forward to a revolution; innocent people also get swept away in the tide of violence. Why is it so difficult for Americans to embrace the truly revolutionary principles of Gandhi? We need non-violent, noncooperation with evil. Fighting a violent system with more violence only perpetuates that system. That's why revolutionary regimes commit crimes against humanity just as bad or worse than the regimes they replaced. By the way, the demise of a civilization is only useful to the extent that it is replaced by a more humane civilization. Civilization is the only reason why our population is as healthy as it is or why it lives as long as it does. Who really wants the constant tribal warfare, not to mention the threat of famine and plague, that characterized life before civilization? Do you really want a world where the average lifespan is 27? That's what existed on this planet before civilization. Yes, civilization has done evil things in order primarily to secure resources including "living space." But as harsh and hard as life is for many of us, it would be all but impossible for most of us to exist in a world without civilization. To pretend otherwise is to participate in self-delusion.

Occupy is not a revolution; it is not even a reform. What it is is a political action based upon the First Amendment's guarantee that citizens are entitled to assemble to seek redress of grievances from the government. That is all it is. If we want to really make a better world; it is far better to change the system from within, nonviolently. Having to rebuild from scratch only wastes time that we do not have.

Now, for something a little different. These protests, such as the Arab Spring, are not about democracy or liberty or any other high-minded intellectual content; most people around the world are protesting the lack of work and the rising prices of food. Occupy, to the extent that it is such a protest, is a symptom of a much larger crisis. Due to climate change, crop failures are increasing in frequency. Likewise, droughts, famines, and disease pandemics are also increasing. Devastation from weather disasters is becoming more common. As conditions continue to worsen social disruption and protest will increase. Wars are already being fought over dwindling resources. This is what a mass extinction event looks like to the human primate. Occupy is just a symptom of a cascading event that is rapidly spiraling beyond our control. Save civilization? Most of the human population is already as good as dead. We should start planning how to save even a small percentage of our species.

Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 4:56 pm
From what I've read, this is the beginning of Phase 2--Occupy Everywhere. While still continuing to try to keep up as many camps as possible throughout the US, the Occupiers are showing up on K Street, at GoldmanSux, at congressional offices...and yesterday they occupied the ports. Main Stream Media gives little or no mention to these occurrences. Countdown on CurrentTV is the best daily coverage. has a lot of info in their chatrooms, (and worldwide livestreams), but beware of many trolls. Hang out there awhile and you can see the progression of the movement, and the insistence that "this is only the beginning of the beginning." I always feel more hope at that site. They are keeping up daily with the shenanigans going on in Congress, like bills passed. This is an intelligent movement, and they're dedicated. It's up to us to educate those we come into contact with, who may be too busy to know that their civil rights have been severely eroded, and that the 1% is stealing our futures. Thank you, Kit---won't let me send you another star yet.

Bonnie B (103)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 5:31 pm
Yes, thank you, Kit. One of the things I love best about OWS is the construction (or re-construction) of Community. The consumer culture eroded any sense of that as it promoted what your neighbor had (Keeping Up With the Jones') instead of who your neighbors are, like fellow human beings. What a great article showing how these OWS communities care not only for themselves and some political agenda but for the disenfranchised people who were already pushed into living on the streets by their culture losing its way.

Yes, this is an intelligent and diverse movement, constantly adaptable, you squeeze it here and lo and behold it shows up there, it is said they have no clear demands and then those demands show up in bills to be presented to Congress (i.e. Move to Amend.) This is indeed just the beginning of the beginning.

Phyllis P (237)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 5:37 pm
Fight the powers that be. That is our only hope.

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 3:14 am

KS Goh (0)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:45 am
Thanks for the article.

Lin Penrose (92)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:04 am
Noted & thanks Kit. I find the 1% predator and the 98% prey analogy some one mentioned, quite clear. Many of we "prey" wanted to become "predators". Greedy, without having to work too hard for food, water, shelter, money, control, power,and other resources, belonging to someone else. One of the many factors that got us into the messes, planet-wide, we now are in. All we humans are predators of some type, and Prey. The unbalance is killing this earth.

Kamila A (141)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:09 am
Lin, you are right. I think that is why there are so many who support the Republicans because they honestly believe that with just enough focus and determination, they could be sitting in the seat of power with those lizards. They are the ones who buy the books like The Secret and miss the whole point that it is about spiritual abundance (enlightenment), not material accumulation that abundance is truly about.

Lin Penrose (92)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 10:00 am
Thanks Camila but I'm not sure you understand my message. It isn't about spiritual enlightenment, it is more about realizing who we (humans) are and what we are capable of, both being predator and prey. We are also uniquely capable of using our intelligence, combined with commonsense, logic, a deep abiding love and respect for this earth and All the life forms, that we Should have and Could still share with. A balance that benefits all, not just the human predators. My message was Far, far beyond Republicans in this country, or their brethren, in other parts of the world. A world revolution is happening, the outcome unknown. If the goal is balance, using our intelligence, logic, knowledge, compassion and empathy, the outcome could be positive. I'm cheering with all my heart, brains and energy for that!

Fred Krohn (34)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 3:59 pm
The OWSheeple are still a joke that got infiltrated by Nazis and Communists looking for an excuse to start a riot and get publicity. Rocks tossed at the cops earns you a dose pf pepper spray or a hail of (hopefully rubber) bullets. A well planned march with prior police clearance earns respect. Ditch the liberal extreme!

Kit B (276)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:44 pm

The people who are a part of the OWS are far from being sheep. To the contrary these people are organized and stating a clear message that our government is bought and owned by the corporate elite. Something people across the world are recognizing. What is extreme, is that anyone who is not paying attention to realities of the situation would call those using their constitutional rights; extreme. By the way, Fred - not all of the OWS movement is liberal and certainly not extremist, only those who are fed up by the Congress constantly vying for campaign contributions in exchange for favors.

Roni Jo Patterson (4)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 5:23 pm
Fred, you are gazing at---maybe fixating on---a sliver. Incidentally, the Nazis maneuvered nothing like OWS.

Kit B (276)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 5:39 pm

The words fascism, Nazi, neo Nazi and communist are tossed about like footballs. This seems to indicate a full lack of knowledge or understanding of what the words or concepts actually mean. As for the idealistic concept or Utopia from Karl Marx, it would be great, but alas we are still humans. The American neo-Nazi movement is not growing stronger but weaker, and of course the "skin heads" will show-up at any gathering, looking for attention. Not unlike trolls on Care2.

Holly Lawrence (430)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:22 pm
WE can do it .. we can!

Mary Anne Bell (202)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 5:50 am
"Unfortunately, at present, we are looking at no revolution at all. The occupy movement, although well meaning, is too splintered and disjointed to be more than a minor annoyance to the Oligarchy."

Quite true Terry.

Kamila A (141)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 10:22 am
OWSheeple?!!! wow, what an upside-down statement

Kamila A (141)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 10:24 am
Lin, its one ball of wax, I do get it.

Kit B (276)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 10:42 am

Through human history all revolts against overlords have begun with an idea. I see OWS as the seed of ideas that are being planted. One need not support the OWS movement as such, to support the many rich ideas coming from people working to support a greater fairness, and most important a freedom from the corporate ownership of America.

Roni Jo Patterson (4)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 9:20 pm
Kit, Godwin's Law seems to get invoked on just about every discussion board I read and/or participate in. I am also "guilty" of invoking it. I'm afraid Nazi history is simply very handy; they were the pinnacle of monstrous behavior in all known history, after all. The Assyrians could give them a good run for the money, though. Anyway I haven't heard or read of any extremist far-right groups showing up in OWS activities.
Guess OWS is too tame for them. As for Fred, I haven't heard him talk like that in awhile. What happened, Fred? You were doing so well for a time.

Brenda Towers (0)
Friday December 16, 2011, 3:00 am
People should have the right to be heard.

M B (62)
Friday December 16, 2011, 3:57 pm
There is hope...

Willson W. (0)
Wednesday May 9, 2012, 10:10 pm
keep on forcing, we are going to arrive at the greater objective, with just a little bit of heart, foreclosed level of resistance now, and the lender boycotts will be efficient, in the Springtime, a large break out again.
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