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I think President Obama spoke the best line in the debate last night. Call it a "zinger" if you want. "If you're 54 or 55, you might want to listen."


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Kit B (276)
Monday October 8, 2012, 9:21 am
(Photo: Matthew Staver / The New York Times)

I think President Obama spoke the best line in the debate last night. Call it a "zinger" if you want.

"If you're 54 or 55, you might want to listen."

Again and again Mitt Romney talked about how under his Medicare plan there would be no changes for "current retirees." He stressed that, without explaining what that means.

"What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare."

This is about the Republican plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program. If you are 54 or 55, you need to learn about that. In fact everyone should learn about that. Another word for the plan is "bamboozle."

Republicans want to "save money" by changing Medicare. What they mean is they want the government's share to be lower, and then even lower. But there is a problem with this. Reducing what the government pays does not reduce the need for health care -- or the cost. So what happens is that the cost is not "reduced" it is just shifted. The people who need the health care have to pay more and more. And the ones without money to pay more ... well ...

On a related note, have you ever seen The Music Man?

River City faces a terrible deficit, and if we don't cut spending on the things We, the People do for each other right now, there will be trouble. We gotta do some austerity! We gotta eat that seed corn. We gotta stop taxing the 1% and stop paying for things the 99% need!
******** fun video from the play The Music Man - see at Visit Site***

One more thing. I'm not sure John Kerry was the best choice for debate coach. And please, I don't mean try Michael Dukakis for the next one. :-)

By Dave Johnson, Our Future | Op-Ed | Truthout |

Kit B (276)
Monday October 8, 2012, 9:23 am

The Music Man was a con artist, a grifter, one who sold his well honed skills at convincing people that they needed him to set things on the right course.

mar l ene dinkins (264)
Monday October 8, 2012, 9:57 am
noted completely!!!! thnx interesting article!!!!!!!

Arielle S (313)
Monday October 8, 2012, 10:28 am
Who draws the line for "near retiree"? Is that 64 or 63 or 62? People in their 50's have put a great deal into Social Security and Medicare - so, for them, it's just tough bananas? Seems to me, Mitt and gang have a lot of ideas without any good plans behind them....

JL A (281)
Monday October 8, 2012, 11:11 am
And right now Medicare only pays an average of 51% of the tab for seniors' health care--how much more are they supposed to absorb? Is it their housing or food they are supposed to dispense with to pay for health care under Romney's plan?

Kit B (276)
Monday October 8, 2012, 11:19 am

Republicans have not always had this attitude toward social programs. Some have realized that without a social program securely in place and properly funded then the country would face a much larger catastrophe. Does anyone remember reading about President Eisenhower? He said this about social programs:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid." --Dwight D. Eisenhower (R), November 8, 1954

Susan L (150)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 12:37 am
Eisenhower was right, but it is no longer a "tiny splinter group" nor are their numbers "negligible" (but they ARE still stupid). We can only hope they are NOT the majority.

wendy webber (28)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 2:51 am
Well, stupid certainly seems to be thriving out there.Eisenhower was right.I see the current Repub. attitude quite similar to the same attitude that I found in many of the inmates when I began working with them. This attitude was one of a complete lack of accountability and responsibility concerning their own behavior. In their eyes, their behavior hurt no one but them. They did not see the ripple effect that their behavior had on everyone around them and their concern for fellow humans extended only to their immediate protectors.They saw kindness as a weakness.Life had little value.They were simply concerned with 'getting theirs"...first. I could go on and on about the parallels I see between the Repub. agenda (mittwit), his other sleazy grinning manipulators, and criminal thinking patterns but I will spare you all. The first time I heard Mitt speak, I thought I was having a flash memory of the many years that I worked Substance Abuse treatment in Max. 5 prisons with Alphas. Scary folks, very scary.

Kit B (276)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 9:51 am

Now that is a scary comparison, Wendy. Though it does seem to hold up.

M B (62)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 2:25 pm
Many people have a reason to be scared by Rmoney. Hands off Medicare !! I really hope Obama gets a second term; to save Medicare, etc. Now in those debates we see how dangerous Mitt is. He doesn't care, he stands for the 1 %. Be aware, it's all about perception - Mitt behaves like a well trained dog (!), but when it comes to the truth he fails. There's not much time left to reveal the lies of the Repugs....
.Obama-Biden 2012 !!

Charlene Rush (79)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 2:34 pm
~For all those under 55, if you are successful in electing Romney/Ryan, say good-by to good, affordable healthcare.
~Say good-by to women's rights.
~Say good-by to lower taxes, because when you cut subsidies to states, the states have to make up the difference somewhere. Guess where that will be? - projects that help the middle and lower classes.
~Say good-by to a clean environment, due to lessening laws against pollution.
~Say good-by to restrictions on banks and Wall Street.
~Say good-by to unions, which will _decrease_ EVERYONE'S wages. This is where the 'trickle-UP theory works. If you don't believe this, Hisory 101 should inform you.
~Say good-by to the minimum wage.

What you can expect is:
~Say hello to the rich getting richer, which does not include YOU.
~The middle class will be further relegated to lower positions, due to inferior wages.
~The number of homeless will, no doubt, increase.
~Oil subsides will increase.
~Subsidies to clean energy will become none-existent.
~The number of women in politics will deminish.
~Ladies, forget equal pay for equal work. The GOP, already has announced their opposition to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Some ladies must think that $.77 on the $1.00 is a good thing.

I think you 'got the drift'. The list could go on and on and on.


Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 3:02 pm
Thanks Kit--good post.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 3:02 pm
Thanks Kit--good post.

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 3:36 pm
Great Eisenhower quote..boy, Idiocracy has really spread since 1954!

Talya H (10)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 4:54 pm
Thanks for the share! :)

Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 6:51 pm
Noted & thanks for posting, Kit. Glad to see some attention given to the facts stated by Obama--the only thing I've been hearing is how he "lost" the debate. Willard won't have anything to do with protecting any of our safety net. I hope everyone knows of the GOP plan to "privatize" Social Security, as well. This turns the money over to Wall St. to gamble away and lose, of course. The "Trickle-Up" we're struggling through now, will become more like an "upward flow" of money if these austerity-drunk 1%-ers take over.

Bonita Annis (20)
Tuesday October 9, 2012, 7:05 pm
IF the Social Security and Medicare (which are inevidently linked) are tampered with and it comes to the point of "vouchers". IF the "younger" set is put on a different system...where will the money come from to support the current program? Will people ( at the most fragile time of thier lives), be hung out to dry (or die)..for a party who is SOOOO concerned about the life of a zygote, will there be no help or DIGNITY left once you have passed into what they used to call the "golden years". In my line of work, I see frightened and confused folks every day..and I'll admit to being frightened too..1-1/2 years until my chance to retire after working since 17 years old and now, the "baby boomers", I feel, are going to be victims of this "new" idea..Each month, it seems I lose one more old friend (70-90's) that are already struggling just to pay their utilities and try to eat. It makes me want to scream that "diets" are shoved in their faces of foods they CAN'T EVEN AFFORD! Sorry, but they can make Banquet dinners $1.00 or less, THAT IS NOT HEALTHY EATING! Hell - when I retire I'll probably be happy to eat sawdust ..This is America's shame...
If money is not going into the SS and Medicare program it will collapse, leaving millions vunerable. I started giving into the program at 17, these days, with kids not even being able to FIND jobs, revenue for these programs is going to take a serious hit with the sheer number of "baby boomers" retiring..Do I fear for the future? Do You?

Susan L (150)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 1:43 am
There are some great comments here! I live in a VERY conservative area of Washington State and I cringe to read many of the "Opinion" letters in the paper. It is a relief to read the few in the paper that are dealing with the truth, but here, most of the comments are at least sane. I don't feel as much like everyone has gone mad!

Gloria Morotti (1)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 7:39 am

g d c (0)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 4:55 pm

Nancy M (147)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 5:53 pm
"If you're 54 or 55, you might want to listen."

I do and I am pissed off. At the right.

Carol Henderson (7)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 5:57 pm
Vote President Obama in for another four years. He'll do what is right for the middle class and those already retired and those about to retire. He'll save medicare and social security and give the American people what they need: A health plan that will take care of us and more jobs and tax the upper 2%.

marie C (163)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 6:29 pm
Thanks Kit

Sheila D (28)
Wednesday October 10, 2012, 8:01 pm
Thanks Kit. Let's hope everyone 55 and under was listening...

Kamila A (141)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 7:51 am
Romney sounded like a car salesman who was trying to sell a car that he himself wouldn't buy, talking down to us, and just lying and double-talking to get past his previous statements. When Obama said "if you're 54 or 55, you might want to listen" I was relieved to hear something that should have had enough punch to impact those who are hypnotized by Mitt's drivel.

Janet G (0)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 1:43 pm
Boy, do I agree with Wendy Webber. Scary.

Kit B (276)
Thursday October 11, 2012, 1:53 pm

Well....Romney does have a lot of experience at "closing the deal" and then walking away.
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