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Congress F****s Up Again - That FISA Expansion Is More Than Met Their Eyes


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RC
- 4328 days ago - nytimes.com
DO OUR LEGISLATORS READ THESE BILLS OR JUST RUBBERSTAMP THEM? Read this NY Times report and find out what they missed - and how it could (and most likely will) affect millions of American citizens.



   

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RC deWinter (418)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:13 am
All of you folks whose legislators voted for this bill or "forgot" to vote ought to be on their butts like white on rice!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:23 am
Land of the what........... "FREE", I thought!!!! (key word.. thought)
This is totally out of hand...

I'll just stop there because this crap ticks me off!!!

Thanks for posting Cate!
 

Janice G (428)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:28 am
Ridiculous! Will it ever end?
 

Louise Friedman (45)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:30 am
Nov. 2006 - we all cast our votes for the Dems who were going to uphold and advocate for the wishes of the American people. What happened? They are still cowering and simpering and voting against our rights - FISA - the Patriot Act - NSA Wiretapping - and the beat goes on ... are we going to stand for this - now is the time for ACTION - REVOLUTION - get on the phone and faxes and write your Representatives who appear to have blinders on - and write letters to the editor of your paper .... Apathy is the death knell of Democracy.
As for Der Fueher - Impeachment for him and for Cheney.
 

Charles C (160)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:44 am
Already wrote Ron Klein on this one, as he conveniently had a prior family commitment and left before the vote, as did many of them.........totally unacceptable and he will be hearing more from me now!!!!
Thanks for the post Cate....
 

RC deWinter (418)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:45 am
Don't forget - this law has expiration date - less than 6 months now - so start contacting your representatives in Congress to make sure it is NOT RENEWED.

EMAIL YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 7:17 am
I wonder who the target is they had in mind when this was written. It makes me want to send this to Ford, to all the software companies that send their work overseas, to the companies who send their work to Mexico to be done by cheaper labor.......
 

Joycey B (750)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 7:52 am
I will e-mail all my represenatives. Thanks for the link Cate.
 

Mary J (29)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 8:39 am
This statement, near the end of the article, says it all: "Yet Bush administration officials have already signaled that, in their view, the president retains his constitutional authority to do whatever it takes to protect the country, regardless of any action Congress takes."

My first term Democratic Rep. Walz and first term Democratic Senator Klobuchar both voted for it. I am VERY disappointed especially with Klobuchar as she was the Minneapolis/Hennepin County Attorney before being elected. What were they thinking???

Thanks Cate for the post and link above.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 10:00 am
Remember that the "terrorist threat" is a MADE UP ONE; that's right, MADE UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH. MANUFACTURED in order to get you, and Congress, to support ANY laws making Bush {and his cronies and successors} Dictators-for-life. Making you hate and fear all Arabs and Muslims, who are supposedly "threatening" you. BUSHCO THEMSELVES were responsible for 9/11; NOT 19 Arabs!!! and certainly NOT a whole people and an entire religion!
And Bushco is planning ANOTHER FAKE "TERRORIST ATTACK" that, again, THEY will be responsible for, and blame "Arabs" for! Because the results of the previous fake terrorist attack that Bushco orchestrated on 9/11, are wearing a little thin with the American people. Time for a "refresher"! And another big loss of lives due to Bush and Cheney! Maybe, oh, a NUCLEAR BOMB this time -- just a SMALL one, in an isolated location such as Alaska!
There exist small fanatic extremist groups that pose NO major threat to the American public; and are a POLICE problem, not a cause for "war"!
ONLY THE RESOURCES OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, could have pulled off 9/11 and similar attacks! It is hard to imagine even our bad government, being THAT bad. But, it is a REALITY we must all get USED to. THERE IS NO THREAT FROM ARABS OR FROM MUSLIMS. IT IS IMAGINARY; MADE UP; MANUFACTURED FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTILLING HATRED, FEAR, PARANOIA, AND EVENTUALLY INSTALLING A DICTATORSHIP.
 

Dave Kane (308)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 10:05 am
Congress would rather be ineffectual than take any chance that they'll be called 'weak' on this BS War On Terror!!!! I guess they never heard that old school yard chant: Sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me! We need some tough 9-year olds in there. Seriously, give me bunch of Junior High kids and just watch things improve.
 

Carol W (119)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 10:12 am

Your right BMutiny and that is the most frighteneing.
Like the made up story of Harry Potter,
Will we Americans ever have an end to the chapters being invented
(By the way, Im one who has not read a word of Harry Potter)....
But it was an analogy that seemed fresh in the minds of readers.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 10:19 am
At least IL Senators voted No - Durbin & OBama. But that doesn't make me feel better, because ALL Democrats Should have voted NO!
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 10:48 am
Everyone on both sides should have voted "no", Yvonne. But, I guess it's more important to surrender our liberties so we'll have some security. Everyone know what Benjamin Franklin said about people like that?
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 10:54 am
Noted! It looks like I will be in a state of perpetual disgust!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 11:40 am
They are preparing themselves for the next phase of their plan for New World Order.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 11:46 am
THERE IS NO THREAT FROM ARABS OR FROM MUSLIMS. IT IS IMAGINARY; MADE UP; MANUFACTURED FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTILLING HATRED, FEAR, PARANOIA, AND EVENTUALLY INSTALLING A DICTATORSHIP.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON. To the newspapers, to the public, to Congress. THIS IS VITAL.
PLEASE PASS THIS ON. THIS IS VITAL.

IT ALL HANGS TOGETHER. BUSH & CHENEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11. THEY BLAMED "ARAB, MUSLIM TERRORISTS" -- by implication, ALL Arabs and ALL Muslims. That is they way they wanted it.

That gives Bush & Cheney & Halliburton their "reasons" for both going to war for Oil, in ONE MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY AFTER ANOTHER, as the plan was {it is not going so well!};
and, USING FEAR AND HATRED AND PARANOIA AND RACISM AND XENOPHOBIA, TO INSTITUTE EVER-MORE-REPRESSIVE LAWS AT HOME THAT WOULD TURN THIS FORMER DEMOCRACY INTO A DICTATORSHIP.

IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND THE BRITISH PEOPLE, AND THE BRITISH AND AMERICAN AND OTHER SOLDIERS, THAT THERE IS NO "TERRORIST THREAT" THAT IS NOT CAUSED BY BUSHCO AND THE CIA AND MI5.

THIS IS A TOTAL REVERSION OF REALITY FOR MANY, IF NOT MOST, PEOPLE. BUT RESEARCH, AND LOGIC, WILL SHOW IT TO BE TRUE.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON. THIS IS VITAL.


 

serge vrabec (278)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 12:13 pm
I find it hard to believe that these politicians did not read the bill.One of the first rules in becoming a sleazebag is: never sign anything you have not read. I'm not buying it.
The soul of our country needs to be awakened . . .When leaders act contrary to conscience, we must act contrary to leaders: Veterans Fast for Life
Noted and thx Cate.
 

serge vrabec (278)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 12:15 pm
Right on Dave!!
 

Daniel Barker (35)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 12:21 pm
Let's vote everybody out, beginning wth Her Royal Highness herself, senator from New York.

Vote in true Americans. The Green Party, the Constitution party, the Libertarian party, the Balanced and the Natural Law parties.

I agree, BMutiny! The Fascists are destroying the planet. From illegal wars to slave labor this must end. Boycott big business! Eat vegetarian! Quit smoking! Buy a hybrid car!

Serge, I agree, we are spiritually dead. I am working on an art project about a tragedy that happened in 1984. It has changed how I view the world.
 

Henry Rockwood (4)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 1:11 pm
We all need to realize that our Representatives and Senators NEVER read the full contents of any bill up for vote. Most bills are several hundred pages long by the time various amendments and pork barrel items are added on. I don't care who we elect to represent us, this practice of adding to bills so that they become unreadable will continue until Gongress is willing to do something about it. The only way to STOP this is for both the House and Senate to enact legislation to permit only SINGLE ITEM bills to be introduced and voted upon. NO extraneous add-ons, NO gobble-de-gook, NO last minute pork. Take out the crap and 90% of the bills put before our representatives will not exceed a single page. If any of our elected offficials can not read a single page, one item bill and vote on it they need to be recalled.
OF course getting Congress to agree to single item bills has a bat's ass chance in Hell of ever happening because that would force them all to take their hands out of the cookie jar.
 

Edwin Purcell (178)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 1:40 pm
Ah, do you remember the USA? It iseems so long ago now. Back before the coop of 2000. Back when our budget had a surplus. When the constitution still existed and we could depend on the justice system to hold criminals accountable. Perhaps it was just a nice dream. But, I liked it a lot more than the current nightmare.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 2:02 pm
Amen Edwin!:)
 

serge vrabec (278)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 2:07 pm
Daniel, Edwin, two thumbs up!!

Henry: You are absolutely right, they don't read it all, but they sure do know what they are signing, they have their aides read them. I don't have a link but there are a couple of new bills coming up to downsize the length and end last minute additions at downsizedc.org, you can write to your Reps, etc. there. Peace., IMPEACH
 

Kari D (192)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 2:28 pm
it will end, when we IMPEACH BushCo1
 

Dianne G (95)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 5:52 pm
Welcome to America...the new 3rd world country!
 

Phyllis P (232)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 6:48 pm
Please excuse me for saying this...because I wouldn't harm any one, but I am amazed some one hasn't tried to assiinate Bush's dumb a..., and sometimes I think if it would happen would it put us out of our misery..sorry, thank for letting me share
 

Rod Gesner (60)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 8:01 pm
This is AmeriKa They only Asssasinate the GOOD Presidents Here. !..

The world bankers SEE To That.!..
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 8:28 pm
Yeah, Phyllis, I've wondered about that for quite awhile now. How is it that GWB is still walking around?! It amazaes me that no one has even tried to take a poke at him.......but then if THAT happeened, we'd have President Richard B. Cheney.....AAAAHHHHHH!!!!...NOOOOOO!!!
 

Beverly L (72)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 9:08 pm
Edwin, almost seems like another world now huh?
 

Carolyn T (234)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 9:40 pm
Well, #!%%###! My stomach cannot even turn any more! I guess some Congress members are still paying off those big campaign contributors with the vote that is supposed to represent what I want...not what THEY want! You can bet I will be on the phone and on my high-horse tomorrow--am on my way now to see if any of MY legislators failed to vote or voted in favor of. My next day to speak will be in September. And, then, best of all in November. Folks, if we don't get this..ah, forget it. Even if the darn thing expires in six months, it will be too little, too late and we will have a new POTUS. Or a prime minister if we are all one big happy land mass under an aggregate name. And I can predict this with some accuracy: the makeup of Congress is getting ready to change...change...change. Bushwhacked again!
 

Ratty Ratman (160)
Sunday August 19, 2007, 9:51 pm
.
It says:
"Though many Democratic leaders opposed the final version of the legislation, they did not work forcefully to block its passage, largely out of fear that they would be criticized by President Bush and Republican leaders during the August recess as being soft on terrorism".

Which is an excuse...a very lame one...that the dems are using to try to cover that they are one and the same as the republicans.

DO NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF EITHER OF THOSE PARTIES PEOPLE, HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE BE KICKED IN THE FACE BEFORE WE WAKE UP?

Ron Paul will not change anything even if he wants to and neither will Kucinich.

Their parties will not go along with one single thing either of them want to (or say they want to) do.

Independent from the top on down to the bottom, it's the only chance we have.

BOTH parties love the war and BOTH parties are using it for their own gain.

It's a "good cop/bad cop" game they play and they can ALL rot in hell.

Troops Resist:
1)
http://www.sirnosir.com
2)
http://www.ivaw.org/
3)
http://www.couragetoresist.org

Impeach:
1)
http://usalone.com/
2)
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/PageServer
3)
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=5103&pst=744610&archival=&posts=27

Contact your representatives:
1)
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/
2)
http://senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Contact media:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=6

March on Washington September 15th:
http://www.sept15.org

March on Washington September 29th:
http://troopsoutnow.org/

Huge anti-war site list:
Http://www.guardian.co.uk/antiwar/subsection/01280988405600.html

Inspiring videos:
1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7WASrQFg8o
2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QZ6Nrt7MTs
3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opUkP0taab8
.
.Silence, they say, is the voice of complicity.
But silence is impossible.
Silence screams.
Silence is a message,
just as doing nothing is an act.
Let who you are ring out & resonate
in every word & every deed.
Yes, become who you are.
There's no sidestepping your own being
or your own responsibility.
What you do is who you are.
You are your own comeuppance.
You become your own message.
You are the message."


In the Spirit of Crazy Horse
---Leonard Peltier








 

Sandy L (40)
Monday August 20, 2007, 12:19 am
it is so hard to understand how this fool is allowed to get away with all of this big brother sh-- in the name of fighting terrorism. my god!!!! each day it gets worse and worse. is there no one on capital hill with any integrity??

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

namaste,
sandy
 

Donna B (13)
Monday August 20, 2007, 2:09 am
I'm fed up to here with all this insanity!!! Noted.
 

Blair Miller (246)
Monday August 20, 2007, 3:33 am
Well dealing with major health issues trying to lower my stress levels but I have come to the realization that it doesn't matter who is President. There is a secret government for Years. Don't get me started on this administration. Cate once again you do so much to enlighten thse who need it and help those who don't have the time to do all these news stories. Hugs, Blair
 

Rhonda L (24)
Monday August 20, 2007, 5:48 am
Sometimes I feel like someone SHOULD take a lot more than just a "poke" at this entire administration! I am so angry because everything important & good in the world is being systematically destroyed -all for the sake of keeping these totally Fu@#ed up people rich!
We NEED a REVOLUTION!
(...the whole world needs it!)
 

. (0)
Monday August 20, 2007, 12:16 pm
I DO NOT-DO NOT- fear terrorism here in the us by any other country than our very own. I do not fear what can and will happen to me as I rise up to lead many in a revolution and the destruction of todays U.S. government!

I believe 911 was planned and carried out by the Bush admin to scare us into whatever they wish to do to us, whatever laws they wish to push on us. What is the greater purpose for this? What are they planning? It's time to storm the white house and find these answers in the heart of evil it'sself-Bush!!!
 

Roseann d (178)
Monday August 20, 2007, 1:48 pm
Hey Bush - Love America and the Constitution or Leave It!
 

Roseann d (178)
Monday August 20, 2007, 2:05 pm
The only true thing Bush ever uttered was his quote, "Terrorist will continue to think of ways to harm the American people, and so will we."

I can't believe the Demos didn't play that golden nugget over and over again.
 

serge vrabec (278)
Monday August 20, 2007, 2:12 pm
Good one Roseann!!!
 

O O O (143)
Thursday August 23, 2007, 10:47 pm
Lol,take action,yes,but rember,you must be well armed& knwelegeable to do that,but yes,do it while you can this easyly,s you will not ever get another chance-&there are more of us,than there are of them,but you must enter this as solders do-as if YOU,are one who,is alread-DEAD. Then DO,as needed-fully. Being this,from Cate,i've not even seen it yet thought i w/after writeing this casue there now closeing here,but i know what it w/be like-7 it is all true-Red Dawn should be reviewed by all of you-(the movie)*parts of that movie are NOT FAKE! o. Ellie,your right,you w/be! Cause,your human!
 

Marguerite snow (22)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:52 pm
That is to funny I like that, it really does suit him doesn't it? him and his new world order
 
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