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America's Archaic Election System


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Anna Quindlen, American politics, American elections, electoral college, primaries, voting )

RC
- 4233 days ago - newsweek.com
Great piece by Anna Quindlen on WHY our elections are held on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, the ridiculousness of our primary system and the need to abolish the Electoral College.



   

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RC deWinter (418)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 3:11 pm
I have been against the Electoral College ever since I was first voting and realized that the US system is NOT "one person, one vote" in presidential elections.
 

Joycey B (750)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 4:01 pm
Noted. Thanks Cate.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 4:02 pm

Great find, Cate. Noted!

Many times when I'm writing about a problem with our electoral system, I try to list all the other problems that need to be fixed.....I can usually list about a dozen off-hand, but I always miss a few because there are so darned many.

Quindlen doesn't seem to understand that the attempt to give California's electoral votes to whoever won the popular vote could have given all of a large, heavily Democratic state's votes to a Republican candidate, which is why it failed but the Republicans keep trying to implement it anyway.

And as for mail-in ballots, Quindlen seems unware that in many places they simply go uncounted and that there really is no secure chain-of-custody as there is when you place your ballot in a locked box at the precinct and the box remains locked and in full view until the polls close, at which points the ballots are removed from the box and counted at that precinct in full public view. Whenever ballots are moved from one place to another, such as through the mail or by officials taking them from the precincts to a central counting place on election night, there is room for ballots to disappear or for phony ballots to be added.

But of course there are also the problems with electronic voting, and 90% of American votes are counted on computers. If it is the counting that matters, which happens to be a fact, then your vote is a lot less secure than your computer. On your computer, you decided what security to install, but on central tabulating machines, it is the people most likely to steal an election, the insiders, who control the security. In California our Secretary of State asked experts to examine the machines and they found HUNDREDS of security vulnerabilities that could be quickly, easily, and undetectably exploited.

I could go on for hours. I've been active in electoral reform for years and am very concerned about the way our elections are funded and financed, how candidates get media coverage, and many other issues, but approval voting would be a big step in the right direction, IF we could be sure that our votes were counted as cast.

Another proposed reform I happen to like a lot is having a binding "None of the above" on the ballot. If "None of the above" wins the election, you have to hold a new one with none of the previous candidates eligible to run again. And believe me, in some U.S. elections, "None of the above" would win by a landslide!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 4:09 pm
Noted! Thanks Cate. I agree with you. It should be one vote, one person. I also think that we should have one universal voting machine with a paper trail. Will it ever happen? Probably not but I will keep plugging along.
 

Rabbit R (85)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 4:31 pm

The EC definitely needs to go.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 5:12 pm

Elle, the problem with paper trails is that it is easy to program the universal voting machines so that when somebody votes for Candidate X, it prints out a paper trail showing a vote for Candidate X, but on it's memory card, which the voter cannot see or read, it tallies a vote for Candidate Y, and at the close of the polls the memory cards are removed from the machines and fed into the central tabulator and it is that vote for Candidate Y which will be counted by the central tabulator.

The poor voter goes home knowing that they voted for Candidate X, knowing that they saw a paper trail proving that they voted for Candidate X, but with no way of knowing that their vote had actually been tallied on the machine's memory card and by the central tabulator as a vote for Candidate Y.

In the Clint Curtis case, people in his district were so angry that the election was stolen that they waived their right to privacy and signed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury stating how they had voted, and it was obvious that the votes for Curtis had not been counted for Curtis. But Congress refused to look at the evidence.

This has happened in five cases that I know of, but there probably are a lot more. In each case the voters elected a Democrat to represent them, but the voting machines gave the election to a Republican. In every case, the Democratic Congress which is desperately trying to protect Bush from being impeached, ignored the evidence that the Democrat had been elected by the people, and swore in the Republican. That might just be coincidence, but there sure are a lot of coincidences, if you ask me. ;)

 

Jennie B (14)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 6:01 pm
Mark is right. There are so many problems with the voting systems; electronic and the paper trail - the Republicons own the former and will cheat every way they can find on the second. We should already be preparing for this in every state in every precinct because it is going to happen just as it has in the past but the Republicons are even more desperate this election- they know they are set to loose even if they have mis-used the media which they own and tried to set forth THEIR candidates ignoring the Democratic candidates as if they don't exist or finding fault w/them at every opportunity. Aren't we smarter now -to see through their games? Apparently not w/so many on here for Ron Paul and talking about Republican candidates as if they had any worth what so ever when that party is correupted totally by the NEO CONSERVATIVES who own it. Yes, the Democratic Party has problems and needs to be cleaned out but compared to the Republican Party it is the better choice unless we give up on it totally for a third party that doesn't even exist in an election or a candidate that has no chance to make a statement that no one hears or cares about or worse yet benefits the Republicans and sells out country further down the river than we are now - and I'd say we are down to as close to a dictatorship as we need to go w/the Constitution, Bill of RTS and any semblance to a captalist democracy vanishing in front of our eyes if we vote in another Republican. WAKE UP! Noted.
 

Brandy Huston (230)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 6:26 pm
Noted. Thanks Cate.
 

Gail L (30)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 6:41 pm
Noted.
 

Gail L (30)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 6:41 pm
Noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 6:46 pm

Well, one of the biggest problems, Jennie, is that whenever we have proof of a stolen election, that the Democrat really won, the Democrats in Congress ignore the proof and swear in the Republican. Five cases that I know of, but there are probably more, where the Democrat won the election but the Democrats in Congress chose to swear in the Republican.

The problem seems to be Democrats who win elections conceding to Republicans (Gore and Kerry), Democrats refusing to impeach Republicans (Pelosi and Reid), Democrats voting for everything the Republicans want (almost all of them), Democrats refusing to oppose the Republicans, and, when they happen to be in the White House, like Bill Clinton, pushing through things like GATT, NAFTA, cutting social programs, and other things that the Republicans want done.

What you are saying is that the bank robber is much worse than the guy who drives the getaway car, but in the eyes of the law they are both equally guilty of robbing the bank. I know the Republicans proposed the wars, torture, the PATRIOT Acts, and all the rest of it, but the Democrats VOTED for all the war crimes and crimes against humanity. And the ones who didn't, like Kucinich, belong to a party that they know supports war crimes and crimes against humanity. Would you join the Nazi Party, Jennie? Would you join a party that voted for and supported everything the Nazi Party did because it was less evil than the Nazi Party?

If you don't know that we already have a dictatorship, you're dreaming. No matter what laws Congress passes, Bush adds a signing statement saying that the laws don't apply to him. When somebody is the head of a country and the laws don't apply to him, Jennie, that IS a dictatorship. That's the definition.

When Kucinich loses the primary and throws his support to Hillary, the way he threw his support to Kerry in '04, you'll vote for Hillary because in your mind, Hillary isn't as bad as whoever the Republican nominee may be. But suppose the Republican nominee was the Devil Incarnate. And the Democrat was a lesser demon. Don't you know that all the demons in Hell work for the Devil and do whatever he says? The lesser evil is still evil, Jennie.

I'm not advocating that you vote for a third party "that doesn't even exist" (although they must exist, since they're on the ballot). What you really mean is that they don't have a chance of winning. That's the truth. When you have a corrupt two-party system where they have a stranglehold on elections, only those parties who support the military-industrial complex completely have a chance of winning.

I advocate that people don't vote when they don't have a real choice, and by a real choice I mean a candidate who opposes the military-industrial complex who HAS a chance of winning. Of course in our rigged elections, that isn't possible. That's why I say that people shouldn't vote. If we keep voting in rigged elections where we don't even have a real choice, there is no reason for Congress to let us have honest elections. Why should they if we don't mind the rigged ones?

So we know that you'll vote for the Democratic war criminal instead of the Republican war criminal in '08, but given a choice between two war criminals, I do not intend to vote, and I urge anyone who cares about peace, the planet, and their children's future, to boycott rigged elections with preselected candidates who both favor killing children.

Unless, of course, you happen to think that killing innocent children is a peachy idea.


 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 7:18 pm

Jennie, if there was one decent person in Congress, the minute they found out that Bush had lied and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they would have said, "Oh, no! We were lied to! And we've killed all those innocent children for a lie! I am going to sit right here in Congress and I'm going on a hunger strike to the death until and unless we stop killing all those innocent children for a lie."

But there is not one decent person in Congress. Not one, Jennie.

They say that we can't leave now because it might make things worse, that we don't have the votes, and a million other excuses to keep killing innocent children. THERE IS NO EXCUSE TO KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN, particularly not once you know that the only reason it started was a lie.

Do you know what an enabler is? Suppose you have a grown son that you love very much. But he is mentally ill and he sometimes kills people. It isn't his fault, he is mentally ill. So you hide him from the police, and try to help him, because you love him and it isn't really his fault, and he continues to kill people. Enablers mean well, but what they do is wrong. The Democrats enable the Republicans and you enable the Democrats, and the innocent children keep getting killed for lies just so that Bush and Cheney and everyone in Congress who is a millionaire or billionaire with a stock portfolio can get richer and richer by continuing to kill innocent children.

It has to stop, Jenny. We have to stop enabling them. The blood is on our hands.

If you believe that the Democratic Party, which is owned lock, stock, and barrel by the military-industrial complex, will let Dennis have their nomination, go ahead and vote in the primaries. But once you find out that they won't, if you vote for Hillary to continue the war and to kill more innocent children, I want you to KNOW that is what you are voting for. And I beg you, please, if you care about anything or anyone at all, to please not vote for a war criminal, no matter what party they belong to, or how much better they are than the other war criminal. Please don't vote to kill any more innocent children. It isn't nice and it isn't a caring thing to do.

If you want to do your civic duty, buy a peace flag or make a peace sign, and go to the polls on election day and stand across the street where it is legal, and urge people not to vote to kill any more innocent children. The world doesn't hate us for our freedoms, not that we have many left. They hate us because we are killing innocent children and we don't seem to care. Why are we doing that? Why can't we stop?
 

Michael W (72)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 8:19 pm
Mark you and I have had several discussions centering around this topic, sometimes oppossing on one idea or another, usually thats been because of translation problems, once I think ideologically but that turned out to be tangential to the issue. This an extremely well reasoned and presented discussion. Americans are disliked in my world because many developing countries have looked toward the ideals expressed by Jefferson, Lincoln and many others and it is extremely disappointing to now see arrogance and the same type of corruption and colonialism that has been in place for 600 years here being manifested by corporations with American sounding names. Our children die too in this global arms race and anybody who doesn't think it is still occuring has been more out of touch than I am when in the jungle or out in the veld.
Thanks Mark for the information and reasoning
and Cate for the posting.

Verde
 

Paul Nash (20)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 8:20 pm
One vote one person, we also need to take , MONEY and RELIGION out of politics. You have no chance unless you have the Millions to Campaign. Religion and State should NEVER be mixed . and a paper trail is absolutely necessary, when every vote is IMPORTANT.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 8:40 pm

Thank you, Michael.

Paul Nash, who is this Paper Trail God that you worship? If you bothered to read my response to Elle, you'd know that it is a false idol. It only reflects the vote you cast, NOT THE VOTE THAT IS ACTUALLY COUNTED. And in most cases paper trails cannot be used for recounts and recounts cannot alter the results of an election. I respect your right to your religious beliefs, but this is not a religion, it is a frightening cult that is leading Americans to drink the Kool-Aid of genocide.

Neither paper trails nor paper ballots will ensure honest elections. The only thing that will ensure honest elections is to get rid of all the SECRET VOTE COUNTING MACHINES. You cannot see what goes on inside a voting machine or a central tabulator, so it counts your vote, or whatever it has been programmed to substitute for your vote, secretly in a way that you cannot observe or verify. Vote must be counted publicly, openly, in a way so that every single thing can be fully observed by the voters. To count votes inside a machine is no different than counting them behind a locked door. But humans can only steal a few votes behind a locked door. With voting machines the entire presidential election can be stolen from one laptop as the results are transmitted. Investigate. Study. Learn. It is YOUR country and YOUR vote. Don't take it on blind faith.
 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Thursday December 20, 2007, 9:39 pm
The points of views above were lovely... Interesting perspectives.

The Electoral College needs to go away. No question there.

However, there is another way to ensure the 1 Person,
1 Vote is that all citizens are required, mandatory by law, to vote.


 

Poetic Warrior (126)
Friday December 21, 2007, 1:38 am
Having worked as a voting precinct judge and as inspector for many years using many methods from ballot booth machines to the current electronic method...I`d say that there is a way to provide anonymity & a verifiable paper trail as well. Until the most recent election in my county of residence..we had a method of paper ballots that were then fed into a digital scanning machine that was backed up by the actual signature roster of eligible voters. All votes cast in person or as absentee had to use the same paper ballot which also had a stub which contained a unique serial # which was given to the voter upon verified eligibility to cast a vote.

That paper stub with it`s ID # could be cross matched if necessary. Though it was`nt ever used that way it is very possible to have the best of all worlds where the single voter is concerned. How this can be done is not so far fetched. A voter casts a ballot on paper & receives the stub with matching ID # that is recorded in the digital scanning machine which can then be verified by the voter anonymously by checking against a master list of ID #s & who received the vote (s) according to that ID #. My county is currently trying out the all digital method but will no doubt revert to the far more proven method of paper ballot - digital scan for the sake of keeping it`s reputation of being the nations leader in vote accuracy & authentication with little to no effort. If there was any question as to the voters eligibility or the possibility of fraud in any way at the precinct, we were, as officers of the Election Board, obliged to direct the voter to the Elections HQ or could accept their vote as a "Provisional" ballot which would be earmarked for further investigation by the Election HQ staff.
This system was virtually foolproof & there were plenty of times that we at the precinct caught vote fraud in the act of attempting to pull the wool over our eyes when casting their ballot. This system could & should be the standard across the nation but sadly is not. It`s unique to us & one other county I`m aware of that`s not in our state.

The largest single flaw in the election process on a national level is that it`s not uniform or close to it. The idea that any reform is possible..Electoral College or not..is nothing more than illusion unless there`s uniformity & a method of verifiable votes on a vote by vote basis that maintains anonymity as well. It is POSSIBLE. Now more than ever in my opinion... but only if it`s a national version of this counties election process.
 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Friday December 21, 2007, 1:54 am
I totally agree with Cate and everybody who would like to do away with the electral vote.
I also think we need to do something about voting fraud and the black box.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/042804landes.html

Meet the Urosevich brothers, Bob and Todd. Their respective companies, Diebold and ES&S, will count (using both computerized ballot scanners and touchscreen machines) about 80 percent of all votes cast in the upcoming U.S. presidential election.
Both ES&S and Diebold have been caught installing uncertified software in their machines. Although there is no known certification process that will protect against vote rigging or technical failure, it is a requirement of most, if not all, states.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=133



http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/volusia.html
 

Carolyn T (234)
Friday December 21, 2007, 6:58 am
Noted. Sorry to have to say this but we've been dealing with how to deliver and register a true vote for years before I was born (dead people actually voting; boxes of ballots gone missing; during the days of the poll tax when you had to pay for your right to vote; the "Chad" mess in Florida; empirical evidence of the rigging of voting machines; inability to provide secure computers on which to register votes; on and on and on. And we will STILL be looking for answes long after this next election. The only thing I know with absolute certaintiy is that the Electoral College, is no longer applicable in the way the Founding Fathers conceived it. Thanks, Cate, for the story; thanks to all for good debate that managed to steer clear of personalization of the issue at hand.
 

. (0)
Friday December 21, 2007, 8:12 am
Noted with thanks, Cate.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2007, 8:30 am

Poetic, with your stub system a voter could theoretically prove their vote was counted, but COULD NOT prove that the central tabulator tallied that vote for the candidate for whom it was cast.

If the central tabulator is programmed to give 53% of the vote to Candidate X and 45% of the vote to Candidate Y, it doesn't matter how matter people vote or who they vote for, that's what the results will be and there is no way to change them even if you prove conclusively that the results are false.

In one election I watched the results flip instantaneously from one candidate being way ahead to just the reverse and nobody said a word. Some citizens sued and the case was eventually dismissed AFTER the unelected candidate had finished serving his second term. 68,000 absentee ballots (possibly more -- that is the number given by election officials) were simply not counted at all.

A few of the hundreds of ways that elections have been stolen include purging eligible voters from the rolls and giving them provisional ballots that are not counted, not providing enough voting machines in certain areas, voting machines that break down and are useless or will not print out a total, optical scan machines that print out a paper trail saying one thing but secretly record the vote differently on their memory cards, switching or reprogramming a single optical scan machine memory card so that later, when it is fed into the central tabulator, it will alter the entire election, programming the central tabulator to change the results, using WI-FI from a laptop outside to change the results on a central tabulator (some are actually connected to dial-up or cable modems even though this is illegal, supposedly to transmit the results of the election), having machines break down and technicians come in and "fix" them during the election with uncertified software patches that nobody can verify, and that's just a few of the hundreds of security vulnerabilities that our Secretary of State's experts found when testing the machines.

If you believe that elections were always rigged (which may be true) and always will be, so it isn't important and we should vote anyway, you're welcome to your belief. I don't think anyone should vote in rigged elections. I wouldn't encourage my friends to gamble in a rigged card game or to bet on a rigged horse race, and no honest person would.

While you may believe that Bush was legitimately elected, or that even if two presidential elections in a row were stolen, the next one might not be, I admire your great leap of faith. But there is no evidence that Bush won and no reason to believe the '08 election won't be stolen, and indeed there are volumes of documents, hundreds of studies, numerous books, and thousands of articles showing confirmed evidence of fraud in 2000 and 2004, and the same systems will be used in 2008.

When elections officials are caught on videotape rigging an election, is is NOT a conspiracy theory by sore losers, it is corrupt elections officials who got caught on videotape rigging an election. When a precinct with fewer than 400 registered voters produces more than 10,000 votes for Bush, it is not a conspiracy theory by sore losers, it is evidence that the machines can function improperly. When elections officials say that 68,000 absentee ballots were never counted in my city, it is not a conspiracy theory by sore losers, it is corrupt elections officials admitting that they never bothered to count all the votes. When two citizen scientists in New Mexico proved that the elections officials there had used a sophistical method they call "hack and stack" to rig the elections, it is not a conspiracy theory by sore losers, it is scientific and well-documented proof of how a particular election was stolen. And there are thousands of similar cases. When the machines subtracted 16,000 Gore votes in 2000 in Volusia County, Florida, it was not conspiracy theory by sore losers, it was voting machines subtracting votes instead of adding them.

But in the history of civilization it is rare that true believers would take facts or reality into account, so I'm sure you'll go on believing what you want to believe.
 

O O O (143)
Friday December 21, 2007, 1:47 pm
Marks correct-all points. But note,there is,today no real differeance in either Party,& they are both togther againes the people they are supposed to represent. Ground floor clean up is way over due. but also,what ever happened to the idea of another vote to cast:voter wants NONE OF THE ABOVE-start over& from scratch,anyone on first vote try is elimminated from re running this election cycle.
Re:forced to vote,that too,is NOT American,but i do understand& there is symply no way till many do have faith in this all of our totaly broken voteing& political sytems. a forced vote will just vote for anyone or could then be a bought vote,or try to be bought swinging elections,never dobut the swing of money!
Open,verifyable by ALl,PAPER TRAil vote is mandatory,but marks is correct,it is the actualy proveable tally of that counts,but Mrk,do not forget,the REPORTING of the count,you cout it,but what is reported is all we know,who says,what media says is correct-belive them-you gotta be kidding!
 

Henry Rockwood (4)
Friday December 21, 2007, 5:58 pm
Interesting article. I remember that when I was working it was a real pain in the butt to vote. Either get up an hour early and hope that everyone else didn't; or stop at the polling place on the way home from work and stand in long lines with everyone who did the same. And God help you if you pulled overtime - forget voting.
I don't care what the day is for voting it should be a national hoiiday. Also State and local elections should be held on the same day and should be stae holidays in the states where they are being held.
As for 'approval voting', sounds like a great idea for the primaries. I think the folks running for office would go along with the idea, however, the parties will not. Let's not forget, the parties are actually controlled by the extreme wings. The original reson for the Electoral College was to prevent the more populated states in the North East from controlling the election of president. It can be made to work but only by allocating each states electoral votes based on the percent of popular votes that each candidate receives rather than the current winner take all method.
And yes, by all means we do need to insist on a paper trail for our votes.
Interesting side note: Augusta recently held municipal elections and people were encouraged to vote with the promise made by certain stores that anyone coming in within two days of the election with their "I voted" sticker would receive a discount on purchases.
 

Eternal Optimist (115)
Friday December 21, 2007, 6:42 pm
Noted. Thanks Cate :)
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 21, 2007, 7:21 pm
I agree cate the electoral vote should be done away with and whatever method is used to count our votes should be one which can't be fixed.
Noted and thanks Cate .
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 4:39 pm
noted...thanks Cate
 

O O O (143)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 4:30 pm
One can fully legaly now,go in the middle of work to vote& they supposedly can not stop or hider you for casting your vote,but it only applies to the vote,not doing anything else,which a co. might then allege you did-burden of proof is there's if they say you did more than vote,but beware of the co. tracking you,illegal,yes,but doen-&even caught,sometimes legaly got away with.
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Tuesday December 25, 2007, 6:46 am
I am so glad this article created such response. Our archaic form of voting has been the ruination of the country, at least in the past 8 years. Thus, it is time to make a change. But the question remains, why hasn't it been changed before? The answer .... politicians. How else could one party steal an election. Yes, I'm from FL, but OH isn't far behind. We got the butt of the jokes, but when I look at the country as a whole, we all are the butt of the joke.

We need to establish a National Primary Day. I realize this is hard on the candidates, but it is not harder on them than it is on us to watch their ads day after day for months on end. They can make an impact and get their message across in time for the election. They do it for the National election.

The Electoral College needs to be abolished. It is antiquated and has out lived its usefulness. Obviously the purpose of it in the beginning was because of the lack of communication, travel, and a host of other reasons which have been cured over the centuries since its inception. We now have lightening fast communications, progressive states have mail ballots (James and I have already voted), and it is time to let the people elect the president ... not the numbers of electoral votes.

So far as when the election is held, I don't have a problem with that. It is just a day. Pick one and I will be there and so will you if it is important enough to you. It has even been suggested to have more than one day of voting and to make the voting day on Sunday when the vast majority of people are not working. Then there would be no excuses. Another is a National Voting Day ... a holiday like Henry pointed out. Part of that suggestion was, the worker had to show a receipt for his voting to get paid for the day. Now, that's a great idea.

There you have it. Patrick's words of ... wisdom?? The only way this is going to change is to keep pestering the powers to be for change. I know.. I get tired of the damn form letters too, but we can't quit. Somebody will have to listed sometime ... don't they?
 

Patrick Cardwell (24)
Tuesday December 25, 2007, 6:47 am
I am so glad this article created such response. Our archaic form of voting has been the ruination of the country, at least in the past 8 years. Thus, it is time to make a change. But the question remains, why hasn't it been changed before? The answer .... politicians. How else could one party steal an election. Yes, I'm from FL, but OH isn't far behind. We got the butt of the jokes, but when I look at the country as a whole, we all are the butt of the joke.

We need to establish a National Primary Day. I realize this is hard on the candidates, but it is not harder on them than it is on us to watch their ads day after day for months on end. They can make an impact and get their message across in time for the election. They do it for the National election.

The Electoral College needs to be abolished. It is antiquated and has out lived its usefulness. Obviously the purpose of it in the beginning was because of the lack of communication, travel, and a host of other reasons which have been cured over the centuries since its inception. We now have lightening fast communications, progressive states have mail ballots (James and I have already voted), and it is time to let the people elect the president ... not the numbers of electoral votes.

So far as when the election is held, I don't have a problem with that. It is just a day. Pick one and I will be there and so will you if it is important enough to you. It has even been suggested to have more than one day of voting and to make the voting day on Sunday when the vast majority of people are not working. Then there would be no excuses. Another is a National Voting Day ... a holiday like Henry pointed out. Part of that suggestion was, the worker had to show a receipt for his voting to get paid for the day. Now, that's a great idea.

There you have it. Patrick's words of ... wisdom?? The only way this is going to change is to keep pestering the powers to be for change. I know.. I get tired of the damn form letters too, but we can't quit. Somebody will have to listed sometime ... don't they?
 

Ramchand R (204)
Friday December 28, 2007, 2:32 am
Noted
 

Ikey Galacticca (284)
Sunday April 6, 2008, 10:17 am
WPPM.ORG recognizes that there are serious flaws, holes and mind-bending anomalies in US electoral system that must be fixed before there could be true democratic voting system in America and urges the voters, the electoral commission and Congress to work hard to revamp and re-empower the electoral system.
 
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