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Next Generation Identification Being Readied By the FBI - You Can Run, But You Can't Hide


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: FBI, biometric data, fingerprints, iris patterns, spying, loss of privacy )

RC
- 4166 days ago - washingtonpost.com
A huge database with biometric traits, including for the time being images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns but projected to add iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and other uniquely-identifying data, is the latest FBI pet project.



   

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RC deWinter (418)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 5:12 am
Well, folks, it looks like Minority Report, Rollerball and Logan's Run have joined 1984 to give us a life of total transparency to our rulers. When they chip us it will all be over.
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 5:57 am
Noted thanks Cate.

The Bush machine won't stop until the whole US Constiution is gutted, leaving us with no rights at all.
 

Gregory S (257)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 6:08 am
If it is known to the public now they have been testing it on us for a decade or two already.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 6:22 am
Back in the early '70's I came across a paperback book that had the enitial idea, At that time the idea was to "code bar" identical to the one that the purchases have scan at the local store, inserting or tatooing each person. The idea also had the same as now, register or go live in the mountains, off the land. So that puts the first idea back to at least the second WW, and copied from the Jewish tatooing.
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 6:33 am
LOL.....I can't wait for them to get to New Mexico.....LOL and rolling on the floor....There are so many people here who have the same name and live at the same mailing address, and everyone claims to be related if they have the same last name.....

I had to create a data base for billing at the local hospital in the 80's here....it was impossible.

The Social Security system in this country cant keep track of the aliens, can't even keep track of my names....I've been married 4 times. The organization called Interpol has a better data base than the FBI! The FBI is such a JOKE!

It's someone's pot-pipe dream. They'll try. But I don't think it will worth much. It will cause a lot of people a lot of time and money because of mis-identification and cost people trouble. That isn't a laughing matter.

We need to elect a president who hasn't been bought by any corporations or interests who support their campaign, and who will turn things around in our country. That's how to fix this.

They have forgotten....we have guns. We defend ourselves. We don't all live in big cities and run around like sheep. We CAN hide.
 

Lana W (373)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 7:41 am
Thanks for the story, (((Cate)))
 

Eternal Optimist (115)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 7:50 am
Noted. Thanks Cate :)
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 8:31 am
Noted and Thanks Cate.
Tsandi I am with you I won't just let them lead me away and put their mark on me .I will run for the hills before I let them do that to me.
 

. (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 9:12 am
I will not take this mark nor the chip for I know where it is comming from!!! Its not only from the groverment but from saten if any one should read The Bible its in there about the mark. The last book of the Bible my friends Revlations it's there. I'm much wiser than they think for I have knowledge that they don't. thank you Cate Groves noted
 

Carolyn T (234)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 10:17 am
Noted. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that anyone who has had surgery of a type where a code could be implanted without suspicion hasn't already got one. Very little surprises me anymore and yet everything does--I'll bet that makes perfect sense to many of you. Thanks for the story, Cate. When I had the stent placed in my heart, it of course is numbered and registered. And I thought, well this is supposed to be for my protection only but here I am, "marked." You know, it isn't paranoia if it's true! LOL
 

Monika S (18)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 11:13 am
Are we not the majority? Are we all that gullible that we will let this happen to us? the US is made up of US the people so why are we afraid of the few that want to control us ? If the majority wants peace we should have just that. If the majority wants a better economy we should have just that. What we need to do is to think and work together in unity towards all that. Then We Would be a United People and Be Truly The United States .

Love Health Peace and Blessings to All
 

Robert K (437)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 12:30 pm
Thanks Cate, and can anyone believe how prophetic Orwell was. In many cases now and 1949 when it was supposed to have been published, they are practically indentical. Besides the book I also have the film 1984 which was Richard Burtons last movie. Like today....it is very disturbing.
 

Daniel Barker (35)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 1:52 pm
Leftists argue that the Bush adminsitration is run by former energy executives bent on destroying freedom. Since Nov. 7 Regime Change Day First 100 Hours I have seen nothing from the Democrats to stop them.

What we need is freedom. How many of you liberals support Cindy Sheehan, or did you let her down? The Left is just as guilty, or the president would be impeached and the wars stopped.

 

Joycey B (750)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 2:02 pm
Noted with anger. Thanks Cate.
 

Timothy Brown (1)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 2:09 pm
There is so very very much that the Bush administration has done, tried to do and wants to do. The environmental policy alone brings my systolic into the 200s. But this is not of them. The accessibility to the information, assuming it was properly controlled, could provide a lot of important benefits. If the federal and local constabulary want it for something else, you're already screwed.
 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 3:30 pm
Luke Skywalker... Where are you...
 

. (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 3:33 pm
New Parents Beware....It wouldn't surprise me if they start inserting chips into newborns when they take their footprints before being able to leave the hospitals.
Noted with concern. Thanks Cate.
 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 6:04 pm
Han Solo... Where are you...
 

Blu AbbeyCat (302)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 6:29 pm
....Luke has left the building ...,,errrr. the Planet. ...If we were smart we'd go with him....LOL ...NOTED.
 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 8:28 pm
The problem with this kind of thing is as it's always been, the rich and famous can afford to keep themselves and their kids out of the system so only the poor working peons will be subjected to this abuse.
 

Brandy Huston (230)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 10:08 pm
Noted thanks Cate. I won't be surprised if they start electronically IDing babies when they get there vacinations.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 11:46 pm
I will give up my life before I take the chip or anything similar to that--I VOTE FOR CIVIL WAR-UPRISING AGAINS ALL THIS CRAP--LET THE BASTARDS COME AND GET US---IF THEY CAN----noted and ty Cate
 

Sandra M Z (114)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 11:48 pm
Right after 9/11, someone said they knew someone who was somehow involved with the chips they put in wildlife to track & I. D. animals. This same (company?) was contacted right after that and told to be working on a human application! These chips have already been proven to cause cancer and more in animal recipients. Noted, thanks Cate.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 7:27 am
I agree with you Bergstrom all the way.You are right and that is true of what the Bible has been spoken about.Surely Jesus is Returning before that takes place. A lot of people don't want to take the chip and you have your right to make that decision about no chip on you. I totally agree Carolyn when you said something about when you get a surgery a code could be implanted without suspicion has not already has'nt already got one. I agree with all of you.
 

Sammantha L (126)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 7:30 am
Yes, Sandra, that's true. They DO cause cancer. I wouldn't put one in any pet of mine, and as far as putting any on/in me......Homey don't play that!
 

Mary Hendrix (0)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 9:16 am
I agree w/Fatima A.'s comment (see above). WE are the majority and WE hold accountable our elected reps/senators. Get to know your local legislators and SHOW UP at the hearings at your capitol where you can weigh in on matters that concern you. As a parent and citizen who votes, I have given testimony at least 8 times in the past few years on vaccine-related and CSAP bills. It's amazing the power one person has - imagine if more people showed up and wrote letters or spoke at these hearings. You don't have to be an "expert" to speak your mind. We are the constituents and they are obligated to listen to us. Become familiar w/your state legislature and if bills come up that you have an opinion on, call in by phone a "yes" or "no" vote. That's all they register and the total count goes to the senator or rep who is on the committee hearing the bill. Instead of lobbyists packing the room, it could be citizens and that is a powerful message. Think globally, act locally.
 

Cal W (37)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 10:44 am
It pains me greatly to know my grandchildren will grow up in a world where they are treated like farm animals, controled and protected by the rich powerful eilte only for what they can produce, like cows and chickens for food and donkeys to carry their heavy loads. I'm glad I grew up in a United States when the common citizens had some control over their lives and were respected and admired by people all over the world for their freedoms. And I'm happy, now that I'm Seventy, I won't have to live much longer in what our country is rapidly becoming. I'm sure this has a lot to do with why my "Mama" Judy passed on, she not only had physical pain from her surgery to deal with but she watched the news each day on TV and became so discussed she just gave up on living any longer.
Peace, and my love to all, Cal...
 

Dave Kane (308)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 10:58 am
I wouldn't be giving up yet -- screw these buttheads; I'll put my money on the hackers.

And yes, we the people hold all the power -- we just refuse to use it.

: ) Enjoy the day and remember -- Screw 'em!
 

Ruben Mejia (4)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 9:55 pm
Very good article. I totally agree with Cates assessment of the situation. It's been a few years since I have seen the movie 1984. Great movie. I do remember one scene in which the main character is being "re-educated", the man assigned to torture him asked the main character if he knew what the future will be like. The main charcter said no. His teacher said "imagine a boot stomping on your face forever". For those willing to take the dreaded mark, this is what the future holds. I must admit that if by me not taking the mark my children would not be able to eat (i.e. survive), really scares me.
 

nurith k (93)
Monday December 24, 2007, 4:39 pm
IF A GOVERNMENT DON'T FOLLOW THE LAW, WHY SHOULD THE PEOPLE??? THE PEOPLE OF ANY COUNTRY ARE THE POWER, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, NOT THE ARMY, AND NOT THE POLICE EITHER, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO LET A GOVERNMENT TREAT THEM BAD OR GOD, IT IS IN YOUR HANDS TO CHANGE IT!!! YOU ARE 300.000000 PEOPLE, VOTE FOR A PRESIDENT WHO SERVES ALL THE PEOPLE IN YOUR COUNTRY AND NOT JUST A MINORITY, THE ONLY FEAR YOU SHOULD FEAR IS FEAR!!!!
 

nurith k (93)
Monday December 24, 2007, 4:44 pm
ANYWAY, THESE CHIPS ARE SO SMALL, THEY CAN CHIP YOU BY VACCINATING YOU, LOOK AT THESE KIDS WHOS PARENTS GOT THREATENED WITH JAIL IF THEY DON'T LET THEIR KIDS BE VACCINATED, WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY REALLY GAVE THEM!!!
 

Jennie B (14)
Monday December 24, 2007, 8:59 pm
Nurith, that is silly....I'm sorry but this fear over vaccinating kids is just too much - there are enough REAL fears to deal with without that. I've read up on this and see no real correalation between vaccinations and autism or anything else - if anything except a reoccurence of old diseases that vaccines have been created to do away with - whooping cough, measles, even mumps-why put kids thru those which can cause terrible side effects and life long problems - I get really tired of hearing about it. And if they want to put the chips in, they won't be sneaky about it - they are already telling us they plan to do it - it's no surprise my friend- they are going to do it and make it some kind of requirement like a driver's license which it will take the place of...I think there is more to fear in the chip than in a vaccine....in fact, I know it. If it hadn't been for the SALK vaccine, a whole generation of us would be dis-abled from polio which was a scrouge and KILLED people before the vaccines hit the market. Perhaps you haven't lived in a world w/o vaccines - that was a world in which parents worried rightfully that they would lose at least one child and often lost more than one to diseases like chicken pox, German measles, polio, whooping cough, etc....a whole list...don't worry there are always more viruses to to catch and no vaccines for them...me, I'm thankful my children didn't die from those diseases -grateful they didn't have to have chicken pox and later HERPES ZOSTER which I had -it is miserable and much worse than the initial infection of chicken pox which stays in your spinal column until you are older then attacks the nerves. But thanks to the CHICKEN POX VACCINE, kids don't have to have it anymore but better yet, HERPES ZOSTER - a horrendously painful condition. There are always tradeoffs. There will always be some who are allergic to shots - soon w/decoding the human genome, they will be able to tell if ea. individual is allergic ahead of time to any kind of shot, vaccine or otherwise or has autism in their genetic makeup. And THAT is going to make a world of difference to all of us. Noted
 

Mary Hendrix (0)
Tuesday December 25, 2007, 9:58 am
Jennie,

What is 'nurith"? You need to do your homework w/regard to vaccines. As a wellness consultant for the past 25 years, I have seen firsthand the effects of over-vaccination. I invite you into the home of several families I know whose children were damaged by vaccines and some whose children died as a result. Over $1.7 billion has been compensated to families since '86 when Congress enacted the Vaccine Injury Compensation Act due to pressure from drug cos. who were being sued as a result of DTP reactions. The info I have on this subject would take you a month to read. However, for starters, I urge you to contact National Vaccine Information Center (www.nvic.org) and www.mercola.com for starters. I also know 7 doctors who do not vaccinate their own children and do not recommend them to their patients after witnessing vaccine reactions during their practice. Two are treating vaccine-damaged children. I myself had a reaction to the polio vaccine and almost died. Polio was already on its way out by 95% BEFORE the vaccine came out. However, drug cos. had already spent millions and were not about to throw the baby out w/the bathwater, so to speak. My grandfather was a well-known and highly respected doctor at that time and witnessed several cases of polio CAUSED BY THE VACCINE. In fact, all cases of polio in the last 40 years here in the US were a result of the live vaccine, which was finally pulled from the market and its inventor took back his original comments and realized what an error it had been. Also google search Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, one of the world's top immunogeneticists for his work on vaccine research and how 5 consecutive flu shots will increase your risk of developing Alzheimer's by 10% due to the synergistic effect of aluminum and mercury contained in the shot which causes cognitive dysfunction. And by the way, the chickenpox vaccine, per Dr. Andrew Weil, was only created to enable parents to not lose time from work. Chickenpox, measles and mumps are all necessary immune stimulants which clear out the system to ward off more serious ailments such as ALS, lupus, etc. Formaldehyde, aluminum, thimerosol (49.6% ethyl mercury, a known neuro-toxin), ethylene glycol (anti-freeze), carbolic acid, squalene, MSG, neomycin, streptomycin, dead animal pus, aborted fetal tissue, etc. DO NOT belong in a child or adult's body. By the time a child has entered 1st grade, they have received upwards of 60 doses of 17 vaccines. 1 in 6 children is now developmentally disabled, 1 in 9 children asthmatic, 1 in 86 boys is autistic (1 in 150 nationwide) - all results of over-vaccination which compromises the immune system. It is estimated that 80-85% of SIDS cases are vaccine reactions. Also check out Dr. Russell Blaylock and Dr. Boyd Haley for their research in vaccine dangers.
 

Denice G (45)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 9:57 pm
Thanks Cate Noted
 

Merry L (74)
Thursday December 27, 2007, 10:30 am
Very scary! I've been waiting for chipping, but this is so much worse!
 

Merry L (74)
Thursday December 27, 2007, 10:31 am
Very scary! I've been waiting for chipping, but this is so much worse!
 

Elle J (276)
Saturday December 29, 2007, 12:27 am
I will never agree to get a chip. Of course you will not be able to move about freely within the United States. I read that you either agree or stay put. This administration has made a mockery out of the Constitution. Little by little they have eaten away at the rights given to us by the Constitution. One thing in that article really disturbed me. Employers would be notified if a person was a suspect or charged with the crime. Well what if that person was found innocent of the charges? Would that stigma follow him/her for the rest of their lives? Thanks Cate for this story.
 

O O O (143)
Friday January 11, 2008, 12:09 pm
Fact:#1 Your agreement is neither sought nor even wanted,they have allready done all this& yes,it is real& already to point of being pernaious in replecation. Re hospitial chipping:it is already quite acitvely done.
It can & has been used as tracking braclet.
the "figer printing" Bush is useing is NOT the old standard,but is what used to be limited to that used upon Felons ONLY,which is the new grneral standard. This is full palb print going well above wrist,with full side to side&roll it over for most all mark fetures.
Fact,finger prints do replicate there patteren& more frequently than public belives.
It has been claimed,that eye patteren does NOT replicate,but they did once claim that of finger prints.
Why eye prints have not been used much,#1 few,due to cost of scanner,both for takeing & reading these prints.
#2 The big problem is the TIME it does take the scanner to read the print. This is so excssively long as to so far stop even most beracratic use.
#3 Eye scan is standard scan now& has been a long time in High Security areas.

Bar code like scan& units to support this system are already in place as tracking devices in whole pallets+indviual units sold,so one can be tracked already everywhere& these are extreemly small.
Can be found in clothing,books,ceral boxes,etc.
**VERY DANGERIOUS:as these do NOT req. the scanner for them to pass over them-they are RDIF type send signal on demand chips & LAST FOR YR'S in many cases w/o need for battery replacement!
These have been out now long enough to not even be considered a s new! Have "fun" people!

This is a good reason for a actively knowelgeable,willing to defend itself,Self ARMED public.

They can track,but it is the control of...,once you make contact that counts!

it was brought to my attention,that the big food producers do not have to do this,but the U.S> regulations under Bush have quitely been forceing by law,all family owned farm animals be tagged,even indviual chickens,so the idea that gov is about to take you over is not at all far featched& they w/attept to control you by the food supply,but also the water supply.
you can go quite awhile w/o food,usualy,though quite uncomfortable,for those of you who have never done this-try it,in the servivial mode setting! But one can NOT last very long w/o WATER.
Control; the water supply-those w/o-DIE-period,no exceptions. And this is not a nice way to go,either.

Ther are servivial training co.'s out there,but be careful whom you chose that they teach what is really needed& best bet is to use one that has,or has had a U.S. gov. training contract,or is or has been used by groups such as Soldier of Fortune magazine.
**Warning to weirdos:SOF magaxine is run by former & current militarty& police personel,not ever sof type people-but they are for their own Life's Sake-Very knowelgeable,but you MUST COBVINCE them of your own creatability as they will NOT put up with B.S.'ers! Good luck,you may well need it-& lots of it,but for knowlege,even if never used,is still Power.
 
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