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Hubris Personified


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Barack Obama, presidential election, presidential campaigns, arrogance, assumptions, hubris, politics, playacting )

RC
- 3765 days ago - washingtonpost.com
Before you start screaming, please be advised that this is an OPINION PIECE. I happen to find it right on the mark. Feel free to disagree RESPECTFULLY. Comments insulting to members' opinions will be flagged.



   

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RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:32 am
Love him or not, the man has already put on the mantle of the US presidency. Will his pre-election victory posturing turn people off?
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:44 am
Please note this is simply one person's observation of the candidate's pre-election behavior on the campaign trail. It is NOT an analysis of his proposed policies or other issues connected with the presidential contest.
 

Joycey B (750)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:07 am
No in November or a write in. Thanks Cate.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:12 am
Loved the way this was written. I wondered where Michelle was in all of this. One thing is for sure she was not home baking cookies!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE........
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:22 am
The petition for Julie is inching along. Let's get this thing in the mail! If you haven't signed, or if you've signed and not shared with your friends, petition groups etc., now is the time. Thank you so much. Justice for Julie
 

Margaret P (76)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:23 am
and we all know what they say about opinions, eh, Cate?????....lol....considering what G W has done to the country, I suppose Obama felt the need to do a little damage control and good will touring (sort of test the global waters, so to speak).

thanks for the morning chuckle, Cate......
 

Clever Pseudonym (176)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:26 am
The cigarette is photoshopped, right?
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:34 am
No, Jay...he's a smoker...trying to quit, he says. Any Google on him smoking will verify this.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:35 am
Maggi...wondering if the global waters are full of sharks....
 

Gorilly Girl (339)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:03 am
I actually love arrogance in people, as far as him being a smoker I dont care...I will still adore Obama. Cate thanks for the funny read..

Big Gorilly Hugs
 

Margaret Trainor (61)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:12 am
Wow I really was not aware that this intelligent man was a smoker...surprised me .Good article Cate
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:19 am
Noted Cate, thank you.
In all my years of voting, which are many, I have not ever once seen a presuptive presidential candidate acting in the manner that Obama is currently acting. We have not even had the November election, and he's going about with all the pomp and ceramony that a "real" president often does not do. His bubble may just burst if he loses the election. Anything is possible at this point, and all Obama is doing is giving more ammunition to the Republicans to use against him in November. They are havin a hard enough time as it is to find something that would really discr
dit, but I believe they have found just what they're looking for now.
No I can understand why some people call him NOBamaa. Greet article.
 

Joan Mclaughlin (133)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:39 am
Hubris, sometimes spelled hybris (ancient Greek ὕβρις), is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, self-confidence, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well. It was most evident in the public and private actions of the powerful and rich. The word was also used to describe actions of those who challenged the gods or their laws, especially in Greek tragedy, resulting in the protagonist's downfall.[citation needed]

Hubris, though not specifically defined, was a legal term and was considered a crime in classical Athens. It was also considered the greatest sin of the ancient Greek world. That was so because it not only was proof of excessive pride, but also resulted in violent acts by or to those involved. The category of acts constituting hubris for the ancient Greeks apparently broadened from the original specific reference to mutilation of a corpse, or a humiliation of a defeated foe, or irreverent "outrageous treatment" in general.

The meaning was eventually further generalized in its modern English usage to apply to any outrageous act or exhibition of pride or disregard for basic moral laws. Such an act may be referred to as an "act of hubris", or the person committing the act may be said to be hubristic. Atē, ancient Greek for "ruin, folly, delusion," is the action performed by the hero, usually because of his/her hubris, or great pride, that leads to his/her death or downfall.

The ancient Greeks had it CORRECT!!!MAYBE IT SHOULD BE A CRIME!Pride is fine but it is how you show it off!But that is my opinion.I was raised by family that is part Quaker and Pa Dutch.We should all try to be a bit more MEEK.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:42 am
Oh Stephanie, I agree that his smoking is no a concern...its hows he's human and not a god! Tiger hugs back at you. And Joan, you've posted a great comment!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:50 am
Joan......Great explanation of the word. As for Obama & Michelle as well it would be difficult for either of them to tone it down for as I see it it is a characteristic inheirited or handed down.

But all of us will have to wait and see who actually is elected and watch what happens afterwards..........

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE......
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 8:04 am
I must laugh. About the comment he made: "This is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that thew world has been waiting for."
A Democratic aide told CNN that comment was made in the context of "Americans struggling and demanding change." A Democratic source also told CNN's sister publication Time Magazine that Obama's point was the campaign is "NOT about him."
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 8:22 am
"This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for," adding: "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

Taking it apart:

"This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for,"

I take this to mean that after 7.5 years of a disastrous president and policy, the world is ready to be rid of GWB for good. Now that GWB is, hopefully, insignificant and we are focused on a new president, there is hope. While Obama wants to be the next president, the world is hopeful toward someone other than GWB.

"I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions."

I agree with this statement and do not see hubris. Obama has become symbolic (not representative) of hope, progress, family values, honesty, integrity, opportunity, humanitarianism, fairness, good neighbor to foreigners, end of corruption, security, pride in country, a country respected around the world and many other values we associate with America.

GWB has ruined that image of America and McCain symbolizes more of GWB's policies. Obama does, in fact, symbolize the possibility of returning to our best traditional values.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 8:39 am
I must respectfully agree to disagree about the best traditional values part, Marion.There is nothing admirable about being a member of a racist church for 20 years and then disavowing it as a political expediency.
 

Mark Wyman (109)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 8:40 am
What an overwhelming ego !!! No in November is getting to be about the only realistic approach to this "Election" ?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:13 am
I respectfully disagree, dear Cate--lol. I am with Obama all the way. Love the sound of President Barack Obama. xoxox
 

(1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:19 am
I say respectfully Go Obama GO
 

(1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:24 am
respectfully Dear Cate why the smear picture?
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:31 am
I'm sorry the caption does not appeal to you, Mama...as far as the cigarette...well, the man smokes.
 

Nevaeh M (75)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:32 am
Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it's the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You've just got to take each person for what they are and look for the good in them.
i belive no-one can save you from Error or Sin
Until you have hark'd to the Spirit within.
The lesson he has learned was not given for free.

the fee was his soul. To Open heart, & enrol He has paid for the lesson of his past
give him his due.he has
conquered his life
overcome fears. Obama spirit is strong.I feel he was his own Devil,as a young man .he has fashioned the paths for his footsteps .he's in a race of conscious of pause
With love for the purpose, and love for the Cause.
I do know this! this man is in for the most
chaos the system has hurled ,his
path may be clouded & uncertain .I belive he will stay on course & reshape a new world. for us all .thanks noted
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:34 am
Amen Cate........Perhaps many of us believe that all blacks are supporting Obama for the good, bad or indifference about him simply because he is part black. However, that does not mean or could not mean every black walking the earth supports this man for just the reason of being one of his own.
McCain is one of my own but I do not want to see this man elected and see another Bush in office in another mans' body.
So, why have we not heard more of those who do exist who do not swallow all Obama stands for......Where are they? Or, are these people afraid to speak up and say so?

Aside from all his flip flopping future political policies we may have to deal with the most disturbing fact is his past past involvement of the church he once belonged to.........The question here is has he taken on a new religion to guide him through the trauma's & melodrama's of being a president?

In light of all the hype of his past attendance to this trinity church we the people need to know what & who will guide him through the days to come. None of us deserve to be mislead anymore than we already have.....

Do we?

Cate, it certainly seems his dumping his former church was done for political expediancy.

“There are two types of people -
those who come into a room and say,
"Well, here I am!" and those who come in and say,
"Ah, there you are."”
G.B. Shaw

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE................
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:42 am
Ohhhhhhh heavens.....I respectfully diagree as well.......
Darn.....Age is getting to me!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.............
 

Sheila K (127)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:43 am
Joan great comment and I have to agree with you about the lack of pride. I have been a staunch Democrat my entire life and now I am nothing. I definately am NOT a Republican, and lean more towards the Libertarian party at this point in time. I have NEVER trusted Obama and I can't tell you why it's just a "gut" feeling. But, I didn't trust Hillary either. The fact is I trust NO ONE in politics anymore. It's a sad state of affairs when we have NO ONE we believe we can put our trust in. The ruination of the country started happening years ago, but GWB did us in. I used to be an optimist and generally am about life, etc. but NOT about the future of this country. (sigh) Thanks for the post, Cate, as usual you have give us something else to think and comment on.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:54 am
Sheila, you are saying exactly what I have felt and said from the beginning - I just did not an do not trust this man. At my age I have learned to listen to my gut.

And Bette dear, love the Shaw quote - here, have a cold cloth and calm down...LOL
 

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:55 am
You know I love ya dearly, Cate, but I'm voting for Obama. After the arrogance and ego of the present administration, Obama seems deserving of a bit of 'tude. And after what the suffragettes went thru so that I could vote, I'm not likely to refuse to do so.
 

(1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:02 am
No dear Cate he quite Have you?

and it still doesnot explain the smear picture
I must say dear cate it was smart of you Yes?
 

(1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:20 am
Obama: I Have Become a Symbol
Posted by BLAKE DVORAK | E-Mail This | Permalink | Email Author
The Wash Post's Jonathan Weisman reported on a closed-door meeting between Obama and the Democratic caucus last night and what the nominee said was the buzz of the morning news shows:

The 200,000 souls who thronged to his speech in Berlin came not just for him, he told the enthralled audience of congressional representatives. "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions," he said, according to the source.
Weisman has updated his original post with this:

On Wednesday morning, House leadership aides pushed back against interpretations of this comment as self-aggrandizing, saying that when the presumptive Democratic nominee said, "I have become a symbol of the possibility of America," he was actually trying to deflect attention from himself.
No tape of the event exists and no one is denying the quote.

But one leadership aide said the full quote put it into a different context. According to that aide, Obama said, "It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign -- that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It's about America. I have just become a symbol."

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/07/obama_i_have_become_a_symbol.html
 

Brenda H (29)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:21 am
IS HE DARKER IN THIS PHOTO!
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:23 am
I don't know, Brenda, I didn't take it...maybe he was in shadow? Looks like it was taken in a back room somewhere...might have been very dark in there.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:24 am
Arielle, love you too, darlin'...and I agree wholeheartedly with you about the suffragettes...I'll be voting too - in the write-in column.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:25 am
Bette dear, would you re-cool that cloth and pass it on over to Mama? Thanks, sugar.
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:31 am
Cigarettes is not the only thing he is smoking. After all, crack is in the same family as cocaine. He has not admitted to smoking crack, but I am sure the Republicans will find his suppliers to confirm it lol.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:31 am
When Republicans refuse to criticise any of their candidates, is it any wonder why their "unity" wins elections and helps them retain power?

Please explain to me what the "pay off" is for each Democrat here who criticises another Democrat?

You are only contributing to the RepubliCON $mear machine.

 

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:38 am
ROFL - Maria, you are hilarious! Where DO you come up with these things?
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:42 am
The pay off, Blue, is exercising our right to civic power. The power is, that we own our own vote. The power is, we can think for ourselves. The power is, that have the power to make change. The Power is that we can vote outside of our party if we deem necessary. The power is that we do not have to accept some one that was selected but not elected.

Obama a Democrat? hmmmm with shades of socialism, marxism and separatism, it is hard to find the Democrat in Obama.
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:55 am
Arielle, Obama himself admitted he used cocaine, read his books. There are reports of him using crack all over the net, and it is rumored that the GOP has evidence of it. Larry Sinclair, his ex homosexual lover, has confirmed that Obama smoked crack in his presence, while he snorted coke.

If you snort cocaine - - than smoking crack is not that far of a streach.

Here is a question. Smoking cocaine and homosexual affairs( while married). Why has Obama and his Chicago cronies, at the very least, sue Sinclair for these accusations? Why has Obama not addressed Sinclair on his "fight the smears" website?

Smoking Crack and homosexual adulterer is a lot more devastating in middle America than whether he is Muslim or not. Yet, he refuses to address those allegations. How about the Murder of Mr. Donald Young, Trinity's Choir director, another alledged homosexual lover of Obama.

Incidentally, Rev. Jeremiah Wright has published a book, and he is suppose to be on Hannity and Colmes some time this week - I believe. That should be very interesting... As Wright said to Obama as he looked in the camera at the press conference " I am coming after you."

 

ELGIN LEE BAKER (51)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:58 am
noted .......CATE

i like your comment and polite direction on this post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 10:59 am
Marai, John McCain's wife Cindy was a drug addict, she had forged prescriptions for pain killers, stole money from her own charitable foundation ... and don't tell me that John McCain doesn't take pain killers ...
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 11:04 am
Blue, pain killers and recreational use is not the same thing. The woman was ill, No one wants to hurt. Obama was partying! Rezko was famous for his drug parties, and that was put into evidence at his trial.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 11:06 am
Handing out cold cloths all around...FOCUS, people! It's about the CAMPAIGN ASPECT here, NOT peccadilloes, virtues and shortcomings.
 

Rachel D (57)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 11:10 am
Hubris = A Democratic candidate behaving like a winner for once, instead of shuffling along and taking a beating (like Kerry did in '04)
 

Michelle P (262)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 11:11 am
The 'smoking' picture has already been dubunked as a fake. And it clearly is one, if you know about digital photo manipulation.

As for the rest, if he didn't act presidential, all of you who have been claiming that he isn't experienced enough would be upset that he wasn't acting presidential. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. And while everyone puts the man under the microscope, looking for every way they can interpret his actions as bad/wrong/etc, John McCain is getting a pass while his behavior has been arrogant in the extreme, full of lies, half truths and manipulations, telling people that McCain isn't saying things that they have him on tape saying in the previous 24 hours.

Sad. Just sad.
 

. (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 12:20 pm
No in November Cate and I know what you mean handing out cold clothes for its heating up for sure!!! Will move along before I'm swooped down on like a Eagle.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 12:27 pm
Cate......You are a riot!!!!!! Am stayin' cool until Nobama November....

Plant trees for life..............
 

Christine M (61)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:04 pm
why doesn't everyone just agree that neither candidate is worth our going to the polls to vote for and call it a day... thanks cate, another great post...:)... y'all sound ridiculous...
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:18 pm
I came back to write anoher comment regarding Barack Obama and John McCain. I am an Inependent voter, and I can choose to vote for either candidate if I wish to do so. The point I was trying to make that the Democrats are trashing their own presumptive candidate for president, and this sort of thing gives the Republicans the fuel they need to slam Obama, as if he isn't being slammed by Fox News on a daily basis. Bill O'Reilly refers to him aa Hussein Obama, and has also accused him of being tied to a radical Islamic Church, which isn't true. Rush Limbaugh has said the same things on his radio talk show. He should have been fired for lying about being addicted to pain killers and forging prescriptions. It is a federal crime to forge a prescription for any type of pain killers.
Blue is very correct when she said that Cindy (Hensley) McCain was addicted to pain killers. She has openly admitted to this fact. What she failed to say is that she stole money from her charity and forged prescriptions for pain killers. But there is a double standard between the middle class average citizen and those who are prominent and very wealthy. They never are charged for the crims they commit, especially when it comes to voilating federal laws regarding prescriptions for Tranquilizing drugs or pain killers. Noelle Bush was not ever prosecuted for forging prescriptions. She did go to a drug treatment facility but often walked out, and didn't return. Her parents never even went to court to support their own daughter. Some father and mother she had. Jeb Bush should have supported his daughter, but he chose not to. And when one of the employees of the drug treatment center where Noelle was found Cocain in her shoes,and reported it to his supervisor he was reprimanded, and then discharged. Rush Limbaugh violated the terms of his probation several times and never went to jail. If you or I forged a prescription you can bet the feds would prosecute us to the fullest extent the law allows, and some drug violations carry a minimum mandatory sentence of five years.

I am retracting the comment I wrote about Obama, although I don't have to, but I have to agree with Blue. I have read many comments posted here referring to Obama as NOBama, and they claim to be Democrats. If you don't supprot your candidate for president then say so, rather than use the Repulicon attack mode against Sen. Obama and his wife. We are very quick to judge when we shouldn't be judging anyone. We must first judge ourselves before we judge others. I know most of the comments were because of the article Cate posted on the news network for each of to read. It was they who severely critisized their choice for presidential cadidate. I just pointed out that I have not ever seen this type of behavior from a presuptive candidate. I was not critizing Obama, just making an obsevation, which I probably should not have made. But not being a Republican nor a Democrat I do have a different view on both candidated. I have slammed McCain many times, but this was the first time I slammed Obama, and it will be the last time I slam either candidates. It is best I keep my opinion to myself. That way I won't find myself in hot water for something that I said that was negative. I will allow the news media, and the print media to slam the candidates for that is what they get paid to do. I appologize if I have upset any Obama supporters and or McCain supporters. I worry about McCain mostly because of his age and health. I don't believe he can lead our country in the right direction, and he did not flip flop on his position on Iraq, but rather changed his opinion in support of a troop withdrawal from Iraq within the 16 month time frame that Nuri Al Maliki agreed with when he met with Obama. It was not until Al Maliki agreed with Obama that McCain changed his opinion regarding staying in Iraq for the next 100 yrs., or whatever it takes to win. McCain is correct when he said the surge worked, but it only worked militarily, and not politically. The Iraqi government is not strong enough to stand on its own as yet, and it remains to be seen when the can stand on their own, but in truth they would not have to if Bush did not preemptively attack Iraq simply because he did not like Saddam Hussein. There are numerous countries who dislike the Untied States, but they have not attacked us because they don't like the US, or its government. Saddam posed no threat to the US nor to any of his neighbors, however, Bush lied in order to make a case for war against Iraq. We should be focussing on getting Bush/Cheney impeached rather than slamming the candidates. I don't believe we know enough about either one of them, and can we really trust what is said on the Internet? I have many false claims on the Internet, so I don't depend on the pundits who write news stories on the Net. All of us have done things that we don't want other people to know about. Our candidates are no different, but because they are in public life they are under a microscope, and every little nit $hit thing they do or say is critisized, and often very harshly. I know what it feels like to be ripped apart on Care2, as I have been ripped apart many, many times when I fisrt joined in July of '04. For this reason I stay out of the groups where these attack often occur.
I rest my case and will allow the jury to decide my fate....
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:26 pm
Sorry for the typos....
 

Linda K (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:46 pm
For all of you that are looking for some way of justifying the fact that you don't want to take responsibility for this country you live in -- GET REAL. If we can't or won't elect decent leaders, it's our own fault. NOT anyone else -- US. You are blind if you think all you need to do is sit back and take shots at the rest of humanity in order to have "lived a good life". As for me, I've gotten over "no one is good enough" -- that doesn't matter as much as putting you and your resources behind what you supposedly believe in. Talk is CHEAP and it appears many of you are, as well.
 

Darlene K (356)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:47 pm
So very noted...lol.., thank you Cate. I am not voting for NObama, and will write in my vote or go Green Party. I will know the day I cast my ballot. Bette, I love the quote, by G.B. Shaw, keep shining gal.
 

Linda K (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:52 pm
Oh, PS -- and if you haven't yet noted the TROLLS in this line, you should look up the word in your dictionary.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 1:56 pm
Pouring a whole bucket of cold water out now...
 

Ronnie B (4)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 2:26 pm
Dana Milbank is a lil whiny beeahtch!
 

Terrie W (798)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:01 pm
You pour the cold water Cate, I'll crank up the snow machine!
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:04 pm
This is actually a photoshopped picture. There are a couple photoshopped pictures lurking around with him smoking and they are fakes. Here is one discussion that shows the original photo:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3834308

He also quit smoking and chews nicotine gum. He quit last year and in June he admitted that a few months ago he had a slip up, but he is an EX smoker. People that believe this without investigating it, are the same people that believe that hateful lie filled email.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:07 pm
Yikes!!!! I'm so glad I'm Canadian and have the right to vote any way I wish,without being registered as a specific Party, for any Candidate I feel will do the job. Ahem,,,I did not vote for Stephen Harper, who's head is firmly planted up G.W. Bush's butt. Thankfully we can also change administrations as well.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:32 pm
Larry Craig is a NUTJOB Maria. Anyone that spouts his lies is just smearing. Larry Criag, who recently made allegations that Senator Barack Obama met him back in 1999 for sex n drugs in the back of limo has failed not one, but two polygraphs.

The site, Whitehouse.com, had offered Sinclair the sum of $10,000 to take a polygraph plus another check for $100,000 if he passed. To prove they were not bi-partisan the site also offered the woman at the center of the McCain lobbyist mini-scandal, Vicki Iseman, the same offer.

Whitehouse.com used the services of highly respected polygraph expert, Dr. Ed Gelb. Sinclair passed a drug test before taking the tests, both administered on Friday. On the first test, questions were administered about Sinclair’s claims that he and Obama had sex. The second test focused on Sinclair’s claims that he and Obama did drugs. Dr.Gelb found “deception was indicated” in both tests. Absent any other developments this is the end of the road for Larry Sinclair.

As DBKP reported in its story yesterday, the supermarket tabloid, The Globe, had found additional information on Sinclair’s background. According the Globe, the 46-year-old ex-con Sinclair had spent time in prison for credit card fraud, had admitted being a dope smuggler and a “coyote”, a person who smuggles people into the country, for a price.

He was recently arrested on outstanding warrants. The man is a lying con artist, most likely paid by the repub smear machine to cast doubts. That is all their campaign is at this time. Casting doubts with untrue attacks.

Don't get me wrong. I am not all pie in the sky, but lies need to be pointed out as these are morally wrong and people that knowingly spread these lies are dishonest.


 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:38 pm
Cate.....I have a ice floe on standby in the Antartic...........

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.......
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:42 pm
Putting on my parka and mukluks, Bette...
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:43 pm
Thank you Mary. This reminds me of the email chain letters that give this or that warning. People forward them without checking for validity. Once we learn they are scams, smears or without warrant, the person sending the message loses credibility.

To promote the candidate of our choice, we appear credible when we stick with the issues, not smears.


People do not believe lies because they have to, but because they want to ~ Malcolm Muggeridge
 

Gayla S (50)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:46 pm
WOW!!! This post has brought all of the BS'ers and devotees out of the woodworks. It's nice to see this much mud slinging and BS arriving on these pages. Great work Cate.
Noted.
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 3:56 pm
You mean Larry Sinclair? Whitehouse, a porn site, was paid $750,000 I believe it was to lie about the results.

But for argument sakes, let's agree Larry is a Nut Job. Why has Obama not sued him for slander? If there is a reason to sue it would be for slanderous allegations of sex, drugs and murder. Why has Obama not addressed Sinclair's allegations on his "fight the Smear" site. Also, the Chicago Police has interviewed Sinclair about Obama and the murder of Mr. Young.

Incidentally, Sinclair has admitted to his criminal past and he has been very transparent about his legal problems- -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUNEip42xsM

Politicians on public figures have sue for less. What is Obama waiting for? Sinclair is screaming from the roof tops is all over the internet. Why is Obama so quite about him? Well, I am sure the Republicans well shed light on it after the convention.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:06 pm
It is a hard road here in the south to promote honesty in this campaign. I actually overheard a large, loud southern man telling a group of people standing in line in a restaurant that Obama is a muslim that took his office oath on the Koran. Said he refused to use the bible. I just could not let it go. I said, "Excuse me, but that is false, Obama did take his Senate oath on the bible and there are photos that prove it." He was not a happy camper and started loudly calling me names and saying that he knows it for a fact. I told him he needed to go back and double check his source, as this has been proven to be a lie. It was actually scarry. He got up in my face. I tried to remain calm. Management had to come over and he left.

I do support Obama. I used to like McCain, as I thought he was a different kind of polititian, but he has backtracked on every issue I actually cared about, that bucked his party. I am not glassy eyed about Obama, but he has been more positive and less negative and dishonest than the other candidates. It is my hope that a democratic president with a democratic house and senate can actually get something meaningful done. Effect real change. For so many years it has been parties preventing the other party from doing anything. Nothing gets done. Nothing important will ever get done this way. I just have to belive that this could change things in this country for the better.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:33 pm
"Win the election? Didn't he do that already?"...Being the last line from the report "President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour" must give some indication of the current standard, or lack thereof of the Washington Posts adherence to the code of 'impartial' reporting...Maybe, if pushed, this article might legitimately appear in 'Letters to the Editor'...Or perhaps in a 'Dear Heart' column under the banner of 'jilted Lover'?...
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:36 pm
Not that it matters... but Obama is Muslim.

Meet his brother Malik Obama he confirms Obama "Muslim background"
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm

New York Times has Obama on tape reciting the Muslim Call to Prayer in Arabic. Thus they know he was raised as a Muslim.

"Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”


Note that the interview was Feb 27, 2007 in Obama’s Senate office and the column was printed March 6, 2007.

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=1&


http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2008/07/15/kristof-new-york-times-has-tape-obama-muslim-prayer-arabic/

The Republicans are going to have a field day with Obama. Thank you DNC, once again you screwed our chance to win the White House. I bet you wish you have selected Clinton instead of Obama. Think about it! The convention is your last chance.

What does matter that he lied about it!

 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 4:41 pm
More thinks...How many $ did the Washington Post throw away to the Republican campaign?...
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:04 pm
Excuse me, but I believe Obama has better things to do right now, then become involved in a lawsuit against a kook and bring these crazy accusations into the main stream. While most thinking people realize that this guy is really off his rocker and there is absolutely NOTHING to support his rambling statements and plenty to disprove it, there will be some like Maria that will choose to think there might be something to it. If it were taken into the mainstream by a lawsuit, FOX would be all over it, without the facts. There are enough lies out there without dignifying such outlandish BS with a response.

Sinclair did not admit to 27 years of a criminal record, or the fact that he was on food stamps with no money, he cannot produce any employment records or even where he lives. This guy is just really weird and taking him seriously is the same.

Whitehouse is NOT a porn site. Anyone else care to visit the site and verify that this is a lie? The domain was leased by a European adult company and the domain owner took it back in 2004.

The $750,000 is just a lie threw out by Larry just before the release of the polygraph in an email to whitehouse. I have seen the stream of back and forth emails and this came out of left field by Larry, with no reason for making the accusation and absolutely no proof or anyone else stating this. If it were so, how did Larry discover it? Just a thrown out accusation by a lunatic. This guy is crazy. He has said many times he would provide proof or people to collaborate, but in over a year has not done so. He said the limo driver would collaborate and he would produce him, but then he said he could not. Not one shred of evidence in this.

Now Larry is attacking Ed Gelb who did the first lie detector test. Larry says his PhD was obtained from La Salle Extension University, which has since closed. He says it was a diploma mill. La Salle Extension University (LSEU) was a nationally accredited private university, originally based in Chicago, Illinois at 4046 Michigan Avenue (41st Street & Michigan). During the 1940’s, LSEU relocated its administrative offices to the historic downtown Chicago area known as “The Loop,” at 417 S. Dearborn Street, near Grant Park. The University was in operation for over 90 years, from 1908 to around 2000, and was affiliated with the University of Chicago through adjunct professors, scholars, writers and other members of its faculty.

Edward Gelb, Ph.D., has been detecting lies and verifying the truth since 1956. Dr. Gelb is known to attorneys for his expertise and noteworthy cases. He is known to the public through the T.V. program, “Lie Detector” which he hosted with attorney, F. Lee Bailey and as the lie detection expert on Spain’s hit television program, “La Maquina De La Verdad.” Dr. Gelb provides answers for attorneys having cases requiring the highest level of expertise. He also accepts corporate and private cases where accuracy is paramount. All inquiries are held in the strictest confidence.

Now Larry is on a rant at whitehouse.com, since they posted his detector results that show him to be lying. This guy is off the range. Here is a site that acutally looks at this whole issue:

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/03/larry-sinclair-obama-accuser-goes-after-whitehousecom/
 

Yvonne W (229)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:04 pm
Huberis, arrogance - I think Bu$h overplayed his hand, and his tiny mind.
Obama is Not Bu$h-League, if you would Rather have another RepubliCON, then stay home or vote that way..
I would rather have Dennis Kucinich, but I will GLADLY "settle" for Obama.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:11 pm
Hmmm, you really should read your own links Maria. The article you linked to
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
has been updated and now claims that this statement was incorrect. It says Malik is Muslim, not Obama.

Jake Tapper, ABC News senior national correspondent, commenting on the recording in his blog, observes that "nowhere in there does Malik expressly say anything about Obama having a Muslim background. And nowhere does he 'confirm' anything about Obama having a Muslim background.
 

Past Member (2031)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:16 pm
Has Obama started wearing a gold crown yet?
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:24 pm
Mary, It has already been established the MSM is in the tank for Obama. Let them tell you in their own words. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/07/mccain-campai-1.html

The Republicans, RNC, "swift boaters" and Fox News are sitting on their hands and biting their bleeding tongues about Sinclair and the other rumors. Why? Because they do not want to run against Clinton. They are waiting until after the Denver Convention to run with that and much more.

With less than 100 days until the election. Have you wonder why the Republicans are so quite? Have you wonder where is the Karl Rove energy? Have you wonder why they too have pretty much given Obama a pass, with such weak ads they are using as fillers? Have you wonder why the heads at Fox News have treated Obama with Kid Gloves, while the other major news organizations Ripped Clinton apart as a politician, woman and the wife of Bill Clinton.

The reason why there has been only four Democratic presidents ( Bill Clinton served two of those two times), is because the Republicans are masters at the political game. The Republicans and et al, are holding their cards close, keeping mum, doing their darnest not to smile to big when discussing how it is such a tight race in the most Democratic year.

After the convention, is when the Repubicans et al will let the demons out of the gates, and sink Obama.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:25 pm
Obama would know the call to prayer as his father was a non-practicing muslim. You should also read the full extent of Kristoffs article on this. In fact, the article praised Obama and states why he is very qualified to be President!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/davidhuntington/CqsD
 

Darlene K (356)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:44 pm
Kristi....LOL ((hugs)). Maria V, I wish I could send you more than a star, keep shining gal..Much Love and Peace...Namaste, Dar
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:45 pm
Now there is no one who will agrue with me on this.......What this country needs is an all American native indian as president!!

This really is their land & their chance at a high political office is long long over due!!!!!!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE...............
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:47 pm
The Repubs would love to be able to knock Obama out. They have been spending YEARS digging up the dirt on Hillary and Bill. They had a tell all coming out about Bill's recent affairs. Obama being nominated was devestating to them and republican insiders have admitted this. They are trying to get a handle on how to attack him. I am sure they will have an October surprise and that would be true no matter who won the Democratic nomination. I seriously doubt that surprise has anything to do with the unsubstantiated claims you have made.

Oh, and when the gay thing was going around the blogs claimed they had proof with a blurry photo that turned out to be Barack and Edwards meeting to discuss his endorsing Obama.

Lastly, the claim that the Main Steam Media is in the tank for Obama has also been proven to be false!

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.

You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.

During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.



 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:50 pm
I agree with Bette, but I don't know of any American Indians running for President.
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 5:53 pm
Does anyone know how to stop tracking a thread?
 

Mary Lee (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:14 pm
Right under the Compose your comment and submit box is the Stop Tracking link.
 

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:26 pm
Duh...it was right there in my face, lol!

Thanks, Mary.
 

. (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 6:50 pm
Ive got to go with Stephanie here,Obama looks damn cool here.Politics shouldn't be about image,its about policies,making a difference,empowering people ,fairness,etc..but just for once,i'll bow to my superficial side and say that despite what my rational brain says.. he still looks suave as f**k.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:16 pm
The Power of Positive Thinking.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:30 pm
I can say two things the picture of Obama with a cigarette is definately photoshopped because the man quit smoking during the debates and you can definately see the cigarette is not between his lips or that would be one hell of a long filter .I guess some of us are more observent than others or you see only what you want to see. I smoke so what!
The darkening of him in this photo has nothing to do with him being in a dark room as you said Cate and anyone with an eye can see that from the light background behind him.This picture was meant to be unflattering !Maybe not by you Cate but you chose it didn't you !
Good article Mamabear !How true Blue Bunting . What purpose does this serve Cate other than providing some amusement to Obama haters ?

Well Marie ,,from an poor taste in articles about his foreign trip to smoking crack ,,now that's quite a leap ! First of all his drug experimenting was in his teens not as an adult and half the damn country has experimented with drugs at one time or other and gone on to lead productive lives ,,so what is the big deal .Boy I would love to see a show of hands as to how many of you have experienced any kind of drug in your younger years .At least the man was honest about it ! Now you are really making things up off the top of your head when you say he smoked crack and had sex with Larry Craig .If that were true the Republican's would be all over that news in a heartbeat and you know it and they sure wouldn't be waiting for after any convention to do it either.Their not all over it because there is such a thing as slander if you tell something or write something about someone publicly that's not true ,I am sure that no reporter would want to be in court for slander and lose his job for spreading that kind of garbage that isn't true .BTW you might want to keep that in mind in the future when you open your mouth.
Give it up Marie ,Mary proved you wrong every time yet you still keep up the false information crap.
Fox news now wanted Obama to win well omg ,that is sweet and news to me and my sister the Republican who watches Fox news and also voted as an Independent for Hillary because Republican's wanted Hillary to win the primary not Obama,"you should know that right ,"and Fox news is big time Republican.She even tried convincing me to vote for Hillary but I was smarter than that !The only swiftboater and Karl Rove energy I see is in here Marie,telling lies and bashing away at Obama .I suppose the jokes Fox made about Michelle and Obama fist pumping and calling Michelle, Obama's baby mama was using kid gloves on him too right Marie .Please get off it !Tell me what will you say when the convention is over and none of these so call stories gets serious press .I heard it all before ,wait till this or wait till that and of course when the time does come your all wrong .

Mary forget her your wasting your breath ,she knows the truth she's not about truth she is about slander and swiftboating and spreading the hate .
 

MK Ray (1)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 7:32 pm
If you want to stay home or write in a canditate- fine. Just don't vote for McCain. If the Republicans retain power, forget about doing anything meaningful regarding healthcare, energy, political corruption, and the red-ink deficit that is draining away the value of our dollar. To bring back the rule of law, you must vote for Obama. He is not perfect, but there is no other choice. With Republicans, you can abandon all hope.
 

Marjorie G (29)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:00 pm
The reason that the repugs are not slamming BO now is because they want to be sure that he gets the nomination at the convention.If they start now and BO tanks,they still have HILLARY waiting in the wings,and that they really don't want.They have nothing left to dirty her with,it's already out there.
Second,at almost all of these huge rallies BO has most of the people are there for the CONCERT.You can be sure they wouldn't pay to see him.
 

Maria V (60)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:03 pm
It is going to be a looooong August month.

Linda,

Michele introduce Obama as "her baby's daddy." that is where Fox news got it from ...hear it in her own voice -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMrJwUCZDk

"No one wants to be in court for slander" - as when the New York reported on the alledged affair McCain had, and apologized later. Like when Hannity and Colmes had the segment on Edwards affair and love child. Once again, the MSM is still protecting Obama but not for long, and the RNC/FOX news is holding on their reserve on Obama goods until after the convention.

A Puerto Rican tv station interviewed Larry Sinclair (not Craig) during the primaries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLPYck2CmA&feature=related

You must admit... Fox news has been very soft on Obama thus far ... but O'Reilly did hint about Sinclair... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjPuVJwWg-Q

I am not talking about high school partying here... I am talking about buying and smoking crack as a politician. It is still against the law, and no one is above the law. Not hard to prove, find his suppliers and I am sure RNC well if has not yet.


If I am wrong, I will whole heartly apologize, trust me. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong. I wish I was ... as this whole campaign has been given me nightmares.

I have a question. How would you all feel and think if Clinton is nominated in Denver?

 

Marjorie G (29)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:07 pm
P.S. I thought that with the super ego bush/chaneywith team we were all tired of the ego trip stuff.Presumptive behavior is never attractive and tends to off put people,the more he puffs up the worse he looks,he needs no one to pat him on the back he is perfectly capable of taking care of that himself thank you!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 30, 2008, 9:08 pm
With all the dubious comments about Obama's black past, he is looking more and more like a REAL person to me...Barack for King!...
 

Rachel D (57)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:49 am
There really is no pleasing some people. If Obama went overseas and came off as unpolished and inexperienced, Obama detractors would say that he was unpresidential. When his trip is a success, it's hubris. That he carries himself well and is confident and well-liked is nothing but a mark in his favor. Especially after the inarticulate stumblings of our most recent president.

The Democrats have been like mice the last 8 years, taking whatever scraps the fat cats have left behind. Progressive politics has been on the defensive. Obama may not be FDR, but a Democrat embracing genuine leadership is a refreshing thing.
 

Linda H (13)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 9:42 am
Barak Obama may not be perfect, but if you vote "No" or don't vote you are basically voting for McCain. If McCain gets in office we will loose many more of our civic rights-he will follow Bush's lead all the way. Since everyone of on this group may now be considered a subversive-that's close to 9 million people now, many of us could all be in danger of prison for our anti-government views-not that that will shut my mouth LOL.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:08 am
Keep dreaming Marie about that convention !
Dang even after Mary gave you your own links which discounted what you said your still sticking to your propaganda story .I guess you hold to the theory ,,when caught in a lie ,,deny ,deny,deny .A little bad character there if you ask me !

Marjorie ,,so let me get this straight ,,you want a president that shows no confidence in himself ,,is that right .
Rachel was entirely right .All of you who take offence to his trip would have been the same people who would have slammed him for not acting Presdential enough if he had not gone on this trip or went on it showing no confidence in himself !Its a no win situation !

Funny you should say Majorie that the Repugs are not slamming Obama when I just got through posting on one of MCains many Obama slamming video's !
As I said previously ,,you see only what you want to see and right now what you want to see is anything that supports your negative views of Obama even if they have been proven to be lies .

BTW for those who said that its only Obama supporters mentioning Hillary in these posts and that its not about Hillary .I have see quite a few of you talking about Hillary here and its not Obama supporters doing it !Even those who say they will write in their vote !
This is the underlying bitterness behind all these Obama bashing posts ,,we aren't stupid, we know where your coming from !

Tell me what did you accomplish by posting this article because it certainly hasn't turned out to be a discussion when your own side drifted so far off the article it wasn't funny just as the other articles did . Everyone who supports Obama will still support Obama and those of you intent on not voting or voting for someone else will still vote as they planned to ,so the only thing this article has accomplished is division and promoting hate and anger .
Marie comes out with the most outragious propaganda calling Obama a crack smoking,adultrous gay and calls it truth ,If that isn't promoting hate I don't know what is .
In my book if you provide the forum for such hatred by posting an article that you know will bring out the worst in some people,your as guilty as the person who purposely posts hate propaganda !
When I was a kid I used to know those kind of kids who hid behind the bully's they incited to cause trouble .We called them cowards and trouble makers ! Not brave enough to admit they started the fight for fear of retaliation .I see that here big time !





Seems the Republican's are smarter than most of you who won't vote or will write in Hillary's name or vote for another candidate that doesn't stand a chance of winning ,,even the Republican's know divided we fall united we win that's why they have held office for so many years .
Fortunately Obama didn't have your votes for the primary and he won anyway and with Republican turn out for the general your stuborn votes or no votes probably won't make much of a difference .I am happy to know that at least some of Hillary's supporters care enough about the country to pick a Democrat who stands the chance of winning and cleaning up Bush's mess.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:27 am
Keep dreaming Marie about that convention !
Dang even after Mary gave you your own links which discounted what you said your still sticking to your propaganda story .I guess you hold to the theory ,,when caught in a lie ,,deny ,deny,deny .A little bad character there if you ask me !

Marjorie ,,so let me get this straight ,,you want a president that shows no confidence in himself ,,is that right ?
Rachel was entirely right .Anyone who take offence to his trip would have been the same people who would have slammed him for not acting Presdential enough if he had not gone on this trip or went on it showing no confidence in himself !Its a no win situation !

Funny you should say Majorie that the Repugs are not slamming Obama when I just got through posting on one of MCains many Obama slamming video's !
As I said previously ,,you see only what you want to see and right now what you want to see is anything that supports your negative views of Obama even if they have been proven to be lies .

BTW for those who said that its only Obama supporters mentioning Hillary in these posts and that its not about Hillary .I have seen quite a few of you talking about Hillary here and its not Obama supporters doing it !Even those who say they will write in their vote Are saying they are supporting Hillary even though she is not in the race!
This is the underlying bitterness behind all these Obama bashing posts,,we aren't stupid, we know where your coming from !

Tell me what did you accomplish by posting this article because it certainly hasn't turned out to be a discussion when your own side drifted so far off the article it wasn't funny just as the other articles did . Everyone who supports Obama will still support Obama and those of you who intend on not voting or voting for someone else, will still vote as they planned to ,so the only thing this article has accomplished is division and promoting hate and anger .
Marie comes out with the most outragious propaganda calling Obama a crack smoking,adultrous gay and calls it truth ,If that isn't promoting hate I don't know what is .
In my book if you provide the forum for such hatred by posting an article that you know will bring out the worst in some people,your as guilty as the person who purposely posts hate propaganda !
When I was a kid I used to know those kind of kids who hid behind the bully's they incited to cause trouble .We called them cowards and trouble makers ! Not brave enough to stand on their own and admit they started the fight for fear of retaliation .I see that here big time !

Seems the Republican's are smarter than most of you who won't vote or will write in Hillary's name or vote for another candidate that doesn't stand a chance of winning ,,even the Republican's know divided we fall united we stand that's why they have held office for so many years .
Fortunately Obama didn't have your votes for the primary and he won anyway and with Republican turn out low for the general election your stubborn votes or no votes probably won't make much of a difference .
I am happy to know that at least some of Hillary's supporters care enough about the country to pick a Democrat who stands the chance of winning and cleaning up Bush's mess.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:28 am
Keep dreaming Marie about that convention !
Dang even after Mary gave you your own links which discounted what you said your still sticking to your propaganda story .I guess you hold to the theory ,,when caught in a lie ,,deny ,deny,deny .A little bad character there if you ask me !

Marjorie ,,so let me get this straight ,,you want a president that shows no confidence in himself ,,is that right ?
Rachel was entirely right .Anyone who take offence to his trip would have been the same people who would have slammed him for not acting Presdential enough if he had not gone on this trip or went on it showing no confidence in himself !Its a no win situation !

Funny you should say Majorie that the Repugs are not slamming Obama when I just got through posting on one of MCains many Obama slamming video's !
As I said previously ,,you see only what you want to see and right now what you want to see is anything that supports your negative views of Obama even if they have been proven to be lies .

BTW for those who said that its only Obama supporters mentioning Hillary in these posts and that its not about Hillary .I have seen quite a few of you talking about Hillary here and its not Obama supporters doing it !Even those who say they will write in their vote Are saying they are supporting Hillary even though she is not in the race!
This is the underlying bitterness behind all these Obama bashing posts,,we aren't stupid, we know where your coming from !

Tell me what did you accomplish by posting this article because it certainly hasn't turned out to be a discussion when your own side drifted so far off the article it wasn't funny just as the other articles did . Everyone who supports Obama will still support Obama and those of you who intend on not voting or voting for someone else, will still vote as they planned to ,so the only thing this article has accomplished is division and promoting hate and anger .
Marie comes out with the most outragious propaganda calling Obama a crack smoking,adultrous gay and calls it truth ,If that isn't promoting hate I don't know what is .
In my book if you provide the forum for such hatred by posting an article that you know will bring out the worst in some people,your as guilty as the person who purposely posts hate propaganda !
When I was a kid I used to know those kind of kids who hid behind the bully's they incited to cause trouble .We called them cowards and trouble makers ! Not brave enough to stand on their own and admit they started the fight for fear of retaliation .I see that here big time !

Seems the Republican's are smarter than most of you who won't vote or will write in Hillary's name or vote for another candidate that doesn't stand a chance of winning ,,even the Republican's know divided we fall united we stand that's why they have held office for so many years .
Fortunately Obama didn't have your votes for the primary and he won anyway and with Republican turn out low for the general election your stubborn votes or no votes probably won't make much of a difference .
I am happy to know that at least some of Hillary's supporters care enough about the country to pick a Democrat who stands the chance of winning and cleaning up Bush's mess.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:41 am
Obama for EMPEROR!!!
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:44 am
Hey ,I never said he didn't cat presidential,I said that he's thinkin' he's the prez already! Why have an election ,when he has already crowned his self? It would save everyone a lot of money and time.AND believe me I WILL vote,and I will vote for HILLARY,because she is the winning nominee I will vote as an independent so that they cannot steal my vote.I will never be a listed Dem again,when your party decides FOR you and takes your votes and gives them to another candidate,that tells me that the democracy is dead and I WILL FIGHT TO GET IT BACK.DON"T tell me how or who to vote for, if I wanted that I'd move to Russia.Doesn't anyone else see how corrupt this is?What is the party thinking?A vote for BO is a vote for McCan't.Here in FL the latest numbers have McCan't leading by7to9%.The independents have deserted BO almost completely.By the time the repugs have waged their smear campaign(remember Kerry & Gore)there will be no chance for him.All they are waiting for is the nomination and then all H*LL will break loose.Just think of the smears against Hillary and then double that for BO,they have so much more on him and believe me there are millions of fence sitters just waiting to see how this all shakes out before commiting to their candidate.VOTE HILLARY AND MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT!
 

Mary Lee (1)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:04 pm
Hillary LOST, despite the fact that republicans came out in droves to vote for her to throw this election! 3 of the 4 republicans I know did this... yes my circle of republican friends is small:-)

"A vote for BO is a vote for McCain"... that does not even make any sense at all. What circle did you go around to come up with that logic?

He acts presidential, so they claim he acts like he has won. He HAS to act presidential. He is a youngish black man, unknown to a lot of people. He HAS to be viewed as presidential to stand any chance of winning.

I am just not seeing any arguments that make any sense at all coming out here against Obama. You can have your opinion and of course you can vote how you want. That is your right, but I really wish that people here stick to facts, not ugly untruths and viciousness.

Hillary is voting Obama. She is showing a graciousness I am not seeing from those here that claim to be her supporters. SHE cares about her country and grieves for the direction the republicans have taken it... just like Obama does, despite what you think.
 

Marie P (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:28 pm
I still go for a change, I still give my vote to Obama. Furthermore, the GOP base is not even warming up to mccain (of course, i could be wrong) and even though it's still early in the game, this just proves to show how we see our candidates to-date. i know i will get burned for this, but i think mccain is a warmonger. i get the impression that he doesn't care to what happens to our troops in the middle east and the other parts of the world. Can’t we just all get along? i think it is time for a purification; i think it is time for a change; i think it is time for obama time. Now that the candidates are set for the US Presidential Election, Barack Obama and John McCain are beginning to set the tone for their campaign in http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=164

 

Marie P (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:31 pm
Here is the video link of the said speech http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=164
 

Marie P (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:33 pm
It seem that my link above is not working. just copy and paste it guys...
http://clashorama.com/index.php?id=164
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 12:39 pm
OH PLEASE! HILLARY has NOT given Mr.Presumer her delegates or her supporters.
Why in the world would Hillary give away the Presidency? She has the backing of more than 23 MILLION voters ,and more joining every day.There are 356 super delegates still undecided and many have moved to her if you have any doubts on the numbers go here to see the light:http://18milstrong.wordpress.com/ http://blog.pumapac.org/ http://www.puma08.com/, http://www.justsaynodeal.com/ http://noquarterusa.net/blog/
Take a good look and enjoy.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:17 pm
Nothing I said in my post was at all inappropriate when answering your previuos posts I gave my oppinion just as you did .So don't threaten me with flagging my posts .I know you hate to hear contradictory oppinions but guess what, I don't agree with you .So what!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:19 pm
Well Bette we do agree 100% on that one !
 

Maria V (60)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:36 pm
Linda, Who is the "bully", "trouble maker" or "coward," McCain or Obama? as I know you were not referring to any one on this thread - as that would be personal, and not sticking to the topic.


IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG AUGUST MONTH! BUT IT SURE IS FEELING MORE AND MORE LIKE A CLINTON NOMINATION - -

"Barack Obama’s lead over John McCain has diminished considerably in three battleground states, according to a poll published Thursday.

The Quinnipiac University polls, conducted from July 23-29, found that Obama’s lead has weakened in Pennsylvania and Ohio, two key swing states in November’s presidential election. The poll also found the two candidates in a virtual tie in Florida.

According to the poll, Obama is ahead of McCain by 7 percentage points, 49 to 42 percent, in Pennsylvania — a drop from that same poll last month, which showed Obama leading McCain by 12 percentage points at 52 to 40 percent.

In Ohio, the Illinois senator had a 6-point lead last month. McCain is now just 2 points behind him. The poll shows Obama with 46 percent, McCain at 44 percent. Both men and women in the Buckeye State are closely split in their support of either candidate.

McCain has also gained ground in Florida. Both candidates are statistically tied; Obama has 46 percent compared with McCain’s 44 percent, but likely independent voters in Florida have shifted toward McCain. Forty-six percent support him compared with 41 percent who prefer Obama. In the same poll taken last month, Obama led among independents, 47 percent to 37 percent.

The Quinnipiac University polls involved telephone interviews with 1,248 likely Florida voters, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points; 1,229 likely Ohio voters, with a 2.8 point margin of sampling error; and 1,317 likely Pennsylvania voters with a 2.7 point margin of sampling error."
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/31/poll-mccain-shrinks-obamas-lead-in-three-battleground-states/
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:39 pm
Oh btw Marjorie I would appreciate it if you stopped sending me personal email threatening to flag me !That would be sensorship !
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:44 pm
So what your saying Marjorie is that Hillary is lieing to the public when she campaigns with Obama and says she supports his nomination and asks her supporters to do the same .
Hummmmmmmm !Very interesting!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:46 pm
Now.....Reading all the bickering. Hmmmmmm.......Haven't I been sweet!!!!

PLANT TREES IN THE GROUND FOR LIFE............
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 1:56 pm
Ohhhh Marjorie...The Presidency has given Hillary away...OBAMA FOR MESSIAH!
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 2:07 pm
Yo Linda,never flagged you,don't have to ,you speak for yourself.I believe this forum is open to all,we don't have to agree.
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 2:09 pm
Thought taht all need to be reminded what a real political attack looks like.The finger taps given to BO are a joke. watch here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8&feature=related
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 2:21 pm
PS. Thanks Maria!
 

Mary Lee (1)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 2:32 pm
There was some sexism against Hillary, just as there was and still is some racial bias and slurs against Obama. Obama was not behind any of those attacks on HIllary and you guys need to quit blaming him for them. It was Hillary that insinuated the Obama might be Muslim. Her attacks were much harder than anything Obama sent out. Blaming Obama for Hillary's loss is just wrong.

Now your claim that there are 356 Super Delegates uncommitted is totally false. There are 103 Super delegates uncommitted. Obama is winning by 333 delegates. There is no path to Hillary getting the election, outside of a REAL scandal, not unsubstantiated lies. I got my figures from Real Clear Politics, not some blog in the tank for Hillary.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 2:51 pm
Yo ! Oh please Marjorie I had to block your email because you sent me a personal email threatening to flag me for what you called a personal attack .Geezzzzzzzz does the lying ever end !At least I wasn't trying to sensor you like you were threatening to do to me.
Should I post the email you sent me to prove it ?

Keep up the good work trying to inform people Mary ! I have my diner to go watch .See Ya !

 

Dorothy Commander (61)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 3:00 pm
I changed my registration from Republican to Democrat this year to vote for him over Hillary. I will vote for him in november.
Is he acting too presidential? Maybe. Is it hurting him? I don't think so...can you name ANYTHING McCain has done this past month??
I've had enough of the Bush/Clinton/Bush debacle. It's time to be proud to be American again, and I think non-muslim, non-racist Obama can do that for us.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 3:03 pm
Sorry my bad Marjorie it was actually an email with your name on it and it was Cate who warned that she would flag any inappropriate posts !
You have my appology !
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 3:59 pm
NYTimes Editorial released this afternoon:

[T]here was something surreal, and offensive, about today"s soundbite from the campaign of Senator J ohn Mc Cain.

The presumptive Republican nominee has embarked on a bare-knuckled barrage of negative advertising aimed at belittling Mr. O bama. The most recent ad compares the presumptive Democratic nominee for president to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton " suggesting to voters that he"s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

The ad gave us an uneasy feeling that the Mc Cain campaign was starting up the same sort of racially tinged attack on Mr. O bama that Republican operatives, some of whom work for Mr. Mc Cain now, ran against Harold Ford, a black candidate for Senate in Tennessee in 2006. That assault, too, began with videos juxtaposing Mr. Ford with young, white women.

Mr. O bama called Mr. Mc Cain on the ploy, saying, quite rightly, that the Republicans are trying to scare voters by pointing out that he "doesn"t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills.""
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 4:10 pm
Maria, are you saying that Cindy McCain was mentally ill? Is that why one of the doctors working for her charity almost lost his license because she blamed the "forgeries" she wrote on the prescription pads she stole on this doctor?
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 4:59 pm
Well, I'm arriving rather late to this one,
Cate, but I've got a few cents to pitch in.
First of all, I didn't know he smoked cigarettes
either. I'm with you, Cate, it just proves he's
human and succeptible to the same addictions as
the rest of us.
As to the hubris:
First, I automatically distrust any man or woman
who WANTS to be President of the United States.
No one seeks the office with purely altruistic motives.
Second, wouldn't hubris have to be a neccesary element
in a person's decision to declare candidacy?
As the late and greatly lamented Mr.Carlin would have
said, it's really all about,
"HEY! DIG ME!!"
noted.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 5:27 pm
Obama does not smoke. He quit last year. This photo has been proven to be a fake. You can see the original that this semi-creative faker flipped and added the cigarette to here:

http://www.news.uiuc.edu/ii/04/0805/obama,barack_w.jpg.png

You can see all the same highlights and shadows present. An artist will also notice the bad job done on this fake.
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 9:10 pm
Linda,I'm done with you!Apology accepted.I will never post that way,I have nothing to say that cannot be said publicly.
 

Jeff D (80)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 9:18 pm
Wow, this post sure gets attention of many Care 2er's, or is it the USA shall be happy to see Barrack Obama for President in November.

He of course would have my vote if I were able. I too ... USED to smoke since 16, gave it up 4 weeks ago & no cheating.

Relevance is ... Cigarettes will become a lost motive for relief.

Obama for President!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 10:24 pm
Jeeeeeez Cate...Cograts, super subject...Even if your hair did go gray during the outpour X...OBAMA RULES!!!
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:13 pm
The delegates needed for Hillary to get the nomination.

Delegate Watch
15
That's the number of Obama's Delegates who have switched to Hillary Clinton in July.
We need 160 more to ensure Hillary Clinton gets the nomination of the Democratic Party at the Denver Convention
 

Marjorie G (29)
Thursday July 31, 2008, 11:20 pm
If you thought you were alone, you're wrong!There must be 50 sites listed in this post and many here for Hillary or against BO,go through them slowly.I'm sure one will interest you.The source for them is here: http://www.justsaynodeal.com/

nowewont.org
comealongway
shutthefreudup.com
seatourdelegates.com
pumapac.org
dncreform.com
democraticwings.com
unheardamericanvoices.com
chicagoagainstobama.com
charlottefrontandcenter.com
writeinpartyusa.org
actblue-pumausa
pocpuma.com
nativeamericansagainstobama.com
18millionvoices.blogspot.com
obamawtf.blogspot.com
rezkowatch.blogspot.com
clintondem.blogspot.com
fair-reflection.blogspot.com
comealongway.blogspot.com
reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com
thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com
mccaindemocrats.blogspot.com
worstlittlecaucusintexas.blogspot.com
caucusconfession.blogspot.com
caucuscheating.blogspot.com
florida-michigan.blogspot.com
floridavoters.blogspot.com
hillbuzz.blogspot.com
hillaryorbust.blogspot.com
politicaldiscontent.blogspot.com
independentsformccain.blogspot.com
americaforhillary.blogspot.com
whatsuddenly.blogspot.com
tominpaine.blogspot.com
heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com
mountainsage.blogspot.com
annienyc.blogspot.com
womenstate.blogspot.com
guerillawomentn.blogspot.com
alwaysforhillary.blogspot.com
panmetron.blogspot.com
typicalpawhitewoman.blogspot.com
politicallizard.blogspot.com
nobamablog.blogspot.com
investigatebarackobama.blogspot.com
its-obvious.blogspot.com
powerofpuma.blogspot.com
noratings.blogspot.com
spiritedpolitics.blogspot.com
senatorobamaisanopportunist.blogspot.com
hyper-educated-uppity-woman
thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com
thedenvergroup.blogspot.com
hillaryheads.blogspot.com
kareniristucker.blogspot.com
hillaryandmccain08.blogspot.com
ohmyvalve.blogspot.com
petuniapolitikposts.blogspot.com
oneangrymoo.blogspot.com
mccain-hillary.blogspot.com
tomlitchford.blogspot.com
still4hillary.blogspot.com
hillaryclintonforpresident.blogspot.com
disprovingobama.blogspot.com
heyjude.blogspot.com
logisticsmonster.wordpress.com
annabellep.wordpress.com
bluelyon.wordpress.com
therealbarackobama.wordpress.com
pumaalliance.wordpress.com
hillarynowformccain.com
hillarygreenmountain.org
hillarygreenmountain.com
iownmyvote.com
realdemocratsusa.org
paresidentsforhillary.com
hillary-clintons-voice.com
walkamileinourshoes.org
misshillaryclinton.com
democrats-against-obama.org
writeinpartyusa.org
knowobama.org
reclusiveleftist.com
givemehill.com
helphillary.org
hillary-wins.com
sugarnspice
bitterpoliticz
insightanalytical
swingcrats.org
perrylogan
paganpower
4hillaryweblog
mudanpoliticalblog
mccainb4obama.com
citizenpressroom
capitalhillforum.com
hillaryisourchoice.com
dontvoteobama.com
no-obama09.com
stop-obama.org
vet4hill
the28.org
f-u-dnc
hcsfjm.com
lobbydelegates.com
obama-wire.com
obamaunveiled.com
dontvoteobama.net
thedailyhill.com
dncboycott.com
democratinexile.com
belltoll.com
slickbarry.com
ladyboomernyc
onevoteonebrick
dems4mccain.org
takedemocratsback.org
changeandexperience.com
dakiniland
elect2009
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randomthoughtsfromreno
hillaryvillagers
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rabblerouserruminations
kirafasrevolt
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lynettelong.com
hillaryforthepeople
myebuzz.com
womenamericans.com
nobamademocrats.com
notfallinginline.org
electionnight08.com
politicalpyro
hillarysupportersformccain.com
itallstartedwithahat
redhotandbluepolitics.com
thelegendaryhillaryclinton.com
oo7angel
hillaryvoters4mccain.com
hellnobama.com
ObamaIslamFile
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 1, 2008, 12:19 am
Marjorie...Don't you think it rather gentlemanly (and possibly slightly foolish) for Obama to offer the back seat of his car to the woman who, by her own malicious attacks on him, wrote herself off in the eyes of many?...After all I seem to remember, somewhere in the past, the insinuation that she would be ready to fill his shoes should he for some reason meet his demise???...Not in the back of my car!!!

"Obama was not behind any of those attacks on HIllary and you guys need to quit blaming him for them. It was Hillary that insinuated the Obama might be Muslim. Her attacks were much harder than anything Obama sent out. Blaming Obama for Hillary's loss is just wrong". (Thank you Mary)...

Your point has been made Marjorie!...Loud and VERY clear...Have a lovely weekend...
 

Marjorie G (29)
Friday August 1, 2008, 12:35 am
David,NEVER once did I ever say that BO was personally the person behind the attacks on Hillary! You and others are so defensive that you read too much into posts.I do believe that the repugs(I've said this before) were the main offenders,but am also sure that BO's machine had their own attacks going.The media driven by the repugs have had a free hand and has been encouraged.That BO is getting some of the flack now is no surprise to me and I expect it to get worse after the convention,when they hope Hillary is not the nominee.BUT I MUST SAY AGAIN I NEVER ACCUSED BO OF THE ATTACKS ON HILLARY!
 

Marjorie G (29)
Friday August 1, 2008, 12:44 am
When I hear the whining about how hard they are being on BO it makes my blood boil! If they even once put out a program of hate against him as the did Hillary the ACLU would be all over them like a fly on you know what.I advise the BO supporters to go to youtube or photobucket and type in Hillarys name and scroll through some of the films and photos and tell me that BO has had anything remotely the same done to him.Try being fair for just a few minutes and I honestly think you will be sickened and outraged too.How we can let anyone segment of our society treat any one class(WOMEN)like this without an outcry is beyond me.If this is how our country thinks of the Women in it we are truly corrupt,for shame!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 1, 2008, 12:59 am
Who is reading between the lines Marjorie?...Read my comment again giving greater attention to the part where at NO time did I accuse you of anything!...Have a lovely weekend and farewell...Beam me up Scotty...
 

Meenakshi Sharma (124)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:13 am
I have so far seen anything in HIM except he is a aliquot speakers and has the charisma to charm...the young!! His views on Palestine/Israel are every indication towards anther holocaust (this time is Palestinians) but the genocide is going on....in the name of Peace Process by US/Israel/Uk...
peace
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:43 am
I am very far from young. So what are his views on Palestine/Israel that you claim will lead to another Holocaust? That is an awful accusation to make and I have seen absolutely nothing to indicate this. But, since you claim to be inside his head to know his views, perhaps everyone else is not privy to your knowledge.
 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:54 am
Obama's votes - -

Time-Served Credit for Sex Predators
In 1999, while in the Illinois State Legislature, Obama was the only vote AGAINST SB 485, a bill that would prohibit certain persons convicted of criminal sexual abuse from receiving credit for time served in the county jail. -SB 485 March 11, 1999

No, On Tougher Penalties for Gang-Bangers
In 2002, Obama voted "NO" on HB 1812, a bill designed to toughen penalties for crimes committed in furtherance of gang activities.-HB 1812 May 12, 2001

Providing Medical Treatment to Children Born Alive After A Failed Abortion
In 2002, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, Obama voted "No" on the Born Alive Infant Protection Package (SB 1661), a bill which would create a cause of action against a physician if a child is born alive after an attempted abortion and the physician, harms, neglects or fails to provide medical care for the Child. -SB 1661: April 4, 2002

Transporting Minors Across State Lines to Obtain Abortions
While serving in the United States Senate, Obama voted against the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403), a bill designed to prevent minors from being taken across state lines without the consent of the parents to have an abortion in circumvention of the laws of 45 states which require parental consent or notification in order for a minor to have an abortion.-Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403); vote number 2006-216 on July 25, 2006
(THIS SHOULD COMFORT MEN WITH UNDERAGE "GIRLFRIENDS")

Firearms Ownership
Barack Obama voted NOT to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records SEARCHES on them. -National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 1:09 pm
Obama's votes - - The Truth!

Time-Served Credit for Sex Predators In 1999, while in the Illinois State Legislature, Obama was the only vote AGAINST SB 485, a bill that would prohibit certain persons convicted of criminal sexual abuse from receiving credit for time served in the county jail. -SB 485 March 11, 1999

The bill was NOT about Sex Predators, it was Sex Offenders sentenced to the county jails. You do realize that real Sexual Predators would not be in county jails! Do you know what a sex offender is in today's world? A drunken man that slaps a girls rear is a sex offender, somebody that sleeps with a willing secretary is a sex offender. A newly turned 18 year old that sleeps with his 15 year old girlfriend is a sex offender! The list goes on and on. You should be ashamed of twisting the real facts!


No, On Tougher Penalties for Gang-Bangers In 2002, Obama voted "NO" on HB 1812, a bill designed to toughen penalties for crimes committed in furtherance of gang activities.-HB 1812 May 12, 2001

Having an allegiance to a gang is not a crime and shouldn’t be used as the ultimate sentence enhancement. Both the U.S. Supreme Court (City of Chicago v. Youkhana 277 Ill.App.3d, 660 N.E. 2d 34 (1995) and the Illinois Supreme Court (People v. Nash, 173 Ill.2d423 (1996) have held that gang allegiance is not a crime. - HB 1812 looks solely at the defendant’s status in making a murder death eligible - not at the heinous nature of the murder or the vulnerability of the victim. Most of the aggravating factors allow for death due to the particularly gruesome nature of the crime, or because the victim is someone eligible for heightened protection, i.e. a fireman, correctional officer, peace officer, disabled person, etc… In this sense the bill is different than most of the existing aggravating factors allowing for death.

Providing Medical Treatment to Children Born Alive After A Failed Abortion In 2002, while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, Obama voted "No" on the Born Alive Infant Protection Package (SB 1661), a bill which would create a cause of action against a physician if a child is born alive after an attempted abortion and the physician, harms, neglects or fails to provide medical care for the Child. -SB 1661: April 4, 2002

He supported a federal version (he wasn't a US Senator then) of the Born Alive Bill but not the state one because the state's wording made it possible to be used to overturn Roe v. Wade and possibly make all abortions illegal. The argument of infanticide is counter-productive to any real discussion about the state Born Alive Infant Protection Act and the federal version (which even NARAL is not opposed to, but they too didn't want the wording in the state version that could be used against Roe v. Wade). So it's not about infanticide, it's about bad legislation.



Transporting Minors Across State Lines to Obtain Abortions While serving in the United States Senate, Obama voted against the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403), a bill designed to prevent minors from being taken across state lines without the consent of the parents to have an abortion in circumvention of the laws of 45 states which require parental consent or notification in order for a minor to have an abortion.-Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403); vote number 2006-216 on July 25, 2006

Obama is Pro Choice. He voted against a law that would have jeopardized young women’s health and safety by making it a federal crime for anyone other than a parent – including a grandparent, adult sibling, or religious counselor – to accompany a young woman across state lines for abortion care if the home state parental‐involvement mandate has not been met.

On a personal note here. At 14 I found myself pregnant. I had no idea there was such a thing as birth control. I knew nothing about what I was doing. This was more than 30 years ago. I had a VERY abusive father who beat me so bad I almost lost my baby, when he found out I was pregnant. There are VERY legitimate reasons that some children are not safe once a parent is notified. Oh and just so you know, I once tried to have him arrested for abuse when I got older and he let me know in no uncertain terms that he would kill my mother. As someone that grew up with the weekly abuse, I knew It was not an empty threat.


Firearms Ownership Barack Obama voted NOT to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records SEARCHES on them. -National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action taken from Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

SB1936 was Gun Safety Legislation. The fact is that there is NOTHING in the bill that states the lie you told above!

Here is the full bill. Read it and judge for yourself how untrue that statement is:

http://12.43.67.2/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920SB1936.html



I have to say that this is all really a bunch of BS. People should really investigate facts before they go cutting and pasting untruths, exaggerations or muddying the water statements.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 1:22 pm
Also to the first vote about Sexual Offenders - Obama made a statement immediately afterward the vote stating that he accidentally pushed the wrong button, that on this issue he did wanted to vote YES. See page 74 of the pdf trascript here:

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans91/ST031199.pdf

 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 1:37 pm
I am very sorry for your abusive childhood, Mary, I really am, my heart goes out to.

The argument on abortion is the definition of "life." If a living breathing baby is not life, than I do not know what is. Personally, as a parent, a human being, I would not walk away from an animal that needs medical help - let alone a baby - a human being.

We can agree, for the most part, the minors of today are more educated about pregnancy, in school and at home, and can take precautions. But you are never safe from rape, and a forced abortion by men abusing minors.

Yes, I agree, people should investigate. But, to say that it is BS because we do not interpret the language as you, or agree on your stance is not necessary. That is why we all can vote, as we can choice for ourselves. Just as you offer your opinion - so can I.

 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 1:52 pm
I hope Obama has learned NOT to push the wrong button, anymore. Obama really is charming! If he is not voting liberally, he votes present when not absent. I could just hug him! But I will not vote for him.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 2:10 pm
My BS statement was about the overall lies in the original post. I agree, that there will be disagreements, but many of those statements were in fact lies or misleading. That is BS!

Present Votes Are an Accepted Legislative Strategy in the Illinois Senate
January 21, 2008
Obama Was Praised for Standing Up on Tough Issues-- Because His Senate Seat Was Not Vulnerable, He Used His Position To Help More Vulnerable Senators Do The Right Thing. Zorn wrote, "Obama, however, was in a safe district and never faced a serious challenge for his legislative seat. He had no need to shy from hard-line stands on gun control and abortion rights. He actually took such stands frequently and is now highly praised by advocates for both causes. [Chicago Tribune, Zorn, 3/9/04]

Anyone Who Thinks A Present Vote Is A "Duck" Doesn't Understand How the Process Works. "There is a presumption, if one is not familiar with the mechanics of the General Assembly, that a present vote is a "duck." Pam Sutherland, the CEO and President of Illinois Planned Parenthood said of [this] Hull argument: "I think it's not well-based…I think it's somebody who doesn't understand how the legislative process works." [Chicago Daily Herald, 3/10/04]

Criticizing Present Votes Indicates "You Don't Have A Great Understanding Of The Process." "'Criticizing Obama on the basis of 'present' votes indicates you don't have a great understanding of the process,' said Thom Mannard, director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence." [Chicago Tribune, Zorn, 3/9/04]

Voting Present in the State Legislature is Used as A Signal to the Other Party, Not As a Way to Duck the Issue. "An aspect of Obama's State Senate voting record that is drawing attention is his "present" votes. A present vote is a third option to an up or down "yes" or "no" that is used with great frequency in the Illinois General Assembly. It has many varied and nuanced meanings that, in the context of the actual bills, border on boring. It's most important use is as a signal – to the other party, to the governor, to the sponsor -- to show a willingness to compromise on the issue if not the exact bill, to show disapproval for one aspect of the bill, to question the constitutionality of the bill, to strengthen the bill. [Chicago Daily Herald, 3/10/04]

Obama Would Vote 'Present' On Unconstitutional Bills, Saying He Tried To Resist Bad Votes That Make Good Politics. The AP reported, "Obama says his 'present' votes often come on bills that he believes are unconstitutional. 'I have tried to not succumb to the temptation of voting on bad laws just because it makes for good politics,' Obama said." [AP, 9/9/04]

Senators Would Vote Present If They Had 'Unresolved Worries.' The State Journal-Register reported, "Sen. George Shadid, the Edwards Democrat who is pushing the legislation, promised Senate Education Committee members that he wouldn't move ahead with Senate Bill 368 'unless I can get a good consensus.'…Four committee members cited unresolved worries when they voted 'present' on the measure, which passed 7-0." [State Journal-Register, 2/27/03]
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 2:16 pm
If a young pregnant person felt safe in their home, they would have no reason not to tell their parents. Those that don't want to tell their parents are usually those that have something to fear from sharing that information. That is why I have always been against required parent notification of pregnancy or abortion.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 2:20 pm
My point is that I am not talking about abortion and peoples views on this are varied and usually promote great arguments, so I refuse to go there. The point of that bill was parent notification.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 2:34 pm
It is obvious that you are not going to vote for Obama and that is just fine, as I have said before here. I respect every persons right to vote and even encourage those who would vote differently from me. I think voting your conscience is part of what makes this country so great and my opinion is, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain about the way our country is being led.

My replies here have been to correct the misinformation, slurs and lies that are being spread by people who just copy and paste without investigating to insure the things they are posting are correct and not misleading. This is exactly why we are in the mess we are now. It is why we are in a war we should never have entered. Misinformation campaigns are a huge threats to real democracy. How can you make an informed decision, when your information is wrong?
 

Erik K (33)
Friday August 1, 2008, 2:40 pm
Typical McCain supporter making up their attacks since they have no tangible arguments.

But no one seemed to think McCain was overstepping his boundary as candidate when he was meeting with foreign leaders in Colombia and Europe to discuss future deals?

This article basically attacks Obama for being confident. Well, isn't that a quality you would like to have in your Commander in Chief?!? I think the real issue being avoided is questioning whether the candidates have the mental and psychological capability for leading a nation!

By the way, McCain refuses to release his psychological records, graduated 894 out of 899 in college, doesn't know how to send an email and finds it impossible to learn from his mistakes. ie...Iran and Al Qaeda, Sunnis and Shiites, Putin and Germany, Czechoslovakia still being a country, Iraq and Pakistan border)
 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 2:47 pm
Mary, Well said, I could not agree with you more. Vote or do not complain, verify your information.

Look at the man or woman's record of accomplishments. At that circle of associates and how they define and influence them politically. Voting record and accomplishments in their political career. Go beyond the hype, slogan and movement. You are hiring a leader, not voting for the best campaign.
 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 3:03 pm
Erick, I am voting for Clinton. IF Obama is nominated in Denver, which is looking less likely by the day... Dr. Corsi, one of Kerry's swifter boaters has a book out "Obama Nation." The polls are a tie - Friday, August 01, 2008 The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows Barack Obama attracting 45% of the vote while John McCain earns 43%. I am sure this, and everything else, is robbing the super delegates of sleep.

But, if Obama is nominated I will vote for McCain who has a life time of political and foreign experience. McCain, who Kerry wanted as his Vice President and Secretary of Defense.

Obama, has been turned down by Governor Rendell (PA), former Governor of Virginia, Mark Warner, Senator Jim Webb (D-VA), Governor Strickland of Ohio says “if elected, I will not serve,” Senator Jack Reed (D-RI), and Former Senator Bill Bradley. You have to ask yourself, what do these politicians know about Obama that they do not want to be his VICE PRESIDENT - - THE SECOND MOST POWERFUL POST IN THE WORLD.

On the right side, when potential VPs are asked if they will accept to be McCain's VP they blush like a school girlS, and get giddy at the thought of being McCain's VP. But no one has said NO.

 

Dorothy Commander (61)
Friday August 1, 2008, 5:10 pm
Wow~ this thread has inspired many to write novellas.
I agree with David, beam me up!!
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 9:16 pm
Well Maria, you might as well go down and register Republican because Hillary Clinton has decided against being nominated for President at the Democrats Denver convention.

A source close to the New York senator confirmed she won't file a formal request to the convention asking to be nominated along with Barack Obama, who eked out the victory in their fierce primary slugfest.

"She is not going to submit the signed request," the insider told the Daily News. "People are still circulating petitions on her behalf, but this is a done deal."

Party rules stipulate that Clinton must ask in writing to be nominated herself and also submit a petition signed by 300 to 600 delegates. Without her signed request, petitions of support are meaningless.

I can't say anything nice about your decision to vote for MccCain, so I just won't say anything. If you think McCain is a better choice then Obama, then you should be a republican.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 9:54 pm
The bit about no one wanting to be VP makes me wonder if this is your first election? This is par for the course in every election. Saying "no" now protects anyone from being rejected later since they've already said "no," even though they might really mean "call me."

The No. 2 spot on a presidential ticket has been known to be a quickly-acquired interest once the No. 1 on the ticket pops the question.

That does not mean that some do not mean it. If they are shoe in's in their upcoming elections, Senators tend to want to stay in their office. As shoe in senators, they can have lifelong careers. The VP slot does not offer long term job security.
 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:06 pm
Mary,

Who is the "insider?" I no longer put stock in the MSM,at least not while Obama is still running for President. I will only consider some thing as factual if I hear it on Fox News or from foreign press. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I would depend on foreign press to see what is happening at home politically. That is how much MSNBC, CNN and ABC are in the tank for Obama, it so slanted it reminds me of State TV.

Hear what Hillary Clinton has to say about the convention and the ballot with her own voice. - - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVK3uHqtVT8

Please also note, that a Clinton delegate, present there, states that some Obama delegates have signed the petition to get her on the ballot.

Interesting you mention registering Republican... I registered as a Democrat at the steps of the assembly hall where I took my oath as an American Citizen. Silly me, I remember thinking "how thoughtful and convienent process." More like drive by enrollment to increase their party members. And for what? My vote did not count. I was pretty naive about the political parties. Presently, I was planning to register as a Independent. But I am so angry at the DNC that I'm really considering registering as a Republican to send them a message.

 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:08 pm
You should also visit the poll sites. usaelectionpolls.com states that Obama Has Largest Electoral College Lead Ever: 352 to 186. In the latest polls Obama is UP, not down. He is up in FL, MI and OH. Up 9 in PA. He is leading in states a democrat hasn't won in many, many years, if ever. CO, NM, VA, NV, IN, IA. I don't think Obama or the Democrats are losing any sleep at all! It is the McCain camp panicking and putting out a barrage of dishonest ads. Real integrity there.
 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:24 pm
No, I voted in two presidential elections. The buzz and energy over Obama's shortening list of VPs was not in the last two elections.

Actually, McCain's camp, RNC and the swift boaters have been very quite. The RNC wants Obama elected in Denver. They do not want to run against Clinton. RNC, McCain camp and swifter boats are holding their fire until after the convention. With the exception of one of Kerry's swift boaters - Dr. Corsi, he has a book out now "Obama Nation" very damanging. I thought the time of the "Obama Nation" release was interesting... but I guess it is a taste of what is to come. Have you wonder where is the Karl Rove energy? Wait until after the convention. As quite as they have been, yet the polls are tied.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:35 pm
If you think that FOX is the only factual news, you are a republican. As far as I know, they are the only news agency to have reported numerous lies and they get away with it by stating that they are not journalists, they are commentators! Rupert Murdoch owns FOX news and he has used the U.S. government's increasingly lax media regulations to consolidate his hold over the media and wider political debate in America. A close look at the record shows Murdoch has imparted his far-right agenda throughout his media empire.

That explains your untruthful attacks on Obama. You are also sticking to the disproven notion that the media is biased for Obama. That was proven to be VERY false, but I doubt FOX let that nugget get through in their reporting and would explain why you don't believe it. I provided facts and links, but I think you just ignore any links I post, while I look at EVERYTHING you post. How can you argue facts without looking at them?

In fact, the link you posted above is not about HIllary. It is about Congress and gas.

I don't think you registering as a republican is going to be noticed by anyone, much less send a message to the DNC.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:44 pm
Obama Nation came out a long time ago. It is nothing but complete trash and lies. The ONLY people that will read it are republicans and those like me that want to know what lies the machine is spreading. It was created to fire up the base, which has been pretty non-supportive of McCain. There are also many that think it was released to try to get HIllary elected as the nominee, since they have planned for years to run against her. They have tons of dirt on her and Obama winning has really upset their plans.

The fact that Hillary is not filing to be nominated is all over the news cycle. Just released today. I am sure FOX will get to it in the next few days, when they can figure out how to bash Obama with the news.

No election in prior history has had the buzz or interest that this one does. BUT, every election I have watched over the last 30 years has had lots of VP considerations saying "no", when they really meant please pick me!
 

Maria V (60)
Friday August 1, 2008, 10:52 pm
Sorry Mary!

I did post the wrong link! copied the wrong one, sorry

here is the correct link...it is Hillary talking about the convention and the ballot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8gdU_1MM44

Really? Only those that watch Fox News are Republicans. Okay, well then it will not be a difficult transition from Democrat to Republican. I will need to let all my fellow registered Democrats family and friends that watch Fox News to get with the program too and register Republican. It will be news to them, and some them are natural born citizens. Actually, to be honest, 10% of us switched to Fox News as we could not stomach the way the other cable news channels was covering and not covering, for the matter, Hillary Clinton.

Yes, they will notice. You hear it all the time. They talk about their enrollment numbers all the time. After the elections, they discuss how many voters crossed the party line. Demographics, demographics and demographics...it is only wise, to keep tabs on your base and who is your base.
 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 11:28 pm
I am sorry, but I don't know of one real democrat that could watch FOX for long without getting disgusted by the lies they spew.


 

Mary Lee (1)
Friday August 1, 2008, 11:32 pm
I think it is time for me to quit posting here. My head hurts from hitting my head against a brick wall! Some people just won't see the facts in front of them. That is fine, but I am tired of trying to have a discussion with that kind of person.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 7:10 am
I think Obama supporters should stop wasting there time here ! This article was meant to be bait for Obama supporters so they could have fun with all these lies they are spreading .
If truth mattered they would have stopped posting BS.
See ya! I have no intention of ever posting on any of these articles by this person .I know it is meant to be entertainment at Obama supporters expense .
So have fun entertaining yourselves ,,this Obama supporter is gone.

One last thing for the Hillary supporter who are having fun here to think about .
How many Obama supporters that you have insulted with these remarks and articles do you think will vote for Hillary in 2012 or 2016 ? Hillary and her supporters have ruined any chance of her ever being President and you can thank yourselves for that .
 

Nevaeh M (75)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:08 am
Thank you Linda R. i feel the same way I'll never post again! one thing i will say is this has truly showed the hearts of many care 2 members. maybe this poem will open eyes & show what kind of heart you have & do you have your house in order!! Emotion and belief
demolish and build.

Anger and hate unlock
a Dungeon of Sorrow.

Unconditional love creates
a Mansion of Happiness.

Sloth and gluttony doss
in the Brothel of Desire.

The goal of perfection
lives in the Palace of Wisdom.

Indulgence and addiction
lie in the Tomb of Willpower.

Smiles and laughter
inhabit the Temple of Joy.

Deeds not words fortify
the Castle of Conviction.

Make your home
where you will!


Its not what you say ! its how you say it! go back if you Dare & read how you respond to Obama supporters SHAME! SHAME !

 

Eternal Optimist (115)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 6:00 pm
Whew, Noted thanks Cate.
Isn't this the way Bu$h got into power? When the opposition has two candidates opposing each other for the votes, self defeating? Just a thought.
 

Denice G (45)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 7:17 pm
Wow, Eternal Optimist about said it all. Thanks Cate.
 

Marjorie G (29)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 8:57 pm
Interesting reading,lots of good info here.
August 1, 2008
Hey, Barack, Hillary Only Suspended Her Campaign

Frank Salvato, http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.772/pub_detail.asp



In the turbulent wake left by Barack Obama’s world tour - his campaign to be loved by all, less a significant percentage of the American people - it seems something has slipped the minds of David Axelrod and David Plouffe; Hillary Clinton didn’t quit her campaign, she suspended it. This becomes increasingly significant as more Americans - more Democrats, Progressive-Leftists and especially Democrat superdelegates - realize that Barack Obama is less about substance and more about marketing; more about “flash.”

In light of the shameful snubbing Barack Obama inflicted upon the wounded US military personnel at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, it is painfully clear that he is not the candidate of “change.” If anything he is this election cycle’s version of the status quo; a hybrid of inflated rhetoric and Madison Avenue glitz. He offers hollow bumper-sticker catchphrase solutions (”yes we can,” “hope,” and “change”) to political, social and ideological problems he is ill equipped to address professionally. This is the typical tradecraft of a political operative possessing an extremely limited political resume.

Those not blinded by the “bright, shiny thing” - the distractions of the hollow rhetoric and media marketing - understand that Obama is a political creation of the Chicago Democrat Machine; the Chicago Daley Machine. He is a slickly choreographed media tool meant to reinvent the image of the Democrat Party for the 21st Century. The first clue to this reality is the fact that his main campaign handler (some would say “puppet master”) is David Axelrod, a longtime strategist for Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley, who fancies himself a “strategist in urban politics.” More recently, proof of the Chicago connection can be seen in the fact that the DNC moved a major portion of its operations to Chicago.

Truth be told, an investigative reporter for a junior high school newspaper could divine the fact that while Obama’s marketing team has successfully packaged the candidacy of Barack Obama as the “secular second-coming,” he is, truthfully, just another product - another political operative - of the Chicago political machine. Even for the dead who routinely vote in Chicago this comes as no surprise. But there is something taking everyone by surprise - even the dead in Chicago: Barack Obama is starting to buy into the facade created by his marketing gurus.

Former Bush political genius, Karl Rove, was perhaps the first strategist to recognize Obama’s Achilles heal: vanity. Obama’s arrogance grew as he rose through the primary field to square off against Hillary Clinton - and then as he assumed (the operative word for this article) the mantle of Democrat nominee for president. At first his arrogance came off as confidence, as good self-esteem, a quality that attracted the Liberal electorate. But as his arrogance grew, as his adoring masses nurtured his politically naïve belief that one politician, one elected official, can singularly change the everyday working of inside-the-beltway politics, that arrogance and misplaced confidence started to feed the beast of ego.

Obama’s ego exploded onto the world, witness his recent closed-door meeting with Congressional Democrats:

“…this is the moment, as Nancy [Pelosi] noted, that the world is waiting for… I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions… It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign — that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It’s about America. I have just become a symbol…”

As Obama’s ego grows, so does the budding discontent within his base and his political party. The anti-war Left is critical of his flip-flopping on funding the war effort, his waffling on the immediate removal of troops from the Iraqi battle theater and his sudden dedication to committing troops to multiple battle theaters in the war against radical Islamists globally. The pro-Islamist/anti-national security/anti-capitalist Left is outraged by his vote on the retooled FISA law. The feminist Left is bitter - and rightly so - over his playing the race-card in his perceived defeat of Hillary Clinton, so much so that close to half of all female Hillary Clinton supporters are refusing to vote for him, opting instead to vote for the Center-Right John McCain. And as Obama’s ego grows, as his arrogance wafts increasingly from radios and televisions across the country…excuse me, around the world, more factions jump off the “Soul Train.”

Meanwhile, Barack Obama has pledged to help Hillary Clinton retire her campaign debt. He has enlisted her help in reaching out, not only to those Liberals and Progressive-Leftists disenfranchised by his “assumed” nomination, but to all Democrats. In doing so Obama has been singing Clinton’s praises, handing her compliments and touting her achievements. Obama has embraced Hillary Clinton as the quintessential candidate would he not be the “symbol” he has become and he has done so before locking up the Democrat nomination; before the convention; before it is all “official”; before the superdelegates have committed their votes.

We’ve all heard the old adage that one should go to the funerals of their foes, if only to make sure the body is in the coffin as it is being lowered into the ground.

Should Barack Obama continue his slide into ego’s abyss, his campaign of arrogance, naively buying his own marketing scheme, should he continue to alienate the loose association of factions that make up the total of his base, he risks fiddling as his Rome burns; he risks facilitating the migration of superdelegates from his candidacy to Hillary Clinton’s. Remember, she suspended her campaign, she didn’t end it.

Should this scenario occur it would not only usurp “Dewey Defeats Truman” as the biggest media failure in American history, it would create a solid field of Leftist support for Hillary Clinton. Liberal and Progressive-Left feminists will be drunk with determination. Those who defected from her camp originally will work twice as hard to make amends and prove their loyalty (come on, who is stupid enough to cross a Clinton in power?). Those who backed Obama will work twice as hard for Hillary to cleanse themselves of their political naivety. And Democrats in general will still have their “history making” event in the nomination of the first female nominee to head a national party ticket.

To put it succinctly, if Obama folds because of his arrogance, because of his ego, it will be twice as hard to stop Hillary Clinton from attaining the White House.

FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Frank Salvato is the managing editor of the New Media Journal, the Executive Director of the Basic Project, and a writer whose work is regularly featured in more than 100 national and international publications Feedback: editorialdirector@familysecuritymatters.org.
 

Gerard Andree (3)
Saturday August 30, 2008, 11:24 pm
So what? Maybe he'd rather smoke here than smoke in hell !..... Anyway it's quite obvious that it's a doctored photo that's causing all of this furore, and the photoshop practitioner is a 'ham'. Anyway dear Cate why do they BARRACK Obama so? .......Why not give the man a chance seeing that there doesn't seem to be anyone better who has come forward for the 'race'. (Oops, no pun intended). :-) He does seem a nice guy and probably the best available at this point of time for the U.S. Don't know much about trigonometry, algebra or John McCain either!
 
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