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The Second American Revolution


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Edward
- 3742 days ago - youtube.com
E pluribus unum, Latin for "Out of Many, One," is a motto requested by Pierre Eugene du Simitiere (originally Pierre-Eugène Ducimetière) and found in 1776 on the Seal of the United States.



   

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Edward H (45)
Wednesday March 25, 2009, 3:23 pm
It says it all...
 

Kit B (276)
Wednesday March 25, 2009, 4:34 pm
I would agree, many changes are needed. But I don't agree that only one way is ever THE way. For too long now political parties fight among themselves and to win favor, not with the people they represent, but with the lobbies and mega-corporations that pay the way. Basic constitutional freedoms have been taken away and it seems doubtful that without a fight, they will be returned. People from other cultures are not encouraged to become a part of the "melting pot" but that is not a party issue it's a national issue. While people fight among themselves about things that should be directed at Washington DC, the gulf of culture becomes even wider. People and countries can not go backwards to what once was, we have no choice but to move forward, the trick is to form alliances of mutual understanding, based not what we disagree with but on issues we can agree with.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 25, 2009, 6:54 pm
"An alliance of mutual understanding"? Might work in a perfect society but no society is perfect. We would still be trying to form the alliance when the cows come home. No, let's get back to the foundation upon which this country was built. "Endowed by their creator.". Why have we removed God from public life? "One country, one culture, one language". WHERE DO I SIGN UP!!
 

Kit B (276)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 8:48 am
Seems an odd stance for someone that has declared himself to be an agnostic. A deeper understanding of the use of language in the 18th century and general attitude differences between then and now might help you to grasp what the words "endowed by their creator" actually meant. All citizens in this country are able to pray to god/gods of their choice, none to be chosen as THE god of the country. Perhaps you did not see the inauguration? How many public prayers are needed to satisfy this need to make this country a theocracy? Which denomination of Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist etc shall it be? We are first and foremost a country of mutual respect, and one of freedom. Why the obsessive need to make everyone believe the exact same things to make one religion or set of beliefs the only RIGHT way to think? I stand firmly with the ideals and goals of our founding fathers...Separation of Church and State.

However if a public god is what you need - try one of the many countries that are a theocracy, just don't try to be an individual there.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 9:25 am
Didn't know that Thomas Payne was an agnostic. For me, I believe in God. With all respects, I think that Kit B. might be missing the point. I don't think that The Second American Revolution is proposing to make everyone believe in the same religion. I'm hearing the cry for tolerance. "Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society" Aristotle.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 9:34 am
I agree with much of what is in this movie. Especially the language. We SHOULD have English as our official language but we don't have an official language. We should do it now before it is too late.

We also should focus on what unites us. I don't think that religion is one of those things. People came here to escape religious persecution. Having a state religion is NOT a good idea.

We talk about the letting pot but I think of the US as more of a stew. We still have bits of carrots, potatoes, and peas. And even- (dare I say it)- beef! Yet it is all still a delicious stew that is a unique food item on its own. I don't have a problem with the idea of African-American, Italian-American, Asian-American, etc. as long as the stress is on American.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 9:56 am
Thomas Paine was not an agnostic... he was a Deist!

In fact he wrote "Age of Reason" a book that so outraged his contemporaries that he died rejected and despised by the nation that had once revered him as "the father of the American Revolution." This book so outraged the English that they prosecuted printers and booksellers who tried to publish and distribute it.

To this day, many mistakenly consider him an atheist, even though he was an out spoken defender of the Deistic view of God. Other important founding fathers who espoused Deism were George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan Allen, James Madison, and James Monroe.

Many Christians falsely use our Founding Founders as proof of their beliefs and arguments for a christian society... the facts, history and the records show otherwise!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 10:21 am
Kit,

Again I enjoy reading your posts and agree with what you are saying:

"We are first and foremost a country of mutual respect, and one of freedom. Why the obsessive need to make everyone believe the exact same things to make one religion or set of beliefs the only RIGHT way to think? I stand firmly with the ideals and goals of our founding fathers...Separation of Church and State."

You are correctly pointing out some of the views and beliefs of our founding fathers!

 

Lyta V (36)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 10:33 am
Thomas Paine was famously agnostic. The preponderance of our founding fathers worked diligently to keep religion out of government. I will work just as diligently to continue their work. We have no need of racist white only english only bigots to lead our country.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 11:01 am
Christy- what would you suggest as a unifying theme, then. Please keep in mind that I agree with you except for English as the official language. Or perhaps you feel there is no need for a unifying theme.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 2:23 pm
Separation of Church and State is a definite MUST. I also agree there should be English only spoken so we won't end up like the Tower of Babel, we should be able to understand each other, and this has always been an English speaking nation; and that does not make me a bigot. There is no sense in schools having to teach kids using numerous languages, As for a second Revolution, I hope not, there has been enough bloodshed already.
 

Lyta V (36)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 2:50 pm
I believe English is already becoming the language of business and more and more diplomacy so on it's own it will prevail. I am less worried about that than removing freedoms we now enjoy and reinstating those taken by the last administration.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 3:54 pm
Christy, you may be right about English in business. But all to often when I lived in New England, I run into the spanish speaking community. Without the ability to communicate in English, they were at something of a disadvantage in jobs. They were not heading into the global business community. If they learned better english, they were do better on the job market. This is not to say that they should never speak spanish either. A passage for immigrants that have historically come to the US is to go to school and learn english. And once they learn english, they can go anywhere and do anything. If they don't, they stay in their own little neighborhood for the rest of their lives. They will never be in a position to use the language of business or diplomacy. Just m y$0.02.
 

Lyta V (36)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 4:30 pm
Or like those previously immigrating their children become the generation that learns english and on they go. The only time we should go to extraordinary lengths is in the legal area. We do have to make sure anyone charged with a crime has access to their language if it is truly their only language. I don't know what a truly unifying theme is in this country other than the freedoms we have by constitutional law, I suppose assuring we keep them might be a unifying theme.
 

Edward H (45)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 4:42 pm
It is ridiculous to have to press "1" for English in the US. It is ridiculous that everything has to be in English and Spanish in the US. It is ridiculous that directions to assemble things comes with between 4 and 17, yes 17 different languages, that I have personally seen. I don't have a problem that the world is a global community, but I have a problem with the global community dictating what we in the US do. I have a problem with the US being a global community instead of one nation made up of a global community of members. The politicians seek, not the vote, but the Spanish vote, the Mexican vote, the Chinese vote, the Muslim vote, the women's vote the men's vote, the homosexual's vote, the heterosexual's vote, the Islamic vote, the Christian vote, the Jewish vote, the atheist's vote, etc.. They are pandering to individuals who want to be identified for who they are as individuals instead of who we are as a nation. It's not just about a language either; it's language, lifestyle, religious beliefs, etc.. We are becoming more divided, which is one of the main reasons, if not THE main reason, this [once] great nation, yes, with all it's flaws, but still a great nation, is collapsing, as a nation, as well as losing it's position [as the leader] in the global community.
 

Darlene K (356)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 9:33 pm
In my humble opinion, the point of the video was, "UNITE no matter what culture, to demand true change." Depend on no leader to bring true change. It said something I feel vibrating through me very strongly, "unite" for a revolution of positive force, and not with weapons. Now, I don't embrace nationalism as much as the guy in the video, but the United States is losing on all fronts, at this point. Men, women, children, and wildlife or animals are still suffering and dying. War is still continuing with no signs of decreasing. The economy is being floated by total manipulation of the markets. Unemployment is getting worse, not better as outsourcing is still continuing. Drug-trafficking, illegal immigrants, human-trafficking, arms-trade, and more thrive in America.

In my opinion, Church and State is and should remain separated, but not God/dess or whatever one sees the Divine Source to be, and "the public" society. To me, it is all about the balance, with Common Sense.

Very noted, thank you Edward.
 

Gillian M (218)
Saturday March 28, 2009, 1:05 pm
Churchill was the greatest leader in the Western world (sorry America) and he was concerned about the rate of immigration in the UK. He foresaw the disintigratrion of society by pandering to everyone. It is not racist to be concerned that we no longer have Christmas but Winter Festival and that part of hostory isn't taught in case we upset someone. If you move to the UK or the US then you become British or American and need to learn the language, customs and laws. They must accept the countrys' laws and customs first and then learn what makes them special eg Catholic, Jew, Chinese or Phillipino et al! I don't want to hear that someone has asked for Sharia Law! Sorry, I blieve in true equality but under the banner of the country, not the religion or other person's country. This will help meld the people together to make them British or American or whatever, not whatever first and then British/American. There has been a comment floating round the internet - press 1 for English 2 to disconnect. My family were immigrants and they had to learn the language, find their own homes and get a job to feed themselves. They were given support from the community that already lived here until they got on their feet and then it was up to them to help the next family. No welfare and you had to speak English.
 

Edward H (45)
Saturday March 28, 2009, 5:11 pm
Press 1 for English
Press 2 to be exported until you are willing to learn the language of the country you chose to live in.

America does not need to change for immigrants, immigrants need to change.

My family were immigrants. When they came to Ellis Island a mistake was made on their name. They were told accept it or go back. Our name changed. While that was harsh, it makes the point. LEGAL immigrants come here and are welcome with open arms...they are not welcome to change this country. You want it your way, go back "home" and change your country. Not ours.

If only our elected officials would stop pandering for the vote and stand up for America...the cowards...
 
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