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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: imperialism, warmongering, empire, government, hypocrisy, propaganda )

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Lunacy is ruling the world. Eternal wars, environmental damage, neglect of the common people, are all proof of the total lack of common sense. The ever-increasing movement towards inequality and the gradual strangling of democracy are signs . . .


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Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 5:34 am

There is very little more I can add to this very well-written article describing this country's historical imperialism and lack of respect for human rights.

Ben O (128)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 6:08 am
Thanks, Carole.
I just found this (from 2008)
"Noam Chomsky Lectures on Modern-Day American Imperialism":

Gorilly Girl (339)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 6:22 am
I have to agree Just...OMG another Gorilly...Those are RARE around here...LOL

Big Gorilly Hugs

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 6:30 am

hehehehe, Gorilly Girl!

Thanks for the Noam Chomsky link, Bengt. I'm listening to it in the background, and so far, it parallels the points made in this article.

For those who seek truth and enlightenment, it's saddening (and somewhat embarrassing) to realize the amount of lies and propaganda we have been fed, and once believed, giving us such a totally false impression of the goals of this country's leaders.

Ben O (128)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:15 am
"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions
of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day"
(Thomas Jefferson )


Ben O (128)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:17 am
"Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace."
(Dalai Lama )

Ben O (128)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:21 am
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than
sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
(Martin Luther King, Jr)

Wich reminds me of George W Bush...

Ben O (128)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:44 am
Just one more quote that may be relevant...?
"Capitalism has destroyed our belief in any effective power
but that of self interest backed by force"
(George Bernard Shaw)

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 8:04 am
Carol, thank you for the article. You and I share the horror of imperialism. Ben. what can I do -- your quotes, each and every one of them deserves a green star. I think I will choose the one from Thomas Jefferson. Thank for all the comments that proceeded mine. I love to be a member of Care 2 because of you Carol, Gorilly Girl, and Ben.

Ben O (128)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 8:28 am
I can't stop myself from adding this one:
"Keep on rockin' in the free world..."

Cher C (1424)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 9:54 am

Thnx hun!!!


Pat B (356)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 10:18 am
And...(sounding like an old record), " I second that emotion" (SMOKEY ROBINSON AND THE MIRACLES). Good article, C, and TY, Ben for your wonderful quotes.

Faith M (161)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 10:39 am
Purported reasons for wars vary all the time, but the true reason is always greed. Selling the wars is made possible by creating mass hysteria and the firmly rooted and constantly repeated theory that the U.S. is threatened by inferior people only worthy of being obliterated. Millions and millions of Americans lap up the propaganda: white skin good, dark skin bad.

The outcome of all this century-long propaganda is that the average U.S. citizen actually believes that they are in fact superior to all other nations. God made them unique. ĎCommiesí kept making excellent targets even as late as Ronald Reaganís criminal interventions in Central America, the covert war on the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, the support of the death squads in El Salvador and Honduras and even the invasion of little Grenada under the phoniest of pretexts. A war was needed to make Reaganís sinking ratings go up, so a war was staged. And it worked. Again and again and again it works and the people never get wise. It was their right and duty to defend their country from ĎCommiesí who were out to conquer the world and destroy the superior values of the free American people.

When other made-up reasons for invading Iraq were finally shown up to be all lies invented by the crooked administration, people were made to believe, once again, that the U.S. needed to save the world from infidels and uncivilized creatures who didnít share our Western values and culture.

To me the above excerpt from the article was the most important and most telling. To me it says it all.Thanx C for a wonderful truthful read.

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 11:24 am
Time to look forward. Change just one letter and you have the next war.

Iran is being set up

The same no/faked evidence.

Listen to Mike Rivero of, discuss the manipulation going on and the financial reasons why.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 11:27 am

Yes, that's true, Judy.

However, what would you propose we do? (Maybe send a petition to the same people who keep ignoring us?)

Gorilly Girl (339)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 11:38 am
Oh lord.....


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 11:38 am

Don't make me laugh, Steph . . . I'm bein' serious now!

Gorilly Girl (339)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 11:40 am
LOL....I just luv you to peices Just...YOU are the shit...


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 11:41 am

Well, I can't say that's the first time I've been called that . . . ROFLMFAO

Rhonda Maness (580)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 6:05 pm
Thanks Carole

Paul Puckett (46)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 9:00 pm
Fascinating website, glad you posted it. In the interest of education, I would encourage interested readers to look over the entire website, particularly the articles on Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Achmadinejad of Iran. I also found the Mission Statement interesting.

The title of this article uses the word, "we", which I took to refer to both the writer and the reader. Siv O'Neill's biography is below, seems like a nice person even though there was almost nothing in the article that I agreed with.

Siv O'Neall was born and raised in Sweden where she graduated from Lund University. She has lived in Paris, France and New Rochelle, N.Y. and traveled extensively throughout the U.S, Europe, and other continents, including several trips to India. Siv retired after many years of teaching French in Westchester, N.Y. and English in the Grandes Ecoles (Institutes of Technology) in France. In addition to her own writing, Siv has also provided Axis of Logic with translation services. She has been living in France for 30 years, first in Paris and now Lyon. In addition to her political activism and writing, her life is filled with family, music, animals, reading, traveling and she also feels that 'A thing of beauty is a joy for ever'.

Karin S (42)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 2:23 am
The taking over of all natural resources (primary resources and nonrenewable sources of energy). The latter constitute the cornerstone of US power through the activities of its multinational corporations.

And Hillary's trip to Africa was to "support women's rights"????? Funny that she visited ALL the countries with oil! We, in Africa, fully expect US troops to be "begged" to come to our aid to defend our oil fields - because her visit was NOT successful! Angola is seriously considering giving S Africa the rights to exploit this newly discovered resource. It only makes sense to keep Africa's resources at home!

And it is American multinationals like Levis, The Gap and Shell that are dumping toxic waste and oil into our precious water supplies - and Africa is already suffering from climate change although we only contribute 4% to global warming. This continent is dry to begin with, now we have severe pollution in the mountain kingdom of Lesotho - one of the very few areas where snowfall deliver water to the surrounding countries. Hundreds of thousands on this continent are already starving due to drought - so do we need the US and big business to damage us any further?

Paul Puckett (46)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 2:36 am
Karin S.,

I couldn't agree more with your post. How US companies behave, overseas, is often not good. When other countries dislike the US, as an American, Ive often wondered which causes more dislike, McDonald's or our military. Maybe US Law should hold US companies overseas activities to the same laws that they are subject to in the US, but I bet the lawyers have a way around that...

Simon W (207)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 9:08 am
The people of Latin America are moving their continent away from the extremes of capitalist globalisation (privatisation, extreme concentration of wealth and power into the hands of a minority, etc.), towards socialism (people's democratic management of their economy). We can learn from them.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 9:15 am

Thanks for your input, Simon.

The more greed, selfishness, lack of caring, imperialism I see -- as a direct result of capitalism (elitism) "gone wrong" -- the more I am convinced that it will result in the complete destruction of this environment, and its people.

I think you saw this way before I, and many others, did.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 9:46 am

I am humbled by my own ignorance; but the more I learn of the truth behind the choices made by "governments" -- rationalized (purposely) with soothing words, meant to draw support from the general populace, who will, in fact, be the ones shackled with the price of their/their families' lives to carry out "their" less- than-honorable goals, and further, paid for through the taxes levied upon these same sacrificers, to pay for "their" acquired wealth, which, in the end, only supports "their own," the more I am impelled to speak truth.

The reality is that the majority of us, on purpose, were never meant benefit from those losses. And that is hard to accept -- but, in order to change, must be realized.

Until I see the same risks (other than gambling money) offered by those who are in a position to compel their country's citizens to risk their lives, I will NOT condone the taking of, nor giving of, any more lives.

Simon W (207)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 9:47 am
You're welcome, Just Carole : )

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 12:51 pm

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 2:06 pm
Noted! Awesome article that has says everything I have been thinking and believing for a very long time now. I have felt alone in these thoughts because people are operating on assumption that this nation is on a path to recovery. In my humble opinion, there is no freaking way that this nation on a path of being "okay".
It has taken many years of corporate greed, corrupt politicians, greedy industry, and outright evil to get where this nation stands, and unless there is some serious eye opening, nothing is going to improve.

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 2:07 pm
Absolutely Danelion !!

Thank you for the article. It is like finally someone put into words what I have thoughts for a very long time.
My soulmate tells me that I sound like a broken record repeating the same things that are in the article. Friends and co-workers are like a foreign species to me much of the time because I get so frustrated that they "JUST DO NOT GET IT". They have bought the bullpucky lock, stock and barrel, and now have gotten themselves into such a finacial disaster that they won't be seeing daylight for a very long time. If ever.
And for what? Why?

This concept of to buy "things" is just a way to control the masses.
I love my mother's words of wisdom from years ago...."The government is baffling us with bulls**t, while they are literally beating us down for utter and complete control."
My mother was 100% on the mark, and that was over 25 years ago. I thank her for her wisdom, and am thankful she will never see the mass destruction of our country if this nightmare continues at the current rate.
Our own fellow citizens are so wrapped in the gaining of things, building their "riches", that they have shut their eyes and minds off to what is really happening all around them.
I have friends and co-workers that work hard 40 hours a week to struggle to just keep a roof over their heads, keep the electricity on, the water running, and keep the cupboards 1/2 full for their families.
I thank my lucky stars that my children are raised, and they were taught that to have things matter little in the bigger scheme of things. Family, environment and all the beasties...or wouldn't be in the mess we are in right now.

Peace Monger (185)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 2:25 pm
Pricele$$, Carole!
Thanx for posting...and to all, for your comments. 'Tis good to know what fine company I keep @Care2.
now.. if only WE ruled the world!

. (0)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 7:24 pm
Power and wealth needs to be diffused,as we move towards societies based on co-operation and can call that socialism,though i'm aware that my American friends ..who are mostly socialists in reality..are shy of that word..whatever we call it we are at the fork in the road between democracy and barbarism.Wealth is being accumalted in fewer hands..those American's who call themselves middle class ( a term that doesn't fit most of them anyway..and one that has been used to create false personal feelings of acheivement and perceived alliance with the status quo/ruling class)..are discovering that health insurance payments and economic depression mean that their individual and collective empire's were built on sand .
Join the great swathe of resister's who fight for an alternative society/world..educate,agitate and organise..Joining the peaceful resistance against health insurance companies ,starting in New York on September 29th is a great place to start or continue the fight.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday September 27, 2009, 7:39 pm
Believe it or not, healthcare vs. warfare are costs that are linked.  Why is it that trillions of dollars are spent for wars, with no justification for engagement, but the concept of providing healthcare for all American citizens is considered to be a deficit that cannot be borne?
Please visit Panda's most recent news contribution, advocating civil disobedience, and weigh in.  We need to start demanding more for our own, and letting our corporate-controlled government know that we are "on to them" and will no longer accept it!
Patients Not Profits..Single Payer Medicare For All.Sit Ins Across America, At Insurance Company Offices.Go To Site..
"Human history begins with man's act of disobedience which is at the very same time the beginning of his freedom and development of his reason." ~Erich Fromm, Psychoanalysis and Religion

Paul Puckett (46)
Monday September 28, 2009, 8:10 am
Just Carole, I'm wondering about the linkage of healthcare and warfare costs. Is there a graph showing the linkage over a period of years? I follow the Treasury Departments Monthly Budget Report but it doesn't have a graph. During Fiscal 2008, National Defense programs (all military, homeland security, etc.) totalled 21% of the annual 2008 Budget Outlays. Social Security, Income Security, Health, and and Medicare totalled 53% of the 2008 Budget Outlays. I don't have the old reports to compare what those percentages have been annually but I never noticed a linkage.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 28, 2009, 1:41 pm

Let me put your mind at ease, Paul. If we only have "X" amount of dollars to budget for expenditures, and we spend TRILLIONS of them on "unwinnable" wars, then we have LESS to spend to benefit the populace (like healthcare).

Got it?

Paul Puckett (46)
Monday September 28, 2009, 2:17 pm
Only X dollars so the pie is always the same size. In capitalism, the pie grows and shrinks, but over time always grows as more capital is created. The growth of spending on the health and human services side of the equation has grown tremendously over the past fifty years and the growth rate is increasing. Military spending has not grown at anything approaching the same level of increase. You indicated a linkage, I was looking for what made you think that there was one. In my opinion, there is no linkage. If there were, military spending would be much higher than 21% to keep up with the other side of the ledger. Also, and I apologize for this, I did not calculate the spending correctly in my previous post. It's 21% defense, 58% Social Security, Income Security, Health, and Medicare/Medicaid.

In the news today, for the first time in over twenty-five years, Social Security paid out more than it took in. There is, and never was, a social security trust fund. Future obligations are held in Treasury Bonds that the Government must pay back, to itself, whenever outlays are larger than income. The FICA tax was originally 2%, 1% from the employee and 1% from the employer. 2% total from self-employed. It is now 7.625% each, or 15.3% if you're self employed. It is the most burdensome tax for lower income people. What rate will be needed as the outflows continue to outpace? Big issue that the President and Congress should address before the government makes more promises. Of course, that's my opinion.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 28, 2009, 2:23 pm


"WE" are the people.

Every 12 minutes one of us dies from lack of medical care.

I think that warrants a priority on the calendar of importance.

(What are you thinking???)

Quit crunching numbers, and try putting this in a "humane" sense.

Do you not also realize that the percentages represented by government for "defense" are also under-estimated? (Like the numbers of mercenaries now being used, because they are held "unaccountable"?)

Oh puleez.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 28, 2009, 2:45 pm

Paul, I would welcome you to this cause; you have an incisive mind.

Paul Puckett (46)
Monday September 28, 2009, 2:47 pm
I'm thinking that I am wasting my time, what do you think?

I came to Care2 because I liked the email from Chopra on the Spirituality part of the website. Deepak Chopra was the only impression that I had of Care2 a few months ago. Then I noticed the tips on organic and green stuff and enoyed reading that section. I didn't even know that Care2 had forums like this one. I made some comments on various stories that struck me because this forum appeared to be a place where ideas are shared and discussed. As I have followed comments, like yours, I have come to the conclusion that most aren't looking for a discussion. Basically, I'm spoiling the party and I hate it when people spoil my parties. I'll quit spoiling this one.

Thank you for helping me realize that my opinions and observations were never welcome here. I'm not offended at all and I hope I gave no offense to you, or anyone else. None was intended.

Best regards, Paul

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 28, 2009, 2:50 pm

I'm sorry you feel that way, Paul.

I've always welcomed dissenting viewpoints, because -- by my attempts to prove otherwise -- only cements my own beliefs and makes me stronger.

You must do what you must do, however.

Paul Puckett (46)
Monday September 28, 2009, 2:59 pm
Thank you for your comments, Just Carole, I'll float a green star your way. I'm still going to avoid the political forums, not because of you, but because it get's me wound up and that isn't good for me or anyone else. As you may realize, I don't bear any animosity towards anyone that I've disagreed with on any Care2 site. I have not walked in any shoes but my own, which is only when I have to wear shoes since barefoot just feels better.

My Thank You was sincere. You made me realize that the issue of getting wound up is within me. Until I can calmly read articles and comments that I disagree with, it is best to focus on other things.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Monday September 28, 2009, 3:09 pm

Bless you, Paul . . . you make this HUGE "mama's heart" wanna hug you!

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Monday September 28, 2009, 5:36 pm
I thank too Paul for your agreeing to parly and allowing me to view your opinion as well.....*S* You give great points, and have an ear for picking which topics have importance to you, and sticking to your is refreshing and insightful. There is nothing wrong with didagreeing or having an opposite point of makes one stop and examine the other point of view in a whole different light. Bring light into the dark is always a good thing....*S*
Carole, you always bring great articles and topics to the forefront. I would miss alot if I didn't go looking for news and new info, and coming to Care 2 is a whole different ballgame altogether.....varying points of view, and new knowledge everyday.
Kudos friend....sorry that I cannot give you another green star.......for surely you deserve it....*S*

Mandi T (367)
Tuesday September 29, 2009, 4:48 pm

thank you Carole
And Bless you Paul
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