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A New Low in Republican Voter Suppression

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TomCat S (123)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 1:34 am
Most of you are probably aware that, in states where Republicans control state government, they are rolling out almost identical Voter ID laws, financed by the Koch Brothers and other corporate criminals. Their intent is to make it harder for people who are most likely to vote for Democrats to vote. But Republicans have now hit a new in voter suppression: trying to enforce voter ID laws in a place that does not even have voter ID laws.

P A (117)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 1:59 am
I do hope no-one will be offended when I say T Weaver and his nasty friends are a lot of Sierra Hotel India Tango(s)!! 'The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance' - never was a truer word said! Bunch of fascists!

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 2:13 am
We've always have had Voters ID law here where I live. You have to show your ID plus Votes Card in order to vote. Everyone should be allowed to vote reguardless if they have a card ID or not.Every vote needs to be counted and votes aren't based on personal information.

Jane Barton (966)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 2:13 am
Are they doing this all over the south? When I vote they never ask me for ID.

Marco C (31)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 3:27 am
Behind the scenes there is much going on to suppress votes and voters. This will be a huge issue. The anxiety levels are rising as they realize that clinging to power is not as easy as it once was.

It is widely believed, that despite all the rumblings, the vote will not get out and that new comers, the old, the young and inexperienced voters can and will be easily thwarted. It is one of the reasons that there is little concern about making any changes in policy and accomodating the 99% (still being looked down on because the 99% are stupid and lazy).

The plan is to lay low, hold fast to the basic principles, not stir up too much dust and then overwhelm the election with the disiplined rank and file spiced with some voter and vote manipulation backed by politically sympathetic justices.

Best case scenario. would be opposition voters are lulled into a false sense of confidence, followed by low voter turn out, aided by a little voter intimidation and judicial malfeasance and no follow up or follow through on breaches of the law. Grey zones will be exploited and "projection" peppered with scare tactics employed to keep folks off balance.

The bottom line here is register, be sure you are registered, document, document, document. Be aware of your rights, stay informed and know who to turn to when you are being violated.

Kit B (276)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 8:07 am
That this is an attempt at suppression of democrats, or those who are considered primarily democrat voters, is not in question. That in one form or another this has been going on for years, often not really even hidden.

In Texas, we must and have shown photo ID to vote for as long as I can remember. Voter fraud is a myth cooked up to make these repressives ideas palatable to those who can't face their own bigotry. In reality we should be far more concerned about election fraud. Two very different issues.

Ellen m (215)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 8:28 am early for a g/star:-)
Democrats, and anyone else concerned with both fraud and suppression need to really get behind the actions already started to get rid of both..or start your sitting back, and not screaming at the top of our lungs, we become part of the problem.
It would be really nice if the DOJ would do something to, but i'm not holding my breath on that one.
Thanks Tom.

Past Member (0)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 8:42 am
im very fortunate that my state allows mail in ballots but i plan to offer rides to anyone needing to physically go to the polls :)

Gary L (138)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 9:43 am
the only way republinazi's win is whenthey lie cheat and bully people and why aren't the two criminals who occupied the polling station under arrest ? could be they have bought their way out?

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 9:48 am
Ah yes, another beautiful fall Sunday mornining spent among our consociates that make up the Mottly Crew. Here we are once again pondering and discusing the conserted efforts of a certain political Party to distroy our democratic republic by obstructing our right to cast our vote. A commitment to what it means to be a card carrying Republican. Along with Privitizing Social Security, disolving the constitution (like usurping freedom of the press and freedom of speech), cutting taxes for the 1%, distroying Medicare, cutting Education spending, proliferating pollution, protect the Oil Corps and big Pharma, promote military spending and war, while allowing the infrastruture to self distruct, perpetuating policies like the (behind their montra – “tough on crime”) War on Drugs = pumping up the Privet Prison Industry. Then they have the balls to whine when the ship hits the fan, when the people stand up to complain, or they’re stuck in trafic or their flight is delayed because the road or runway collapsed. Go figure.

One thing you can’t be to be a Republican is logical or insightfull, nope, #1 top of the list verbotin. Not to diminish in any way their other values such as being untruthful, dishonest, greedy, baligerant, antisocial, racist and just generally psychopatic in nature.

Voter suppression is their hallmark because, as we here know well, an informed voter base diminishes their ability to propagate their agenda. I believe they’re of one mind in seeing themselves as intellectually superior to regular Americans. As such they find it impossible to fathom any perspective or need other then their own having merit or value. And the one thing we can take to the Credit Union, they will vote, vote unified and often - if they can get away with it. Gota give um credit for sticking together, something we liberals seem to find a bit more difficult at times.

Unfortunately, they may well be right, may the gods help us. When one considers the alarming number of Americans that DON’T bother to try to vote or are even cognizant of they’re eligibility status, it gets kinda scary to consider what such voters might bring down upon our heads. Given the number of those who are uninformed, misinformed and uninterested enough to educate themselves on the issues, so they might just formulate a rational opinion, voting instead based on an emotional, religious or image preference over substance, is more then a bit disconcerting.

That said, voting is a right and a privilege we must do all in our power to secure. Speaking out, in a unified voice opposing any and all attempts to impose restricted access to anyone’s ability to exercising their right. Meanwhile we need to persist in our efforts to educate on the issues and encourage people to register.

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 10:08 am
Both these dirtbags need to get some serious jail time….I hope they do. Introduce them to Bubba, that’ll wipe those shitty smirks off their faces in a hurry. I loathe RepubliFascists.

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 10:53 am
How can the Republicans be so silly, yes, silly. Trying to impose voter id's in state that has no such laws.

Barbara B (3)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 11:02 am
Such a shame for a site so able to do good things to sink to inflammatory and polarizing reporting. Voter fraud is rampant, checking I.D. is one idea for containing it, If there are other ideas out there please report them, otherwise why does this have to be reported as a "Republican" idea at all? The media plays a vital role in a healthy democracy by informing the electorate. To slant a report in this manner does a disservice to us all and, while all to prevelant, reduces the report to a grocery store check-out line status. In America we are able to hold differing opinions without being labeled as racists/fascists etc. I choose to remain informed by reading a variety of sources, knowing that Jon Stewart is amazingly funny, often insightful and Not the news. I choose to believe that Republicans and Democrats hold different views, each has fringe elements and without the fringe we would not be able to identify the middle. So, let's work together, we have big problems that require the application of all our intellict regardless of party line.

Terry King (113)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 11:05 am
Republican "Dirty Tricks' didn't die with Nixon. We must be ever vigilant!

David C (75)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 11:15 am
nothing the repuglicons do surprises me any more....its a race to the bottome for them to protect the 1% and destroy the world....

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 11:58 am
The Republican selling point to us would be.......What? I have tried to think of Anything that they espouse that I could agree with, but for the life of me I cannot think of anything. Evidently......others feel the same way. No wonder they are trying to suppress the vote.

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 12:36 pm
Voter fraud is not nearly as rampant as some are inclined to want to believe, depending on ideology and party affiliation. Some stats that may surprise some, below. Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you think you might have seen. Then check and recheck other sources.

” And yet between October 2002 and September 2005, just 38 cases were brought nationally, and of those, 14 ended in dismissals or acquittals, 11 in guilty pleas, and 13 in convictions.

Vicky Locke (3)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 1:52 pm
Atrocious. How can they keep getting away with this? I think Hawkeye Salmonsen hit the nail on the head; "...Gota give um credit for sticking together, something we liberals seem to find a bit more difficult at times..."

Barbara B (3)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 1:53 pm
Well put, believing none of what I hear - including, of course there is the messy thing about Acorn and the thousands of signatures that were fraudulant, duplicate, paid for and the list goes on and on. The current dust up about the governor having not signed the voter petition thing is unfortunate, of course but not rampant and then the hundreds of votes found in the trunk that put the Minnesota race into over-time so the one time comedienne could take his stand-up act to the Congress. None of this is particularly based on an ideology and that fact that it largely involved the Democratic party is truly irrelevant. Incidentally, please ignore the fact that the Democrats have held both houses and the White House for two years - it makes it so difficult to blame this mess on the Republicans - source of all evil. One must suspend realityto buy into such opinions.

Sunday October 23, 2011, 2:24 pm
Well we all show ID when voting but still get to vote I think this to intimate the those who do not have an ID,people of color who live on the outside of the main stream of inernet,TV or media. Those who would vote for Obama and get turned away and do nothing about it. This would cause another uproar. But if Obama wins like in 2008 it will put the Republians attempts along with many a waste of time. Obama/Biden 2012

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 3:27 pm
@ Barbara B
Mr Obama has tried working together with the Republicans for the past 3 years and is getting the 'no way Jose' cold shoulder from the Republicans. If you think it is the fringe element (I agree that both parties have a finge) only, look again --- the entire Republican Congressional 'team' is on the fringe. Then there are the states, each with their own agenda, and the ones that draw the lines for the congressional districts. With a heavy perpondrance of Republican state governments, they are also the ones changing ID requirements etc. That is not responsible government. That is government afraid of being responsible!

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 3:55 pm
"How many votes did the Republican Party steal at that election? Weaver and Zazula should be criminally charged. Remember, when Republicans claim fraud, the only election fraud that can be demonstrated is Republicans defrauding voters." In Illinois the voter ID card has NO picture on it, and I've never had to show it, just tell the people manning the desk who I am & where I live - my name is on their list of elligible voters & I sign a paper there saying I am who I say I am.

Barbara B (3)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 4:01 pm
Ah yes, would that be when he invited the Democrats to the White House to draft the health care legislation excluding the Republicans altogether. Maybe you mean how he continues to blame the weather/war/Mr. Bush/Rebpublicans throughout his tenure. Let's not forget the warm and fuzzy campaigning he is doing about the jobs bill. The bill can't get through either House, Little Harry Reid doesn't want to work on it, but it's the Republicans! Good grief, give me a drag off that before you throww it away.

Mary T (178)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 5:04 pm
This does not surprise me one bit the republicans will stoop to anything to win an election.

Edwin M (346)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 6:29 pm
The republicans are afraid that they may be voted out and they should be afraid because if my vote counts and hopefully more people in my State feel as I do than next November we'll have one less republican congressman in Washington.

Carol H (229)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 6:37 pm
noted, thanks Tom

TomCat S (123)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 9:31 pm
Thanks to all but one. Note that the right winger created a new ID for the occasion and offered no evidence what soever while my article is well supported. The DOJ under Bush spent at least six years conducting an investigation into the so-called voter fraud she claims is rampant. They came up empty. I have said many times that I have no problems with voter ID, if it's free to poor people and easily accessible for seniors and disabled people. But Republican laws do not to these things. In Wisconsin, for example, Republicans closed DMV offices in blue districts and extended their hours of operation in Red Districts. DMV workers in blue districts were forbidden to tell people who could not afford it that they can get it free.

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 9:39 pm
I agree with Nameless. There are ". . . two critical issues for us next year: [1] GOTV (Get Out the Vote) and [2] Monitor Attempts at Voter Suppression. "

GOTV --- Because there are so many different voting regulations as it is a state responsibility, I would suggest

1 - find out what the state law requires re ID etc and make sure that a factual (no campaigning) flyer gets out to every household;
2 - get people registered asap --- if you know that someone does not have access to a DMV office to get picture ID, get them there, or a group of them, to get their picture ID; it's a great way to meet more people and start discussions too;
3 - make sure you keep talking it up so that voting responsibly is in the forefront of everyone's mind;
get people to the polls --- during the time between now and Nov 2012, get drivers and voters matched up so that there is no confusion on voting day.

In Canada, it is not unusual for the political parties to offer to get non drivers to the polls. It is nobody's business but the voter as to which he/she will vote for and I tell people not to say anything to anybody. If a political support person is going to give you a ride, that's great but you don't owe them anything about your vote. I even get calls like: What party are you going to vote for? and I respond that my vote is private. The call I like is the one that asks: Can we count on your vote? to which I respond: You can count on me to vote.

Monitor Attempts at Voter Suppression --- As someone who has worked at Internal Auditing in banking and mortgage fraud investigations, my first word for you is 'document, document, document! Keep track of names, dates, circumstances etc and if you can, get pictures. Look for witnesses if you can and make sure you have name and contact info. Never, however, put yourself in harm's way.

In my opinion, humble or not, any attempt at voter suppression or intentional confusion of voters is an act of election fraud and needs to be dealt with properly, hence the document! document! document! For years, the US has been hailed as the bastion of the free vote and a paragon of voter rights such that teams from the US are asked to participate in the observation of voting in other countries trying to establish free and democratic elections. With what I have see at Care 2 and Politics Plus regarding election fraud, vote suppression, and questionable voting proceedures, there are 2 things that have to happen:

1 - Voting for federal office needs to be standarised for all states and territories --- I know this will require a constitutional amendment but it is necessary if the US is to avoid disparaties ie I believe it is Wisconsin that is amending the electoral college rules for the state which would change how its vote is counted, and would put it at odds with other states that do not have the same formula.
2 - The US should be prevented from assisting at any election observation until its own house is in order.

I am not an American so I can't vote, but I am interested in what happens. To me, this is part and parcel with the economic and social inequalities that OWS is bringing to the fore.

Kamila A (141)
Sunday October 23, 2011, 10:42 pm
Maybe liberals can come out and keep an eye on things during the elections...?

TomCat S (123)
Monday October 24, 2011, 12:07 am
Excellent, Lynn!!

By all means Camila. We need poll watchers at every polling place to prevent abuse where possible, and if not, to document it.

Rita White (55)
Monday October 24, 2011, 7:43 am
Great Post ~ Thank you !

Sue Matheson (79)
Monday October 24, 2011, 8:02 am

Elizabeth Fuller (134)
Monday October 24, 2011, 8:48 am
They should be arrested for fraud and misrepresentation....

Nancy C (806)
Monday October 24, 2011, 9:46 am
I've said time and again, register, re-register, check your voting protocol in plenty of time to be sure your vote will be counted...Let's not let their antics change our voter turn-out.

Past Member (0)
Monday October 24, 2011, 10:32 am
Rock the Vote: register to vote, get educated, volunteer

Robert B (55)
Monday October 24, 2011, 10:36 am
@Barbara B. - LOL , it almost never fails. When I see comments like yours, I always check the profile and guess what??? It's as empty as the comment. Just another right wing plant.
This article is about a case of Republican voter suppression. IF you can find a credible story about Democrat voter suppression, PLEASE feel free to alert us.
Further more, it is the Republican congress that has stood in the way of EVERY aspect of the jobs bill. The have also done the country a major disservice by holding up EVERY nomination put forth by our President. The Party of NO has got to GO!!!! OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!

Barbara B (3)
Monday October 24, 2011, 8:49 pm
My children and I have been using the Care 2 site for awhile now. I love having the opportunity to demonstrate the mulititude of ways it is possible to be involved; the number of arenas that are available for participation. I, however, had just notice the political site, saw the suppression post and responded. I had no idea I was a "right-winger", I have no idea what or where the profile stuff is nor did I have any clue that dissenting or different opinions are not welcome. Robert B., I'm so happy to have brought a laugh to your day. All too often progressives are so serious. As for producing a credible source of Democrat voter suppression: I would refer you to any paper that covered the Black Panthers standing outside a polling place with nightsticks. There was the poorly covered statement by Eric Holder that complaints by non-minorities of voter intimidation "will not be investigated." I reference, again, the Acorn scandle, the recent revelation that the Indiana governor's signature was forged on Mr. Obama's petition to run. (I do not believe that Mr. Obama had any knowledge of this, incidentally). Tom Cat: is there someplace I can see the support you mentioned for your article? I really did miss it, no doubt because I am new to this part of the site. As for my own support of my post, I thought anyone who was paying the least bit of attention to the news would recognize the incidents I talked about. Clearly, however, some of the participants on this site prefer not to see any side but the one to which they subscribe. "Thanks to all but one"...REALLY? Grow Up!
Free speech is annoying but if it results in people having to be "boxed up" ("right-winger") then knock yourselves out. Support each other, talk together, convince yourselves you are absolutely right and that only you know truth. Ultimately it won't change a thing - except that you will occasionally be surprised by elections like 2010. I trust you to pick up and go on funded by George Soros and other "left-wing" organizations and folks - you mentioned the Koch brothers (with whom I am unfamilar but are apparently the George Soros of the right). Difference not being tolerated here I will not be back. Too bad for me, though, I like to hear what other people think. Clearly this is not the forum for me.

TomCat S (123)
Monday October 24, 2011, 10:36 pm
Barbara, what your profile says is that you joined Care2 on 10/23/2011, the day you replied. You certainly have the right to your own opinions, but we all have to use the same facts. You don't get to make up your own. As for not thanking you, am I supposed to thank you for attacking my article?

Thanks to everyone else, Kudos to Robert.

Cam V (417)
Thursday November 3, 2011, 12:40 am
We have to produce ID to vote here in Canada and it works well. I don't understand the problem with this here idea.

TomCat S (123)
Friday November 4, 2011, 12:56 am
Cam, it's not the ID itself. Things Republicans are doing include increasing DMV hours of operation in Republican areas, closing DMVs in Democratic areas and ordering DMV clerks in poor Democratic areas not to tell potential voters that they can get their ID free. It is implementing the laws in such a way as to keep likely Democratic voters away from the polls.
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