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TomCat S (125)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 6:00 am
Of the many so-called solutions to protecting our society from gun violence, placing armed guards in schools is one of the most popular on the right. Keeping schools safe has to be a high priority, but I question the validity of the notion that guns are the solution to gun violence. Here’s one reason why.
 

Ben O (130)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 6:20 am
Anyone suggesting that in Sweden would be locked up in a mental institution...
 

David C (75)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 7:25 am
here in MN we have state politicians praising this action.....I think its stupid....
 

JL A (281)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 8:04 am
All the research (e.g., Harvard Public Health) indicates more guns=more gun violence so this so-called solution appears to be designed to maximize the number of children killed rather than to reduce that number.
 

Alice C (1797)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 8:31 am
Armed guards in schools ? ~ I would home school as many mothers and fathers have done
 

David C (29)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 8:39 am
Armed guards in schools ? .I think its stupid
 

P A (117)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 10:15 am
People have to be of a certain character and to be TRAINED to react in a certain way in a crisis – eg to walk towards the sound of gunfire instead of running away (like the rest of us) – what blithering idiot Repuglicon thinks ALL teachers have the same personality traits as the Army? They demonstrably don't – or they wouldn't be in teaching they would be in the Army! Also as TC has said in the past and as Patty says – Columbine High and Virginia Tech prove that the presence of armed guards does not stop shootings.
 

John B (185)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 10:22 am
Thanks Tom for the excellent post and video. More bullets flying around a school is the last thing we need. I fully agree with your assessment that the last thing we need is "putting guns in the hands of teachers, untrained school officials, and especially volunteer vigilantes is a virtual guarantee that tragic accidents will happen." Ben I wish that were the case here in this country. Read, viewed and noted.
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 11:35 am

There were armed guards at Columbine. Not one had the ability to take a shot without harming innocents. Armed guards in schools make schools into prisons. We already have many safety procedures in place at most schools and even with an armed guard at New Town, who can say that he/she would not have been the first to be shot. The attacker always knows what they have planned, the rest of us do not expect the attack. If the Principal had been armed, that would have required, as it would for any teacher with a gun, first unlocking a safety cabinet, loading the weapon, and with a HUGE amount of luck, then being able to shot before being shot. As I said before, we have about one tenth of one second to react to these assaults.

J L presented some of the best research out currently that is impartial and accurate.

What I really have to say to the NRA and these horrible and dangerous ideas, can not be printed for public viewing.
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 11:37 am

** shoot before being shot** sorry typo
 

Robert T (62)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 11:52 am
It is frustrating to try and talk to these far right groups.
There were armed guards at Columbine. They say: "OH....there is an excuse for that."
There were armed personnel at that army base in Texas. They say: "OH.....there is an excuse for that."
The right refuses to acknowledge the harm being done by not having background checks. They refuse to acknowledge the harm being done by so many people having so much access to so many firearms. Strange philosophy by strange people.
 

Winn A (179)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 12:13 pm
What a crazy idea, NO!
 

Dotti L (85)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 12:27 pm
I say definitely No. Had mixed feelings at first, but after reading many articles and scenarios, made up my mind.
 

Birgit W (160)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 12:47 pm
Absolutely NOT!
 

Myron S (70)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 12:54 pm
This is why the few really bad actor kids in my school are muttering, "Go ahead, make my day."
 

Malgorzata Z (202)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 12:58 pm
To mi się nie podoba, przemoc rodzi przemoc.
 

Darren W (218)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 1:38 pm
Blinking 'ell! I think schools should have very good and stimulating teachers and subjects to learn/from. Armed guards, Wtf?!
 

M B (62)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 1:54 pm
no, they shouldn't !!
 

Carol H (229)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 1:59 pm
I sure dont think so!!!! thanks Tom, noted
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 2:42 pm
The establishment wants armed guards to get the kids used to living in an authoritarian police state.
 

Yvonne W (229)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 2:45 pm
I think it depends on WHY the armed guards are suddenly necessary – if Students are bringing guns to school, then their Parents need to be arrested…if Outside people are "the threat" then armed guards should be posted Outside the school! People just seem to be losing all reason. NOBODY inside a school should be armed with anything more than tasers, mace, or pocket knives..and I only say that because I carried a pocket knife in my purse in school – I had to walk home every day & more than once I eluded suspicious characters when no one else was in sight (and WAY before cell phones!;).

 

Joy M (168)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 3:13 pm
No way, that's going too far...
 

Lois J (63)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 3:35 pm
School campuses should be gun free zones. Here in AZ....up in Phx, Sheriff Arpaio is actively working to place armed guards in schools. Since then, a petition has been created to get rid of him, and it's going strong. The silent majority don't want their kids in schools where guns are allowed....and they're now speaking up, thankfully!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 5:14 pm
Thanks.
 

lee e (114)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 5:43 pm

NYC often has cops at schools and even medal detectors upon entering – and I'm not so disturbed by that – this is a crazed city – it has proven to be fairly regulatated – both of my kids are "city bred" and my son – now in Seattle – is "knowledgable" in gun use –(much to my dismay) and my daughter is living here in NYC — she's street smart — I wish that I, as a parent could continue my own belief that guns are only encouraging violence – but I can't control the world – or my children!

I'm certainly against teachers – the "mentors of our children" – to be gun carriers – let those decisions be brought up in their own f'd up families not in our schools!

 

Mary T (178)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 7:31 pm
Teachers are at school to teach not be armed guards, What a insane idea.
 

Lynn S (235)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 9:20 pm
I am opposed to guns, period. So then it is no surprise that I am opposed to guns in schools. Teachers are trained to teach, so let them teach. Schools are no place for second best when it comes to guns.

One thing that I was very surprised to see, was some towns/cities having by-laws that mandated that all homes have a gun in them. The Guardian article was not the first article I saw, it articulates several instances of this.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/09/us-towns-require-residents-gun

Now that blew me away as a violation of the 2nd amendment. It puts the right to bear arms in the context of a militia and nowhere does it say that a person must bear arms.


A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It could also be a violation of the first amendment.

It seems that the US is "gun happy".
 

Edith B (146)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 9:44 pm
NO! We should not have armed guards or teachers carrying guns at schools.
 

Walt G (2)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 10:35 pm
Tomcat said, "Keeping schools safe has to be a high priority, but I question the validity of the notion that guns are the solution to gun violence. "
Well Tomcat, first let me commend you on the restraint you show in your comment. However, in order to remain consistent, and avoid hypocrisy....I wouild expect you to call for disarming of all Police...and the military as well....since, as we all know..."Guns AREN'T the solution to 'gun violence', right? Arm police and the military with boquets of flowers, and have them stand holding hands and singing Kumbaya. The reality is that in our somewhat less enlightened world than you envision....armed agression and force must be met with equal or superior defensive 'force'. It works for Police...it works for the military, and it works for something like 2.6 million Americans every year. I work in schools, and according to many who post here, I have NO RIGHTS to self defense if MY school is invaded by armed criminals. Do you expect me to engage in a futile and suicidal gesture such as the Principal and Counsellor did at Newton? I highly doubt it...mama didn't raise any stupid boys. Take away my right to present any form of viable self-defense....and I'm heading out the window or whichever method will get me out of the school the fastest!
Can you please explain to me why schools are exempt from the natural law that evil (armed agression) must be confronted, as much as possible, with equal defensive force?
 

Walt G (2)
Sunday March 10, 2013, 10:46 pm
Yvonne said," I carried a pocket knife in my purse in school – I had to walk home every day & more than once I eluded suspicious characters when no one else was in sight."

So, Yvonne, you admit to carrying a concealed 'WEAPON', but would deny others the right to the same defensive strategy?
One thing I learned early...in the 'school of life'....and in 25 years as a 'Peace Officer'....is...."DON'T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT!" While carrying that knife 'may' have given you a (false) sense of security, the reality is that unless you'd taken extensive training in fighting with edged weapons, anyone attacking you with even a knife would quite probably have made short work of you.

So, why then would you deny OTHERS...the right to carry an adequate means of defense (like a handgun) in case THEY are threatened.....OR....THEY are put in the position of being the only person 'standing in the gap' to defend the defenseless, in the absence of law enforcement officers?
 

Ben O (130)
Monday March 11, 2013, 3:33 am
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"
(Mark Twain)
 

TomCat S (125)
Monday March 11, 2013, 4:17 am
Thanks to all but the one shilling for the gun industry, who ignores how effective the armed guards were at Columbine.
 

Arielle S (313)
Monday March 11, 2013, 6:52 am
There is a reason for the police to have guns - when everyone has a gun, it becomes a crap shoot. Why should we turn our schools into prisons just so some dude can claim his so-called rights? Can you own a cannon? Or a nuclear weapon? Wouldn't that make you feel more secure if you had one of those? Any idiot can wave a gun around - it takes a real man to see reason.
 

Ro H (0)
Monday March 11, 2013, 7:27 am
NO!
 

divergent r (309)
Monday March 11, 2013, 9:58 am
ditto
 

Walt G (2)
Wednesday March 13, 2013, 11:10 pm
Tomcat said:"Thanks to all but the one shilling for the gun industry, who ignores how effective the armed guards were at Columbine."
Presumably he meant ME. I'm disappointed, but not surprised, to see him resort to Ad Hominem attack, rather than to address anything substantive, or the hypocrisy I pointed out in his post. When one resorts to that kind of slur and attack, it merely denotes a lack of any cogent rebuttal.

As for Columbine....well, seems to me that there was ONE armed guard, who was on his lunch break, at the far corner of that rather large campus at the time....and contrary to the various claims posted here by some, he DID engage one of the gunmen, but at no closer distance than 60 yards, a very long way for one armed with a handgun. He DID also facilitate the escape of numerous children/youths from the building and surrounding area, so it is inarguable that his presence, while not neutralizing the gunmen, drove them inside, and then helped save the lives of a number of students. The claims here to the contrary are facile.
 
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