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Debate to Begin on Weakened Gun Control

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Congress, DINOS, NRA, Public Safety, Sabotage, Video )

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TomCat S (125)
Friday April 12, 2013, 5:38 am
It almost feels like a major victory, but it isnít It took a major effort to shame just a few Republicans to merely allow debate to begin on a very watered down version of gun regulation. While it closes the gun show loophole, all it would take for someone who could not pass a background check to purchase an assault weapon with a 100 round drum is to have an acquaintance, who could, make the purchase for them. The NRA have done to sensible firearms legislation exactly what their Republican cohorts did to health care reform and financial reform. That said, it is doubtful that even this will survive, but if it can, we should take it and start over.

Past Member (0)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:00 am
Noted. Thanks.

pam w (139)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:06 am
There are MANY possible compromises here but the NRA and gun fanatics don't seem willing to find them.

We're the laughingstock of the world....a bunch of adolescent ''wanna be'' cowboys, swaggering around with REAL GUNS on our hips! (Woo hoo!)

Meanwhile, children die and innocent adults do, too.

Past Member (0)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:06 am
Thanks, TomCat, Excellent debate. Chris Hayes is very intelligent and informed, and he keeps the discussion on that level. It is sad to think that the gun safety movement has been so stymied in any effort to improve gun laws, we are actually supposed to be excited over these few paltry crumbs which are tossed our way. So the majority of the American people support universal background checks, but the NRA, funded by the gun manufacturers, can afford to hire the lobbyists which caused this whole fiasco of a gun bill? We need to get the corporate money, and their pet lobbyists, out of our law-making process.

Anna Undebeck (256)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:07 am
Noted, thank you!

Past Member (0)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:16 am
Tom, Just wanted to include this link to a DemocracyNow! show on a related topic. It's called Strange Bedfellows: Pres. Obama pushes Gun Control at Home While Thwarting Weapons Trade Laws at the U.N. The U.N. and many countries around the world want to create laws controlling the sale of military weaponry on an international level. As you know, there are currently no laws governing the international weapons trade. So anyone, including terrorists and genocidal warlords, can purchase any armaments they choose. And guess which country sells the most weapons on the international market? The U.S., of course (billions of dollars worth.) And guess who came to the U.N. to speak on the issue? Wayne Lapierre!!! Since when does he represent the U.S. on international issues?! Of course, he touted the usual 2nd amendment spiel--at the U.N!!!
Here's the link:

Gloria picchetti (304)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:34 am
I am doing all I can to have strong gun control with background checks and no multiple clips. If it doesn't happen at least we know many criminals will get shot themselves because they are criminals and they are stupid. Also some of the folks who would not support this will also die with their own weapons the way Lanza's mother did.

Gene J (288)
Friday April 12, 2013, 6:53 am
It just never stops amazing me that 4 million (if there ARE that many) NRA members can tell the other 409 million of us what to do AND we listen, or our weak-kneed political hacks do. One of my favorite movies of all time is the American President with Michael Douglas and Annette Bening, in it he talks about the NRA and says "just how powerful can ONE lobby be?" That movie was from the early 90's and we are still dealing with the same crap. Only far worse than conditions were then. I wish our legislators would grow a spine and do what they were elected to do, PROTECT the American people against all enemies foreign and domestic. And the NRA is most assuredly a domestic enemy to the 409 million of us who aren't members. It just makes me sick the way our representatives quake and quiver whenever the mouse named Wayne roars. WTF use are they if they can be bullied by one noxious man? I guess we had better worry about North Korea since they have more than 4 million people, allegedly. Gawd...

Past Member (0)
Friday April 12, 2013, 7:04 am
It's beyond me that this issue is considered debatable! With rights come responsibilities. I'm proud of my Senator Toomey for stepping up to the plate on gun control!

David C (75)
Friday April 12, 2013, 7:17 am
Repuglicons should be ashamed that they are willing to delay, weaken, and allow a minority to tell the rest of us what to do, but that is normal for them.....

Arielle S (313)
Friday April 12, 2013, 7:31 am
Any Congressional "representative" (ha) who chooses the NRA over the people, has no business being in office and we need to kick a good many out of office. This is NOT going to go away - unfortunately, it seems still more people will have to die, many of them children, before the buttheads get the message - but gun safety WILL be addressed sooner or later.

P A (117)
Friday April 12, 2013, 8:33 am
Unbelievable. Thanks TC.

Chris C (152)
Friday April 12, 2013, 10:26 am
I called my 2 Repug senators today and told them what I want! I call them ALL THE TIME! HA! They are getting to know me well. I made sure I got their local phone numbers.
Even though this is a watered down version of gun's a step in the right's SOMETHING! We're on the way to more common sense gun control.
As for our spineless politicians who quaver at Wayne's name...we need to get the hell rid of them and elect someone who will stand up for the PEOPLE and not the NRA! As for Wayne, he too will fall just like Rove and Grover Norquist are currently doing!

David C (29)
Friday April 12, 2013, 10:50 am
Noted. Thanks TC

Past Member (0)
Friday April 12, 2013, 12:34 pm
Pam, most countries are better armed than most Amercans. And those not used bombs.

Arielle S (313)
Friday April 12, 2013, 12:54 pm
My senators keep assuring me that they believe in the second amendment - which tells me two things: one they are not concerned with what the people want, only what they want and two, they have no clue other than the donations they receive from the NRA.

Shirley B (5)
Friday April 12, 2013, 2:41 pm
I love that movie also. Does anyone remember during President Obamas first campaign the words "I will make sure the lobbying in Washington will be over." ? Obviously there is more to lobbying than meets the eye if all these mice in Congress are either afraid or paid not to be men.

roxy H (350)
Friday April 12, 2013, 2:44 pm
Well, I am one of the Wisconsin Walk-me-to-Hell-Walker Residents...With his Kochpuppets JerkmeJohnson, BigEarLyinRyn and all the KKK NRA A+ rated Dem's Guns? Hell ya and Poachers and OOO yessss we also have bragging rights of having the worlds largest supply of furs and minks and all under the exports of { agriculture export} but in reality its depleting every resource of animal and now they are tired of randomly killing every living thing here so now they are attacking Mother Earth and the Great Lakes and Yessss The Mighty Mississippi River might as well get taken out of the picture... ohhhhh we talking about guns? pffftttt... there is NO ROOM FOR GUN LAWS HERE! ... ugh... these lawmakers totally suck and they will not even look at a piece of paper if there is a gunlaw written on it ...maybe to wipe their a$$ on

. (0)
Friday April 12, 2013, 2:59 pm
As Gene and Shirley wrote, who sold out to the NRA to the highest bidder? It appears there were many.

Birgit W (160)
Friday April 12, 2013, 3:26 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday April 12, 2013, 3:48 pm
Noted w/thanks, Tom.
I'm so glad to see an article that mentions the 100-round drum. Until recently, I didn't even know of its existence--found out it was used by the Aurora shooter. And, I can hardly believe "machinery" like this exists and is sold to regular citizens. As far as people buying guns for others, I don't know why those who buy a weapon that's used in any shooting aren't indicted for "conspiracy." That's a law that should definitely be on the books.
So, my 2 Senators were not on the "naughty" list. I guess maybe they were "shamed" enough by many, (including Gabby Giffords), who live here in AZ. I know I've sent my share of mailings and signed petitions.

Louise D (44)
Friday April 12, 2013, 4:36 pm
Given there is an article in which small children little more than toddlers are killing each other due to guns being left around should be a wake up call to the dangers of lax gun control. However, there are people who think it is acceptable for a few children to be killed because guns give people security. The NRA has certainly denied any reasonable debate on the matter by wading in with all the tact of a Cleavland steamer, which such lies as Hitler banned guns and there is a need for there to be more guns. The debate should be on why some people should be armed better than some countries military rather on constantly cherry picking the second amendment, life would of been a lot easier if they had prohibited fire arms in the 1920s rather than alcohol.

Lynn S (235)
Friday April 12, 2013, 4:37 pm
Until the money and related corruption is taken out behind the woodshed and whoopped into submission, the corporations and elite will continue to get their way to the detriment of the vast majority. As I said in the last article: Make Republican/Teabaggers an endangered species but don't give them the protections of the Endangered Species Act, or any other act for that matter!

@ Lois --- I read an article about a Seattle man that came out of a weapons store with a RPG launcher over his shoulder. The police stopped him, questionned him and took the machine from him until they could verify what to do. A freaking RPG launcher! What does your average citizen need with such a weapon.. I never heard the outcome but can only hope that RPG was not returned and the weapons store closed down, or at least investigated. This guy, when asked by police,thought it was his right under the 2nd amendment to own such a weapon. What a crock!

Jeremy S (3)
Friday April 12, 2013, 5:09 pm
I'm in the vast minority, but I think that one person's Second Amendment rights end where another person's safety is concerned, and that for that reason, all guns should be eliminated, the way they are (or were) in Great Britain. It's not a perfect system, and I know guns have gotten into the hands of people on the streets even there, but it's a starting place.

But then, I like to aim for a Utopia, and am constantly disappointed when Real Life exerts its presence.

Kerrie G (116)
Friday April 12, 2013, 5:14 pm
Noted, thanks.

JL A (281)
Friday April 12, 2013, 8:51 pm
Hopefully public outrage will let the other bills proceed to the floor as well.

Susanne R (236)
Saturday April 13, 2013, 1:30 am
The Senators who voted to not even discuss allowing fewer criminals to buy guns to murder Americans MUST be voted out of office during the next election! These people obviously care more about the NRA's campaign contributions and the promise of high-paying jobs once they leave office than the lives of our children and other innocent citizens! The last statistic I read was that 91% of Americans favor more sensible gun control laws. So just WHO are these Senators representing? If they're not representing the majority, they're not doing their jobs and they don't deserve to keep their jobs! I hope the voters from the states these cold-hearted and greedy liars represent give them the boot ASAP!

paul m (93)
Saturday April 13, 2013, 5:51 am

Noted ,,Tom, but I can't see this problem ever going away..

Ro H (0)
Saturday April 13, 2013, 6:04 am

Scott haakon (4)
Saturday April 13, 2013, 1:32 pm
We need to critically think and not allow emotions to cloud our thoughts. many of the proposals are outrageous. We already have as effective but flawed federal law. There must be a better way than what has been proposed.
We need to know exactly what it is that we support. Many details can be hidden that come out later show flaws that take time and money to rectify.
Criminals usually steal guns or get them made by a local gunsmith. The way we do it does not have protection for Identification theft or errors.
We also have to understand that we ourselves are not a universal template. We need to see other sides to the issue and get our heads around those thoughts and feelings. putting yourself in another's shoes is important in these emotional and practical discussions.
There are differing thoughts and philosophies due to experiences and training. Again we cannot suppose that anything is as one sided.

Scott haakon (4)
Saturday April 13, 2013, 1:41 pm
@Linda Rust
There is another side to the UN gun control. many of the countries are plagued by bandits,terrorists and because the people cannot get arms to defend themselves these well funded and equipped groups terrorize the country. The supposed government is powerless especially in the African political scene. Remember at times the "government" is a genocidal warlord. Our perception in the United States is based on very incomplete knowledge. But there are other none standard news medias that are shaking up the mainstream. I myself read as much as I can from all points of view. and from other countries. many who have English editions.

Reggie Thomas (5)
Tuesday April 16, 2013, 8:02 am
A DEBATE AT THE SAME TABLE WITH THE REPUBLICANS!!! WHAT A WASTE TIME.WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THEIR ANSWER, for Example,here's a incomplete sentence,just fill in the blank.I added the first word.

Sergio Padilla (65)
Thursday April 25, 2013, 10:49 am

Winn A (179)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 11:57 am
The leaders of the NRA are beyond disgusting and despicable. We all know the Republicans fund them and will continue to do so for as long as there are guns in the world. I say vote ALL Republicans (and some Democrats) out of office in every state at every opportunity. Until there are less Republicans in office the American People don't stand a fighting chance for meaningful gun laws and background checks. This must change but until it does many more children and adults in America will dye. The republicans have blood on their hands and it won't wash away.
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