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TomCat S (126)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 1:10 am
Let me begin with the caveat that I am not a fan of Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). She spends far more time in bed with America’s rogue agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA) than any Democrat should. That said, I stand in full support of her attempts to bring to light both the crimes committed by the CIA under the Bush Regime, and their subsequent crimes to prevent the Senate Intelligence Committee from fulfilling their proper oversight roll. Here’s the latest.

Alan Lambert (91)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 1:29 am
I'm sure Feinstein is very unhappy with this one. She;s one of the adults in the room and will brook no nonsense like the CIA spying on her computers

Gloria picchetti (304)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 3:56 am
Let heads roll.

divergent r (309)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 4:53 am
If they had to pick any group to monitor, the Senate seems like a good place to start.
Too bad that the information will not see the light of day anytime soon without a whistling patriot blowing the place up , more like letting it implode.
Thanks TC

Lona Goudswaard (67)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 5:57 am
These agencies are so arrogant to think that they rule the country, and perhaps they do, but as always with corrupt power, they think they are above the law. And from this arrogance they overestimate the loyalty of their staunchest supporters like Dianne Feinstein and the whistle-blower. If you treat your supporters the same way you treat the enemy (by not cooperating with the investigation and illegally searching the computers of her staff and possibly herself) you foolishly make it very personal. Ms. Feinstein now was personally at the other end of their illegal activities and that must have opened her eyes.

We can only hope that Obama rectifies his mistake by not investigating the CIA's crimes in the Bush era. The Republicans will resist of course, but this will give the Democrats more leverage in their attack on the GOP and perhaps Obama can leave with one more promise kept: he closed Guantanamo.

P A (117)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 7:20 am
I can't believe that with all the CIA's broken promises and illegal behavior, that the Committee thought that the CIA wouldn't go after them with the more unpleasantness - if you let a bully run riot, things escalate nastily.

Mind you, picking on Senator Feinstein will I think prove to be an own goal for the CIA - much though I disagree with Senator Feinstein about her desire to listen to all our conversations as though law abiding decent citizens were criminals, she must make a bad enemy, and it is rather foolish of the CIA to go after her staff - her 'family', if you like, she would naturally protect them.

In this case 'all power to her elbow' - I hope she reins in this agency and all the others - and realises that they have gone too far - this has been Bush-era spying gone mad, which we would never have expected from Democrats!


Joanne D (38)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 8:03 am
While it is immoral to the point of incestuous for the CIA to investigate anyone who is investigating them (Think being accused of a crime and therefore hacking the police and district attorney computers), let's not lose sight of the fact that the regulations governing the three agencies make it out of bounds (illegal) for the CIA to investigate anyone at all in the Senate. That is the job of the FBI.

I am not a big fan of DiFi either but let us hope this makes a believer out of her.

My plan would be: Release all whistle blowers and people with drug use convictions from all Federal prisons immediately. (Start with John Kiriakou.) Then lock up the ENTIRE CIA. Like that would ever happen, I know.

pam w (139)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 8:09 am
What Joanne just said!

Arielle S (313)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 9:34 am
Could we throw in all the Republican congressional folk, too, Joanne?

Mitchell D (87)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 10:18 am
This has to be the only context in which I may be ppleased to see the Bush and Cheney faces...except, perhaps, from behind bars!
Not that it will happen, but according to writings of Dennis Kucinich (sp?), Bush (maybe Cheney) can still be impeached.
That could be a way to stop some (pension)federal expenditures.

Terrie Williams (798)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:10 am
Anyone have airfare for the flight to ..... The Hague? Can we say PROOF OF WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY???? Good, I knew we could. The CIA has never been ANY different than the KGB, they are 'sister' organizations. And both do exactly the same things...they spy on their own government officials and everyone else. HELLO!!!

Once again.....say it with me peeps....Our Government does what we think only other Governments So, this happening is not new or news.....what it is is that they got caught and called on it for once.

I have no liking for Senator War Contracts Profiteer Feinstein. But on this, I finally agree with her for once.


Chris C (152)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:26 am
I'm also not a huge fan of Diane Feinstein but I applaud her for her COURAGE in doing the right thing...for her PUBLIC exposure of the CSI's past and current atrocities!
I've always believed Bush and Cheney are guilty of war crimes and should be in jail.

Chris C (152)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:27 am
PS - Cheney should NEVER be allowed on TV to discuss current situations...he should be rotting in JAIL!

Winn A (179)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:32 am
Bush and Cheney are guilty of war crimes to be sure but they will never be prosecuted. That said, vote all Republicans and tea baggers out of office in EVERY State at EVERY opportunity.

Deb E (63)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 12:03 pm
This was all on Cheney. I would be willing to bet that it was him who told them to destroy the tapes.

Birgit W (160)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 12:32 pm

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 1:37 pm
Feinstein having a moment of conscience?

Ken O (55)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 2:23 pm
Is there nothing in the Patriot act we can use to incarcerate ALL of the republicans in congress for their unified and concerted obstruction of justice throughout the Obama administration as an act of sabotage?

Patsy Olive (0)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 2:25 pm
noted & tweeted.

JL A (281)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 3:06 pm
When Di Fi ran for governor in CA, her biggest perceived weakness by progressives and other Democrats was her tough on crime positions indistinguishable from her GOP opponents. She is more savvy about law enforcement type stuff than most in Congress and thus a strong voice to get changes on this one, which apparently Lindsey Graham agrees with her on.

Thus we now have good reason to expect the long delayed process to address the issue of torture will actually begin.

Sheila D (28)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 9:13 pm
Love Rachel Maddow. Good to know Senator Diane Feinstein is finally seeing what is actually going on. Thanks for the post, TomCat.

Edith B (146)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 9:45 pm
NY Times: I am glad Sen. Feinstein is finally speaking up. Would she have if the CIA had not hacked Senate computers? I doubt it. Many of us were protesting the brutality of the interrogations by the CIA under Bush, and also Obama. We were ignored.

Good for Rachel. She doesn't care who she angers. The CIA has operated with impunity for too long. They are a disgrace to our country.

Katie & Bill D (107)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:04 pm
Rachel just tells it like it really is!!
Makes her one of the Best, love her show!
We have another piece of History ready to happen!
We all knew this happened the torture, but didn't know to what extent!
But they Knew and did this???
Thank You TomCat

Lynn S (235)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:24 pm
"… Mr. Obama’s decision when he took office to conduct no investigation of them. We can only hope he knows that when he has lost Dianne Feinstein, he has no choice but to act in favor of disclosure and accountability."

I hope that disclosure and the seeking of accountability will include accountability from Baby Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz etc who ordered torture and the like. And that accountability must include prosecution and prison time.

I also hope that the CIA is held accountable for their actions to obstruct the actions of their oversight body. They are definitely a rogue agency that needs to be reined in.

Rosa Caldwell (384)
Friday March 14, 2014, 2:12 am
this positively needs to be done. thanks for sharing.

Rosa Caldwell (384)
Friday March 14, 2014, 2:17 am
You play, you pay

Scott haakon (4)
Friday March 14, 2014, 7:16 am
ROFL. Are people really this stupid? Of course the agency has intel on the senators. Many have skeletons in their closets that are useful to exploit. Grow-up to the real world where it is win or lose. CIA is not as operative as the OSS was. No nation will survive with out a assertive intel organization.

Lloyd H (46)
Friday March 14, 2014, 8:14 am
"Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it." So just how the hell are we to learn from the past when far to many on both sides of the isle from the top to the bottom are hell bent on turning their backs on this particular history and thus refuse to learn at all. I guess that the biggest, perhaps only, reason would be that it forever turns the American High Horse of Moral/Ethical superiority in to a Hobby Horse with a broken stick. Telling the truth about this moral cesspool will forever make the US a stone thrower in a crystal cathedral and it should.
I find it ironically funny to no end that this blows up with Russia in Crimea, which for the life of me I can find absolutely no difference in America's meddling in South America and else where but the one that comes to mind most vividly is US Marines. 1st Brigade, the entire 82nd Airborne Division in the Dominican Republic from April, 1965 to Sept, 1966 sent by LBJ. Ostensibly at the time it was based on the Cold War Domino Theory and the Catholic Churches fear of a Secular government, over the following tears it became obvious that the Domino in Domino Theory had far more to do with Domino as in the Mega Sugar company along with all of the other sugar companies that simply did not want their very lucrative holdings Nationalized by the new government.
But old history aside there has got to be one hell of a rotten stench to get past the Giant Clothespin that has become such a signature part of Feinstein's nose in dealing with the CIA et alia.

donald Baumgartner (6)
Friday March 14, 2014, 2:37 pm
Love R. Maddow!!!!

Jim P (3257)
Friday March 14, 2014, 9:38 pm
Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. is the Senate Intelligence Committee Chair.
Yes, Diane is in bed with "America’s rogue agencies (CIA, FBI, NSA) than any Democrat should." It is one of her jobs. lol.

This recent issue stems from the investigation into allegations of CIA abuse in a Bush-era detention and interrogation program.

This case has been referred to the Justice Department.

Additional note:
Both Bush & Cheney are wanted in several countries around the world for war crimes.

ty, TC.

TomCat S (126)
Friday March 14, 2014, 11:55 pm
Thanks all. Time will tell.

Gary L (138)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 8:28 am
one must understand what the CIA really is. It is the new SS of America most republinazi's admired Hitler and want very much to mimic the type of government he headed so we have a bunch of war criminals heading an agency of our country not really surprising
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