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TomCat S (125)
Monday March 7, 2016, 12:47 pm
o be honest, although it was an excellent debate, I was so tired that I fell asleep midway. but I caught the rest this morning. If you missed, I have both the complete video and the transcript. (Thanks Nameless). In my opinion, Bernie was the clear winner, but I realize that my opinion is based on my depth of knowledge, and recognize that people, who are depending on the media for their context are likely to come away with a distorted view.
 

JL A (281)
Monday March 7, 2016, 12:50 pm
One news source had college debate coaches critique and provide winner information and both of them said Bernie won==especially the latter half and their critiques indicated he had a better handle on the institutional racism issue. They also noted her multiple violations of time and how often Anderson's follow-up question was because she had not answered the actual question posed.
 

David C (75)
Monday March 7, 2016, 12:56 pm
I do agree that it was Bernie's best debate yet, but the overall biggest point that needs repeating is that no matter how little you like Hillary she is still well better than any in the Greedy Old Prat party
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Monday March 7, 2016, 1:10 pm
My email from Team Bernie claimed vistory in Maine and in the debate at about the same time.

H/T to SoINeedAName for bringing up the "total votes" issue. Hillary has said she has gotten more total votes than Trump, or than anyone else running. The National Memo confirms that: over 4.1 million for Clinton to under 3.6 million for Trump.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/hillary-clinton-ive-gotten-more-votes-than-anybody-else-running-on-either-side/

They end their article by saying "But if analysts are examining the relative strengths and weaknesses of candidates, why not begin by adding up their actual vote totals?" Well, because it is comparing apples and oranges. Republican caucuses and primaries are drawing record-breaking numbers of Republican voters in every state. Our side, not so much. But those primaries and caucuses have also shown voters splitting their votes among up to thirteen candidates. This may be due to Republicans seeing huge differences among their candidates (although I don't, or at least not their platforms) while Democrats are not seeing huge differences between Bernie and hillary (although I do) and deciding they will vote for whoever gets the nomination.

But for years we have been saying our problem is that Democrats don't turn out in midterm elections, only for Presidential elections. Well, it's a Presidential election. Where is our turnout? I can't be the only person who is terrified by this. I do not have a lot of money to give, but I think what little I do have needs to go the The Progressive Turnout Project and/or other GOTV efforts rather than candidates.
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday March 7, 2016, 1:59 pm
I wasn't at all bored ~ watched the entire debate and thought Bernie won hands downs. Hilary got too angry and aggressive.
 

Chris C (152)
Monday March 7, 2016, 2:22 pm
I attended the Tuesday caucus in Omaha, NE. NE started caucusing in 2008. I've been to all 3 caucuses so far. The first one (2008) was expecting 1000 total...they got 1000+ at every location. I'm having serous problems with my bum back (knees and hips) They are getting better...this yr I was very close to the HSchool in my district. It looked pretty even - bleachers on both sides full but I figured Bernie would win and he did. I like Bernie but love Hillary. I will happily vote for whomever is our candidate. )
 

Walter F (128)
Monday March 7, 2016, 2:30 pm
Good news let's hope he can keep up the momentum He still has a long way to go.
 

JL A (281)
Monday March 7, 2016, 2:34 pm
Saw a Michigan poll this morning that showed that the Clinton lead over Bernie had dropped from 20 points last week to 5 points now after the debate.
 

Sheila D (194)
Monday March 7, 2016, 3:21 pm
Bernie keeps winning, but Clinton gets the delegates, and the press won't concentrate on Bernie. The fix is in...
 

Beryl L (78)
Monday March 7, 2016, 3:31 pm
Thank you, Tom Cat. I really enjoy reading your blog.
Take care
Love to you and a boatload of green stars
 

Vivian B (169)
Monday March 7, 2016, 6:40 pm
Oh, GEEZ!!! Can't we all just get along?
 

Rose Becke (141)
Monday March 7, 2016, 8:04 pm
Go Bernie
 

Edith B (146)
Monday March 7, 2016, 9:24 pm
The media try to decide the winners in all our elections. They have declared that Hillary will get the nomination so often that amajority believe that. They have given Trump hours of free publicity and helped make him the front runner for the GOP. It is all about ratings!
 

Dt Nc (0)
Monday March 7, 2016, 9:32 pm
danke
 

Kay M (46)
Monday March 7, 2016, 10:11 pm
GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE- which i read and noted- i watched the debate and thought BERNIE WON HANDS DOWN- it is totally unfair that the national democratic spokesperson has these super delegates pledged to hillary -that should be illegal- we need an honest count of delegates won at primary and not in some back room- as far as the republican party and the media it is wrong for them to give free coverage to trump - they should have to give equal time to all candidates- period- GOD HELP US IF TRUMP WINS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION THEN GOES ON TO WIN THE OFFICE - THAT WILL BE THE END OF AMERICA- WE WILL GO UNDER REAL FAST - THERE WILL BE NO 2 PARTY SYSTEM -ONLY 2 CLASS SYSTEM-HIM AS MASTER AND US AS SLAVES -WE HIS BROWN SHIRT NAZI PARTY AND WHITE SHEET KKK GROUP BEING HIS ENFORCERS ---BEATING UP EVERY ONE - PUTTING PEOPLE TRUMP DOES NOT LIKE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS OR DEPORTING THEM--HE WILL START WORLD WAR 3 AND BLOW HALF THE WORLD AWAY- sincerely KAY M.
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 12:30 am
I did not watch the entire debate (all but 20 minutes) but most definitely I felt Bernie was superior. It seemed that Clinton was frequently saying "Bernie did this" or "Bernie didn't do that". She frequently ran over and a number of times didn't answer the question, preferring her own campaign speech instead. Clinton seemed to be playing her "Grandma" card particularly around the gun issue, but it did not seem genuine.
 

Peggy B (43)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 2:44 am
I am an American living in the UK. I will be living in the US for the vote in November & I hope it's Bernie. You know the search algorithims that spew ads your way that are so annoying? If you search a mattress, you'll get mattress ads for months. Well yesterday I am thankful for them. Out of the blue one popped up on facebook. It was Democrats Abroad. I clicked on and was able to sign up for the organization which allowed me to cast my ballot either by mail, fax, email or go into one of their voting places. The later is 200 miles away so I cast mine by email this morning which is the deadline for email submissions. 13th for mailing. I VOTED FOR BERNIE SANDERS FOR THE OHIO PRIMARY. It's made my day.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 3:35 am
On my New Hampshire stations and in my political e-mails, including Bernie's---all say he won Maine and the debate. He' picked-up in Michigan. Hope and pray---and send strong energizing, magical thoughts to Bernie. Thanks TC. Here's some magic for you.
 

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 5:05 am
I thought Hillary sounded very shrill and screechy. No doubt that Bernie won this debate. Unfortunately, the powers that be seem to have already decided who the candidate will be - but then again 'tain't over til it's over. Keep fighting for Bernie, everyone....our lives may depend on it.
 

Gene J (288)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 5:31 am
Didn't watch the debate and have read only a bit about it. One thing I read was that Bernie finally fought back against Hillary's claims that he is a one issue candidate because of his tendency to bring every issue back to his main point which is rebuilding the middle class. They also said that he comes across as if not angry, then a grumpy old man. Not the best image. And, I'd say the poor, the lowest "class" needs as much and more help than the middle class does because so much of the middle class has fallen to that level.

Still, the contrast between the two Democrats and Drumpf is glaringly obvious - only bigots and racists will be voting for Drumpf if he is the nominee. Progressives live for and with hope. The difference between the two messages is as stark as it has ever been in a Presidential election I think. And I believe Americans will show we are not Nazi wannabe's come November. The caucus system is antiquated and silly - it keeps the power in the hands of the party, at least in this state, and excludes more people than it brings out. I don't think Democratic numbers this year so far are at all indicative of the November turnout. We already know we will support our nominee. Republicans are eating each other alive and their various minority factions so rabid that they are turning out in numbers to try to get "their" particular insanity into the platform and the general election. They are the party out of the White House and are scared to death they are going to lose it again. That's what is driving their numbers - though those numbers are not nearly enough to win in November. Still, complacency costs the Democrats in off year elections particularly and they are SO important that the party has to make a concerted get out the vote effort with EVERY biennial election, not just Presidential elections. They have to make their point that the job is NOT done by winning the White House, but also by winning and keeping the Houses of Congress. That's on all of us to help make happen.
 

P A (117)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 6:32 am
Thanks for this TC, but also – sorry – don't have the necessary intestinal fortitude to watch any of the debates this time round, I'm too exhausted and ill – but am praying for Bernie as Hillary is in the pockets of the big corporations. Thanks for the analysis Nameless, that was most helpful.
 

Winn Adams (179)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 6:37 am
Thanks TC - Didn't watch it.
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 6:49 am
Go, Bernie!
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 8:32 am
Personally I believe that Bernie is the way forward, but that may be just because his ideas makes sense to a European Democratic Socialist. But its very hard to predict if Bernie as a president would really work. America is completely enthralled with the primaries right now, for many Europeans a spectacle that has little to do with the issues the country is facing and more to do with media ratings and entertainment, especially now Drumpf is running the this show. And it's probably going to be worse after the primaries, with a country so focused on electing a president that it seems to forget he may be running the show but not running the country on his own. Electing a president who is completely divorced from Congress, who has no backing by its majority, can only rule as a king/queen by decree, and there's only so much he or she can do as we have learned from the Obama era. If voters only concern themselves with the presidency, the next elected head of state is relatively powerless if the voters do not back him/her up with a strong Congress willing to work with him/her. If Congress isn't substantially altered, Bernie will have both the Republicans and the Democratic establishment against him because he is a Socialist, Hillary will have the Republicans against her because she's a woman, a Democrat and they still hold Benghazi against her, Drumpf will have Democrats and the Republican establishment against him and Cruz will have Democrats and any sane, non religious-extremists against him.

I hope the Democratic candidates realize very soon that there is much more at stake than who wins the election and start working on a good foundation and backing of their politics in Congress too.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 9:15 am
If Bernie is the Democratic Candidate, he will sweep in a bunch of Dem Congresspersons along with him. The Dems need only a handful of changes from Rethug to Dem, to take back control of the Senate!
And a Dem Senate - and House! - WOULD help Bernie a lot!
[Hillary CANNOT make such a popular sweep of Congress for the Dems. VOTERS HATE HILLARY.]
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The "lower turnouts" in many instances, ARE OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATORY RETHUGLICAN-INSTITUTED VOTER I.D. LAWS.
These laws DO NOT AFFECT RETHUGLICANS much, or at all.
They were DELIBERATELY DESIGNED TO EXCLUDE POTENTIAL DEM VOTERS. And they're WORKING just exactly as intended!
Excluding Potential Dem Voters such as:
College Students - because of changes of addresses - Women - because Divorced and Married Women change their names - Young People - because less likely to have acceptable ID - Older People - because often born in circumstances where they don't have a Birth Certificate - Poor People - again, possibly homeless or with change of address or lost or stolen ID - Working People - because unable to take time off from jobs to get ID, or unable to afford it - and, finally, Black People - again, they might not have Birth Certificates, "proper" ID, or they are stricken from the Voter Rolls JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR NAMES - there are certain "Black Names" that are recognizable to people who make a study of such things!!!

THIS IS WHY - AS WAS DELIBERATELY DESIGNED - there are SIGNIFICANTLY FEWER Dem Voters in both the Primaries, IN SOUTHERN AND MID-WESTERN STATES, than there were in the previous Election Year - and it will be so too, in the Elections.
Southern Dem Voters, and ESPECIALLY BLACK VOTERS, will have to run a GAUNTLET to Vote at all - which IN ITSELF would be discouraging to some!
Those Dem Voters that DO make it thru the Voter ID barriers, WILL tend to be the MORE CONSERVATIVE ones, Middle Class, Middle Aged and with all the proper well-organized ID to present on demand - and so, reflect that in their Conservative Votes for Hillary, in the Primaries.

BERNIE VOTERS ARE STILL THE VAST MAJORITY - VAST! - and they're not all Dems! -
and you can bet they are GETTING their needed proper IDs, they're UP ON THAT....!
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 9:52 am
BMT touched the one major issue plus the main reason for it : low turnout among dems.
Here's a totally unofficial "poll" about the debate : (speaks for me as well!)

Two Democratic presidential candidates took to the stage for a debate Sunday night at the University of Michigan. Who do you think won?

Hillary Clinton 13 %
Bernie Sanders 87 %
;-) :) ( http://time.com/4249119/democratic-debate-seventh-flint-michigan-cnn-poll-survey/)
Thx TC!
 

TomCat S (125)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 11:58 am
Thanks all, Hugs!! Stars all around!!
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 12:08 pm
Bernie won and Her Majesty cannot get away from the FACT that she is BOUGHT lock, stock and barrel. Period. End of story. She pandered to everyone there and lied many times.
 

Shirley S (187)
Tuesday March 8, 2016, 10:16 pm
Love the faith in Bernie. He is a righteous man & deserves praise.
 

Robert B (55)
Wednesday March 9, 2016, 5:40 am
Bernie won the Primary in Michigan!!!! Go BERNIE! We voted early in NC and of course voted Bernie!
 

TomCat S (125)
Wednesday March 9, 2016, 11:24 am
Amen to all 3.
 
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