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TomCat
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TomCat S (125)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 3:00 pm
It ought to be over. Now that Loretta Lynch has announced that, based the FBI’s the final findings, and their own investigation, DOJ will bring no charges against Hillary Clinton. Nevertheless, the scandal will live on in the Republican echo chamber until Chelsea’s grandchildren have been blamed for it too. That’s expected. What is sad is what we shouldn’t expect.
 

Pat B (356)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 3:10 pm
Well said, Tom. I agree with your assessment about this decision by AG Lynch. Most people will accept this, but
the Repugs will stoke this till they're red in the face over and over. Kind of like what they did with Benghazi. Drumpf has plenty of skeletons in his closet too, that should be investigated.
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 3:16 pm
"Regressive left sites" - boy, isn't that the truth. Way too many Dems are so afraid they are being played for suckers by the Clintons that they refuse to realize, or even consider, that, while they are indeed being played for suckers, it is not by the CLintons, it is by Justice Watch, Citizens United, and the other right wing "liberal media" who have has 24 years to pound the message that the Clintons are not to be trusted. (And, of course, the common thread with the right wing is fear. The right wing is really, really good at that.
 

Chris C (152)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 3:21 pm
HRC will be our next president and Bernie Sanders will play a big part in our vastly improved govt.
 

David C (75)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 3:35 pm
I wish pols were more concerned with the results of the UK Chilcot report that clearly confirms that faulty US intelligence (intentional or not are both issues) was given to the UK.....maybe an investigation into the Bush/Cheney administration should happen???
 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 3:45 pm
Great article ! Good reading here.
Thank you TomCat
 

JL A (281)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 5:22 pm
True, the investigation found felonies that statute deems means you should never hold elected office, but in court a challenge to get a conviction on without proven intent so convention has become to never prosecute; thus it merely proved she is not to be trusted in any position with access to confidential information, like POTUS (NYT said it very well). If this is the stature of a person people believe should be supported, the country is doomed to endless war and reduced domestic expenditures for the rest of our lifetimes.
 

JL A (281)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 5:38 pm
" When the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said on Tuesday that his investigators had no “direct evidence” that Hillary Clinton’s email account had been “successfully hacked,” both private experts and federal investigators immediately understood his meaning: It very likely had been breached, but the intruders were far too skilled to leave evidence of their work. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hillary-clintons-email-was-probably-hacked-experts-say.html

So apparently she skates because she had poor security on her server that couldn't confirm hacking…and no one knows how much our enemies learned.

The NYT also did a nice article for the case for perjury against Clinton (lies about the emails) for anyone not filtering out facts like the GOP and, new research shows, neocons that are Democrats like Clinton.
 

pam w (139)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 6:09 pm
Tom....it'll NEVER be over! Because it didn't go ''their way."
 

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 6:14 pm
This made the news in Oz
 

Animae C (509)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 6:55 pm
i agree with JL A
 

JL A (281)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 7:25 pm
Thanks AniMae--the latest research shows all neocons, even when they identify as Democrats, ignore facts just like the GOP--the theory is their brains are being trained to operate that way using the emotional centers more than the parts of the brain used analytically.
 

Edith B (146)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 8:46 pm
That was good news, but I just read that the Department of Justice will do its own investigation. We knew the Republicans would not let this go, they have never let go of the Benghazi investigations even though they have never found anything to prosecute her. The media is playing the Republican game, too, showing the most unflattering pictures of Clinton they can find and emphasizing all the issues the Republicans have raised.
 

Jolene Pope (7)
Thursday July 7, 2016, 11:54 pm
Please remember the Republicans started this whole investigation with her as the target to win a Presidential election when 7 other investigations at the tax payers expense had already shown that while Benghazzi was unfortunate Hillary Clinton did not do anything wrong. .It is .illegal to use our tax dollars under the cover of an investigation to win an election. They got lucky with the email scandal as it wasn't what they were intending to find. While they may not be able to prove criminal intent I don't see why the FBI is not investigating the Republicans. While it may also be a waste of tax payer dollars maybe it will teach the Republicans a lesson if it came back to bite them. I think Hillary Clinton made this bad decision to use personal email because she was trying to avoid what she landed herself in anyway. being the target of a Republican Witch hunt. Also from statements Comey made later I think to the Congressional committee it did not sound as bad as he made it sound in his announcement. It seems to me their should be a security person advising her and rules that make sure something like this does not happen. Anway I believe she has learned a valuable lesson and will not make those mistakes again. If you check Hillarys record on Politifact she is more honest then Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, President Obama or most of the news media reporting on her. I agree it is all the years of republicans hammering away at her that gives people the perception she cannot be trusted. which is exactly what they want.
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday July 8, 2016, 1:44 am
Republicans know only one thing — how to flog a dead horse. Republicans went after Clinton for Benghazi through what, 7 hearings, the most recent one being 2 years in length and $7 million, and undoubtedly will continue to bring it up. Republicans don't like no stinkin' facts. Now there is the e-mail scandal that the FBI and DOJ have investigated and not brought any criminal charges against Clinton. This is definitely going to take on a life of its own as the 2016 campaign continues through to November. Again, Republicans don't like no stinkin' facts. If Republicans dislike their own presumptive nominee so much, why don't they go after him for Trump University or soliciting foreign nationals for campaign donations, or inciting violence or . . . They won't do that. They are trying to bring down Clinton so their own presumptive nominee won't look so bad.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Friday July 8, 2016, 2:11 am
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Louise D (44)
Friday July 8, 2016, 3:43 am
Of course there are some who want Hilary Clinton cast off the Tarpeian rock in a sack over Servergate which is for all appearances a storm in a tea cup - not as if Putin is wanting to know that Hilary had to get 2 quarts of milk and some ding dongs when she came home. The whole scandal much like Benghazi comes from the fevered imginations the extra-ordinaryily strong handed, tin foiled hat wearers who found that they were barred from Sexhub and Porncentral sites for their general weirdness. Face it when it comes to what the Republicans have been digging out of the swamp lately the Democrats could put Vlad the Impaler on a ticket and do better: though I suspect that quite a few Republicans would get his point: rammed up their colon and through their mouth which some may actually enjoy as his record on crime and cleaning corruption was impecible.
 

Edwin M (346)
Friday July 8, 2016, 3:58 am
At first I thought the sound I was hearing was fireworks, then I realized it was republican heads exploding.
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Friday July 8, 2016, 4:48 am
It's not over till it's over and for Republican's that'll be when hell freezes over. They've kept Benghazi going for years on end, against Obama and then Clinton, and they're going to keep the e-mail scandal going until November, and if Hillary Clinton becomes president, long after that. Because that's what Republicans do; in fact it's the only thing they do in Congress: waste taxpayers money by trying to revoke Obamacare about 60 times, start a seventh (or was it eight, I forgot) Benghazi investigation and will surely start a second…and third…and…investigation into these e-mails if Drumpf doesn't get to sit behind the desk of the Oval Office. Come to think of it, vindictive Drumpf will continue this from behind that desk too.

It saddens me to see fractions on the left are joining forces with Republicans now, in spite of the positive message Bernie is putting out there to them, only to make a vindictive Drumpf scenario more likely.
 

JL A (281)
Friday July 8, 2016, 6:42 am
Lona, for the past almost 8 years the major victories against corporate profiteering have been from the far right joining the left to defeat unjustifiable neocon foreign policy initiatives. Clinton is an extreme form of neocon so it makes perfect sense the right and the left both see the dangers in her choices and election that party loyalists that do not understand the Clintons have never aligned with DEM values and priorities, largely due to not learning from history and forgiving them their lies, refuse to see. Such persons are willing to sacrifice lives all over the world for naught in lieu of learning.
 

steve F (23)
Friday July 8, 2016, 7:02 am
Let's not forget that Colin Powell also used a private email server. where is the righteous right wing's voice on that?
 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Friday July 8, 2016, 7:28 am
Very Interesting Article thank you all
Thank you tomCat
 

Terrie W (798)
Friday July 8, 2016, 7:29 am
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn.......next non-scandal......
 

Peggy B (43)
Friday July 8, 2016, 9:27 am
My reasons for not voting for Clinton has nothing to do with her emails. She takes big money and owes favors. She flip flops on her views so having her as president will not really bring any change
 

Winn Adams (179)
Friday July 8, 2016, 9:42 am
Let's take back the house and senate and vote blue in all elections in November.
 

JL A (281)
Friday July 8, 2016, 10:10 am
Vote for progressives who are blue so there are enough to stop Clinton's proposals that are really favors to big money and to put teeth in the laws to regulate big money and corporations--not blue neocons and DINOs.
 

Jolene Pope (7)
Friday July 8, 2016, 10:32 am
Steve F good point, but where is the investigation on that and what would they find if they did investigate? I don't wish an investigation on Colon Powell, just trying to make a point. The dept. of state has been lax on security and handling of classified information before Clinton was Secretary of state I am not trying to excuse what happened just saying she made a big mistake. I'm sure she won't do it again. There was no criminal intent. Too many of us are not concerned enough about the motive of Republican's here and what they were trying to do. They had criminal intent they knowingly broke laws and deceived us intentionally that you can be prosecuted for if you can prove their intentions. Also the United states tends to classify lots of information that does not need to be classified. If you harass someone with investigations for over two decades eventually your going to get some traction with it. What the Clintons have faced is harassment and the Republicans have little to show for it except the false belief that they are so crooked because where there is smoke there is fire right. The Republicans are creating the smoke to try to manipulate who is in power. I would rather have Hillary Clinton as President then any Republican who was running. Their is a shadow government of neocons these people have to deal with and no one knows who they are for sure so they never get the blame. The Republicans support those neocons more then Democratic politicians. We shall see if Donald Trump is any different if he gets elected the only good thing about his candidacy is that it shows the usual behind the scenes Republican actors are losing their grip on power. I hope that a Donald Trump presidency does not happen. If we progressives don't pull together and unite behind Hillary Clinton we will certainly find out what a Donald Trump Presidency will mean. I can tell you right now it will mean repeal of the affordable care act with nothing to replace it. It will mean more loss of freedom because you see every time he speaks he does not respect the right of people to protest peacefully. He thinks they should be stopped. More of what has transpired over the last couple of days will happen because he seems to embolden hate groups he divides us and does not bring us together and because they think he is racist and supports their beliefs whether he does or not his remarks so far have given this type of person the idea that he does. At least the remarks he made today are on the right track. Maybe he is getting the message. What we are doing here at Care2 and other groups like it is what will eventually stop the shadow Government. If you want to put real power in the hands of the people sign my petition at the URL http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/943/739/855/. The only thing is that with the attitudes of everyone falling in line with Republicans demanding Hillary be prosecuted or the leave vote in the UK I can see where it has its drawbacks and where people can use it to push an agenda that may not empower us. My petition is about having referendum votes in national elections when Congress does not act on urgent issues or ignores the will of the people. When Congress is broken and is more concerned with stopping our choices and not protecting us from gun violence something needs to be done now. The manufacturing jobs and service jobs we lost will not come back because Donald Trump is President, nor will they keep going to other countries. The next big job loss will be because of robotics. Even those other countries that got our jobs will lose those jobs. We have to try to make sure that the US is competitive in Robotics and Green Energy Technology. Cashiers, Fast food workers, Customer service representatives, manufacturing jobs will all take a big hit all over the world not just in the US. Our division in the democratic party will be our downfall. Everything we gained in the last 8 years will be at stake and what we hope to accomplish in the future.
 

End CrueltyDeb Williams-Shepard (154)
Friday July 8, 2016, 11:24 am
This decision is absolutely despicable! ... The Clintons are being treated like they are WAY ABOVE the laws of the U.S.A! ... And also ... On what happened in Dallas, Texas in less than 24 hours ago - the police shootings .... It has NOTHING to do with racism, gun control or Conservatives ... I point the blame on liberal politics, and especially upon Barrack Hussein Obama who TOTALLY DISRESPECTS our military and police officers all across the U.S.A. He personally incites and gives reign to lawless behavior. He wants anarchy here in order to turn this country into a Socialist Muslim nation!
 

Wayne W (12)
Friday July 8, 2016, 11:38 am
Hillary Clinton Isn’t Getting Indicted. Here’s Why.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/05/3795414/hillary-clinton-isnt-getting-indicted-heres/

When questioned about this, Colin Powell said he had deleted all of his emails and, with just the right amount of contempt in his voice for the question, helpfully suggested that the State Department might have them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_fk70Vlo7U

 

JL A (281)
Friday July 8, 2016, 12:01 pm
On foreign policy, it has been 8 years continuing and enhancing the Bush neocon policies so GOP foreign policy folks are flocking to Clinton to continue the horrid Bush policies all progressives still hate even when done by a DEM...
 

TomCat S (125)
Friday July 8, 2016, 4:22 pm
It gets bad when the Rump Dump Trump Supporters and the regressives echo each other. In order for what she did to be a crime, the law requires mens rea,
Thanks all!! Hugs!! Stars!!
 

Mandi T (367)
Friday July 8, 2016, 4:48 pm
Noted Tks TC
 

Jelica R (144)
Friday July 8, 2016, 6:44 pm
OK. here is a question no one has raised:
WHAT did HRC so desperately wanted to hide that she installed a server at her home? She is, as she brags all the time, so experienced that she must have been aware that, by hiding her official correspondence, at least 2 Federal Acts must have been violated.

Also, go back and read what she said when Snowden exposed Big Brother peeking into all we do online.

Gee, John Kiriaku simply gave contact information of an ex-CIA officer, who never worked undercover, to a reporter, and spent 2 years in prison for it.

Wonder why Chelsea Manning tried to commit suicide 2 days ago. Getting 35 yrs for a leaked Collateral Damage video compared with walking away from 4 years of exposing State Department correspondence to any Romanian taxi-driver with too much time to spare and some basic computer skills...

Is this justice? Are those exquisite American values HRC is determined to shove down our throats?

'Nuff said.

 

JL A (281)
Friday July 8, 2016, 10:08 pm
Is the Real Scandal the Clinton Foundation?

Michael Hudson says the media has failed to look beyond the emails and into potential conflicts of interest during Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=16700
 

JL A (281)
Friday July 8, 2016, 10:11 pm
Remember, it was those emails that started the FBI investigation involving Terry McAuliffe...
 

Jolene Pope (7)
Saturday July 9, 2016, 12:12 am
@ Jeliuca "What did HRC so Desperately want to hide she installed a server at her home?"
I believe she just wanted to do her job free of scandal and accusations and investigations by the Republicans figuring they would constantly be snooping looking for something to start an investigation over instead she landed in it anyway.
 

Jelica R (144)
Saturday July 9, 2016, 10:56 am
Nah, all her correspondence as Secretary of State is public record -- remember who was her employer? You, citizens of the USA. You paid her to do a job for you and you have the right to know what did she do in office. Of course, some State intelligence agencies will have to authorise what can be open now, or set a number of years before it can be available to public. Even more, she kept those emails after finishing her tenure, which is against the Freedom of Information Act. Don't believe me? Try to steal and burn some public registry and see how far will you walk free.

As for keeping Assange out, oh my. Have you seen anything hacked from the President, or any other high ranking official? I didn't, so I assume that the White House servers were and still are reasonably safe.

Assange and Snowden have not published anything before 2009 when HRC decided to privatise official documents by setting her own server. The Collateral Damage video went public in June 2010, and Snowden came out in 2012, I believe. So, this matter regarding her fear of hackers is settled.

In March 2013 the NYT run a story of some Romanian guy who hacked HRC home server, but that didn't get much of a publicity back then. This man is in US custody since March this year. He will be charged and tried, probably for espionage. HRC won't be charged for her gross negligence. This is the City-on-the-Hill justice.

I think that JL A. is right. From leaked emails it is evident that HRC run a mixture of public-private enterprise and wanted to keep the White House in the dark about her activities and real motives for supporting the Honduras coup d'état, the devastation of Libya, her little business with Saudis, irresponsible adventure in Syria... all discussed in detail in emails. BTW, there is a real HRC's misdeed behind the Benghazi affair, but GOP drove this case nowhere because they pursued their illusions instead of asking the right question. Now, no one who want to be perceived as sane won't dare to touch it with a ten feet pole.

There's much more I can say about this all but I feel that I'm speaking to myself, so I'll let you cheer for Hillary. If only you would keep her negligence and callousness limited to the USA, I will much appreciate it. Unfortunately, your first-woman-president will keep ravaging the world until the first nuclear missiles start flying
 

TomCat S (125)
Saturday July 9, 2016, 1:27 pm
Having an email server in the home of the Secretary of State goes back several administrations, so for her to follow suit is not evidence that she was trying to hide something. Government IT tends to be outdated, incompatible with many common formats and mud slow. The Reason you can't compare Clinton with Snowden and Manning is that Snowden and Manning demonstrated mens rea. They intended to break the law. I can't prove Hillary didn't, but thewree3 is no proof that she did.
 

Animae C (509)
Saturday July 9, 2016, 6:19 pm
She's irresponsible.
 

TomCat S (125)
Sunday July 10, 2016, 2:30 pm
I agree, Animae. It was very irresponsible.
 
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