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19 Pages of Pucky


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TomCat S (125)
Monday September 26, 2016, 12:34 pm
To be clear, the term "pucky" is best understood in its most common contexts: bull pucky and horse pucky. In a political context, it can be understood as lies. I would consider a politician dishonest, if they has 19 prominent examples of proven pucky. Never in my most obscene nightmares, fleeing Republican ghouls, have I ever imagined a candidate with 19 pages of pucky!
 

. (0)
Monday September 26, 2016, 12:40 pm
both are very fitting of dumpster. they are even having different size podiums according to their heights. that means dumpster will tower over Hillary. I wonder how much he paid for that
 

Roger G (148)
Monday September 26, 2016, 12:40 pm
noted, thanks
 

David C (75)
Monday September 26, 2016, 12:49 pm
Hillary isn't perfect, but why do so many still feel she is evil???? and faux noise propaganda doesn't count as an argument
 

pam w (139)
Monday September 26, 2016, 12:53 pm
David...the campaign against Hillary has gone on for years and proves beyond a doubt that, repeated often enough, a lie becomes ''truth."
 

. (0)
Monday September 26, 2016, 12:55 pm
live that nose can we swing from it
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Monday September 26, 2016, 1:06 pm
It wouldn't be hard to ensure every debate moderator HAS a list. USING the list is another story. Another advance take on the debate - http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/26/1574403/-MSNBC-is-a-case-study-in-how-concocted-media-expectations-are-gaming-the-debate
 

Pat B (356)
Monday September 26, 2016, 1:55 pm
I am sure that more pages will added. She's got the upper hand with this, and I am sure that she'll use it.

I can only imagine the odious spiel that will emit from his mouth tonight.
 

Vivian B (169)
Monday September 26, 2016, 3:05 pm
I don't know if I want to watch the debate! I KNOW who I'm going to VOTE for! I don't need any more convincing! Unless I want to watch Donnochio's nose grow!
Thanks for the heads up, TC!
 

Darren W (218)
Monday September 26, 2016, 3:27 pm
Article found and posted by Freya in her thread this evening/your afternoon.
"We No Longer Live in a Democracy": Henry Giroux on a United States at War With Itself

If you really think Hillary Clinton is going to be the answer to all the issues currently gripping America, I think you're living within your American Dream.

Trump is dangerous, but Clinton is no better. What and where does she stand on the issues of War, the Environment, Equality of the sexes, the Minimum Living Wage, Ethnic Minorities, Family Planning, Workers Rights, Fracking. Climate Change, obscene excessive banker bonuses (given she receives large funds from Wall Str,), Gun Control, Israel/the Middle East/Syria.
 

Walter F (128)
Monday September 26, 2016, 3:31 pm
Thanks Tom I love Donny's nose It's probably the longest part of his anotomy
 

Mitchell D (82)
Monday September 26, 2016, 4:58 pm
The moderatores will not fact check, they are realy there for the entertainment factor…in VERY dumbed down America!

There has not been a single debate in which Rumpthing has participated. There have been name calling contests, or, rather, episodes. There have been "Who Can Lie the Most" contests, but no one on the GOPig side has actually been capable of debating. Dr. Ben, Pignoccio, and more can not even spell the word!
David, support for Pam's point can be found in "Idiot America, How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free," by Charles P. Pierce.
 

Kathleen M (208)
Monday September 26, 2016, 6:14 pm
Noted. Thx TC. Won't watch it, much to my husband's disgust. Will light a candle for Hillary...
 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Monday September 26, 2016, 6:22 pm
Looks like always a LIAR!
Thank you TomCat
 

Glennis Whitney (393)
Monday September 26, 2016, 6:27 pm
Trump is dangerous and an Imbecile.. The debate is on TV here now Trump is being a imbecile and cutting Hillary off all the time , Thank you for caring and sharing Tom Cat..
 

Mitchell D (82)
Monday September 26, 2016, 6:33 pm
Well, Rumpthing is barfing along! Maybe he will really lose it, as he gets more , and more carried away.
I do wish Hillary had responded directly to his comment about lowering taxes like Reagan did, as that was one of the major problems, leading to a shifting of wealth way up the ladder.
I came across something I was thinking I might want to put here, and elsewhere, about disgust, and depravity, both of which Rumpness embodies:

Jonathan Haidt, Ph.D., is a social psychologist and professor of ethical leadership at New York University- I started examining elevation only after years of studying its opposite: disgust. It makes good evolutionary sense that human beings should have an emotion that makes us feel repulsion toward rotten food, excrement, dead bodies, and other physical objects that are full of danger­ous bacteria and parasites. It also makes sense that disgust should make us hyper­sensitive to contagion—that is, we feel disgust toward anything that touched something that we find disgusting.
But when my colleagues and I actually asked people in several countries to list the things they thought were disgusting, we repeatedly found that most people men­tioned social offenses, such as hypocrisy, racism, cruelty, and betrayal. How on earth did a food-based and very corporeal emotion become a social and moral emotion? The short version of our attempt at an answer is that while disgust may motivate people to distance themselves from physical threats, it is well-suited for dealing with social threats as well. When we find social actions disgusting, they indicate to us that the person who commit­ted them is in some way morally defective.

Human beings feel revolted by moral depravity, and this revulsion is akin to the revulsion they feel toward rotten food and cockroaches. In this way, dis­gust helps us form groups, reject devi­ants, and build a moral community.

From “The Science of Happiness” webinar, given by The Greater Good Science Center, at U.C. Berkeley.

He is morally defective.
 

Janis K (129)
Monday September 26, 2016, 7:16 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Edith B (146)
Monday September 26, 2016, 9:06 pm
I read the list and now my eyes are crossed!  I watched the debate, Hillary won, no argument.  She had facts, he had opinons. Holt did a fairly good job as moderator, I thought.  Trump looked nervous, and was rude as usual.
 

Dawnie W (250)
Monday September 26, 2016, 11:32 pm




Thank you TomCat for sharing this information. My husband watched the debate, I just listened to tidbits of it and that was enough. My eyes cloud over when I see such a bully who only knows how to denigrate, besmirch and disparage those he considers only worth dumping on. This kind of behaviour is just showing the world that this bloke is not highly intelligent like he wants people to think. Anyone who speaks like him is a buffoon of the first order. So lets hope he really didn't do too well in this debate. Personally I find all these debates, a waste of time because it is a competition on who can throw the most darts at their target and wound them beyond repair. Donald Trump only knows how to hurt people, he decides if they are worth paying for any jobs he employs workers for. How obscene is that? Why people sign up to work for him is a big conundrum to me.❤️





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Darren W (218)
Monday September 26, 2016, 11:42 pm
Doesn't matter who won within this debate. You have two candidates of dubious authenticity, lacking moral and ethical values. The two candidates who could give America a healthier future are Bernie Sanders and Dr. Jill Stein.

Voting for either Trump OR Clinton will return your country and the rest of the planet right back into the danger zone.
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Monday September 26, 2016, 11:45 pm
"… have I ever imagined a candidate with 19 pages of pucky!" — That's not pucky . . .  it's pure USDA grade A bullshit!
IMO, Drumpf is a national disgrace, not worthy of his citizenship,
 

Rose Becke (141)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 3:28 am
Spot on Glennis
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 5:57 am
I'm sure Drumpf will wave it away with that dismissive gesture he makes all the time and say that fact-checking is for losers. And the media will follow suit. Our news already mentioned that American media will decide who was the winner in the debate last night. And since left-leaning media are few and far between, it's not hard to predict what the outcome of that will be. It's what we have come to expect from America.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:11 am
"Hillary isn't perfect, but why do so many still feel she is evil????"

I don't use the word 'evil,' but I feel aversion fpr her because she's a gang-ho, enthusiastic supporter of Monsanto and GMOs; and because, as Sec of State, she supported the 'coup' in Honduras, using US power to back the right-wing coup leaders' organization of new elections, instead of using it to have the truly democratically-elected president, Manuel Zelaya reinstated, which is what democratic Latin American countries supported & expected. Since then, violence & murders in Honduras have surged... And then everyone wonders how is it that there are all these thousands of unaccompanied Honduran children sneaking into the US illegally & cries out for them to be sent back ! They are probably orphans & lost their parents in the unremitting violence that reigns thanks to the men whom Hillary supported!

Life became more difficult for all Hondurans, except the neo-liberal elite now in power, but it also became particularly more difficult for environmental justice activists, like the famed Berta Caceres, who was a Goldman Environmental Prize laureate, and who was assassinated under Hillary's protégés in March, 2016.

The commentor who "can't understand" why some people consider Hillary 'evil' -- Doesn't he/she keep up with news on C2? There were any number of posts at the time of Bera Caceres' murder, such as this DN! program, "Before Her Assassination, Berta Cáceres Singled Out Hillary Clinton for Backing Honduran Coup" @http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/11/before_her_assassination_berta_caceres_singled or "Honduran soldier says activist Berta Cáceres was killed by U.S.-backed coup regime" @http://www.salon.com/2016/06/23/honduran_soldier_says_activist_berta_caceres_was_killed_by_u_s_backed_coup_regime/ :

Excerpts from the latter: "Renowned indigenous activist Berta Cáceres was killed by Honduras’ U.S.-TRAINED military, according to a former soldier.

Cáceres was gunned down at her home in March. The killers are not known, but activists who worked with Cáceres have insisted she was killed by the Honduran COUP REGIME — which the U.S., under the leadership of President Obama and Sec. Hillary Clinton, helped legitimize. .../... "

""While the international community condemned the coup, the Obama administration — especially the Hillary Clinton-led State Department — defended the new right-wing military regime."

"As secretary of state, Clinton played a uniquely hands-on role in supporting the coup. In fact, before her death, Cáceres singled out Clinton for blame.

"Instead of pushing to restore the democratically elected president to power, Sec. Clinton pushed for elections immediately after the coup, in order to legitimize the military regime.

" “We warned that this would be very dangerous,” Cáceres said in 2014. “The elections took place under intense militarism, and enormous fraud.” "

"Honduras’ new government is violent, repressive and incredibly corrupt. Since the coup, hundreds of activists have been killed by the Honduran regime or private security forces, with almost complete impunity.

"From 2012 to 2014, Honduras was the murder capital of the world.

"This has not stopped U.S. aid from flowing, however. Since 2010, the U.S. has given approximately $200 million in police and military aid to Honduras. The regime also benefits from the U.S.’s $750 million Alliance for Prosperity fund."

"As a leader in the indigenous Lenca community, Cáceres helped organize resistance to multinational corporations and environmental destruction. In 2015, she won the prestigious Goldman Environmental Prize for her work.

"Before she was killed, The Guardian noted, Cáceres said she had received 33 death threats due to her leadership in the campaign against the Agua Zarca dam."

Hillary prefered the coup leaders because they are the same sort of corporate shills that she is.

I read The Intercept’s Sept 3rd piece announcing that "Hillary Clinton's campaign has been seeking the endorsement of former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger." Now, that's very telling, too, in terms of Hillary being 'evil' --- or being a hawk or supporting the traditional US practice of interference in the affairs of other countries! After all, Kissinger was one of the masterminds of Operation Condor. In case you don't know, Operation Condor was "a campaign of political repression and state terror involving intelligence operations and assassination of opponents, which started in 1968 and was officially implemented in 1975 by the right-wing dictatorships of the Southern Cone of South America," essentially those in Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia and Brazil. "The program was intended to eradicate communist or Soviet influence and ideas, and to suppress active or potential opposition movements against the participating governments."
"The United States government provided technical support and supplied military aid to the participants until at least 1978, and again after Republican Ronald Reagan became President in 1981."

"Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. Some estimates are that at least 60,000 deaths can be attributed to Condor,[8][9] and possibly more.[10] Victims included dissidents and leftists, union and peasant leaders, priests and nuns, students and teachers, intellectuals and suspected guerillas.[10]"

"Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State & national security adviser in the Nixon and Ford administrations, was closely involved (that's a euphemism!) diplomatically with the Southern Cone governments at the time and well aware of the Condor plan. According to the French newspaper L'Humanité, the first cooperation agreements were signed between the CIA and anti-Castro groups, and the right-wing death squad Triple A, set up in Argentina by Juan Perón and Isabel Martínez de Perón's "personal secretary" José López Rega, and Rodolfo Almirón (arrested in Spain in 2006).[86]

On 31 May 2001, French judge Roger Le Loire requested that a summons be served on Henry Kissinger while he was staying at the Hôtel Ritz in Paris. Le Loire wanted to question the statesman as a witness regarding alleged U.S. involvement in Operation Condor and for possible US knowledge concerning the "disappearances" of five French nationals in Chile during military rule. Kissinger left Paris that evening, and Loire's inquiries were directed to the U.S. State Department.[87]

In July 2001, the Chilean high court granted investigating judge Juan Guzmán the right to question Kissinger about the 1973 killing of American journalist Charles Horman. (His execution by the Chilean military after the coup was dramatized in the 1982 Costa-Gavras film, Missing.) The judge's questions were relayed to Kissinger via diplomatic routes but were not answered.[88]

In August 2001, Argentine Judge Rodolfo Canicoba sent a letter rogatory to the US State Department, in accordance with the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT), requesting a deposition by Kissinger to aid the judge's investigation of Operation Condor.[89] On 10 September 2001, a civil suit was filed in a Washington, D.C., federal court by the family of Gen. René Schneider, murdered former Commander-in-Chief of the Chilean Army, asserting that Kissinger ordered Schneider's murder because he refused to endorse plans for a military coup. Schneider was killed by coup-plotters loyal to General Roberto Viaux in a botched kidnapping attempt. As part of the suit, Schneider's two sons filed for civil damages against Kissinger and then-CIA director Richard Helms for $3 million.[90][91][92]

On 16 February 2007, a request for the extradition of Kissinger was filed at the Supreme Court of Uruguay on behalf of Bernardo Arnone, a political activist who was kidnapped, tortured and disappeared by the dictatorial regime in 1976.[93]

The Wiki article on Operation Condor is very long, I've just posted what seemed the most important, in general, and most relevant to Clinton wanting Kissenger's endorsement, in particular. All of it IS important, though, especially for Americans who don't know about all the innocent torture & murder victims our successive governments and our leaders (particularly Reagan & Nixon) should be publicly blamed & disgraced for.

Read it all @https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor


Clinton & Kissinger: birds of a feather!

 

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:20 am
The best part of the debate was listening to the after-reports in which Trump was called "petulant", "pouty", and "meandering". Of course, he kept the fact checkers busy, too.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:22 am
Byw, I like what Julian Assange said about the two presidential candidates:

"Julian Assange: Choosing Between Trump or Clinton is Like Picking Between Cholera or Gonorrhea" is the title of a DN! show.
 

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:26 am
I beg to differ with you, Darren - it DOES matter who wins the debate because a) no matter how much more qualified or better they might be, any other candidate will not get enough votes to become President and b) while many of us may not like Clinton, she is far more qualified and sane than Trump. She does not start every sentence with "I" and she does not brag about how she uses the law to cheat workers of their money or the government of their taxes.
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:43 am
I forced myself to watch....I am now blind. I cannot hear well now either.
As much as I despise Hildebeast..she hands-down beat the living crap outta Derr Fuhrer Creamsicle with actual facts and a composed demeanor. She won the debate. Sphincterman came across as just that...a yyyyyyyyyuge upright sphincter spewing forth filth, ignorance, belligerence and a whole lotta boasting and narcissism.
 

Ben O (128)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:49 am
Great pic, thanks Tom!
 

Ben O (128)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 6:50 am
Right on Glennis!
 

Dot A (180)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 10:05 am
Brainwashing / How a Bully Wins: #1. Panic Mongering - never a break from inciting "fear" #2. Character Assassination - to dispense with the opponent #3. Projection/Flipping -> blame the victim #4. Rewrite History ( to make facts fit their world view ) #5. Scapegoating - dehumanization of other to justify violence and subvert responsibility #6. Conflating Violence with power and weakness blamed on the opposition #7. Yelling and bullying ( works well with those who lack confidence / they retreat and the bully takes the victory ) #8. Confusion - deliberate confusion with insistence of flawed logic, plus claiming the opposition being stupid or fanatical #9. Populism / claiming to represent and be one of "the people" and say the opposition is NOT the "people" and not "for the people" #10. Self Proclaim "the Real American" and the other as immoral #11. Saturation / a. Repetition b. Sneaking Ubiquitous c. CONSISTENCY #12. Disparaging Education / (higher education put down as elitist, - judged as a threat to the hive-minded ) because education viewed as a lack of credibility { only those with higher educations lie } *** The "reality showman - of tv and business scams '-> Trump-ster does all of these and more!!!!
 

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 10:50 am
Noted, Thanks
 

Winn A (179)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 12:27 pm
What a clown who was just a disaster in last nights debate. Vote Blue in November.
 

Chris C (152)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 1:04 pm
I truly enjoyed watching Hillary wupp the asshat!
 

Darren W (218)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 1:21 pm
You can differ as much as you like. . .

Assange's quote is bang on the money. You're choosing between bad and worse:
""Julian Assange: Choosing Between Trump or Clinton is Like Picking Between Cholera or Gonorrhea" is the title of a DN! show. "

What HAS Hillary Clinton done to make YOUR life better?
Environmentally (Fracking, Climate Change, Oil Spills)
Wealth inequalities
Animal Rights
Workers Rights
WAR, and exploitation of others countries (Check out Abby Martin's Empire Files)
Foreign Policies

A few of you have argued about Bernie Sanders writing a STORY that featured a woman fantasying about being raped. WHAT ABOUT Clinton as a young lawyer getting a bloke off of abusing and raping a young woman by suppressing evidence?

NEITHER of these two candidates are WORTH voting for.
 

TomCat S (125)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 1:35 pm
Thanks, hugs and stars to all but the twp de-facto Trump supporters. I have had problems with Hillary for years, and trust I will continue to do so, but to consider her the equal of Trump has no basis in any rerality beyond Putin's pro-Trump propaganda.
 

Janet B (0)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 1:35 pm
Thanks
 

Darren W (218)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 2:39 pm
. . .and BTW, I am not a Donald Trump supporter. Neither of the two candidates are worth voting for.

Just because people don't like OR endorse Hillary Clinton, doesn't automatically mean they are routing for Donald Trump.
 

Dot A (180)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 3:17 pm
Wow, I'm amazed at the motivation of those who like to discourage others and admit that they don't give toad stool for the opposing side. Interesting choice of how to spend one's time. Not for this. Not for that. and Not for any of you who do. Just wanna dump, but not on the Trumpster. What else could possibly be motivating such trash talk if the opponent is considered on par,...? If Hillary behaved as Donald behaves I wonder how the discourse would proceed then,...? { or maybe I don't } - Misogyny is still alive and very real, folks, so sorry to say.
 

Darren W (218)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 4:02 pm
The problem you have, Dot, is that there have always been MORE THAN just the 2 candidates, the other problem you have, is your actual American Election process, that doesn't take into consideration OTHER candidates, falling outside the mainstream Republican and Democratic model.
 

Colleen L (3)
Tuesday September 27, 2016, 5:03 pm
Good comments...especially Darren's. Thanks TomCat
 

Dot A (180)
Wednesday September 28, 2016, 6:38 am
Indeed. As neither a register Democrat nor a Republican, I have great hopes that our country may find solutions to our problems outside the mainstream, thus far, those who have run against the mainstream, do not measure up to the rigors of our country's complexities and practical solutions. Words do come much cheaper than actions. What may sound oh so nice in a speech is in reality not how the results will turn out, as no one has complete control of the future and all the circumstances that factor in. We do however live in an idealistic nation, and for the most part, still want those ideals to be made real. I want 'the best,' too. At this juncture in time, Hillary IS the best.
 

TomCat S (125)
Wednesday September 28, 2016, 1:55 pm
Thanks all, Darren, if you count the candidates that have a possibility to win,. there are only two, Hugs.

Amen, Dot.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Thursday September 29, 2016, 3:26 pm
If Trump is, to put if briefly, a national disgrace & Hillary's record makes it impossible for progressives to support her, then what are we to do? For me, the best solution would be massive support for Jill Stein... to show that Bernie's revolution was not a fly-by-night affair and that progressive voters want something other than the pro-war, pro-corporations, neo-liberal orientation that both parties keep serving up.
 
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