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Open Thread - 12/11/2017

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Joanne Dixon (38)
Monday December 11, 2017, 2:12 pm
:33 Well, that average seems excessive. It's not as if it were brand new.

TC, I know you consider truthout too far left even for us, but this appears to be well researched and factual, and applicable.

Thank God/Dog/Ceiling Cat for BOTH your Senators, TC! (Pete deFazio ain't bad, either.)

Trae - If you hadn't, I would have (which would have made for a very long comment). Thanks. Yes, there is a good South. Besides those you mentioned,
Edie, the Rev. Dr. Barber, John Pavlovitz, and, as you said, more.


Joanne Dixon (38)
Monday December 11, 2017, 2:15 pm
1(cut off - continued - BTW time above S/B 5:33)

Reich - It's already not free, in that one pays a fee for access. But one can shop for the best rate, and once one pays the fee, one can go anywhere in the internet that one wants (even paywalls can be worked aroubd.) Destroying Net Neutrality is likely to destroy the Resistance.

Media Matters - Indeed. I don't do Facebook either, but if anyone clicked on my second link above, you know some very important people do - important in themselves, and important for us to get their message, not "fact-checked" by Nazis. I'll be happy to sign any petition one doesn't have to be a member to sign.

Cartoon - Hmmmmph. More "Gross" than "Grand" if you ask me.


Ted W (127)
Monday December 11, 2017, 3:04 pm
Noted, forwarded and shared ultra-liberally across four networks!!RESIST!!Many thanks for posting, TomCat!

Freya H (358)
Monday December 11, 2017, 3:06 pm
Good to see the Ponies back in the win column - especially against the Jets.

Let us hope that Doug Jones does beat Roy Moore. That could be the last glimmer of hope for this country.

Keep fighting for Net Neutrality! You cannot sign enough petitions. You cannot send your Senators and Representative enough messages, tweets, phone calls, post cards, singing telegrams, etc.

David C (108)
Monday December 11, 2017, 3:10 pm
thanks, and glad your Broncos finally won again

Pat B (356)
Monday December 11, 2017, 3:18 pm
Trae: Love this guy. "Yosemite Sham"...Loved his rallying cry at the end, hope Jones wins!!

Mr. Reich: Spot on, well said, Mr. Reich. Keep the petitions coming for Net Neutrality.

MM: Thanks for getting this out there..... and will pass this one on as well.

Cartoon: Gnarled (gross) ole pervs.

WoW! Good for your guys!! YAY! Hope that your COPD gets better with each passing day. Enjoy your evening, take care, and Thanks, Tom.

Kathleen M (211)
Monday December 11, 2017, 4:05 pm
Great post! Thx TC.

Glennis W (395)
Monday December 11, 2017, 6:36 pm
Fantastic your Broncos won all so awesome Take care rest well Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat

pam w (139)
Monday December 11, 2017, 6:51 pm
Maybe GOP stands for "GUARD OUR PERVERTS?"

Mitchell D (86)
Monday December 11, 2017, 8:07 pm
Trae rocks! The Good South rocks!
Robert Reich: “Free from corporate control and influence!” “…jeopardize our democracy.” But, “jeopardize our democracy,” is precisely what tDump, and the Koch owned GOP want to do!!
I’m reading a new book, and here is a bit of a lengthy synopsis that is all about what I just wrote:
In “Democracy in Chains-The Deep History of the Radical Right’s Stealth Plan for America,” by Nancy MacClean: The 1956 SCOTUS decision in Brown v. Board of Education, was more than a decision to end segregated schools, it was, to a couple of well educated sons of the South, former Governor of Virginia, Colgate whitehead Darden, Jr., and James McGill Buchanan, it “boded a sea change on much more..”“At a minimum, the federal courts could no longer be counted on to defer reflexively to states’ rights arguments.” And it might intervene “when presented with compelling evidence that a state action was in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantee of “equal protection,” under the law.” Given Virginia’s “archaic’ labor relations, its measures to suppress voting, or its effort to buttress the power of reactionary rural whites by underrepresenting the moderate voters of the cities and suburbs of Northern Virginia,” things could get out of hand. “Federal meddling could rise to levels once unimaginable.”So, Buchanan set himself the goal of battling this unwanted Federal incursion, which threatened to “tell his people how to run their society, and then tax them in the process of going about making the requisite changes. So, he arranged with Darden, then the president of the U. of V., “…to create a new center on the campus of the University of Virginia, to be used “…to create a new school of political economy and social philosophy. It would be “designed with a quiet political agenda: “to defeat the ‘perverted form’ of liberalism” that threatened he and his people. In the 1860’s John C. Calhoun, of South Carolina, had gone about protecting what he saw as his wealthy class’s rights to “constrict the operations of democratic government. He created a “set of constitutional gadgets” for just that purpose! “Calhoun and Buchanan both devised constitutional mechanisms to protect an elite economic minority against ‘exploitation’ by majorities of their fellow citizens….”This concept was introduced to Charles Koch, who took it and is still running with it, under the name of “Libertarianism,” which translates to the liberty to do as he, and his compatriots see fit, in order to twist the constitution to their greedy ends. At this point they have succeeded in quietly taking over the GOP, which is, now, an uncompromising battering ram, attacking the very heart of what Democracy stands for, the Demos of the ancient Greeks.“The revival of these tactics is a core theme of this book. What we are seeing today is a new iteration of that very old impulse in America: the quest of some of the propertied (always, it bears noting, a particularly ideologically extreme -and some would say greedy- subsection of the propertied) to restrict the promise of democracy for the many, acting in the knowledge that the majority would choose other policies if it could.

Colleen L (3)
Monday December 11, 2017, 9:04 pm
Like what Pam said about GOP. Glad your Broncos won. Thanks TomCat

Katie & Bill D (107)
Monday December 11, 2017, 9:07 pm
Let's all hope Moore loses!!!
Keep your eyes open tomorrow!
yes sign everything you see for protecting Net Neutrality!!
I have signed everything I see!
Thank you TomCat

Lona G (67)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 3:37 am
Trae Crowder: It’s heartwarming to see that so many Americans in the South do not support Moore. And I hope that today (it’s Tuesday here already) the majority of voters in Alabama think the same way, because sadly generalizations are all that’s remembered in history. If Roy Moore is elected as Senator, Alabama and all its people will be remembered as having lost its moral compass on Tuesday 12 December 2017.

Robert Reich: Corporate power grab is the only thing that really trickles down from the very rich to us. It’s started with taking control of politics and a large part of the media, then legislation and through that they take over the last thing almost all of us are share: the internet. There are already cities around the world who are building their own internet networks to avoid censorship and big brother watching them, but through their limited availability will only divide the world in corporate controlled vs free speech/free thought even more.

MM: What? Facebook partnering with a notorious alternate-fact distributor to fact-check false news is worse than a butcher who inspects his own meats (Dutch proverb). The Weekly standard will pass his own false news off as real news, and anything contrary to their opinion won’t pass the check. Facebook might as well have asked Steve Bannon to fact-check. Or is he the man behind it all? So glad I never trusted Facebook.

Cartoon: Bingo!

Gloria picchetti (304)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 8:16 am
the liberal Redneck made my day!

Winn A (179)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 11:54 am

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 12:17 pm
Puzzle — 5:27 No escargot soaked in garlic butter for you Puddy Tat!

YouTube — I sure hope Trae is correct about Alabamans, and more generally the south.

You have the Alabama by-election on Tuesday while here, north of the 49th, we had 4 national by-elections. Three of the 4 went to Trudeau’s Liberals. The one closest to me is just across the Fraser River in Surrey-White Rock, a traditionally Conservative riding. Although Harper is gone, the Conservative are still basically the same. May Alabama’s by-election be as positive as ours were.

Robert Reich — Net Neutrality MUST remain. Stop the oligarchs! Stop Republicans! Stop Drumpf!

Media Matters — With tasking the Evening Standard to do fact checking, it is clear that FB does not take fact checking seriously! FB needs to have a body of professionals who truly understand fact checking and can do it in a non partisan, unbiased way. That excludes the Evening Standard and the likes of Faux Noise who might try to sell themselves fact checkers (a new product line that they would relish, no doubt). More succinctly: Puking smiley at site

What is Zuckerberg trying to do? Is he conservative?

Cartoon — Yup! Although I agree with JD — more GROSS than Grand!

Resist, Persist and Remove!!!

Silence is Consent!!!


TomCat S (127)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 1:33 pm
Thanks all. Hugs!

Debra G (0)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 6:22 pm
Posted the Media Matters article on my Facebook. I have a few politically linked friends who will spread the word.

I’m watching Alabama returns and biting my nails. I think I may take up drinking - too bad it takes me 2 hours to gag down a shot of whisky.

Happy Hanukkah, tribespeople.

Janet B (0)
Tuesday December 12, 2017, 7:40 pm

Sheila D (28)
Wednesday December 13, 2017, 11:39 am
6:14. Thanks for the post, TomCat. It's already a better day in Alabama.

TomCat S (127)
Wednesday December 13, 2017, 12:24 pm
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