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Yesterday, we released news of the Department of Defense restricting access to Fox News at military installations.


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Robert K (437)
Monday September 21, 2009, 9:03 pm
At every installation (we were told), particularly those overseas, this news outlet was always available. However, now, it is considered, restricted material. Periodically, the military does reviews and restricts material they feel is inappropriate for military personnel morale. We are extremely happy Fox made the list. Thank you, for your support and inquiries. We were able to obtain a copy of the letter sent to the Department of Defense.

Our military community is a close knit family, they value their privacy. We ask that you do too. We thank them for their service to this nation and for their, continous, commitment, to keeping peace

Robert K (437)
Monday September 21, 2009, 9:04 pm
A Copy of The Letter to the DOD

As military families we are disturbed by your choice to advertise on the Fox News website, and, to air the Fox TV Network at military installations, worldwide. The approach taken by this media outlet, with shows showcasing Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly; all supporting Rush Limbaugh’s views. And, their choice of attack methods, in regards to our Commander and Chief, the 44th President of the United States, referencing race.

It started with the magic Negroe song, then email circulars, the most disturbing being, the one with the watermelon patch. Calling our first lady names, such as, angry black woman, and, only, God knows what other ugly names she has been called. We cringe when we think about it. In addition to, referring to the White House, as the Black House. The assaults, seem to continue on and on. Escalating to the point of, dropping all respect, and calling the President of the United States of America, a racist. And, without shame, openly promoting the teabagger and birther movements; which are ongoing, long running, assault campaigns.

We would like to see the United States become more united, and, American people working together towards the betterment of all citizens. Continously exposing us to these divisive, racially motivated campaigns, only serve to divide the military community and our families, when we rely on each other, while, stationed overseas.

This line of assault simply must change, along with your sponsorship.

With the racial rhetoric and the consistent assaults on our Commander and Chief, how long do you think, we, the military community, will continue to support each other, when we see the department of defense sponsoring shows and campaigns that promote hate? Please, pull your advertising and support from these types of shows, websites and media outlets, therefore, stopping all patronage.

Thank you,

-Military Families, United

Robert K (437)
Monday September 21, 2009, 9:05 pm
I am a veteran and mom of an active duty Marine. I am also close to active duty personnel in the Army Ranger program, the Navy and the Air Force. Please let me clear up a couple of points for you:

1. Fox wasn’t shown at all military installations until Bush took office and outsourced all food services to KBR, at which point Fox began to be shown 24/7 at all chow halls. So, all over the world, our military has had eight years of propaganda shoved down their throats with their meals.

Anyone who complained was labeled unpatriotic.

I’m thrilled this has been stopped. Our troops don’t need that.


Laurie W (189)
Monday September 21, 2009, 9:47 pm
Thanks Robert. This brought up several interesting points.The increase in the extreme religious views being promoted to our military along with the fact that the last administration brought in mercenaries ( Blackwater)which did nothing toward the theory of promoting democracy.

Robert K (437)
Monday September 21, 2009, 10:24 pm
Right on Lauri, religious indoctrination of young soldiers while blowing human beings to smithereans is such a paradox, in all probabily it paralyes their minds psychologically leaving them somewhat deranged. And on the mercenaries from what little I've read, they are just hired killers without having to be responsible or account to anyone. Then on top of all that just think of being propagandized by Fox for 8 years.

Sir Walk F (124)
Monday September 21, 2009, 11:02 pm
What does that image have to do with the article?

and is it any less offensive than if it were obama instead of bush?

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday September 21, 2009, 11:13 pm
1. Fox wasn’t shown at all military installations until Bush took office and outsourced all food services to KBR, at which point Fox began to be shown 24/7 at all chow halls. So, all over the world, our military has had eight years of propaganda shoved down their throats with their meals.

Anyone who complained was labeled unpatriotic.

I’m thrilled this has been stopped. Our troops don’t need that.

2. Service members already speak disrespectfully of President Obama – some so disrespectfully that they should face charges. Unfortunately, the atmosphere in the military today, especially the Marines, is virulently anti-Democratic among the middle ranks of the leadership. No surprise considering #1.

3. There is also a concurrent issue with the evangelization of the military. Our young troops in several of the branches are being force-fed a violent form of religious propaganda, even to the point of being told by high ranking officers that we are in a holy war, and that Islam must be destroyed for Christianity to survive.

4. Our military kids are regularly subjected to bizarre conspiracy theories. My neighbor’s son, an Army Ranger, bought several guns before he deployed to Afghanistan because his leadership told him unofficialy but repeatedly that Obama was going to repeal the 2nd amendment while he was overseas.

I thought this was an aberration until I heard it from other military personnel from other bases and branches of the military.

While you and I may realize how absurd and dangerous that is, these young kids are hearing it from their leaders, the very people training them to survive, making it hard for them to question them. I have gotten many calls from these young members of the military who grew up around my neighborhood, asking me about the various rumors their hearing, sometimes from their commands.

Some of them are pretty shocking: Obama is going to cut all our benefits. Obama is going to make us pay for our own medical care if we are injured. Plus all the Birther/Deather/Tenther nonsense.

The military today is not like it was when I was in during the 80’s. Religion was never forced on us the way it is now, certainly not such a backward violent perversion of Christianity as is being forced on soldiers today.

And we were not fed a constant stream of conspiracy theories about how our Commander in Chief was illegitimate, or out to get us, or any of this garbage.

We here at home have to be the voice to stand up for our troops overseas. We can complain loudly and forcefully about these things, they can’t. They need us to be their advocates.

One final note – we have never had a military forced to serve with mercenaries, as our troops have under Bush. And, make no mistake, the mercenaries hired by the Bush Administration were from Blackwater, a corrupt, virulently Right-wing extremist group that openly pushed for the elimination of all Muslims, openly slaughtered people in Iraq, and endangered our troops over there.

When Paul Wolfowitz was in charge of the Iraqi Reconstruction, it was not American military who provided his security, it was Blackwater mercenaries.

I only mention that to point out the position it put our military in. Their leadership was not surrounded and protected by our military, but by right-wing mercenaries. What message did that send to the ranks?

Jim Phillips (3247)
Monday September 21, 2009, 11:26 pm
For those of you wanting to do "something" about what is being broadcast these days on TV, radio and in other sources, then write a note, a letter of complaint to:

FCC Consumer Complaints: LINK:

Write directly to "faux news" at this e-mail address: "If you see something fishy on the news, Fox News Watch wants you to send them an email. So let’s say you see something fishy on a news network that brags about being “fair and balanced,” you can report it at:"


The Open Call for American Citizens to Take Action Against Fox News Network, Mark Williams, Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh and others.

Personally, I would love to see "faux news" disappear off the air.

TY, Robert.

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:05 am
Thank you Boots. I am more than happy at this. Our youngest son is being deployed the beginning of Oct. With all that these brave men and women, and their families have to deal with, FOX's slanderous propaganda, should NOT be included! FOX does not deliver anything remoting resembling news. They have an agenda geared toward the so called "religious" element of the right wing. These fervant fanatics preach nothing more than hatred, racisim, and intolerance for those who do not accept their limited views. It is time that those who are sacrifing the ultimate, are not subjected to this non stop rhetoric!

Joycey B (750)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:38 am
Thanks for this informative article Boots.

. (0)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 6:33 am
Thannxxx for the info...

Laurie W (189)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 7:57 am
SWF...I agree this action is no more offensive no matter who hold the reins.
What is offensive is the hidden message that has been served up to our soldiers on a platter that this country's religious beliefs justify any action.I might add our troops are practically forced fed this theory unlike the the photo opt turkey supposedly offered up to our troops by Bush and Blackwater.I always assumed democracy was an idelogical concept we worked for not paid to have established by mercenaries.
Carrie may your son stay safe and clear minded to follow the insight you have given him

Fiona O (562)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 8:54 am
I agree with Sir Walk, the image that introduced the article influenced my reading the article. Images should be more carefully selected and more in tune with the material that is going to be covered by the article.

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 9:51 am
I get this image for this story - after all, propaganda and lies were how Hitler got started and it's the same way Bush managed to do so much damage. Fox "News" (ha ha) makes it easy for the fear mongers and the hate spewers to do their business - I'd love to see Fox disappear from the television. At the very least, they should not be allowed to call themselves "news".

Marion Y (322)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 10:34 am
Excellent comments by Robert, BMutiny, Jim, Carrie and Arielle.

This is OUTSTANDING news! It stops further indoctrination and lies to our troops, and sends a strong message to all that Fox News is NOT fair and balanced, or credible.

Jim...I have filed a complaint with the FCC against Fox News and Glenn Beck etal as you suggested. Thank you! I encourage everyone else to do so and spread the word. Each of our voices DOES make a difference.

Carrie...Many thanks for fowarding this post to me.

Robert...Many more thanks to you for posting the article.

Manuela B (10)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 12:32 pm
I watch fox new very often and it is clearly an exteme right news,although I like the way they transmit news.

Robert K (437)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 1:36 pm
Like Hitler the Bush Administration was by all means the most deceitful and secretive of any in American history; with PNAC they prearranged the Iraq war with (lies) virtually with the same thugs Reagan used instigating the Iran-Contra scandal: Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc. Then as mentioned,they like Hitler pandered with demagoguery the Christians, having them believe it was their God given duty to fight the enemy. But as to the image, the BushCons were more in bed with the multi/billionaire corporations than Democracy allows, such as Halliburton, Big Oil exp. Bush/Exxon/Mobile, Washington Group Intl., Environmental Chemical, International American Products and innumerable others raking in tens of billions: and the multi/billionaire corporatist Rupert Murdock and Fox News tied in with the BushCon Govt. like a hair in a biscuit. If that is not de facto Fascism what would be? And don't forget the Carlyle Group owned by the Saudi Shakes of which the Bushs Sr.& Jr. were memembers. And the Saudis that were flown out of the U.S. after 9/11 with a no fly zone in effect when 15 of 18 of the highjack bombers were Saudis.

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 1:52 pm
Do you have a link to prove this? I seriously doubt it.

. (0)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 2:04 pm
Great post Robert...and to all the people whop stood up for Limbaugh on my earlier posting..maybe Robert..WAS JUST JOKING..?and you just don't get it.Robert wasn't joking in my opinion,but hey it seems to be the get out of jail for everything these days..though i'm damn sure from knowing Robert for some while on here,that his values and honesty are far superior to the Arrogant-Greed-Meister..and for me comparisons of Bush with Hitler are possible to be made..both were agents of the rich,both committed mass murder,both hated those who were different (Muslims,gays the poor in Bush's case,Jews,gays,gypsies ,the mentally unwell in Hitler's)and both were ruthless ,ultra-ideological ,right wing assholes.

Mark G (36)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 2:36 pm
NE L. Of course there is no link to prove this because it isn't true. Perhaps wishful thinking by some, but the military is not restricting access to news outlets. Read the letter in the link. Besides all the obvious errors in it - the incorrect spelling of "negroe", the fact that the term "Magic Negro" was actually famously coined by the LA Times (not Fox News), the claim that Fox is distributing email circulars on watermelon patches, etc - the letter to the DOD is very poorly written. Definitely not a letter that would lend any credibility to this story.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 2:54 pm
Please try reading, half-way down the article, in the following link:

Better yet, rent the film - "FAHRENHEIT 9/11"

TY, Robert.

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:11 pm
Scarborough denounces right-wing 'hatred'

....."You cannot say that the President of the United States ... hates all white people," Scarborough proclaimed. "You cannot call the President of the United States a racist. You cannot wallow in conspiracy theories -- as [Beck] did for about a month -- suggesting that FEMA might be setting up concentration camps and going on Fox & Friends and saying. 'I can't disprove it.' ... You can't stir up that type of hatred ... and then say, 'Oh, I'm just a rodeo clown.'"

....."Only recently have I watched portions of [Beck's] television program, as well as interviews with him, and heard parts of his radio program. And what I’ve seen should worry the conservative movement," Wehner wrote in an article published Monday. "I say that because he seems to be more of a populist and libertarian than a conservative, more of a Perotista than a Reaganite. His interest in conspiracy theories is disquieting, as is his admiration for Ron Paul and his charges of American 'imperialism.'"

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:22 pm
Sorry, try again. Anything Michael Moore has to say is not reliable.

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:24 pm
Faux News should be stripped of it's FCC license period! Hate-mongers, liars, and accessories to untold violence - it's just a transparently dressed front for the Bu$h-League Mob$ter$!

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:30 pm
LOL...this from people who have said some of the most vile things I have ever heard about Bush & Co.


. (0)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:49 pm
I say stuff that is just as nasty about Mussolini and General Franco and I really go to town on Adolf Hitler NE.L.Is that wrong?
What should we do pat them on the head?and say "aww he may be a murderer who kills the poor,but thats just his little ways"..?

Robert K (437)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 5:56 pm
George W. Bush may have lost at the ballot box but he won where it counts, at the piggy bank. The Fortunate Son rode right into the White House on a snorting porker stuffed with nearly half a billion dollars: By calculation of the suffocating plurality of cash from Corporate America ("hard" money, "soft" money, "parallel" spending and other forms of easy squeezy. They called it an election but it looked more like an auction.

And did you know Bubba is the only man that ever got rich in the oil business drilling dry holes all over Texas. Never struck oil although he did have the Saudi backing.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 6:21 pm
Looks like someone doesn't want to do a little homework nor research. Shame on those people.

In Michael Moore's article from above, the facts are documented from Homeland Security, the 9-11 Commission and other sources.

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 7:00 pm
Then you should cite DHS and 9-11 commission. What do those sites have to do with proving FOX has been restricted at military installations?

Laurie W (189)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 7:03 pm
Geez Robert even ol redneck Jed Clapett found oil..and he didn't need to go to Harvard.
NE L my disabled vet isn't ROFLHAO....and may I suggest that vile ( offensive to the senses,repulsive,disgusting,cheap, or worthless) things cause less bodily harm than sticks,stones,rocks,bombs,IED, DU, and bullets just to name a few..If words offend you may I suggest you never put on a uniform to continue your crusade.

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 7:09 pm
What are you people talking about? All I asked for was a link to proof that FOX news was restricted from military installations.

Laurie W (189)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 7:34 pm
NE L you seem to only have questions...please play nice and if you think this is incorrect get the info to back your stand. Meanwhile I have posted requests from military members overseas requesting what news broadcast they are reciving on post..Now since they are on 12 hour rotations and there is a time zone delay it may take be my guest and start seeking the answer to dispute this article.

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 7:40 pm
Don't bother Laurie. I will ask my 2 nephews overseas. I just thought the poster of the article might have a link. I didn't expect all the animosity for asking a simple question. But I guess I should know better by now.

Robert K (437)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 9:21 pm
You know Greg Palast, Noam Chomsky, William Blum and others don't get their National Security Matters from the main stream media, but the information is out there as noted above. While thinking about the post image, I believe Joseph Gobbels, the Nazi Propaganda Chief in not unlike the Propaganda Chief Fox News for the Bushcons Right Wing Elite.

Gayla S (50)
Tuesday September 22, 2009, 10:13 pm
Go to the site and ck. out "God's Own Party". Folks just don't like the lie's from FOX
Noted & siggned up to RSS feed.
Tks Robert and Jim for the info.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 1:12 am
Thanks for the news Robert...Faux news, god and GWB does it again?...Wake up America, you are being conned!

Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 1:19 am
I'm sure i will be thoroughly tarred and faethered, but i also have to ask where the links and proof are in this blog posting.

all i see is this paragraph: "Yesterday, we released news of the Department of Defense restricting access to Fox News at military installations. Our source, like most news reporting services will not be unveiled. But, we will say this, in general: an active duty, military member who has been stationed abroad."

This does nto appear to be 'news' to me.

So, has it been restricted, or are some just saying, off the record, that it was been.

i see no reference to this issue on the MSM.

Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 1:25 am
Actually, Robert K, Noam Chomsky OFTEN points out that he does indeed get his information from the media and other publicly accessible sources.

Why is everyone so hostile towards NE L for just asking for some links and proof beyond an 'unidentified source' on a blog? Perhaps the story is true, but to assume it's true based on one 'unidentified source' isnt 'news', its gossip.

let me know when its actually 'news'.

Wednesday September 23, 2009, 2:36 am
I am greatly heartened to see this outreach on the part of our nation's military families to the DOD. Many of us, certainly including myself, are intensely concerned about the radical right-wing media's monopolization of the typical American's imagination. Those of us paying attention see Fox News for what it is, a propaganda outlet of the republican party of the United States, and not a source of impartial news reporting as would be appropriate of media allowed access to coverage as vital as this to the interests of the American people.

. (0)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 5:28 am
Even if this is true....isn't a violation of troops Rights?
I mean they should be able to watch whatever they want to watch.
It is there choice not the Government's choice,NO MATTER WHO IS THE WHITE HOUSE>
I think more then half of you miss the point on what it means to honor the rights of individuals on ALL levels and in ever form.
Whether you like it or not.
I am waiting back from a couple of peeps that serve to see if this is even true.
Until then I write this up to a big fat lie.

Marty H (119)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 5:40 am
Fox news = Rupert Murdoch and that should say enough for most people;
The man is one of those that thinks he's special and should rule the world. In my opinon, Murdoch has done a great deal to destroy honest reporting.

. (0)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:04 am
Okay so I searched and searched and found nothing that proves this to be true.
In fact there are stories being reported about Fox on the Millitary news website itself.So unless anyone has something other then a Left leaning blog post to foam about.Then it is useless and even counterproductive to stopping any type of war effort that the USA is involved in.

I did find several TRUE and very disturbing stories about soliders being deployed who are not medically fit,15240,167456,00.html

And that our government is actually no longer providing Body Armour for our troops.

So any one want to way in on real stories there are the links.
Or like NE Said give a link,other then a blog,showing this informantion so that others can look it up...would be great.

. (0)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:07 am
"The man is one of those that thinks he's special and should rule the world. In my opinon, Murdoch has done a great deal to destroy honest reporting"

I don't think that's Murdoch....I think your talking about Sorors.
He was kicked out of the UK and ordered never to return based on his actions that caused the drop of their dollar,there by causing great desress to their economy.
Just saying!

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 8:12 am
I foresee Fox News with the likes of Glenn Beck falling by the wayside as pressure builds to remove them altogether from the air waves or get them to change their format of propaganda. In the meantime, I will wait for an official announcement that Fox News is restricted from military installations before I share this story.

Jamie Clemons (282)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 10:42 am
How ironic and hypocritical is fox news? They proclaimed loudly that you are unamerican if you don't support the commander in cheif when Bush was in office. Now look at their behavior.

Marion Y (322)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 11:32 am
You're right, Jamie. Even staunch conservatives are coming out against the likes of Glenn Beck:

Joe Scarborough agrees: Glenn Beck is bad news for the conservative movement
"Maybe he was inspired by his earlier session with Max Blumenthal. Or maybe it was the way Glenn Beck dissed Mika by telling her to "shut the hell up." Or maybe he's just as sick of Glenn Beck as the rest of us are.

"Whatever it was, Joe Scarborough was relentless and on-point this morning in attacking not just Glenn Beck, but the conservatives who condone and empower him.

"Scarborough: But when you preach this kind of hatred, and say that an African American president hates all white people -- stay with me -- hates all white people, you are playing with fire. And bad things can happen. And if they do happen, not only is Glenn Beck responsible, but conservatives who don't -- call -- him -- out -- are responsible.

"This is certainly a good start for conservatives serious about rescuing their movement from the abyss into which it is descending. But again, as with David Brooks, none of them quite grasp the dimensions of what they're up against.

"Sure, the things Glenn Beck says are completely nuts and reflect poorly on the American Right generally. That's probably because Beck is in reality a genuine far-right extremist who is gradually coming out of the closet about that -- and as he does, he's lapping up the ratings.

"But Beck is far from the only extremist dragging movement conservatism to the right. The bridges between the far right and mainstream conservatives are so numerous and widely trafficked that it's hard to keep up, but they range from the extreme religious right connections that Blumenthal describes in his new book in detail, to the "Patriot" wingnut right like WorldNetDaily, which has multiple ties to the Republican National Committee. And yes, ordinary conservatives do have reason to be concerned.

"This is especially the case when it comes to the Tea Parties, which actually reflect the takeover of movement conservatism by right-wing populists. They have become a fundamentally important nexus for the promotion of extremist beliefs and fringe conspiracy theories."
I will repeat Scarborough's statement above:

"My hunch is that he is a comet blazing across the media sky right now—and will soon flame out. Whether he does or not, he isn’t the face or disposition that should represent modern-day conservatism. At a time when we should aim for intellectual depth, for tough-minded and reasoned arguments, for good cheer and calm purpose, rather than erratic behavior, he is not the kind of figure conservatives should embrace or cheer on."

For any relevance Fox News may offer, they have lost credibility and are a dangerous voice to the public with talking head clowns like Beck on their payroll. Fox News is for those who want to be amused, operate on a 5th grade education level, don't want to think too deeply and would rather have someone else do the thinking for them...which leads to a dumbed down society of village idiots. A dangerous route to travel.

Nancy L (141)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 12:28 pm
Joe who?

pam M (98)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 1:13 pm
I would personally like to thank Mr. Jim Phillips for his valable access info to contact FCC and others, you made my day.

It is deplorable to think that with all the stress that our active duty military are under that they too are not immune from this type of crap.If President Obama's term does nothing else it will be remembered by all as
the years that true bigotry and hatred reared it's ugly head. We are now privy to the slimmy underbelly of the right wing. Their right and everybody else is wrong. True Nazisum is reflected in thier very nature, murderous,hateful, racist,lying theives. I'm sick and tired of this Nazi crap surrounding President Obama. Those that actually survived the Holocaust should be insensed regarding the comparison. There is no comparison, Hitler was a murdering, sick,king of the knuckle dragging racist..who murdered millions. To claim that Obama's presidency is the same as saying the human suffering, torture and death during the dark days of Hitler's rein never existed!!!! Shame to any American citizen that makes this claim.

I hate to continue to repeat myself on these sites, but the stupid rumor regarding the repeal of the right to bare arms is again big business at work. No better way to skyrocket your profits and bleed the consumer at the same time than by telling gun fanantics of the world that their arms are in danger. It's a ploy sheeple to pick your pocket once again!!!! Wise up

Robert K (437)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 5:01 pm
The point of this image, post, blog or whatever is that the American people, such as the majority of you speaking up here, have something better to offer the planet than the spurious actions of Bush, and the propagandized crap of Fox News shooting cruise missles.

Steven Hawkins, the renown astro-physicist and possibly the greatest, said he would be suprised if living life on earth within the next hundred years. He went on to say he wouldn't be to sure about 50. Not the earth that it would survive like it has the last 15 billion years but not any living life.

To those of you, the majority here, that have the intelligence to understand this, I convery my many thanks.

Robert K (437)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 5:17 pm
Sorry on error above, Hawkings said, he would be surprised if living life survived on Earth the next 100 years.

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 5:19 pm
Thank you Boots for your insightful and relevant news and posts. You are one of the very few who has the ability to weed out what is important and meaningful for all. That includes all who might disagree. With your help, opinions are expressed and people are thinking and talking (not necessarily in that order). Please keep doing what you are doing for all of us.

. (0)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:02 pm
I have in the past questioned as to why anyone would want to join the military at all?I mean it is the ultimate in de-individualisation in terms of its honing people to unquestionably follow spurious often bourgeoise causes..beneffiting non but a tiny elite..I mean world war one,with all of it's jingoistic clap-trap was merely a war fought between rival factions of a European royal family,for reasons of colony ,wealth and empire.When the troops came back from the front,they received nothing but Britain they had been promised "home's fit fr heroes"..they never received them until following the wave of democratic socialism swept across Britain,post world war two.
I would gladly have taken up arms against Hitler and his twisted ,so called "uber mensch"who were more akin to moral "unter menschen" (above men..and beneath men respectively).
Having met a lot of decent people who have served in the forces,many of the one's i've met were from a similar background to my own,had few prospects and were doing it for purely functionally economic and career reasons..mosty decent people.
However they placed themselves into positions of potentially killing people ,for reasons they did not truly understand..the brighter one's as in America,(ie those who have gone awol,for reasons of a growing awareness of what they are fighting for/not fighting for)began to question things..
The Bush-Cheney axis of diesel,sent Americans ,and b-liar sent a useless war..fought for contractors,end timers,oil and on behalf of was only the lies of the press/media/assorted jingoistic cheerleader's (including most Liberals who banged the drum for Al Franken.who at least admits that he got it wrong)..without Fox could Bush have carried that war?Most probably..but they sure have blood on their do all Murdoch outlets.
Putting any fetter on Fox,surprises me on the part of the military..but if it means less hatred on the part of troops,initially programmed to be xenophobic ,programmed to hate..see Abu Gharib..see Lyndie England..see another few thousand incidents of hate fuelled destruction,often by working class victims pumped up with false Christianity and false flag patriotism .
Nope the ordinary "grunt"is often forced by circumstance or deluded by patriotism..but blowing the bugle are usually some people backed by other people,high up and in the shadows who stand to collect the real prize.
Until we see that our interest's are opposite to the interests of those warmongers,we will be doomed to repeat history,gaining nothing..cept a flag (do you think Dick Cheney..George Bush..Rumsfeldt..ex-Aussie Murdoch etc would die for their flag..look at the war records of the first two if you want your answer).
We are not all in it together..true patriots care about the well being of all their compatriots..and right wing colonialist patriotism is not and never was real patriotism..a great health service is..yeah you can have your flag..cos thats all your gonna get,except for a few lost limbs..and the same people who sent you to war,trying to cut the veterans allowances of those who served before you.
It is right to question "what is patriotic"?and i wouldn't look to the right wing for your answers,who just grow fat on the blood,bones and sacrifice of the military men and women.

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:36 pm
I have to disagree with some thing said here by a friend. Not all join the military for reasons stated. What would happen to all of us who live in freedom if we did not have a military? Most of us accept the fact that we are in a war for more than questionable politics and reasons. That does not mean that we should elimate our military forces. Only that we use them when necessary, not for political or financial gain. I agree that our troops are treated badly in many instances, but it is up to all of us to change that. I can not prevent wars, nor can I prevent what has happened in the past. I can have a voice in preventing further injury and injustice to our troops. Not all patriots are right wing idiots! It is important that we make sure our troops are respected and honored. They do not need to be ridiculed for being patriotic. Many share the same views you and I share, but are obliged by law to do their duty. Don't demean or condemn them. Instead, try to promote the message here. They should receive real news by by the real media and not propaganda promoted by the FOX hate and fear mongers. These are the thoughts of a mother who has a son about to deploy.

Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:53 pm
Lady Libertarian -- Troops have no "Rights". They are the property of the US Military.

Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:56 pm
I really dont understand the conversation in this thread. It doesnt seem to have anything to do with the linked blog post, in more than a very vague, general anti-foc, anti-republican sentiment.

Again, if this is true, where is the link? There does not appear to be any proof that i can find that the Department of Defense has limited Troops access to Fox news, as the Blog claims.


Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 6:59 pm
"Yesterday, we released news of the Department of Defense restricting access to Fox News at military installations. "

Really? why isnt there ANY mention of it anywhere other than this blog's "unattributed source"?

Again, I am IN NO WAY defending Fox, or Bush, or anyone, really. I'm just asking how the quotes statement above is true.

Is that really that difficult to answer one way or another?

Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 7:00 pm
Or is this just a way to drive up traffic to your blog, Robert?

Sir Walk F (124)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 7:04 pm
UPDATE: okay, i see the DOD is limiting access to certain websites, but still nothing about Fox.

Quite the 'article', Robert.

Nancy L (141)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 7:09 pm
Sir Walk I suspected when I first read the "article" it is a rumor or in my opinion wishful thinking.
Is it just me or have you also noticed the hypocrisy of those who bash Fox news. I mean really, just mention FOX and you get the most vile comments directed toward it comes

Laurie W (189)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 7:51 pm
First of all NE L...I refused to listen to "bashers, and sccummers" I do not judge who the broadcaster is female.male, black, white..however those that don't just report news but stir the crap pot should line themselves up on a nightly variety show.I want the news reported accurately, and I will decide if I need to find out more facts and then I'll do just that.
As far as this article well it was listed as a news was printed. it's on the site and if there are facts not listed well then if you read the article it states the info was given to the person writing the article...Not report a source??...oh my gosh that's never happened before...oops wait..there was that one guy who spilled his guts to two reporters...sure everyone here has seen the movie based on the Watergate ?? The reporters never revealed their source so it's not uncommon...Please don't jump on Robert...He found the article and it is important news...for any broadcast station to have total control ...or not allowed to be televised in certain areas is NEWS.I personally don't want any controls to be placed on anyone's choices...Until all the facts are known it's best not to make assumptions either way...Meanwhile members here were communicating their own or con does it matter..problems are solved with communication.....

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 8:13 pm
Why attack Boots? Maybe a little jealousy. NE L say say something we haven't heard you say before. Those who beleive FOX news are those incapable of discerning from fact from fiction and no real thoughts of their own. Those who believe the FOX lies are fortunately in the minority.

. (0)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 8:29 pm
Carrie you have got me wrong there..I beleive that the right wing have taken and twisted patriotism,which is what Fox has the point made by Robert that those who complained about unremmitting Fox propaganda were branded unpatriotic.I would also add that those who questioned the Iraq invasion were labelled unpatriotic (look at O'Reilly's treatment of Jeremy Glick,whose father died in 9/11 ..Glick was branded unpatriotic..when in truth he was acting very patriotically in questioning the war) .The right feels it has a monoploly on patriotism has not ,and never will have.I am not talking about conscripts Carrie..I am talking about ex girlfriend's son joined the military..we made sure he knew what he was doing..that he was making an informed choice.
I want people to question,it's a far safer world where we all act with a moral compass..
I am a patriot to William Blake or George Orwell ..I love the people,the welfare state,and our battling spirit,I don't like our colonial past or the monarchy particularly..nor the fag ends of the aristocracy.I totally agree that not all patriots are right wing..I am a left wing patriot myself.
Where I disagree with you,with much respect Carrie,is in the idea that either of our country's recent wars are fought to keep us free..Vietnam wasn't on your part..and Suez just as an example wasn't on ours.Some of our wars have been motivated by the worst impulses,some by better impulses..I think anyone joining up,should read up first..and then make a judgement.I don't denigrate those who join up,so much as I used to point was that poor,working class kids give the most..and gain the least from war..while drum banging hawks were usually bought out by a rich daddy..this disgusts me.
I find right wing patriotism as represented by Fox to be narrow,bigotted,imperialistic,racist and class driven.
As for this article..I know that Robert acts with integrity..and beleive we must wait until the content of this piece is confirmed or denied.Many good news items are not covered by the major news agancies these reporters are fewer..and news agencies (reuters et al)do not have the capacity to make up for the shocking world wide decline in investigative reporting and journalistic values...

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 8:35 pm
I stand corrected Panda. Thank you.

Robert K (437)
Wednesday September 23, 2009, 9:13 pm
Well on the pompous remarks made by a couple of dudes here, I would be inclined to agree with Tolstoy. In regards to such labels Tolstoy said, 'Every action of theirs, that seems to them an act of their own free will, is in an historical sense not free at all, but in bondage to the whole course of previous history, and predestined from all eternity'. Accordingly,i.e., these poor illusional jokers.

Marion Y (322)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 2:52 am
Hanged [Kentucky] Census worker had 'fed' on chest

I wonder what Rep. Michelle "I'm refusing to fill out the census" Bachman (R-MN) thinks about this hanging?

This comes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi expressed worry that something terrible would come from the right-wing rhetoric and frenzy of the tea baggers...and the republicans laughed at her.

What has this hanging got to do with this Fox News Story thread?


Marion Y (322)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 4:12 am
Panda: "I know that Robert acts with integrity..and beleive we must wait until the content of this piece is confirmed or denied.Many good news items are not covered by the major news agancies these reporters are fewer..and news agencies (reuters et al)do not have the capacity to make up for the shocking world wide decline in investigative reporting and journalistic values..."

I can't agree with you more. Thank you for your wisdom, Panda...and for backing Robert, as I do.

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 1:15 pm
NE L, You got that right. Fox Noise is the most vile garbage polluting the air waves.
The comments directed at you are no where near as vile. You'll have to be much more obnoxious to acheive that level of 'vile'.

Thursday September 24, 2009, 3:15 pm
"Is it just me or have you also noticed the hypocrisy of those who bash Fox news. I mean really, just mention FOX and you get the most vile comments directed toward you"

And how is calling vileness vile hypocritical?

Sir Walk F (124)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 6:47 pm
So, still no one is able to provide any evidence of this allegation that the DOD has limited troop access to Fox?

Just a bunch of hyperbole and circular talk.

Most of you are as bad as those you condemn.

Sir Walk F (124)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 6:49 pm
What is "Vile" about fox is they report "Rumor" as "News."

I really see no difference in the above blog post. It isn't NEWS. IT's rumor from unverified sources.


Nancy L (141)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 6:51 pm

Sir Walk F (124)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 7:53 pm
"And how is calling vileness vile hypocritical? "

The article in question makes egregious claims with no proof. And yet that is the accusation level at Fox. That is the hypocrisy.

Should I make a flow-chart? Or can you follow?

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 8:12 pm
You had better make the flowchart Sir W...There are none so blind as those who cannot see?

Thursday September 24, 2009, 10:40 pm
Make your flow chart. Whether or not this story is true doesn't change the fact that FOX news does pass lies off as news and people are right to call it what it is. I hardly think Robert K. posted this article with the deliberate intent of lying or distorting the truth. FOX news on the other hand has made a cottage industry out of doing so.

If the person who did write the article lied deliberately, then they hardly represent the average person who criticizes FOX news because they're intelligent enough to see through the crap they broadcast.

Now shall I make a flow chart for YOU, or can YOU follow?

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 24, 2009, 11:28 pm
Maybe there is little point in making a flowchart Thomas?...The Murdoch inspired Faux gnus has little to do with reality but is a truly admirable attempt to grab money from the pockets of the 'believers'...Rupert is not a fool, but are his followers fools? :-)

Friday September 25, 2009, 12:34 pm
Agreed. And yes, Murdoch's followers are most definitely fools.

Mandi T (367)
Friday September 25, 2009, 5:24 pm
Thank you SirRobert

Sir Walk F (124)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:10 pm
i fail to see how bringing up Fox New's obvious hypocrisy and lies is a good response to someone asking for any other link verifying this story.

In fact, it is engaging in the very same tactics being decried, which is the definition of hypocrisy. That is, avoiding the actual issue in favor of character assassination.

To state ONCE AGAIN, i dont know if the sotry is true or not. I just didnt understand the point of attacking NE L for just asking for a link.


Sir Walk F (124)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:14 pm
Okay, let's recap: Fox news is bad because they promote gossip as news, with little factual backing.

So, anyone asking for verification of the above 'story' is somehow defending Fox?

Yes, lease prepare that flow-chart for me, Thomas, because i really dont see how that is anything other than Hypocrisy.


Sir Walk F (124)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:23 pm
Really, ,this is sort of hypocritical partisan, blind behavior that typifies the idiots on both 'sides' of the political spectrum, and i find it truly disturbing that people i consider 'friends' feel the need to engage in character assassination and hyperbole instead of just answering a simple question about source verification.

If you cant stand a small bit of scrutiny, then you are no better than those you decry.

Nancy L (141)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:28 pm
Exactly. Thank You Sir Walk. It is astounding to me. The very people who consider themselves to be tolerant are the least tolerant of all.

Sir Walk F (124)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:34 pm
It's funny, you know. I suspect you and i disagree on politics, NE L, but i will still defend your right to ask a simple question without being jumped on by a bunch of reactionaries who cant stand a little scrutiny.

I personally hope the story is true. I cant stand fox and think it is the kind of one-sided, hyper-partisan pandering that is destroying our contiy's collective IQ.

But when i read it, my first though, as a professional writer, was 'where's the source?", "wheres the verification?" I was very disappointed to see so many jump on your (and then me) for merely asking for some kind if verification.

Sir Walk F (124)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:35 pm
---ouch, sorry for all the typos---

Nancy L (141)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:38 pm
My first thought also.

Nancy L (141)
Friday September 25, 2009, 6:44 pm
Yes, Sir Walk, we probably don't agree on much politically but, I do appreciate your objectiveness. That is a rare thing on care2.

Past Member (0)
Friday September 25, 2009, 7:56 pm
Sir WalkF says : 'I cant stand fox and think it is the kind of one-sided, hyper-partisan pandering that is destroying our contiy's collective IQ.'

NE L says : 'The very people who consider themselves to be tolerant are the least tolerant of all.'

Whom, in their right mind, would or should tolerate Fox and their 'kind of one-sided, hyper-partisan pandering that is destroying our contiy's collective IQ.'

NE L + Sir Walk F = ?????????

Nancy L (141)
Friday September 25, 2009, 8:03 pm
Oh for Pete sake!!!!

I meant that the liberals who attack me for asking a simple question espouse tolerance but show me none.


Past Member (0)
Friday September 25, 2009, 9:05 pm
I have no tolerance of someone that would defend Fox Noise, in any way. Aren't you guilty?

No Way (0)
Friday September 25, 2009, 9:49 pm
I think some of you have really lost it and will believe ANYTHING! This article is a BLOG and NOT NEWS, AND it's NOT even TRUE, because thera are NO News stories to connect the dots.

Nancy L (141)
Friday September 25, 2009, 9:52 pm

Carrie B (306)
Friday September 25, 2009, 10:54 pm
Many of want to believe that all those who are sacrificing for us are protected from the lies and anti-american views expressed by those at FAUX news. Hate, lies, and racicism have no place in any part of the NEWS media. Those who "preach" such propaganda and call themselves part of the real NEWS media are liars and should be condemened as such. THAT MEANS FOX!

No Way (0)
Friday September 25, 2009, 11:44 pm
That's funny, I suppose you think it's okay then to lie by omission as most of the mainstream media does, huh? The only reason to keep bitching about whatever Fox does, or not, is nothing but a silly childish game.

Perhaps you'd rather depend on the other channels to report everything, when they don't, and keep your head in the sand. Perhaps you'd rather watch those channels and never see another viewpoint, regardless if it might even be your own view too. Whichever the reasons, all I know is I will continue to see out my news from all sources, to get as much information as possible, so I can decide for myself. If this means Fox is part of the stationss I click onto with my remote each night, then so be it! I just don't get what difference it makes how they came into the business, and neither do the millions like me who watch them with great regularity.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 5:42 am
MyKink Star says : 'I think some of you have really lost it and will believe ANYTHING! '
'If this means Fox is part of the stationss I click onto with my remote each night, then so be it!'

You don't have to convince me.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:24 am
Even Faux Noise defenders will sign this petition, won't they?

Marion Y (322)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 8:44 am
An article worth reading...

Who controls Fox News

"Fox News starts every day telling us how "Fair & Balanced" they are. They have to keep telling their viewers that so that they will believe it, because nobody else does. Not even the folks that say it. When they are off the air they laugh. They wonder who believes this stuff. They want to tell you that they are your friends. They feel your pain.

What a joke. These guys have no idea what our lives are like. They all make more money than you and I and all our friends put together. They are paid big money to get the average person to be mad at the Democrats, or anybody, but the top 5% who pay their salary's.

What do those Richy riches at the top want Fox to do? They want to do away with "Yes we Can". They want it to read "No you Can't". They want the slogan of "Change" changed to "We like it the way it is"

They are counting on you to fall for the bull they spew. They want you to blame it on Obama. When we all know that Bush and his Bushwackers took all there was to take. Now they use "hate speak", "Race baiting" "Trash Talk" & let's not forget "Slander" to try and incite people to violence. People who are mad and want to lash out at someone, even if they don't know who to blame. Don't let them control your fears and manipulate your anger.

This is only the tip of the iceberg. I hope that Beck and his boys will realize that what they are doing is leading this country down a path of violence, but they already know that.

Fox News Channel was invented by the Republican party and the top 5% to be the front line of offense, in their attempt to not only destroy Obama, but to stop the people of the US from taking back what the Republicans and that top 5% have stolen from us.

They started their plan way back in the sixties when Kennedy was assassinated. After his death they took gold and silver from backing our money. Leading economists of that time said that without gold and silver backing our money, we were on the road to economic disaster. They said that the rich would get richer and the poor would get poorer. They said that they had let the evil monster called inflation out of the cage that it was put in by our founding fathers.

From the signing of the constitution until 1964 we had almost no inflation at all. From 1964 until today, who knows, 300%, 500%, 1000% ? They have been stealing from us for so long that they feel that they are entitled to keep doing it. They will do "ANYTHING" to stop any legislation that might stop them.

Don't be fooled. Fox is only a mouthpiece for the rich. Violence is only a tool to them. We need to counter their attacks with more information contradicting the lies that are being fed to those who are most affected by what has happened in the last 10 yrs. to our economy. Many people are mad. They will listen to anyone who points a finger of blame. We must find a way to get them to see the truth before Fox gets to them."

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 9:04 am
The Last Time Right-Wing Hatred Ran Wild Like This, a President Was Killed.

The casual observer might just think that Fox had an agenda far removed from 'fair and balanced'.
The ones paying attention should be exposing these traitors at any opportunity.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 9:07 am

Will all true Patriots, please sign this petition to help protect our Commander in Chief?

Marion Y (322)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 10:08 am
Thank you, MJ. I have signed the petition.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 10:48 am
Thank you, Marion. No doubt you are a true Patriot.

What is disturbing are the numbers in the rightwing that claim Patriotism for the justification of the hate they promote. Seems they have a different definition of Patriotism.

Saturday September 26, 2009, 1:08 pm
I signed as well, good petition. I didn't know the Secret Service had budget cuts, very very scary!

Jim Phillips (3247)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 1:49 pm
Petition for the funding of the SS to provide protection for Obama signed.


Carrie B (306)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 4:18 pm
Thank you MJ. This is the second such petition I have signed. I hope our signatures do some good.

Robert K (437)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:16 pm
Thanks MJ. According to a couple of the fanatical postulates here, one can't help but notice they are so sure of themselves, while the smarter ones commenting (by far the majority) are so full of doubts.

No Way (0)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 7:43 pm
Racism? Where was the outrage when the Obama's minister was preaching hatred? What about the green czar and his racist comments? Are those all okay?

Oh, and BOTH Republicans and Democrats watch and listen to Fox News. It IS NOT just for 'right wingers' but for those who want the whole story!

Christine J (12)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 8:50 pm
Fox news "The whole story" LOL. Give me a break !!!!!!

Christine J (12)
Saturday September 26, 2009, 8:56 pm
Thank you, MJ. I have also signed the petition

Monday September 28, 2009, 2:07 pm
If Democrats watch Fox news, it's to keep track of the latest methods the radical right is employing to smear our President. Those who want the "whole story" and are not thoroughly blind, get much of their news from BBC America, NPR and other public (not bought and paid for by industry) news sources. As far as President Obama's EX-ministers comments, they're not President Obama's sentiments, and I do believe our President has distanced himself from Reverend Wright. His green czars comments (along the lines of the Republicans being SOB's or a-holes or whatever he said) were takes out of context. He was referring not to the people, but to the methodology employed by the Republicans for getting things done.

Nancy L (141)
Monday September 28, 2009, 3:15 pm
Thomas, I know many dems who watch Fox news and it is because the lame stream media does not report news. You are right about BBC and NPR, I get my news from there as well as FOX and other sources.

Ask yourself this....why is FOX rating 3 times that of any other news source? Because people seek truth!

It took other news outlets weeks to pick up the story on ACORN, and then only because they had to so as not to look even more foolish than they already did. Real journalists have been digging into that story for months.

Past Member (0)
Monday September 28, 2009, 3:37 pm
Fox and the truth? I feel sorry for you, NE. Who came up with that rating, Rupert himself?

Marion Y (322)
Monday September 28, 2009, 4:42 pm
"why is FOX rating 3 times that of any other news source? Because people seek truth! "

Fair and Balanced? Fox should change their theme to FIXED and FORCED.

There are several reasons why Fox dominates the market. The main reason being that Comcast charges MORE money for channels like MSNBC and DirectTV and other carriers do not offer MSNBC in some areas. Part of the problem in the US, at least, is that FoxNews can be found everywhere (every single cableco and sat company carries it - it's the only way Murdoch allows any other Fox channel to be carried), while others like CNN, MSNBC, etc are segmented off, and not universally carried by all cablecos, etc. in all markets.

Fox news deals with sensationalism. They sell their news very well and I would venture to say that they do it better than anyone in the entire business ever has. They sell everything that Americans want and that is sex, hyped media, and blubbering retards. Every single female news anchor they have is gorgeous...Boobs and legs matter, not critical thinking. They sensationalize just about every news story they have. And they do not really tell people that guys like Billo and Beck are just guys giving their opinion but they sell those two men as real, valid factual news anchors.

The dumbing down of America is in progress. Flash and dash, with little journalist integrity and you have a circus show to attract circus goers.

Finally, since the republicans lost power, a number of liberals watch to catch the mistakes of the clowns and many find it has become a real treat to watch their impotent rage. Republicans were a disaster in power but oddly entertaining now they have lost it. They are soooo mad all the time. It's like watching a zoo exhibit. Personally, I don't watch the show but get clips from Olbermann and Maddow.

So, yes, Fixed News has the numbers for now, but most of those numbers are forced fed and not realistic...bought and paid for like the clowns who report their "news".

Monday September 28, 2009, 6:11 pm
"Ask yourself this....why is FOX rating 3 times that of any other news source? Because people seek truth!"

Yes, and for good reason given the state of American media today. But are they FINDING it at Fox news? Not likely. The complaint against them is not necessarily so much that they lie (they do plenty of that as well), but that they spend their time reporting on relatively meaningless, unimportant stories, distorting what info they do have, as opposed to concentrating on what Americans REALLY need to know, such as waste, fraud, and corruption in our government.

Monday September 28, 2009, 6:14 pm
Then again, I think Marion said it much better than I.

No Way (0)
Monday September 28, 2009, 8:13 pm
What? Now I understand your problem, after reading this: "Personally, I don't watch the show but get clips from Olbermann and Maddow."

I got sick and too damned tired of watching Obermann with him talking so much every single night about Fox News, that I finally turned the channel and saw it for myself. I mean, come on, his whole show is his version of what's going on over there, so why not see for yourself, to see what's being taken out of context? And for sure, much of it is taken to suit his needs, to make his lameass points. It's hard to believe you can't see that for yourself, to see that what you claim others are doing and being by watching Fox, explains YOU exactly IF you're depending on MSNBC or Blogs to give you their opinion and then claim it as your own! Geez!

Marion Y (322)
Tuesday September 29, 2009, 7:16 am
"I got sick and too damned tired"

It's obvious you are still sick and damned tired. Life got you down? It doesn't have to be that way. Sometimes a nap works. Anger management if it's a severe case.

No Way (0)
Tuesday September 29, 2009, 8:23 am
SHAME ON YOU MARION, for mocking me, AS IF I'm in need of help! There are truly people in need, who are disrespected by people - LIKE YOU, who think it's all just fun and games to point out their weaknesses! You doing this is typical for someone without anything to say though, to distract from the issue by being rude and demeaning.

All because I challenged your lameass reasoning for not watching Fox, blaming them for every single leftie misery, and whining about whatever they do - this according to you via whatever MSNBC talking heads CHOOSE to share with their kool-aid drinkers. Yeah, that's YOUR truth!

Okay, go ahead, post something else now and be sure to include yet another link in your posting . . . BORING.

Marion Y (322)
Tuesday September 29, 2009, 8:42 am
"All because I challenged your lameass reasoning"

Personal attacks, ALL CAPS. You need anger management. I must have hit a nerve. If you want a discussion, talk. If you want a fight, this isn't the place. From here on out you can play with yourself. I have no time for your inciting and ridiculous remarks that have no value.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 29, 2009, 9:05 am
Kinky, aren't you missing Billo?

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday September 29, 2009, 4:00 pm
Those out there who complain about MSNBC distorting the news, try watching Hardball with Chris Matthews. He lets all speak for themselves, proving that no one needs to distort what the right wing is saying. Just watch and listen to these fools speak for themselves. Also a poll recently showed that those who beleive in such things as the birther movement, and health care death panels are getting the majority of their information from FOX news! The poll also showed that the majority of these people were more likely to accept FOX news opinions on these subjects. Those viewing MSNBC and even CNN were more likely to question all news media and form their own opinions.

Wednesday September 30, 2009, 10:50 pm
I'd like to see that poll, hardly surprised at the results. Do you know who held the poll Carrie?

No Way (0)
Wednesday September 30, 2009, 11:55 pm
I suppose it was NOT PERSON when you accused me of needing help Marion, referring me to another copy/paste link? Oh, that's right, dish it out, BUT NEVER able to take it! SHAME ON YOU! No anger, no fighting, just truth and the caps are so you don't miss my intention to SHAME YOU. You want ridiculous, why not address the fact that you LET MSNBC tell you what's on Fox, instead of watching to see for yourself? BAAA . . .

Marion Y (322)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 8:30 am
Carrie...Good call. Also, it appears the White House has had enough of Fox News. Beck's days may be well as the right-wing fringe lies and liars...

White House Comes Back Swinging at FOX and Glenn Beck, Even Uses the Word "Lies." Yes, Fighting the Right Wing Hate Talk, Finally.


White House Calls Out Fox By Name For Lying
In a new post on the official White House blog, an administration official specifically names Fox News for lying about the administration's push to bring the Olympics to Chicago. "Last night Fox News continued its disregard for the facts," the post begins, "in an attempt to smear the Administration's efforts to win the Olympics for the United States."


Thursday October 1, 2009, 12:15 pm
Finally! Given that the White House has the truth on its side in its battle against the GOP and its media lackey, Fox News, a solid, concerted effort to show Fox News for what it is should be simple and effective, except of course for all the American idiots who are so plugged into Fox that they get their info from nowhere else.

Another method which might be MORE effective would be to fight fire with fire, use sensationalist lies and half-truths to attract lame-brained Fox news watchers (who require filthy gossip and dirt to get and hold their attention), after all, turn-about is fair play. For instance, the white house could launch a PR campaign claiming Glen Beck raped 3 children, ages 5-7 12 years ago and got away with it. Just get some civic-minded teenagers to claim it happened to them, use voice-masking and face-masking to conceal their identities (to protect the "innocent" of course) and put it all over CNN and a variety of papers and magazines. Then, Doctor some photos to show Bill O'Reilly having sex with a black man and "leak" them to the press. That type of trash will undoubtedly attract your typical Fox News viewer like flies to feces. Next, Fox News's CEO, managers (all recovering heroin and meth addicts) and finally Rupert Murdoch himself (pays women to dress him as an infant and defecate on him, hmm, that might actually be true). Problem solved.

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 12:50 pm
Thomas, I think you're on to something. Fire with fire, turn-about is fair play, what's good for the goose, pick your metaphor. All I know is that these neanderthals have been getting away with murder for too, too long. We progressives must get in their faces. It's the only thing they understand. No more Mr Nice guy.

Thursday October 1, 2009, 8:17 pm
Yes, MJ M. After all, one of the big complaints launched by haters against the Democrats is that Democrats are spineless, gutless wimps. Admittedly, there are too few instances in the last 20 years to prove otherwise. The Repubs have been playing this dirty for how long now? They've taken political sleazery to a new low again and again. If The Democrats had quickly followed suit, the Bush "presidency" might never have taken place.

What has the argument been for NOT sinking to their level? Something along the lines of "we're the good guys, we don't do such things, the American people will see we're better than that". EPIC FAILURE! Yes, we're the good guys in that progressives choose people over corporations and the filthy rich, but corporations and the filthy rich (in most cases) have no such scruples, and have a vastly less favorable opinion of the intelligence of the American public, an opinion that has served them all too well. If our side had been willing to play these games tit for tat a long time ago, they might have prevented the money grubbers from sinking to the lows they have. The Democrats have made it MUCH too easy for their opposition!

Marion Y (322)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 8:36 pm
I'd like to throw out the repubs AND dems. They are two sides of the same coin. The repubs spend our money in wars, deregulation and corruption. While the dems work to balance the deficit and fix the damage done by the repubs to build up the bank again. Yet, they are both corrupt, working for corporations and the elites, not the people. While this isn't absolute, it sure seems that way. We don't know who to trust anymore. And just when things start getting hazy for them, they jump ship and latch on to the opposite Specter.

Somehow, we must wrest control our of the hands of these crooks and give it back to the people.

Friday October 2, 2009, 12:09 am
Somehow indeed, but how?

David B (34)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 8:28 am
happy too see someone is taking action in someway! i've always been curious as to how an auzzie can call the shots for an american(and i'm not sure if you can call fox american)media outlet.anywho well done at a first step!! now if it could only be a lil quicker!! thanks Robert
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