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The US Psychological Torture System Finally on Trial: America Has Deliberately Driven 100s, Perhaps 1,000s, of Prisoners INSANE

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: torture, trial, insane, prisoners, not, fit to stand trial, interogation methods, Bush administration )

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Cruel methods US has used since September 11 to "break" prisoners finally put on trial. Bush administration's plan was to try José Padilla for being linked to al-Qaida. A man driven insane by gov't is NOT fit to stand trial, plead his lawyers


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M. Y (54)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 8:09 am
I know that life is not always just, but I would really love to see Bush and his henchmen put on trial for all their crimes against humanity.

LucyKaleido S (82)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 8:50 am

It is an outrage that these practices, which clearly lead to insanity, were knowingly and deliberately used on prisoners whose guilt was far from proven (not to say that guilt would have in any way justified their use); these ARE crimes against humanity ! And inhuman crimes, which dehumanize those who submit others to them.

Here is the article, written by one of my favorites, Naomi Klein, for the Guardian:

America has deliberately driven hundreds, perhaps thousands, of prisoners insane. Now it is being held to account in a Miami court

Naomi Klein
The Guardian

Something remarkable is going on in a Miami courtroom. The cruel methods US interrogators have used since September 11 to "break" prisoners are finally being put on trial. This was not supposed to happen. The Bush administration's plan was to put José Padilla on trial for allegedly being part of a network linked to international terrorists. But Padilla's lawyers are arguing that he is not fit to stand trial because he has been driven insane by the government.

Arrested in May 2002 at Chicago's O'Hare airport, Padilla, a Brooklyn-born former gang member, was classified as an "enemy combatant" and taken to a navy prison in Charleston, South Carolina. He was kept in a cell 9ft by 7ft, with no natural light, no clock and no calendar. Whenever Padilla left the cell, he was shackled and suited in heavy goggles and headphones. Padilla was kept under these conditions for 1,307 days. He was forbidden contact with anyone but his interrogators, who punctured the extreme sensory deprivation with sensory overload, blasting him with harsh lights and pounding sounds. Padilla also says he was injected with a "truth serum", a substance his lawyers believe was LSD or PCP.
According to his lawyers and two mental health specialists who examined him, Padilla has been so shattered that he lacks the ability to assist in his own defence. He is convinced that his lawyers are "part of a continuing interrogation program" and sees his captors as protectors. In order to prove that "the extended torture visited upon Mr Padilla has left him damaged", his lawyers want to tell the court what happened during those years in the navy brig. The prosecution strenuously objects, maintaining that "Padilla is competent" and that his treatment is irrelevant.

The US district judge Marcia Cooke disagrees. "It's not like Mr Padilla was living in a box. He was at a place. Things happened to him at that place." The judge has ordered several prison employees to testify on Padilla's mental state at the hearings, which began yesterday. They will be asked how a man who is alleged to have engaged in elaborate anti-government plots now acts, in the words of brig staff, "like a piece of furniture".

It's difficult to overstate the significance of these hearings. The techniques used to break Padilla have been standard operating procedure at Guantánamo Bay since the first prisoners arrived five years ago. They wore blackout goggles and sound-blocking headphones and were placed in extended isolation, interrupted by strobe lights and heavy metal music. These same practices have been documented in dozens of cases of "extraordinary rendition" carried out by the CIA, as well as in prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many have suffered the same symptoms as Padilla. According to James Yee, a former army Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo, there is an entire section of the prison called Delta Block for detainees who have been reduced to a delusional state. "They would respond to me in a childlike voice, talking complete nonsense. Many of them would loudly sing childish songs, repeating the song over and over." All the inmates of Delta Block were on 24-hour suicide watch.

Human Rights Watch has exposed a US-run detention facility near Kabul known as the "prison of darkness" - tiny pitch-black cells, strange blaring sounds. "Plenty lost their minds," one former inmate recalled. "I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors."

These standard mind-breaking techniques have never faced scrutiny in an American court because the prisoners in the jails are foreigners and have been stripped of the right of habeas corpus - a denial that, scandalously, was just upheld by a federal appeals court in Washington DC. There is only one reason Padilla's case is different - he is a US citizen. The administration did not originally intend to bring Padilla to trial, but when his status as an enemy combatant faced a supreme court challenge, the administration abruptly changed course, charging Padilla and transferring him to civilian custody. That makes Padilla's case unique - he is the only victim of the post-9/11 legal netherworld to face an ordinary US trial.

Now that Padilla's mental state is the central issue in the case, the government prosecutors are presented with a problem. The CIA and the military have known since the early 1960s that extreme sensory deprivation and sensory overload cause personality disintegration - that's the whole point. "The deprivation of stimuli induces regression by depriving the subject's mind of contact with an outer world and thus forcing it in upon itself. At the same time, the calculated provision of stimuli during interrogation tends to make the regressed subject view the interrogator as a father-figure." That comes from Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation, a declassified 1963 CIA manual for interrogating "resistant sources".

The manual was based on the findings of the agency's notorious MK-ULTRA programme, which in the 1950s funnelled about $25m to scientists to carry out research into "unusual techniques of interrogation". One of the psychiatrists who received CIA funding was the infamous Ewen Cameron, of Montreal's McGill University. Cameron subjected hundreds of psychiatric patients to large doses of electroshock and total sensory isolation, and drugged them with LSD and PCP. In 1960 Cameron gave a lecture at the Brooks air force base in Texas, in which he stated that sensory deprivation "produces the primary symptoms of schizophrenia".

There is no need to go so far back to prove that the US military knew full well that it was driving Padilla mad. The army's field manual, reissued just last year, states: "Sensory deprivation may result in extreme anxiety, hallucinations, bizarre thoughts, depression, and antisocial behaviour" - as well as "significant psychological distress".

If these techniques drove Padilla insane, that means the US government has been deliberately driving hundreds, possibly thousands, of prisoners insane around the world. What is on trial in Florida is not one man's mental state. It is the whole system of US psychological torture.

· Naomi Klein's book on disaster capitalism will be published this spring; a version of this article appears in the Nation

LucyKaleido S (82)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 9:06 am

An excerpt from the NY Times coverage of the trial:

Yesterday (March 1st) Judge Marcia Cooke of the Federal District Court in Miami ruled against Mr. Padilla’s defense lawyers, who argued that his abusive confinement was so traumatic that he could not assist them in a trial. They had wanted to send Mr. Padilla to a hospital for treatment first.

That still leaves the far bigger question of whether Mr. Padilla was tortured, as he has claimed. For there to be a trial, Judge Cooke will have to rule that Mr. Padilla was not tortured, and she made a point of saying yesterday that her ruling on his competence was not a judgment on the torture claim.

At one point in the mental competency hearing, a prosecutor wanted to introduce what he said was a Qaeda manual instructing captured operatives to claim torture even if none had occurred. Judge Cooke refused, pointing out that there was no evidence that Mr. Padilla had ever heard of the manual, much less studied it. The government has yet to show evidence that Mr. Padilla was even a member of Al Qaeda.

The government’s arguments at the hearing sounded ridiculous and shameful. Prosecutors said Mr. Padilla always seemed fine to his jailers, but it was his jailers who did things like standing on his bare feet with boots so they could shackle him. The brig psychologist testified that he had spoken to Mr. Padilla only twice, once when he was first detained, and two years later — through a slit in his cell door.

When a psychologist testified for the defense that Mr. Padilla was “an anxiety-ridden, broken individual,” the prosecution said her tests were invalid — because the jailers had kept Mr. Padilla handcuffed throughout.

We will probably never know if Mr. Padilla was a would-be terrorist. So far, this trial has been a reminder of how Mr. Bush’s policy on prisoners has compromised the judicial process. And it has confirmed the world’s suspicions of the United States’ stooping to the very behavior it once stood against.

LucyKaleido S (82)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 9:35 am
On the TalkLeft site, this was posted in January:
Good news on the Jose Padilla front: His federal court trial has been continued from January 22 until April, so that a full mental evaluation can be performed.

From an article on TalkLeft :
....Dr. Angela Hegarty, director of forensic psychiatry at the Creedmoor Psychiatric Center in Queens, N.Y., who examined Mr. Padilla for a total of 22 hours in June and September, said in an affidavit filed Friday that he “lacks the capacity to assist in his own defense.”

“It is my opinion that as the result of his experiences during his detention and interrogation, Mr. Padilla does not appreciate the nature and consequences of the proceedings against him, is unable to render assistance to counsel, and has impairments in reasoning as the result of a mental illness, i.e., post-traumatic stress disorder, complicated by the neuropsychiatric effects of prolonged isolation,” Dr. Hegarty said in an affidavit for the defense.


LucyKaleido S (82)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 9:45 am

Incompetence and Egregious Government Misconduct
The Tragic Case of Jose Padilla

By ELAINE CASSEL, CounterPunch, March 8, 2007
(Elaine Cassel practices law in Virginia and the District of Columbia and teaches law and psychology.)

Last week, U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke ruled that American citizen Jose Padilla, who is now facing terrorism charges in Miami, Florida, is competent to stand trial.

In spite of the troubling legal and moral aspects of this case, Judge Cooke's ruling was in line with what many other judges would have done in her position.

In order to put the competence issue in context, it is necessary to review the long and unprecedented history of the U.S. government's cases against Jose Padilla. Cases involving Padilla have been before federal courts in New York, South Carolina, and now Florida, and back and forth to the U.S. Supreme Court on three occasions.

It all began with Padilla's arrest on May 8, 2002, at Chicago's O'Hare Airport, on a material witness warrant, issued by a New York federal district court in connection with a grand jury investigation into the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Donna Newman, a private attorney appointed by a New York City federal judge to represent Padilla, filed a motion to vacate the warrant. Before the motion could be decided, however, Padilla was moved, in the dark of night and without notice to Newman, to a Navy brig in Charleston, South Carolina. President Bush had named him an "enemy combatant." The government claimed, at the time, that Padilla was part of a plot to detonate "dirty bombs" and blow up apartment buildings in the U.S. (Later, as noted below, it developed that the government apparently could not prove these charges.)

Meanwhile, even though Padilla was in South Carolina, Padilla's attorneys fought for the release of their client in the New York district and appellate courts. Both courts ruled in favor of Padilla . The government then sought review from the U.S. Supreme Court, arguing, among other things, that the New York courts had no jurisdiction due to Padilla's move to South Carolina. The Supreme Court agreed, and, in Rumsfeld v. Padilla, in June 2004, the Court decided, 5-4, to dismiss the case as improperly filed.

Padilla's attorneys then began anew in challenging Padilla's detention as an enemy combatant. They refiled their case in U.S. District Court in Charleston, South Carolina. The federal district court judge ordered Padilla charged or released within 30 days. The government promptly appealed. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, the most politically conservative federal appeals court in the country, reversed the district court.

Of course, Padilla's attorneys appealed this ruling to the Supreme Court. Court watchers expected this to be a crucial test of the limits--if any--the high court would put on the Bush Administration's claim of sweeping wartime powers. Then, the case took a surprising turn.

Weeks before the Supreme Court was scheduled to vote on whether to accept the appeal, the government notified Padilla's attorneys that it was transferring him to Miami, Florida, to face criminal charges in federal court for involvement in a vague terrorist conspiracy. The indictment was devoid of any mention of dirty bombs or blowing up apartment buildings -- presumably because these prior claims could not be proven.

Even though Padilla's attorneys agreed to the transfer--after all, what they wanted for their client was a day in court--in an amazing move, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals refused to allow it. An angry Judge Michael Luttig -- an ardent Bush supporter who was reportedly short-listed for what became Justice Samuel Alito's seat on the Supreme Court -- accused the government of playing fast and loose with the facts and with the court. How could Padilla be an enemy combatant one day, and a criminal defendant the next? The government appealed the Fourth Circuit's order to the Supreme Court, which found no legal basis to thwart the Justice Department's request.

Meanwhile, the petition for review of the initial Fourth Circuit ruling -- upholding Padilla's "enemy combatant" detention -- was still pending before the Supreme Court. Indeed, it appeared that the reason the government transferred Padilla to Miami was in a bid to moot the chance review would be granted.

Doubtless, the government did so because it did not want to take the chance of another ruling like Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. There, writing for a 5-4 majority, Justice O'Connor famously stated that war is not a blank check for the president. Accordingly, the Court held that Yaser Hamdi (a dual citizen of the U.S. and Saudi Arabia captured abroad) could not be held indefinitely in a military brig as an "enemy combatant." (Shortly after the Court's ruling, the government released Hamdi, and flew him to Saudi Arabia -- an action that severely undermined the rationale for his detention, which had occurred based on the claim he was a highly dangerous enemy combatant.)

Unlike Hamdi, however, Padilla never got his day before the high court. In April 2006, only three Justices (four are needed) voted to grant the appeal. Two written opinions accompanied the decision to decline review. Both Justice Kennedy (who wrote in favor of the decision) and Justice Ginsburg (who argued that review should have been granted) focused on the potential mootness issue -- caused by the fact Padilla was no longer confined based on an "enemy combatant" designation.

The Incompetence Claim

Since April 2006, the focus has shifted to Judge Clarke's courtroom. She dismissed some of the criminal charges against Padilla, finding them insufficiently supported by facts, only to have them reinstated by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit.

Last week, with Padilla's case set for trial in April, Judge Clarke turned her attention to Padilla's claim that he was mentally incompetent to stand trial.

In support of this claim, the defense's mental health experts testified that Padilla was suffering from post-traumatic syndrome (PTSD), an anxiety disorder suffered by people exposed to an extreme trauma.

People with PTSD experience three different kinds of symptoms: reliving the trauma through flashbacks and dreams; becoming upset when faced with reminders of the traumatic event; and avoiding reminders of the trauma by self-isolation and emotional detachment.

PTSD is a weak diagnosis on which to hang an incompetence defense. The Supreme Court made clear in 1985, in Ake v. Oklahoma, that to be deemed competent to stand trial, a defendant need only be able to understand the charges against him, the possible penalty if he is convicted, the adversarial nature of the legal process, and be able to assist his attorneys in his defense.

Padilla's attorneys have focused on that last requirement -- Padilla's ability to assist them in his defense. They have said that, for example, Padilla was reluctant to discuss the case with them, and that he shut down, refused to talk to them, and appeared panicked or distraught when they attempted to question him. They have reported that he sometimes seemed unable to distinguish between them and his government prison guards and interrogators, at whose hands he said he was repeatedly tortured. They added, as well, that he refused to listen to tapes of his prison interrogation -- tapes that will be a significant part of the prosecution's case against him at trial.

Judge Cooke nevertheless found that Padilla was competent to assist in his defense. It was clear that her own observations of Padilla in her courtroom factored into her decision. She noted that over the months he had been in her courtroom, he had appeared attentive to the proceedings and his attorneys. She

also referred to an affidavit he signed concerning his claims of torture. Padilla's attorneys could not have ethically presented the affidavit to the court, had Padilla not been the source of the affidavit, and read and understood what he was signing. Finally, it may have affected the judge's decision that, on the first day Padilla appeared before her, she was able to order that his chains and shackles be removed, as he appeared to be no threat to courtroom safety, and this has continued. Indeed, his prison guards have testified that he is a docile prisoner.

The Kind of Defendants That Are -- And Are Not -- Found to Be Mentally Incompetent

That Padilla looked and acted "competent" points out the practical realities relating to a claim of incompetence. Only a handful of defendants are found incompetent. When they are, it is generally obvious, even to an untrained observer, that they are mentally ill. R

egardless of the psychiatric label, a defendant who appears to be in his "right mind" -- that is, one who is well behaved, and is neither hallucinating nor talking gibberish -- simply is not going to be found incompetent.

Consider the case of Russell Weston, who in 1998 stormed the U.S. Capitol building with a .38 caliber handgun. He was on a mission, he said, to dismantle the "Ruby Satellite System" that was spreading a deadly disease. He shot and killed two police officers because, he said, they were getting in the way of his reaching the controls of the system. However, he explained, they only appeared to be dead; they would wake up when he gave the order.

Weston was found incompetent, and ordered to be medicated in order to regain competence. To this day he is hospitalized in a North Carolina federal prison hospital, still being medicated. Even the government's experts say that Weston will likely never be competent to be tried.

A more recent example is Andrea Yates, the Texas mother who murdered her five children by drowning. She was originally found to be incompetent because she was diagnosed as being profoundly depressed reported auditory hallucinations. She was hospitalized, medicated, found competent, and tried within three months.

Neither Padilla's diagnosis nor his demeanor fit the stereotype of an incompetent defendant.

Will Judge Clarke Dismiss the Case Based on Egregious Government Misconduct?

Still pending, before Judge Cooke, is Padilla's motion to dismiss the charges based on the government's egregiously inhumane treatment.

Affidavits from Padilla and his attorneys detail outrageous conditions of confinement, particularly while he was held as an "enemy combatant," and not yet charged with a crime. Allegations not disputed by the government include long periods of sensory deprivation, interspersed with periods of extreme noise and constant bright lights to deprive Padilla of sleep; solitary confinement for now more than five years; and denial of access to an attorney for two years. The government disputes Padilla's sworn allegations of physical torture that include beatings, injection with mind-altering drugs, and denial of medical treatment.

If Padilla's motion to dismiss on these grounds were granted, it could benefit the hundreds of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who have been held in similar conditions for more than five years, too. But there is little chance, in my view, that the motion will be granted.

In the 1973 case of U.S. v. Russell, the Court's opinion -- written by then-Justice Rehnquist -- conceded that there could, in theory, be an instance where government mistreatment of a criminal defendant is such an outrageous deprivation of due process that the charges against him should be dismissed. Yet besides this, there is little precedent to support Padilla's request.

Moreover, even if Judge Cooke were to dismiss the charges -- for she has indicated she is appalled by the conditions of Padilla's confinement -- the government would doubtless appeal to the Eleventh Circuit, and Judge Cooke likely would be reversed again.

I predict that some day the Supreme Court will hear the merits of Jose Padilla's case. It will not be able to stand on technicalities forever. Whatever it does decide about the constitutionality of the way Padilla has been treated by his own government for years, the decision will have profound importance to every American who presumes, perhaps wrongly, that rights of due process, the rule of law, and fair play--long held to be hallmarks of our justice system--still mean something today.

Elaine Cassel practices law in Virginia and the District of Columbia and teaches law and psychology. She doesn't like being lied to. Her new book The War on Civil Liberties: How Bush and Ashcroft Have Dismantled the Bill of Rights, is published by Lawrence Hill. She can be reached at:

David Smith (25)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 10:30 am
G.W is a criminal and should be treated accordingly.

Michael Angel (58)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 3:48 pm
The CIA researched torture in various schools of Psychology in the 60s and 70's.
THE MOST effective was shown to be sensory deprivation, breaking someone down within 24 hours.
The CIA uses some form of sensory deprivation eg Guantanamo bay, for years.
Yet people don't see this as-or call- it torture.
It is.
Wake up America, your democratic principles are dead. Killed not by terrorists but by your own government.

nurith k (93)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 10:24 pm
why not send bush and his conies to that torture jail as prisoners in block delta, and let the inmates of this torture prison deal with them??? that would be real justice in my opinion!!!

Michael Angel (58)
Saturday March 24, 2007, 10:42 pm
Is Bush mad?
How can he get away with flouting all the basic building blocks of a democracy
in a country that puts itself up as a democratic ideal to follow????

Brenda R (6)
Sunday March 25, 2007, 2:34 am
Bush believes that he is immortal for some reason. That none of what he does will ever hit home. What comes around goes around. He will get his judgement hopefully soon. ( And those involved as well)

Deborah Imperfect Vessel (7)
Sunday March 25, 2007, 2:35 am
This is very very sad but blaming Bush for this we would then have to line up just about every president for the last century. The terrorists are to blame period. This goes on in military prisons and they have been around a long time it should stop there first. On Sept. 11 this would not have batted anyones eye lash nor have been enough to quench the pain. I have never approved of abuse to get information yet I see jeers in the movie theater when "information" is recieved by the star in that way,it seems everyones thinking must be changed. George Bush is a excellent President cursed with the misfortune of one of the most difficult terms in history. President ScapeGoat

LucyKaleido S (82)
Sunday March 25, 2007, 2:36 pm

For a very interesting discussion of the effects of seeing scenes of torture on TV or in films, copy and paste the following:

Maureen S (122)
Sunday March 25, 2007, 4:53 pm
In so many ways, and on so many levels, this is so disturbing; and yet at the same time, it's not at all surprising to me. When you consider the "dumbing down" of America, of our military, and of our culture by the Bush administration, this is within the scope of all the illegal actions they have taken. The shredding on the Constitution, which Bush supposedly swore to protect and defend, is obviously not at the top of their list. Rather, it's determining who the "enemy" is, citizen or not, and then going after them to their complete and utter distruction.

How can we sit back and watch this? The answer is we can't!!! And we don't for the most part here at Care2; however, it seems that we need some good ole 1960s type protests to show Congress that the '06 votge was just a warm up!!! This man will not ever be the same; and we have lost all credibility with the world. So much for Bush's infamous "restoration of honour and morals, and ethics" to the White House!!!

Rhonda L (24)
Sunday March 25, 2007, 10:25 pm
Any government that would allow such practices is CRIMINAL! I have stopped trusting most "governments" for the most part because this kind of crap is proof that they can't be trusted 100%

LucyKaleido S (82)
Monday March 26, 2007, 1:31 am

In the 1973 case of U.S. v. Russell, the Court's opinion -- written by then-Justice Rehnquist -- conceded that there could, in theory, be an instance where government mistreatment of a criminal defendant is such an outrageous deprivation of due process that the charges against him should be dismissed: This could be applied to Padilla, but the government would appeal and the decision broken in another court.

But it really shows how this anti-constitutional government of arrogant criminals has ulimately shot itself in its own foot: by so flagrantly depriving prisoners of due process, the gov't has provided them with grounds for dismissal and deprived the judicial system of the possibility of proving or disproving their guilt or their innocence !

LucyKaleido S (82)
Monday March 26, 2007, 1:31 am

In the 1973 case of U.S. v. Russell, the Court's opinion -- written by then-Justice Rehnquist -- conceded that there could, in theory, be an instance where government mistreatment of a criminal defendant is such an outrageous deprivation of due process that the charges against him should be dismissed: This could be applied to Padilla, but the government would appeal and the decision broken in another court.

But it really shows how this anti-constitutional government of arrogant criminals has ulimately shot itself in its own foot: by so flagrantly depriving prisoners of due process, the gov't has provided them with grounds for dismissal and deprived the judicial system of the possibility of proving or disproving their guilt or their innocence !

Michael Angel (58)
Monday March 26, 2007, 5:16 am
Pity the same does not apply to American allies like the Australian David Hicks in Guantanamo for 5 + years without charge.
Today he is arraigned.
I bet he is offered a deal to plead guilty so he can go home.

LucyKaleido S (82)
Monday March 26, 2007, 8:21 am

FIVE years in prison, without any charges filed: that is just unreal ! How many lives... and minds have been ruined !
If at least we knew that these arrests were the result of long, thorough investigation...but, no, most of these men were just rounded up on the streets, as though being in a certain place at a certain time was enough to declare someone 'enemy combattant.' It is so shameful; it has nothing to do with justice !

Eco M (197)
Wednesday April 4, 2007, 2:00 pm
History reveals daily how President Bush and his administration have seriously infected and dismembered many social and democratic tenets of our nation. WHY are we not doing anything about this?? We continue to turn a blind eye, we conveniently allow the outcrys of our citizens and the world to fall upon deaf ears, and we acquiesce to fascist paranoid notions of a ficitionalized reality. Will we Americans feel the guilt and the shame of being accomplices to a fascist and evil regime like the German people did under Adolf Hitler? Do we want that kind of mental health anguish for future generations of Americans??

How can we continue to honor a president who turns his back on the morals and values of this nation? How can we accept that he refuses to comply with the will of the people--- with the US Congress? He bypasses and frequently disregards the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and does what he pleases. This is not the behavior of an president. This is the behavior of a DICTATOR. How dare Mr. Bush and his administration condem or critize 'other' governments such as Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea. To me it appears that the AXIS of EVIL has set up shop and has occuppied North America for far too long.

I remeber reading a while back that Mr. Bush (or his family) was looking to purchase a ranch or farm in Uruguay. Interesting how he continues to follow the footsteps of those before the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler. They, too, attmepted to escape criminal prosecution by immigrating to countries in South America. Somehow, however, I do not believe that he would be safe even there. He is morphing into the world's most wanted criminal and terrorist, and whether it is the American hounds of the current US Congress, or the hounds of other nations in this world.......he will be served his justice, one way or another.

Gorgeous H (142)
Wednesday April 4, 2007, 2:07 pm
"The terrorists are to blame period. This goes on in military prisons and they have been around a long time it should stop there first."
THE TERRORISTS?? This is what i mean....WHEN?? for god'd sake will people in the USA WAKE UP and realize it is the US that terrorizes...and get over 911 already, that was six years ago. How many people have died in Iraq to rationalize and justify US imperialism.?? No-wonder the world sees Americans as arrogant and ignorant!

Gorgeous H (142)
Wednesday April 4, 2007, 3:38 pm
THE TERRORISTS?? This is what i mean....WHEN?? for god'd sake will people in the USA WAKE UP and realize it is the US that terrorizes...and get over 911 already, that was six years ago. How many people have died in Iraq to rationalize and justify US imperialism.?? No-wonder the world sees Americans as arrogant and ignorant!

LucyKaleido S (82)
Thursday April 5, 2007, 2:57 am

It's too easy and totally unjustifiable to blame "the terrorists" for the Bush administration's crimes against humanity and crimes against the US constitution and democracy. How can anyone be satisfied with a 'They made him do it' which is just shirking responsibility. Nobody 'made' this administration authorize torture, flout the Geneva Conventions or suspend Habeas Corpus: this was knowingly, carefully, made into policy !

To Bryan's many questions, I have just one : how can our Congress continue to let this administration remain in power instead of getting impeachment proceedings under way?
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