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The Nevada Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that MSNBC is not required to include candidate Dennis Kucinich in its scheduled Democratic presidential debate. The decision, which came one hour before the debate was scheduled to begin in Las Vegas,


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Scott Shaubel (816)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 9:23 am
As with Ron Paul, they will go to any lengths to mislead, misinform, and bury anything that might threaten their agenda.

Michael Owens (1647)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 10:54 am
I agree,As with Ron Paul, they will go to any lengths to mislead, misinform, and bury anything that might threaten their agenda. Most our leaders are so crooked! We the people dont seam to stand a chance! We need to take our Country back! And get rid of all the crooked Politicians. The Bushes Oil and Power and Bill and Hillery in their Money Londering for Drug Money!!! also just to start with!!!

Laura Hovland (129)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 11:09 am
If we want our democracy back, Kucinich and Paul supporters would do well to put aside any differences and work together for fair debates. Communication and joining together in actions supporting both or either candidate would be good for all. The time to start focusing on the next debates is now, using the energy and outrage caused by these latest developments.

Jessica C (178)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 12:05 pm
GE, a major war profiteer, owns NBC & MSNBC. Is it no wonder that they cut the only pro-peace Democrat from the debate? As I posted in my Fair Elections group, Ron Paul supporters should be alert to what is happening. Like Kucinich, he is against war for oil and empire. The war profiteer networks will silence him, as well.

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 4:45 pm
Bu$h Court, Bu$h rules.. long after Bu$h is gone.

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 6:28 pm
Noted and TY, freedom of the press, a GREAT new person shows ALL sides of a story, we all have our own opinion BUT we must listen to others. Many times I listened to 1 side and then later found out that side was wrong or, I was wrong. This is horrible

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 11:12 pm
I'm dumping the democrat party, I've had enough, what happened to these people.
Don't kid yourselve there are more people behind this than just GE and NBC
And just for the record GE wants slave labor.
Jonathan Tasini: Corporations Working Hard to Keep Chinese Slave Labor - Politics on The Huffington Post

Corporations Working Hard to Keep Chinese Slave Labor
Posted October 13, 2006 | 02:42 PM (EST)


Read More: Nike, Inc., China, Ford Motor Company, Shanghai, General Electric , Breaking Politics News

For a long time, I have argued that our problem with China is not really the difference in currency values nor, on its face, the trade deficit. At heart, the real issue is the truly abysmal working conditions faced by millions of Chinese workers--working conditions that are the reason corporations love China and love moving production overseas. And, now, I see corporations agree. Many of the largest corporations--many of whom contribute significant amounts of money to the Republican and Democratic parties and their candidates--are doing everything possible to keep their slave wage heaven in China. Check it out: this is one of the most important economic issues facing our country.

Since the spring, there has been a debate within China--ignored by the mainstream media in the U.S. and much of the world--about a new labor law in China. I want to say, upfront, that one has to view labor laws in China with a bit of skepticism since we are still talking about laws overseen by an authoritarian regime that carefully calibrates what is permissible or not.

Having said that, as The New York Times reports today, "China is planning to adopt a new law that seeks to crack down on sweatshops and protect workers' rights by giving labor unions real power for the first time since it introduced market forces in the 1980's."

This is fairly extraordinary, as is the response of multinational corporations: "The move, which underscores the government's growing concern about the widening income gap and threats of social unrest, is setting off a battle with American and other foreign corporations that have lobbied against it by hinting that they may build fewer factories here."

Part of what is motivating the consideration of the new labor law is, as the Times reports, a concern for the stability of Chinese society. Virtually every day in China, there are work actions, protests and strikes over the conditions faced by millions of workers in the rapidly expanding urban areas. The government fears that the widespread unrest could threaten its rule.

Up until now, China did its bidding for U.S. corporations. As the AFL-CIO's petition to the U.S. Trade Representative pointed out, China artificially suppresses wages by anywhere from 47 to 85 percent of what they should be. In the Chinese labor system, people work twelve-to eighteen-hour days with no days of rest, earning meager wages, in factories full of chemical toxins and hazardous machines, and suffer sickness and death at the highest rates in world history. I have always viewed, as I said, a change in the Chinese currency--what some people in Congress have been ranting about--as having little meaning as long as an authoritarian regime artificially suppresses the market for wages by ruthlessly enforcing a system that controls where people can work, and imprisons and tortures people who attempt to organize real unions or strike. That labor system--not the currency difference--is the reason, for example, that Wal-Mart saves 10-20 percent on its global procurement, according to the Harvard Business School.
But, this new labor code may begin to force wages up.

Which is driving corporations up the wall. Today, Global Labor Strategies is releasing a startling report. The report reveals that: "US-based global corporations like Wal-Mart, Google, UPS, Microsoft, Nike, AT&T, and Intel, acting through US business organizations like the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai and the US-China Business Council, are actively lobbying against the new legislation. They are also threatening that foreign corporations will withdraw from China if it is passed."

The opposition to the labor code--a code that would require that labor contract contain wages rates, basic terms of employment and the duration of employment, hardly radically requests--is being lead by: "...three major organizations representing foreign corporations operating in China:
- The American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai represents over 1,300 corporations, including 150 Fortune 500 companies.
- The US-China Business Council represents 250 US companies doing business across all sectors in China.
- The European Union Chamber of Commerce in China represents more than 860 members."

This story is crucial for every person in our country to follow. As the report points out: "At a time when China exerts a growing impact on the global economy, efforts to improve the conditions of Chinese workers are profoundly important for workers everywhere. As U.S. wages stagnate, many Americans worry that low wages and labor standards in China are driving down those in America. Improving labor conditions in China can help workers in the rest of the world resist a race to the bottom that threatens to bring wages and conditions worldwide down to the level of the least protected."

So, for all our fighting over raising the minimum wage and other economic issues--and I am not suggesting these are not important--in my humble opinion, the struggle over labor laws in China, and, by extension, the wage rates and working conditions of the Chinese worker, will have more impact on our lives, in the long term, than if the minimum wage is raised.

It's also quite interesting that, at the jump for the Times article, there is a side story that reports that all Wal-Mart stores in China have been unionized.

At the same time, not a single Wal-Mart store in the U.S. is unionized.


Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 11:30 pm
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Michael Sandstrom (306)
Wednesday January 16, 2008, 11:42 pm
Noted, and do not forget, you can now Judge a Judge! Below;
Judge your Judges

Tsandi Crew (95)
Thursday January 17, 2008, 6:38 am
If the world isn't coming to an end...Democracy is

Ratty Ratman (160)
Thursday January 17, 2008, 10:34 pm

When the judge ruled MSNBC had to include Kucinich, I KNEW the creeps in power would just find a piece of garbage anti American judge to overrule and do their bidding.

I was right.

We're losing this country folks, and we need to figure out how to wake up the rest of the people around us, because if we don't, then we fail.

The only chance we have is huge numbers of people active and vocal and we just don't have the numbers.

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Mary Riley (987)
Thursday January 17, 2008, 11:28 pm
THe court ruled against the American people.

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Friday January 18, 2008, 1:20 am
In light of looking at the issues in this light, one seriously needs to ask what can be effective. If people are able to take control of their Counties – which involves removing most judges from the bench along with most DA’s and most Sheriffs, the Federal government can do little to enforce their dictatorship. What we are suggesting is that the smaller target of taking control of Counties may be an easier task than trying to take control of the Federal government.

Thomas Panto (364)
Friday January 18, 2008, 6:37 am
Gather round children.
TV is God... thou shalt worship, worship, worship...
and obey. . . The army of one.

Alf I (246)
Friday January 18, 2008, 11:28 am
.. the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.
Alex Carey

The surface of American society is covered with a layer of democratic paint, but from time to time one can see the old aristocratic colours breaking through.
Alexis de Tocqueville

Te two greatest obstacles to democracy in the United States are, first, the widespread delusion among the poor that we have a democracy, and second, the chronic terror among the rich, lest we get it. [1941]
Edward Dowling

When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right.
Eugene V. Debs

As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

A good politician under democracy is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.
H. L. Mencken

Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
Hermann Goering

And Finally:
We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.
John F Kennedy!!!

Laura Hovland (129)
Friday January 18, 2008, 11:57 am
Thank you, Gregory, for posting this story.

Interesting quotes Alf, definitely food for thought. I came across a statement in the news this morning, which relates directly to your last one. When speaking about Bush's newly proposed economic package Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said...

the administration wants to be "intentionally not specific" in public to avoid poisoning the well with Congress.

That is, hide the truth from the people, or they may let their representative know what they think before a decision can be made.

On the subject of fair debates, MSNBC will be hosting the next republican debate in Florida on January 24th, and CNN will be hosting democratic debates on January 21st in So. Carolina, and on Jan. 31st in California, as well as a republican debate in California on Jan. 30th. I don't know if Paul will be included in the debates, but the entry requirement set by CNN for the democratic debates is 5% in national polls. Kucinich is close to that in 'recognized' polls, but in online polls is showing in the 70%+ range. We should begin applying pressure now. I have some specifics on those polls, and am tracking down more. Does anyone have a specific suggestion for who to contact at CNN? Or TimeWarner, thier 'parent company'? Kucinich supporters are still protesting at NBC, which may help Paul.

Jean H (2)
Friday January 18, 2008, 1:35 pm
I hope everybody reads the comments after this article. Much insight into the way people are thinking, feeling and acting right now...

I thought this was a very interesting comment on the story at

January 15th,
8:45 pm

Dennis didn’t advertise enough on NBC, so they booted him in all 3 primaries. Only the candidates who buy big ads get to talk.

Dear Mssrs. Gravel, Paul, and Kucinich:

Please take EACH question posed by the debate moderators, and answer them all on YouTube.

Pass the word, observe the substance of the candidates who do not have "for sale" or "sold" signs on their halos.

— Posted by MT

Alf I (246)
Monday January 21, 2008, 4:47 am
Please take a look at this video of Kucinich in action. It would be nice to get it front page, he needs the exposure:
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