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President Bush Passes a Bill giving himself and his whitehouse retroactive immunity for possible war crimes!Don't you wish we could all do that? NO WAY I WOULD BE A CRIMINAL!AMERICA WAKE UP and FIGHT BACK!! against the NEW WORLD ORDER!


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Dave Kane (308)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 12:25 pm
So that makes one idiot pardoning his posse of idiots

-- so what do we need Congress for? I guess they'll say something like:

"we are opposed to this, but we are just to darn busy triangulating for the upcoming elections to actually DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT".

Yvonne White (229)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 1:42 pm
Another NeoCON "pre-emptive strike"!:(

Kathy W (299)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 2:39 pm
Because he knows no one else will do it for him. And the snake just keeps slithering along...

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:00 pm
Personally,,, I don't think he can do that.
Cross posting for more input.

charles mclachlan (1677)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:21 pm
no he certanly should not be able to excuse himself of war crimes just goes to show he must know himself he is giulty of war crimes which he is along with tony blare his toy poodle,

stephanie v (85)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:29 pm
OMG! How is this scumbucket getting away with this?????

. (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:41 pm
What a bunch of Bull!!! he guilty and he knows it thats why he's doing it. Like the man said what is this Country comming too I agree, when you as president can cause all kinds of war crimes and get away with it, How dare we let him do this. Thanks Gregory and Kathy for the foward

. (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:56 pm
Bush has done a fantastic hold on,ive not finished yet.He has done a fantastic job in acheiving what he set out to do.Remember when Bush ahd just lost the election,to President Gore, and said something about governing the country in a way that would reflect the tightness of the vote,and the needs of the whole country..well he did the opposite,and stayed firmly on the hard right wing.His acheivement s since then have included..(1)Swelling the coffers of Haliburton,big pharma,the oil guys,Lockheed-Martin etc..whilst treading on those nonRepublican funders called "the people"(2)He planned to go to war against Iraq anyway..and he somehow pulled the wool over enough eyes ,to go off on his crusade into Eye-rak.(3)He massively,MASSIVELY increased serveillance over the US people with the abominably named Patriot Act..otherwise known as the "we are going to monitor everything you do,you lefty/dark skinned bastards act"(4)In line with the Republican bigotry policy,wherin conservativism is no longer an ideology,but instead a series of prejudices,he managed to spread the culture wars,(ie men who like men,are a bigger threat than bombs,or senseless deaths in Eye-Rak).He and sidekick Dirty Dick, did this enough to blind a sufficient number of dumbkoffs,to mantain his grab grab,war,grab and greed policies..those who opposed the taking of the Rhineland or the Blitzkreig in the Middle-East were of course labelled unpatriotic.Being labelled unpatriotic is wholly consistent with the aims of the culture wars.(5)Fear was also a major weapon here too of course..and spreading fear is a vital weapon,in the neo-con arsenal.It is also more easy to find than the non-existent WMDs. (6)Enlarging on the policies beloved of Clinton ,as seen in the "bash the poor not Wel-fare at all act"Bush maintained the socialism for the rich,policy,whereby tax dollars go from the "have littles" to the "havelots".The poor are blamed for being poor,and welfare is slashed,making many poorer,somehow this is meant to help them.The rich scroungers are given lots of money,cos God hellps those who help themselves,an dthey are friends anyway.(7)"The f**k the environment,what use are trees/polar bears anyway ?act"is of course self explanatory..
So really Bush has acheived what he set out to do..he's done a good job of helping those he intended to..that doesnt include 90% or so of Americans ..or the bemused people of the UK..who suffered the lying lies of Tony B-liar,as he bounced us into a war as the very very junior sidekick of Bush/Cheney ltd and co..
This list is non-exhaustive,and probably can't ever be exhausted,im exhausted by this mad fool and his band of unmerry men and "Condy"though..what it must feel like in America I can only guess..Bliar was bad here,but policy for policy,he'd be considered a dangerous radical in the we've had it quite comfortable in comparison.

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:58 pm
Congress is good for nothing..Thanks Kathy for the e mail..noted

Clever Pseudonym (176)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 4:59 pm
Jesus Christ, even the Christians have to wait until right after to be forgiven.

. (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 5:06 pm
Noted thank you Kathy.

Tim Redfern (581)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 5:19 pm
Actually, I think he can do this.
HOWEVER, this will not exempt him,
or any other member of Bushco from
International Justice.
It was maybe two weeks ago that the
Intl. Criminal Court at The Hague indicted
the President of Sudan for genocide, war crimes
and crimes against humanity. This indictment is
for the deaths of 300,000 Darfuris over the last
10 years.
Since the invasions/occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq,
there are more than 1.2 million civilians dead, millions
more wounded, 4.5 million Iraqis displaced from their
country......and, oh yeah, close to 9,000 American dead,
military and 9/11.
Where in hell is the indictment from the Intl.Criminal Court
for Bushco?! They've done all this in barely 7 years! They are
every bit as guilty as the President of Sudan of the same crimes
in a smaller amount of time!
We will never see this happen, we will never see Bush, Cheney, Rice,
Rumsfeld, Powell, et al, on trial in the World Court unless We The
People start making some noise in the Hague!
I'm going to start a petition for this very thing, and I hope you
will all support it. If anyone would like to co-sponsor, feel free
to send me a message.

Thanks, Gregory.

Gwen M (236)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 5:32 pm
This man must truly be insane.

. (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 5:54 pm
noted thank you

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 6:28 pm

Thanks for forwarding this, Nick. I was just reading a PM from my good friend, Tim, about it.

Yes, this goes beyond absurd! Folks, as was stated in the recent Judiciary Committee hearing regarding the limits of Executive Branch power, each preceding presidency leaves a legacy (a "ceiling") of limits of power -- which then become the "floor" for the ensuing one.



Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 6:30 pm

(blushing) How rude of me . . .

Thank you, Gregory!

H Nick H (1826)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 6:33 pm
All Americans should know what Bush and his gang are doing to destroy the American way. With the help of the religious right and republicans they have gutted our Constition and Bill of Rights to fit their own selfish needs for power and greed. We need to stand up and do something to make CHANGE. Obama is the only one who is acutally trying to do this.

I'm religous too, but not to destroy my country or the people in it.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 6:44 pm

Excellent point, Nick. As I watched the 6-hour hearing (which got little mainstream media coverage, although the subject matter is of utmost importance to the American public), one of the most dramatic pieces of evidence introduced was a copy of the Bill of Rights.

On one side of the paper was the original language. On the other, dramatically blacked out, were those rights which have since been deleted. Almost half of them!

Yes, America, throw some water on your faces, some coffee in the pot . . . and WAKE UP!

Maggie Amaya (201)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 6:58 pm
WHAT??!!?? When I read this my first reaction was astonished disbelief. It is my opinion that by giving himself retroactive immunity for "possible war crimes" he is admitting to having done things of questionable legality, if not outright illegal. I have NEVER liked Bu$h, going back to when he was still gov of Texas. This is just another in a long train of abuses of power throughout his time as a politician. Thank goodness he can never be president again, unless of course he finds some way around the term limits. Let's hope and pray he doesn't!

Barrie D (27)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 7:26 pm
Is this a legal action aloud? Can a President or Congress actually gain a pardon for himself and his staff during his term in office? Or is this a new presidence, that deserves some looking into? Doesn't some of this fall under the Geneva War Crimes, is a person allowed to walk away from acts that are abhorant,henious and/or over the edge?

Ryan M (5)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 7:26 pm
There's only one reason he would want to be pardoned, He's GUILTY AS CHARGED! Please support Dennis Kucinich and his articles of impeachment! Also, watch the EXCELLENT documentary "Washington You're Fired". Obama works for many of the same special interests as Bush! Obama, Bush, Clinton, Cheney, McCain... They are all CFR, NWO Corporate puppets!

Joycey B (750)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 7:28 pm
Of course he's going to pardon himself. He can do anything and get away with it. Thanks for sending to me Nick. Noted with disgust. Thanks Gregory.

Barrie D (27)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 7:55 pm
Let him pardon himself!!! It realy doesn't make a difference. Under the Geneva Convention, he and others can and would still be charged and prosecuted, if he is rightfully accused of Wars Crimes under the Geneva Convention. Bush has always been misinformed.

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:00 pm
Bush pardon himself? Is he really serious? If congress lets this slide there will be kaos worldwide!!

I'm hoping that our congress has better sense than this.

Chris Nielsen (75)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:02 pm
This is not news, it was aired back in 2005. Hello?

Ryan M (5)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:08 pm
You are right Chris, this is old news. I heard about this a while ago.

Phyllis P (232)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:20 pm
Old news or not, it is a disgrace. I wonder how he sleeps at night...probably hanging upside down from a rafter in the white house, being the blood sucking vampire that he is.

shawn k (84)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:41 pm
OMG! this is unbelievable! Lori

Christine Mitchell (67)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:43 pm

. (0)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 8:50 pm
Good point not religious,but I still get angry about how Bush and co,ignore the caring,fair ,and peaceful aspects of Jesus..if being Christian means following Christ,and I beleive it does,then I cant see how the neo-cons can claim to be Christian.Thou shalt not bear false witness is pretty clear amongst the commandments from the old testament/Torah..and the line about turning the other cheek from the new testament is as clear as day.

Linda H (199)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 9:22 pm
How in the whatever can this happen! I can see a pardon to some but he can not pardon himself! Boy he sure thinks a lot of himself!

Joanne S (10)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 9:49 pm

Marian E (152)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 11:04 pm

May as well figure it's a done deal. This will have to be brought
before the Supremes and let them decide the constitutionality of such
a bill, but with the court stacked the way it is, they will probably
allow it.

This is a very sad day for our country.

Thank you Gregory.

Marian E (152)
Saturday August 2, 2008, 11:21 pm

O.K., just realized this is from September of 06, and Gregory,
you were right when you told me that it had already happened.
Thanks for putting it out here for all of us to realize.

Her are the votes. Obviously it passed.

YEAs ---65
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---34
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 1
Snowe (R-ME)

Elle J (276)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 12:09 am
Unbelievable!! This man has put himself about the law in so man instances that I have lost count. I can only hope he will be indicted on war crimes when his administration is over which for me cannot come too soon.

Peace Monger (185)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 12:45 am
Is this the Military Commissions Act of 2006 we're talking about? If so and my memory serves me correctly, Mark S was posting madly about this bill in Oct of 06...

Protections from criminal and civil prosecutions for previous instances of alleged torture-Wikipedia

Two provisions of the MCA have been criticized for allegedly making it harder to prosecute and convict officers and employees of the US government for misconduct in office.

First, the MCA changed the definition of war crimes for which US government defendants can be prosecuted. Under the War Crimes Act of 1996, any violation of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions was considered a war crime and could be criminally prosecuted. Section 6 of the Military Commissions Act amended the War Crimes Act so that only actions specifically defined as "grave breaches" of Common Article 3 could be the basis for a prosecution, and it made that definition retroactive to November 26, 1997. The specific actions defined in section 6 of the Military Commissions Act include torture, cruel or inhumane treatment, murder, mutilation or maiming, intentionally causing serious bodily harm, rape, sexual assault or abuse, and the taking of hostages. According to Mariner of Human Rights Watch, the effect is "that perpetrators of several categories of what were war crimes at the time they were committed, can no longer be punished under U.S. law."[32] The Center for Constitutional
The Center for Constitutional Rights adds:

The MCA’s restricted definitions arguably would exempt certain U.S. officials who have implemented or had command responsibility for coercive interrogation techniques from war crimes prosecutions.
. . . .
This amendment is designed to protect U.S. government perpetrators of abuses during the "war on terror" from prosecution.[33]

In 2005, a provision of the Detainee Treatment Act (section 1004(a)) had created a new defense as well as a provision to providing counsel for agents involved in the detention and interrogation of individuals “believed to be engaged in or associated with international terrorist activity”. The 2006 MCA amended section 1004(a) of the Detainee Treatment Act to guarantee free counsel in the event of civil or criminal prosecution and applied the above mentioned legal defense to prosecutions for conduct that occurred during the period September 11, 2001 to December 30, 2005. Although the provision recognizes the possibility of civil and or criminal proceedings, the Center for Constitutional Rights has criticised this claiming that "The MCA retroactively immunizes some U.S. officials who have engaged in illegal actions which have been authorized by the Executive."

The MCA’s restricted definitions arguably would exempt certain U.S. officials who have implemented or had command responsibility for coercive interrogation techniques from war crimes prosecutions.
. . . .
This amendment is designed to protect U.S. government perpetrators of abuses during the "war on terror" from prosecution.[33]

In 2005, a provision of the Detainee Treatment Act (section 1004(a)) had created a new defense as well as a provision to providing counsel for agents involved in the detention and interrogation of individuals “believed to be engaged in or associated with international terrorist activity”. The 2006 MCA amended section 1004(a) of the Detainee Treatment Act to guarantee free counsel in the event of civil or criminal prosecution and applied the above mentioned legal defense to prosecutions for conduct that occurred during the period September 11, 2001 to December 30, 2005. Although the provision recognizes the possibility of civil and or criminal proceedings, the Center for Constitutional Rights has criticised this claiming that "The MCA retroactively immunizes some U.S. officials who have engaged in illegal actions which have been authorized by the Executive."

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 1:01 am
I love input:)
Thank you Tim & everybody, I forgot that part about InterNational laws exceed US laws (but I guess nobody was watching when InterNational laws were broken to invade Iraqi) And with the part about this being old news, means there is something in print about this now.

Could Bush Be Prosecuted for War Crimes? | War on Iraq | AlterNet

Could Bush Be Prosecuted for War Crimes?

By Jan Frel, AlterNet. Posted July 10, 2006.

A Nuremberg chief prosecutor says there is a case for trying Bush for the 'supreme crime against humanity, an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.'

The extent to which American exceptionalism is embedded in the national psyche is awesome to behold.

While the United States is a country like any other, its citizens no more special than any others on the planet, Americans still react with surprise at the suggestion that their country could be held responsible for something as heinous as a war crime.

From the massacre of more than 100,000 people in the Philippines to the first nuclear attack ever at Hiroshima to the unprovoked invasion of Baghdad, U.S.-sponsored violence doesn't feel as wrong and worthy of prosecution in internationally sanctioned criminal courts as the gory, bload-soaked atrocities of Congo, Darfur, Rwanda, and most certainly not the Nazis -- most certainly not. Howard Zinn recently described this as our "inability to think outside the boundaries of nationalism. We are penned in by the arrogant idea that this country is the center of the universe, exceptionally virtuous, admirable, superior."

Most Americans firmly believe there is nothing the United States or its political leadership could possibly do that could equate to the crimes of Hitler's Third Reich. The Nazis are our "gold standard of evil," as author John Dolan once put it.

But the truth is that we can, and we have -- most recently and significantly in Iraq. Perhaps no person on the planet is better equipped to identify and describe our crimes in Iraq than Benjamin Ferencz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg Trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating death squads that killed more than one million people in the famous Einsatzgruppen Case. Ferencz, now 87, has gone on to become a founding father of the basis behind international law regarding war crimes, and his essays and legal work drawing from the Nuremberg trials and later the commission that established the International Criminal Court remain a lasting influence in that realm.

Ferencz's biggest contribution to the war crimes field is his assertion that an unprovoked or "aggressive" war is the highest crime against mankind. It was the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 that made possible the horrors of Abu Ghraib, the destruction of Fallouja and Ramadi, the tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, civilian massacres like Haditha, and on and on. Ferencz believes that a "prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity, that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation."

Interviewed from his home in New York, Ferencz laid out a simple summary of the case:

"The United Nations charter has a provision which was agreed to by the United States formulated by the United States in fact, after World War II. Its says that from now on, no nation can use armed force without the permission of the U.N. Security Council. They can use force in connection with self-defense, but a country can't use force in anticipation of self-defense. Regarding Iraq, the last Security Council resolution essentially said, 'Look, send the weapons inspectors out to Iraq, have them come back and tell us what they've found -- then we'll figure out what we're going to do. The U.S. was impatient, and decided to invade Iraq -- which was all pre-arranged of course. So, the United States went to war, in violation of the charter."

It's that simple. Ferencz called the invasion a "clear breach of law," and dismissed the Bush administration's legal defense that previous U.N. Security Council resolutions dating back to the first Gulf War justified an invasion in 2003. Ferencz notes that the first Bush president believed that the United States didn't have a U.N. mandate to go into Iraq and take out Saddam Hussein; that authorization was simply to eject Hussein from Kuwait. Ferencz asked, "So how do we get authorization more than a decade later to finish the job? The arguments made to defend this are not persuasive."

Writing for the United Kingdom's Guardian, shortly before the 2003 invasion, international law expert Mark Littman echoed Ferencz: "The threatened war against Iraq will be a breach of the United Nations Charter and hence of international law unless it is authorized by a new and unambiguous resolution of the Security Council. The Charter is clear. No such war is permitted unless it is in self-defense or authorized by the Security Council."

Challenges to the legality of this war can also be found at the ground level. First Lt. Ehren Watada, the first U.S. commissioned officer to refuse to serve in Iraq, cites the rules of the U.N. Charter as a principle reason for his dissent.

Ferencz isn't using the invasion of Iraq as a convenient prop to exercise his longstanding American hatred: he has a decades-old paper trail of calls for every suspect of war crimes to be brought to international justice. When the United States captured Saddam Hussein in December 2003, Ferencz wrote that Hussein's offenses included "the supreme international crime of aggression, to a wide variety of crimes against humanity, and a long list of atrocities condemned by both international and national laws."

Ferencz isn't the first to make the suggestion that the United States has committed state-sponsored war crimes against another nation -- not only have leading war critics made this argument, but so had legal experts in the British government before the 2003 invasion. In a short essay in 2005, Ferencz lays out the inner deliberations of British and American officials as the preparations for the war were made:

U.K. military leaders had been calling for clear assurances that the war was legal under international law. They were very mindful that the treaty creating a new International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague had entered into force on July 1, 2002, with full support of the British government. Gen. Sir Mike Jackson, chief of the defense staff, was quoted as saying "I spent a good deal of time recently in the Balkans making sure Milosevic was put behind bars. I have no intention of ending up in the next cell to him in The Hague."
Ferencz quotes the British deputy legal adviser to the Foreign Ministry who, in the lead-up to the invasion, quit abruptly and wrote in her resignation letter: "I regret that I cannot agree that it is lawful to use force against Iraq without a second Security Council resolution … [A]n unlawful use of force on such a scale amounts to the crime of aggression; nor can I agree with such action in circumstances that are so detrimental to the international order and the rule of law."

While the United Kingdom is a signatory of the ICC, and therefore under jurisdiction of that court, the United States is not, thanks to a Republican majority in Congress that has "attacks on America's sovereignty" and "manipulation by the United Nations" in its pantheon of knee-jerk neuroses. Ferencz concedes that even though Britain and its leadership could be prosecuted, the international legal climate isn't at a place where justice is blind enough to try it -- or as Ferencz put it, humanity isn't yet "civilized enough to prevent this type of illegal behavior." And Ferencz said that while he believes the United States is guilty of war crimes, "the international community is not sufficiently organized to prosecute such a case. … There is no court at the moment that is competent to try that crime."

As Ferencz said, the world is still a long way away from establishing norms that put all nations under the rule of law, but the battle to do so is a worthy one: "There's no such thing as a war without atrocities, but war-making is the biggest atrocity of all."

The suggestion that the Bush administration's conduct in the "war on terror" amounts to a string of war crimes and human rights abuses is gaining credence in even the most ossified establishment circles of Washington. Justice Anthony Kennedy's opinion in the recent Hamdan v. Rumsfeld ruling by the Supreme Court suggests that Bush's attempt to ignore the Geneva Conventions in his approved treatment of terror suspects may leave him open to prosecution for war crimes. As Sidney Blumenthal points out, the Court rejected Bush's attempt to ignore Common Article 3, which bans "cruel treatment and torture [and] outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment."


Kathy Chadwell (354)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 1:02 am
And since Congress enacted the Geneva Conventions, making them the law of the United States, any violations that Bush or any other American commits "are considered 'war crimes' punishable as federal offenses," as Justice Kennedy wrote.

George W. Bush in the dock facing a charge of war crimes? That's well beyond the scope of possibility … or is it?

Bye bye bush:)

Carolyn T (234)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 2:13 am
Noted. I remember this very well. I even have my letters of outrage to Louisiana's senators, both of whom voted yes to this. Note how long this has been out there and has not come before the 9 Pips, who have not acted at all "Supremely." Many good points and cogent posts here make for a good discussion...and I appreciate the manner in which it is taking place. Thank you for the story,

Hans L (958)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 3:40 am
The Hague is ready for more war criminals! Karadzic has arrived Bush will never ever come to the Hague! The USA is unbelievable...

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 4:31 am

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 9:12 am
Noted and thanks Gregory !
This is not Constitutional no president can pardon himself !This better not get passed or the -hit is going to hit the fan !

Tere M (75)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 9:20 am
Noted and thank you Gregory! ~

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 9:53 am
Soory ! Thank Nick for the email and link .

Jim Phillips (3247)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 9:57 am
I want to see them all - pukes in and around the white house - convicted of crimes against America and to Humanity...

The pukes know who they are and they had better be watching their backs, if not already... after they leave office... Some one or some group will be after them... to the Hague or elsewhere... is fine with me...

Nope, I won't be after them... If any of them are "taken", will I be sad, upset, angry or lift a finger to help them... naw... I'll applaud... gleefully...

TY, Gregory.


Arielle S (313)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 10:59 am
Well, I think Bush should be able to pardon himself - but ONLY after I'm made queen of the world and have distributed millions of dollars to all the people of my kingdom. Jeez o pete, this is SO unconstitutional. So, is it Class Action Suit or will somebody hire a hit man? I surely hope the International folks have more guts than our congressmen and women.

Brittany C (15)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 2:25 pm
Awesome...How do our Petitions compete with Pardons and Bills?

Dometria Lanauze (6)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 4:08 pm
Well, Rob , you said it all except, maybe not referring to him and his cronies as Darth Vader and the Alliance. Lord help us all!!. The shit's getting so deep and thick that us ex-patriots here in Canada can smell the stink oozing , even from our PM( I didn't vote for Him).

What a sad state of affairs, Maybe nobody should vote come November . No, that wouldn't work either because they'd have an excuse to use the War measures act against their own and all of you would end up in their secret prison camps, prepared and just waiting to be filled.

All we can do keep the broom of Truth sweeping that stuff from under the carpet into the Light, hoping that it will be purified when burnt by the rays of the Sun. Peace in Our Quest For Truth

Roseann d (178)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 4:39 pm
In his pipe dreams!

Louise L (48)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 5:01 pm
I guess that means Hitler was innocent, too. Think of all the lives this man has taken: the military, the contractors, Iraqi civilians, and the suicides resulting from mental anguish. Then there are the widows and the orphans of all those groups. Too bad he jumped the gun proclaiming his innocence, just makes him look all the more guilty!! And that, buddy, is one Texan to another. Thanks, Gregory, great post!

Sheldon Johnson (4037)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 6:48 pm
My family has suffered severely over the last 35 years from the hands of shadow predators masquerading as Psychiatrists, Physicians, Social workers, Teachers, Government officials and a host of other Professions in order to enact fear and paranoia in their savage campaign to gain control of my family’s mind and behavior thru their State sponsored unethical Human Research Programs.

It is a conspiracy that is so monstrous that no one would want to believe it actually happened. These Individuals operates with total Impunity with Gestapo like powers and they hide within our Government’s Administrations throughout this Country.

Thru prayer and countless research I discovered what I believe to be the truth of what has happened to my family. Base on uncanny similarities of victims of a secret Government program, Congressional Records and testimonials that can be substantiated through the Freedom of Information Act, I believe that my family has been targeted for Human Research thru an elaborate unethical program that changes its name often called MKULTRA.

It all started in the latter part of the 60’s when the Drew daycare facility that cared for my oldest sibling Ward Johnson, convinced my mother to enroll him into Dr. Margaret Lawrence of Harlem Hospital program for kids with special needs simply because he wouldn’t play with other kids – which they claimed.

A host of social workers and Dr. Lawrence eventually convinced my mother to enroll him into a special boarding school call Childville to correct his “problem” of playing by himself because they inform her that the board of education would not accept kids that are considered anti-social.

She was instructed to hold him out of school at the age of 6 and that they will provide her with a special school that would accept him and correct his “problem” of not wanting to play with other children.

In the summer of 1970 after Ward turn 7 years old he entered into Childville, a division of the Jewish child care association of New York City - Our lives has never been the same ever since his admission into that dreadful institution. It was there she found out that Ward was a prodigious savant who had incredible abilities... A fact that Dr. Lawrence hidden from her.

Shortly after his enrollment into Childville, Ward started to exhibit severe personality changes that alarmed my mother that made her wanting to remove him from their so call “boarding school.” - It was then that the staff of Childville informed my mother that my brother no longer belong to her because she signed away her parental rights to BCW, when she enrolled him into their program and that he now belong to the New York State Foster Care System.

My mother tried to get help as she fought valiantly for her son but the rogue elements within our Government flexed their muscle and utilized every agency imaginable in the City of New York to strip away her rights as they participated in this covert unethical experimentation of my brother.

My family has been terrorized and abused by these demented officials and physicians who all swore an oath to uphold the law and to protect and serve and preserve a human life.

Suddenly problems started to occur within our household as we became victims of repeated break-ins, vicious rumors and sabotage of reputation.

This is about the time that they went after my brother Trevis through a clandestine operation within the elementary school (public school 23) he attended. They covertly administered drugs to him while making him feel like it was his fault for being “a bad little boy.”

My mother was arrested after she “rescued” Ward from Childville by refusing to return him after a weekend visit - My brother’s and I was place into the custody of BCW because of the fact that she refuse to allow Childville to retain the parental rights to my brother Ward.

My brother’s and I were injected with some type of medication while in the custody of BCW after my mother's arrest in april of 1974. After that we all were diagnose with different types of physiological problems. My white blood cells became very low, Trevis started developing problems with his left eye (white mass bumps) and swelling in his left breast and Sean lost all the hair over his entire body.

Shortly afterwards, our problems escalated within our household as the vandalism intensified and we became the victim of gang stalking, rumors, harassment by housing employees and even betrayal by close friends and family members.

My mother has now become a target of psychological warfare from the conspirators as they focus their attention upon her to keep her quiet and occupied with problems.

Numerous attempts of witchcraft have been used to keep her psychological captive and manageable for their sadistic plot they had in store for her and her family. The harassment grew more bizarre and severe every time she reached out for help from the proper authorities.

She later found salvation in her newfound faith in Jehovah God, and was able to function with some sense of normalcy despite the many persecutions she experienced daily in everyday life. She had to endure further heartache when the conspirators turn their attention on her youngest son Sean whom they damaged severely with their behavioral modification program.

Trevis was severely damage by these predators as he was drugged thru the board of education, Children Services and when they rail-road him into prison - Where they expose him to untold persecutions and mind – altering Drugs. All this was done covertly without the consent of my mother.

I became “alienated” from my family because of the escalating trouble that we was having in our household and I began to rebel against my mother which force me into foster care at the tender age of 16. Once there they work feverishly to get me on mood- stabilizing medication and even threaten to withhold my allowance if I refuse to comply with their pharmaceutical regiment that they had laid out for me.

I refused to take the medication and went on to graduated with honors and started working in the construction business at the age of 18 after I finish school. I now realize that God preserved me for a purpose when he allowed me to be place into foster care and protected me from the human research predators – much like he allowed Joseph to be sold into Egypt and use him to protect his family and his people in a time of distress. Satan had Joseph brothers sell him into slavery for wickedness but God allowed it to happen for righteousness, because he had a purpose for Joseph.

My mother life seems to always be “troubled” and “busy” as she fought for the rights for her family. She didn’t even have the time to look into the huge amount of heir’s property that her late cousin (Wavy Lackey) promised her in Covington, Georgia which ended up in the hands of a powerful southern attorney by the name of Pat Campbell and an illegitimate relative name Lester Lackey.

Was she recommended for this illegal program to distract her from her inheritance that her cousin promise her when he told her that he was going to leave her as the administrator of the Lackey Estates and train her sons in the family business?

Or was she just a victim of double jeopardy as she and my brother’s continue to be victimized and terrorized by numerous governmental agencies? Her problems took a turn for the worse when they turn their attention to my niece Geneva Johnson who was "legally" kidnap by family court Supervising Judge Susan K. Knipps and Children Services (ACS).

The Predators decided to go after my mother and try to give her a psych history in order to discredit her. They used my niece Geneva as a ransom to try to get my mother psychologically evaluated. They endangered the welfare of my niece and exposed her to untold horrors that any child shouldn’t have to endure. These individuals would go to any extremities to prove a point that doesn’t exist.

My brother Trevis started disclosing facts about what happened to him and wanted to take civil action against his predators. They found ways to make his case disappear and out-dated as they forced him into a residential home (Pilby) and continued their illegal experiments on him until the day that he died.

Was my brother murdered to keep him from talking about the years of ritual abuse and force medication that was done to him by rogue physicians operating with total impunity from someone within our Government?

Why did the Hospitals, NYPD, Paramedics, Social Workers and the Medical Examiners office demonstrate gross-negligence and deceit, leading up to the unusual events of my brother’s death?

Was this part of their “final solution” to rid themselves of members of my family… and if so, who’s next?

Who in our Government is allowing these Hitler like atrocities to take place on unsuspecting American Citizens violating every Human, Civil and Constitutional law of God and Man?

This is domestic terrorism of the worst kind and this is why this story must be made public and the guilty must stand trial for their crimes.

My family and countless others that the Government deems to be expendable may be the beginning of what some rogue officials have in store for America's future. Please don’t forget that this is still a government for the people and by the people. We must all work together to bring this story to the light to rid ourselves of this social cancer - Because today it’s my family that is suffering and tomorrow it may be yours. Please sign the Petition below to stop ALL Illegal Human Research Programs in America.


Robert Garvin (46)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 7:44 pm
Well! Has anyone considered that there just might be some really bad incident, probably worse than 9/11 which will give the opening for a total takeover by the Shrubbery to hold power for as long as he so desires so that there will be NO call for him to face what he has done? I just can't think of what it is called but if I remember rightly, Hitler did it. But then, his time came after many millions died.
We stand in the portal of tremendous times of anarchy. Oh yes I remember, it is called "A State of Emergency"
You become a number that can be removed and quoted as "collateral damage".

Ryan M (5)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 11:13 pm
Yes Robert, I think he even signed an executive order that would allow him to postpone the election in the event of an emergency. Of course, thanks to Bill Clinton in the event of total Martial Law the director of FEMA would be the new ruler! There are many parallels between this fraudulent "War on Terror" and what happened in Nazi Germany. Like burning the Reichstag Building and blaming his political enemies. Western governments have staged "False Flag" attacks in at least 200 declassified instances.

Hans L (958)
Sunday August 3, 2008, 11:20 pm

Gayla S (50)
Monday August 4, 2008, 2:06 am
Tim, was the count that you showed from 2005 or 2008? I understood from TV this am, that it was stuck in a part of some other bill and didn't get passed.
Other than that, this man surpasses "chudspah"!!!!!! That is an English transliteration of BALLS

Hans L (958)
Monday August 4, 2008, 6:37 am
The Court for this case:

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN). It was established in June 1945 by the Charter of the United Nations and began work in April 1946.

The seat of the Court is at the Peace Palace in The Hague (Netherlands). Of the six principal organs of the United Nations, it is the only one not located in New York (United States of America).

The Court’s role is to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes submitted to it by States and to give advisory opinions on legal questions referred to it by authorized United Nations organs and specialized agencies.

The Court is composed of 15 judges, who are elected for terms of office of nine years by the United Nations General Assembly and the Security Council. It is assisted by a Registry, its administrative organ. Its official languages are English and French.

Nancy M (147)
Monday August 4, 2008, 8:48 am
Hmmm, isn't pardoning yourself almost an admission of guilt?

Thanks to gregory S for posting and to Nick for forwarding.

Deborah Hooper (59)
Monday August 4, 2008, 10:04 am
This can be overturned if it is against the Constitution, can't it?

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Monday August 4, 2008, 2:50 pm
International Law Aspects of the Iraq War
and Occupation

My opinion is: The whole bush administration will be trialed for crimes against humanity. Think Rice will be out buying 7 thousand dollars worth of shoes then:)

Barry Seth (118)
Monday August 4, 2008, 6:37 pm


lori r (13)
Tuesday August 5, 2008, 2:17 am
Thanks to both Gregory and Nick - people need to know and note these acts. I live in Northern California and near the Oregon border. Towns are quite spread out with much distance, imagine my surprise to be driving down a highway and seeing a car with the Haliburton logo on its' door pass me. Then come the "surprise visits" from our Governator who passes these instances off when we are told LATER ON he was up our way - delivering "promising messages to schools," etc. I hear Northern Cal is the LEAST likely to be "involved" from attacks; are these from outsiders or within as folks become more infuriated with our government? Is a bunker/Camp being considered, or does it already exist...these possibilities sound too viable to dismiss; state bills are destroying jobs here and cuts in education and health care are being protested to no avail. We can draw our own conclusions - but I wanted to just let others know. These giant Redwoods may offer secure protection to more than just spotted owls!

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Tuesday August 5, 2008, 5:31 am

Sheila G (267)
Tuesday August 5, 2008, 1:48 pm
how the hell does anyone get away with pardoning themself? how can a president do this all on his own, I don't care what title he "was given", we are all supposed to be equal in this country, how can he commit any criminal act and say ahead of time that he is forgiven, by himself?! this is the biggest crock of bull, and if he is on the level, why is he worried?
ty Gregory

Bonnie Sue (11)
Monday September 8, 2008, 10:36 pm
Even if he manages to pardon himself the Geneva Convention is international law. The UN would be the ones to enforce it and quite frankly I don't want them knocking on my door looking for Bush.
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