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Vatican 'May Appeal' to Iran Over Stoning Case


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Sophie
- 3182 days ago - bbc.co.uk
The Vatican has said it could appeal diplomatically to Iran to spare the life of an Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery.



   

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Past Member (0)
Sunday September 5, 2010, 9:29 pm
Maybe the Vatican should mind its own business, ferret out and and lock up its pedophile priests before launching a hypocritical, holier than though raid on on Islam.

People in glass houses?
 

gail dair (0)
Sunday September 5, 2010, 10:53 pm
thanks Sophie
 

Sally Roach (3)
Sunday September 5, 2010, 11:38 pm
this from a country where a male can have sex with anyone whether he is married or not! what hypocrisy!!!
 

Stan B (123)
Monday September 6, 2010, 2:45 am
It's with situations like this that the true nature of this evil regime shows its true colours. Two wrongs don't make a right Ralph. Are you suggesting we all sit back and let this poor woman get stoned to death?
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:38 am
She accused of adultry - she cant be in it alone - there had to be a man too. He is innocent?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 4:10 am
Islam has its stoning law (of which I do not approve) - The Catholic church burnt people at the stake. Is adultery a more serious crime than protecting pedophile priests, guilty of raping children stan b?

Benedict is protecting pedophiles and is therefore guilty of the crime "accessory to rape" (A lesser crime than adultery?) - What should Benedicts' punishment be? Excommunication is just a mythical power, a bad joke, lets have something tangible. Stoning?

Further: Five years after Benedict's election, the state of the Catholic church in Europe is no longer a problem for the Catholic leadership; it is a nightmare. Successive scandals over the molestation and, in some cases, the rape by priests of children and adolescents in their care have led thousands of European Catholics to question, or abandon, their faith.

The impact is most clearly visible in the pope's native Germany where religious affiliation is officially registered so that the members of each denomination can pay for its upkeep! Figures published by the daily Die Welt in April showed that, in most dioceses, more than twice as many Catholics had left their church in the previous month than a year earlier.

Therefore, in my not so humble opinion, the pope is rapidly losing credibility and if he were foolish enough to attempt to highlight the foibles of another religion in order to protect the "credibility" of his own that would be nothing short of blatant hypocricy.

Therefore, the pope has absolutely no right or authority to interfere in the death of this woman.
 

Luciana D (30)
Monday September 6, 2010, 5:22 am
Well, if the Vatican can help, OK ! In Iran Religion and State go together.
There is another organisation doing nothing about that : the UN ! I add below one of the comments to the article above, that's also very educational :

"Ever wonder why the United Nations does nothing to condemn the barbaric torture of men and women in Islamic countries?
Outright refusal by the UN Council on Human Rights to even discuss Female Genital Mutilation, (FMG) stoning, honour killings, etc is forced by the Islamic members of the council including Angola, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan because they consider these practices protected by Sharia Law.
- Nick, Basingstoke, 05/9/2010 23:25
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309265/Sakineh-Mohammad-Ashtiani-Iran-woman-lashed-99-times-newspaper-picture.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0ykaRd5Qz"

Answering to Julie van Niekerk : men are never guilty, as those laws have been invented by them! They are not crazy !
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 5:33 am
"You cannot currently send a star to Luciana because you have done so within the last week". Oh yes I can *
 

Terry B (649)
Monday September 6, 2010, 6:10 am
Absolutely right, Stan. Ralph has lost all perspective.

By his logic, if Dick Cheney stops his car to help an injured child or other animal, we should let the victim die because we al know Dick is a baaaad man.
 

Debbie H (115)
Monday September 6, 2010, 6:49 am
Hypocrite though he may be...(and is...) , I would have to, in my VERY humble opinion, agree with Stan...Two wrongs do not make a right.
 

Debbie H (115)
Monday September 6, 2010, 6:59 am
Oops..Wasn't calling STAN a hypocrite...I did mean the Pope...:::smiles::...Sorry, Stan...That wasn't written too well...Early morn and I haven't had my coffee yet...
 

liz c (827)
Monday September 6, 2010, 7:00 am
Noted. Thank you.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 7:34 am
My "perspective" is: The stoning of a woman in the nation state of Iran (as abhorrent as it may be) has got absolutely nothing to do with the Vatican...Not any more than the USA has the right to interfere in the politics of Iraq or Afghanistan...

Islam is NOT a threat to the Vatican or the USA although the US government spin doctors would, unjustifiably, have you believe so. Don't be so insular, read the offshore news, it's different to the US anti-Islam spin. The USA is NOT the center of the universe, there's a whole big world out there...

This woman has not been stoned yet. Let's hope it never happens.

LIVE AND LET LIVE!
 

Dan Holoman (2)
Monday September 6, 2010, 12:42 pm
There are some very interesting and all with very strong opinions.

The simplicity of the situation of stoning anyone to death is abhorrent under any law, Sharia or the Vatican, or the US (with the death penalty!)!

I am for the death penalty -- if proven w/out a doubt -- when it concern's a life-for-a-life, but Adultery? No society can call itself "civilized" if it follows this kind of law!

As stated, she's not dead yet. Let's have some hope that it will never happen.

Deport her to America, the land of the devils and adulterers. That should satisfy everyone. We would just have one more adulterer amongst us.
 

Libby cootes (2)
Monday September 6, 2010, 12:45 pm
hey ralph...you say catholics are this and that. but listen to YOURSELF....your being just as bad.
shut up
 

Carlos L (1)
Monday September 6, 2010, 12:48 pm
This is one of the things the catholic church should do.
 

Libby cootes (2)
Monday September 6, 2010, 12:48 pm
the catholic church has DONE ALOT for this world. ALOT OF GOOD...it goes un-noticed which is such a shame....
i think the catholic church probably have done more for this world than any OTHER religion....
 

Stacy Jones (5)
Monday September 6, 2010, 1:22 pm
It does not matter who is to blame. Death by stoning is barbaric in any culture, religion, judicial system, etc. If the Pope continues to be involved perhaps this hoopla will be enough to deter this ONE icky event from happening. Ralph is right about one thing, we are not the center of the universe. I am looking forward to reading the Sharia Law and spending some time catching up on "off shore news". I really done believe anything the US media says.Sorry so disorganized, also need coffee.......:)
 

. (1)
Monday September 6, 2010, 1:25 pm
Noted. Thank you Sophie.
 

Kit B (276)
Monday September 6, 2010, 1:26 pm
If intercession by the Vatican will help save her life then let it be, I think by now we have all signed petitions, written letters and made phones in a near daily effort to try to save a life. I don't know if she committed adultery nor do I care, I find this all repressive and reprehensible. "Stoning"? This world of ours needs to seriously grow up!
 

Kit B (276)
Monday September 6, 2010, 1:27 pm
***made phone calls....
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Monday September 6, 2010, 2:07 pm
Apparently, this poor woman is in fact innocent of the crime of which she is accused, i.e., adultery. According to her children, she doesn't speak farsi, or arabic, and she did not understand what was being said to her, or about her, in Court. This makes the whole thing doubly tragic.

Does it actually matter that the Pope is a hypocrite if by intervening in this case he might be able to help save this poor woman's life?
 

josie batlles (44)
Monday September 6, 2010, 2:16 pm
Thank you very much for sharing x such a sad case..
 

Noor Al'Khatib (5)
Monday September 6, 2010, 2:20 pm
I agree with a lot of the comments. However we need to know a little of the culture of islam or any other religion who are stepping up to the play. i am a revert and nowhere in the koran or the bible does it say stone women who commit adultery. also this muslim woman did not commit adultery as she was a widow.
anyone with a high enough profile that is prepared to plead for her life has to be valuable in saving her life. these scholars of islam are planning to do this at the end of rammadan in what is meant to be eid a happy time a religious holiday what more can i say except he who throws the first stone. i am sadened and shocked at what this message is sending to muslims and non-muslims alike
 

Bracha Katz (31)
Monday September 6, 2010, 2:25 pm
Not that I love the Vatican, but if it would help Ashtiiani, then let them do it. Thanks Ralph
 

Chiari L (2)
Monday September 6, 2010, 2:54 pm
ouch ralph but i totally agree
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Charlene Rush (2)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:02 pm
Oh gee, what a shock! You mean they haven't done it, already? Maybe, the hierarchy should fear god, if they don't.

Where did I ever get the idea, that the Vatican was in the 'love thy neighbot' business?

I don't need to have more information on anyone else's religion, to know that no god would approve these actions. This is the old POWER/CONTROL issue, of men fearing and dominating women.
 

Frieda Stahl (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:18 pm
Every religious orthodoxy slimes women. Of course, their power structures are exclusively male. Those denominations that have developed modern offshoots offer alternatives. Apparently there is no "Reformed Islam." The Vatican has a sorry history of misogyny, but if its appeal can ease this woman's situation it will be welcomed by women the world over.
 

Terry B (649)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:21 pm
Ralph again misses the point by assuming facts not in evidence.

Insuular? I am willing to bet that I read more offshore news than he can even name. My desktop has shortcuts to major newspapers in every one of the seven countries I have lived in and a couple more than I am interested in.

This has nothing to do with who is a threat to whom, power politics, and all that crap you seem to be wound up with.

I would complain if a farmer in Paraguay mistreats his amimals, and we are ceratingly no threat to each other.

It's an attempt to right a wrong. The attempt is a right, regardless of the characteristics of the source.
 

Gloria H (88)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:26 pm
I don't care if it's Superman, the Pope, or a CEO from B.P...if it saves this woman's life what differance does it make about their past or motive? The poor woman has suffered enough with this threat hanging over her head. What ever happened to the man? Strange world where a woman's worth is judged by whether or not she has an intact hymen.
 

Libby cootes (2)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:29 pm
i agree with terry. if everyone stands up and does soemthing, MAYBE we can all save not just this woman..but all women from torture
 

MsR S (189)
Monday September 6, 2010, 3:34 pm
If mr pope can help, I'm all for it. Brasil has offered to take her in. The more we get politicians & public figures to intervene, hopefully the better. Abuse, ignorance, fear mongering, are a threat to all of us.
Let's hope that keeping pressure will save hers & other lives caught in this insanity.
 

Kathleen Gallagher (1)
Monday September 6, 2010, 4:11 pm
The pope should have appealed long ago. All religious leaders should appeal and ask for decency.
 

Teresa K (33)
Monday September 6, 2010, 4:18 pm
Everyone..Everywhere should stand up for this women!!
 

Vijay Tankha (28)
Monday September 6, 2010, 4:30 pm
Hi all ! After reading all your comments, I really do feel that the Muslim world should take a lesson from another who used to live in their area, by the name of Jesus, who said that the first stone should be cast be any who was without sin. Stoning was very in practice in His days, and He sought to eradicate it. I doubt the Jews still go in for stoning. So if they, who are maligned by the Muslims and many others could have become enlightened, why cannot others living in the same areas. After all, when you think about it, Sharia should have evolved with time and become more humane, or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
Kudos to anyone who tries to stop the barbarity. We have to remember and keep reminding ourselves that we are developing humans and left the deserts, forests and caves a long time ago.
 

Mary D (64)
Monday September 6, 2010, 5:20 pm
It may technically be interfering if the Pope tries to talk sense into the Arabs, but whether or not he has any TECHNICAL right to do that, as a world leader, the Pope has a right to show his influence. An argument COULD be made that if the US Army brought a battalion to Iran to save her life, THAT would be illegal, and thus shouldn't be done. But the Pope is NOT a political leader. He is a religious leader, who allegedly knows what's right and what's wrong - and he is simply pointing out that this is a great wrong.

Anyone who has the courage to speak up to right a wrong, no matter how "legal" it might be, has a DUTY to do what is within his/her power to do that. It's not as if the Pope is trying to force the issue; he is just trying to do his Christian duty to save a life that should never have been threatened in the first place. Several of us have pointed out that the man is going to go scot-free - and, apparently, it's OK to do that, even if the man either raped her or blackmailed her into doing it.

In other words, it's OK to seduce or rape a woman. But it's not OK for her to do what he asked. There's something wrong with this picture.

I APPLAUD the Pope's actions. I hope that other religious or political leaders interfere as well, even if some of us don't like it. We're not talking here about the Middle Eastern attitudes about blackmail, graft, forgery, etc. We're talking about a life. If the woman dies because she committed adultery, so should the man. How would you feel about that, Ralph? My guess is you'd probably feel the same way.

There are incidences when politics, good manners, or custom need to be set aside. If Iran murders this woman, I think that a lot of countries should stop all trade with them - and that includes the oil trade. And yes, for you pragmatists, I think it would be worth it. We need to get off our dependency to oil anyway.

Yes, I guess I've gone a bit far afield - but I feel strongly about the hypocrisy, sexism, and antiquated ideas involved in this situation. Let the Pope interfere - and any other prominent figure who has a modicum of courage. It's time that we got involved. Ralph, if you saw a man beating his dog, what would you do? I'd call the cops - even if it's technically none of my business. Honoring the life given by God, not man, trumps antiquated laws that had no connection with Mohammed. (He loved women.)
 

Mary Coleman (148)
Monday September 6, 2010, 5:36 pm
Thank you Ralph, for sending me this story. I am all for anything that will save this woman's life, but I completely understand your irritation---why does the Vatican step in to speak for a woman in another country when they allow so many treacheries to befall children. Terry B, rather than attacking Ralph for his opinion, maybe you should have tried to understand his point---Ralph doesn't want this woman to die any more than you do, but he is confused by the Vatican's concern for her when they care little for the children that their preists assault---and yes, it might not have been appropriate of him to automatically assume that you don't read much international news, however was it necessary to fire back about how many countries you've lived in? Much like the many places I've read BUZZ references to how many friends you had die at 911 it wasn't pertinent to the story, and like the rest of us Ralph IS entitled to his opinion and irritation regarding the Vatican without you assuming that he wants this poor woman to die by stoning. He signed all those same petitions you did begging to spare her life. His point was more about the Vatican trying to receive kudos in one area while they ignore or betray people, or rather children and their families, that should have been important to them in the first place. To me is DOES sound like a bid for positive PR; a machination to help draw people's attention away from them turning a blind eye to the plight of thousands of children, over the many years, at the hands of preists and I for one am appalled by that element. I SINCERELY hope that their effort does spare the life of this woman, and I could care less about her supposed adultery and will never accept the idea that she should die; but, in turn what IS the vatican going to do about the things they should have control over?? Anything?? Also, to Elizabeth C...is there really a need to regress to the antics of school children telling people to shut up? The first rule to debate is to hear your "opponent's" argument and to understand. Care2 is a forum for discussion, debate, and activism. Ralph has as much right to speak his views on this story as Terry B has to disagree with his views. Maybe next time you'll consider joining the discussion with an actual point rather than reverting to name calling.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 6:08 pm
Thanks for pointing out that everyone is entitled to their opinion Mary, I thought that was a given but apparently not.

Not really surprising that you have 0 friends and only 1 star Elizabeth. I sent you that star for your outstanding "shut up" contribution to the betterment of mankind and, later, for your outstanding attempt to justify the sagging credibility of the self serving Catholic church. Thank you.
 

Noor Al'Khatib (5)
Monday September 6, 2010, 6:50 pm
ouch Ralph but blatantly true
Noor
 

Mary Coleman (148)
Monday September 6, 2010, 7:01 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Ralph because you have done so within the last week.
 

Tyrone H. (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 7:59 pm
First of all when ur in Rome you ether abide by there law's, Get punished for breaking them , Or find some where else to live..Same thing goes for the corruption makers in Iraq you ether abide by there Law's ,except ur punishment or MOVE OUT every Country has its rules,regulations and punishment and its your personal choice to eater stay there or move, but if you stay your knowingly agreeing to abide by the Laws and except the consequences for breaking them rather u agree with them or not.Its amazing how people criticize the Arabs for there custom and law when it is clear and well known. She knew the Law what the consequences were yet she still chose to do it, If I were to commit a crime when I am aware its Illegal and I will be arrested and punished if I am caught , I have the choice to ether think twice,take my chances,or move to another country where its legal . Yet if I choose to take my chances and get caught how am I to say it is unjust for me to be punished.
 

Ricardo C (66)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:04 pm
A message from the Pope, in favor of this poor women is a very good step. Now, what if all leaders of all the countries of the world stepped in? This would be fenomenal! We have, on this sight, people from all over the world, let's start calling our leaders to speak for you, the world!

 

Stan B (123)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:04 pm
This thread was posted to show the Vatican, as well as many governments and other organisations, are trying to save this poor woman from a barbaric,state-imposed execution. There should never have been an attempt to hijack the subject by introducing the misdemeanors of the Catholic church which, as bad as they are, is a total red herring.
Terry B. As usual you got it right from the start but that's what I would have expected from you. Green star on its way.
 

Janet R (38)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:17 pm
If the Pope can save this poor woman from a horrible death then I am all for it. Both religions are barbaric but so long as it saves her life then it doesn't matter.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:37 pm
Yes Stan, fortunately the world is awake to this and upstanding organizations from the U.N. down have openly protested. As such, I have grave doubts that the stoning will take place. Iran is already under world pressure over its alleged nuclear weaponary and surely would not be foolish enough to proceede with this barbaric act....

My simple point is that the Pope, being a criminal, and by virtue of his non-Islamic religion is obnoxious to Islamists and not really a valid protestor. I wouldn't want Charles Manson interfering in my court case on my behalf would you?.

I had no intention of hijacking your story, I initially made a single simple statement that was jumped on and trampled to death. In defense I would suggest that it was up to you to bring those who would hijack your story under control long before I felt the need to defend one simple comment?

If I offended anyone at all it was unintentional and I appologise for throwing a spanner in the works, it was aimed at thinking peple but obviously missed.
 

Debbie H (115)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:38 pm
The main point of this whole issue is saving a woman from an unjust "punishment" and death. We are all aware, I'm sure, of the less than favorable history and reputation of both Catholicism and of Islam...but, at the risk of sounding naive (?) ...can we not put that aside for now and focus on the fact that a person's life is at stake ...? Thank you.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:43 pm
I thought I had done that Debbie?
 

Stan B (123)
Monday September 6, 2010, 8:47 pm
Ralph. If you were aiming at " thinking people " you need to check your facts more carefully. This was Sophie's story not mine. BTW I wasn't in the least bit offended by your contribution. I just felt it detracted from the main issue.
Debbie. I agree totally.
 

Ralph R Sutton (56)
Monday September 6, 2010, 9:23 pm
Green Star Debbie Hogan. No matter what evils either of these religions have committed the focus here should be on saving this woman's life.
 

moggy w (119)
Monday September 6, 2010, 10:07 pm
Agree with Ralph R. Sutton, comment above. All I want to say has been eloquently said by Terry B at 3.21pm. and on a different part in this discussion, Ralph Banned (608pm) hit a new low when he commented on another writer's paucity of Care friends. is this kindergarten?-
 

Jose Ramon Fisher Rodriguez (13)
Monday September 6, 2010, 11:28 pm
I agree with Anna Borsey and Denise Tankha. And to echo a letter to the editor I saw in a French newspaper, it's not an issue of pardoning or punishing someone guilty, but of railroading someone innocent.
 

Luciana D (30)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 12:02 am
Green star to Mary D. It's true that the catholic church (the Vatican) is almost the only religion defending injustice. What about the protestants? The jews? The buddhists? The muslims? The indus? And all the other minor religions preaching love but doing nothing? Just my opinion ...
 

Erika S (23)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 12:13 am
Welll since I am also entitled to my own opinion and am not to be judge by it I hope....I'd say that the pope and the vatican's history is irrelevant...Everyone at some point has made mistakes...all religions have made many mistakes...it is the people in the religion which make wrong choices...and yet not all devoted people actually have wrong doings...plus I don't think I have ever known of any perfect religion...except for love...Love is the only perfect religion because it focuses on forgiveness and authentically loving one another.....so...After hearing the hatred being spread I will say that this poor lady deserves to be saved by a loving and compassionate heart...no matter who owns this heart...the pope is helping and that's all that matters...please spread more love and less hate
 

Christina McCabe (35)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 12:29 am
It's not really about the Pope (with whom we & legions of Catholics disagree, hence the low birth rate in many Catholic countries), but about saving a woman's life, & her children's welfare, besides keeping this injustice in the public eye, so fair play to Papa Ratzinger on this.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 1:05 am
As a Catholic who is not fond of the new Pope, it is irrelevent to the issue. Don't you think this woman would accept ANYONE'S help at this point? Yes, he should have acted sooner, other faiths should defintely have stepped forward too. But of any religious leader, a Pope has the most pull. Just let the man do anything and everything he can, and work the rest out later. People here should not be using this opportunty to bash the Catholic Church. There are "crazy Catholics" like me, who would willingly die in an innocent person's place. You cannot judge the actions of all people because of one man!
 

Noor Al'Khatib (5)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 3:55 am
i agree with the majority of comments but please this lady did not technically commit adultery she was a widow at the time of these relationships. everyone is allowed their feelings on the right or wrong of her stoning which i believe is the last day of rammadan at the end of this week. please look into your hearts and pray for her and don't trash other religions we are all intitled to religious beliefs whatever they are.
 

Agnes W (141)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 4:28 am
noted, thanks for sharing this info.
 

tony lane (3)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 4:57 am
i dont think that the vatican or the pope carries any weight these since the lid has been blown off the catholic church regarding paedopilia among the clergy and also child sacrifice thats been going on beneath the vatican for a hell of a long time,so these are not the people to advocate mercy did the little children get any mercy from these perverts and child molesters,the pleading for someone's life must come from a person who is respected worldwide above all others,does anyone know that the word vatican comes from an ancient word vaticanus meaning DWELLING OF DEAMONS.
 

JustaHuman Here (53)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 5:36 am
The devil, pointing his finger on others.
 

Libby cootes (2)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 8:37 am
well ralph i only just started using this care2 website. and i NEVER have commented on something until i read YOUR comment.
you are honestly a bug in this thread of comments....constantly popping up attac,ing people with your stupid wit...for THEIR opinions.
maybe you dont need to shut up , just continue making yourself look like a thread bug.
and since you said that i have recieved a few green stars:) thank you people
 

Trish K (93)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 12:38 pm
Italy has strong economic relations with Iran. If the Vatican has strong economic relations with Iran it will never
come to the defense of a mere woman.
 

Patricia Hernandez (26)
Tuesday September 7, 2010, 10:24 pm
thanks, she is the woman who is going to open the eyes of so many to see what goes on in the lives of woman in that country, and hopefully she will bring justice and a voice for herself aswell as ones that suffer the same fate.
 

. (0)
Wednesday September 8, 2010, 11:19 am
Salam..I was asked to come and comment here and I see much ignorance of Islam and it really makes me sick. Please send to me the verses and the sura from the Holy Qur'an...where it has "stoning laws"...or ask your comment to be erased or correct yourself. There are many stupid things being said. No one of you has probably read the Holy Qur'an. Iran is not necessarily an "evil regime." How so? IN Islam men cannot have sex with any woman they wish! How silly and a thing to say !..I don't believe even the shia believe that thing.. The Holy Qur'an is very clear about it. And this story here? I think it is fake. Who was there? Who witnessed this thing? Who of you? none. The Vatican has no right to interfere with Iran in any way . Why? They should handle the problems of their own religion. Iran is a shiite country..a sect of Islam. It is not true Islam. I do not wish to bash or say anything hateful or rude to any of my brothers or sisters in Iran..as we are all Believers in the One God..but it is a sect of Islam. There is no stoning in Islam. Read the Torah..if you can find it anywhere...and Deuteronomy..now there is stoning in the Bible. Stephen was stoned...In the Qur'an..if there was adultery ... lashes were given...but..only for proven cases. These laws are not adhered to in any countries. There are no Muslim countries at this time by the way on the face of the planet. None adhere to the sharia laws...which none of you know what they are...so please do not mention them. Speaking without knowledge is so disturbing...it causes more hate and ignorance and actual stupidity. If you wish to know about Islam read the Qur'an...or just stop talking about it. Muslims suffer so much Islamaphobia in this country because of all this stuff...which 99% is not even factua! That is really bad...People who are here in this site are very aware and I thought smart...arij
 

. (0)
Wednesday September 8, 2010, 11:26 am
I would take that star away Ralph if I could! You need to seek actual facts and truth and knowledge...regarding
men and women in "Islamic countries"...wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......there is a great difference between the actual teachings of a religion and the people in that religion. You should already know that. We suffer enough from all the lies..it is enough!!!!!!!
 

Tyrone H. (0)
Wednesday September 8, 2010, 2:19 pm
Masha'Allah. arji I indeed you are indeed correct I recently finished reading Nobal Quran from front to back Al hamdulelah and indeed I was ignorant, uneducated and I am sincerely correcting myself. The stoning of women is no where to be found in the Noble Quran nor was it once once stated as the punishment for Adultery. It is not Sunnah, and the beloved messenger would never instructed anybody to stone women to death. As for the person who stated that men can have sex with any woman they wish and to those of you who haven't made an afford yet to pick up a Quran to educate your self yet Pleas read the following below.

The ADULTERER and the ADULTERESS, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred lashes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment. The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers. And those who accuse HONORABLE WOMEN but bring not four witnesses, scourge them (with) eighty stripes and NEVER (afterward) accept their testimony - They indeed are evil-doers - Save those who afterward repent and make amends. (For such) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing) by Allah that he is of those who speak the truth; And yet a fifth, invoking the curse of Allah on him if he is of those who lie. And it shall avert the punishment from her if she bear witness before Allah four times that the thing he saith is indeed false, And a fifth (time) that the wrath of Allah be upon her if he speaketh truth. Quran 24:9

Tell the believing MEN to lower their gaze, and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is All-Aware of what they do.
AND tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers....Qur'an 24:30-31

Salam

 

Mary D (64)
Wednesday September 8, 2010, 4:17 pm
Thank you, Anj and Tyrone. I read the Koran (a translation of it into English) many years ago, and I only remember a few parts of it. I hope that the two of you continue to point out any misconceptions we may have about the subject. But for what it's worth, I don't recall anything about stoning from the Koran. I do remember that Mohammed decreed that a man was only allowed four wives and that he was to take care of them for the rest of their lives, or if the wives outlived him, his sons would take care of them. So it's no surprise to me that there are no stoning laws mentioned in the Koran.

It sounds like we know less about the Koran than we should.. I plan to reread it. There are so-called Christians in this country (USA) who preach fiery and judgmental sermons that would make Jesus cringe. And in Hinduism, there are a lot of misconceptions, too. (I was a student of Hinduism for many years.) If only people would actually read the scriptures, they might get a big shock.

I hope that you're right, that the story of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani is a hoax. That such a punishment would be decreed in this so-called enlightened era is a travesty.
 

Klaus Peters (14)
Saturday September 18, 2010, 8:12 am
It seems to have turned into a war of words: Islam v Pope Benedict on this subject. I am more worried about this young lady, lets concentrate on that, wether the pope helps or anybody else does. I think the young lady does not deserve to be stoned and the Iranian Gov. should stop that or pardon her. Mistakes can be forgiven, even under Islam. What about the adulterer? I guess he crept away like a coward and dissappeared.
 
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