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Global Climate Change Facts: The Truth, The Consensus, and the Skeptics

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Most of these scientists believe that the sun is at the root of the warming (if any), but that other factors are also at work. To help separate fact from fiction, an explanation of these thoughts is included here, along with links to these materials.


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Judy Cross (83)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 2:00 pm
A really good site I hadn't seen before. Its companionsite on Global Cooling looks very good too. Thanks, Robin

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 2:18 pm
Inhofe Recycles Unscientific Attacks on Global warming, NYT's Revkin Gives Him a Pass

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday December 22, 2007, 5:58 pm
Sen. Inhofe’s misleading climate denial “report.”

Yesterday, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) released a “climate change is real and a problem“:

The 400 scientists they characterize as disputing man-made climate change include mostly folks no one has ever heard of, and the quotes they cherry pick aren’t all expressing doubt about whether climate change is real and a problem — many are simply expressing differing opinions about the degree of warming and the consequences of that warming. Others simply cited phenomena that might be causing warming in addition to that caused by greenhouse gases.

Kalee Kreider, a spokeswoman for Al Gore, told the Times that “25 or 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil Corp.” Adam Siegel has more debunking of Inhofe here.

UPDATE: Joe Romm takes a closer look at some of the members on Inhofe’s global warming deniers list. December 21, 2007 5:33 pm | Comment (212)


Past Member (0)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 3:11 am

It`s easy to bash the Scientists who deny the G.W. hysteria, and accuse them of `MAYBE` having received funds from Exxon - but lets reverse that shall we.

How do we know that all the Green Parties who are spouting this rubbish are not being paid by the Global Elitists ????? who incidentally DO intend to control you (yes, unfortunately, even you Blue Bunting) as you will find out soon enough.

Scared of global warming ?
Its nothing to how darn scared you gonna be when you are lining up for your `cancer inducing microchip` !!!!

But, you see, thats just it - they`ve got to get you scared silly before you would do that, whilst I know, and THEY know, that the majority of people are quite sensible & logical really, once they`ve rid themselves of all the lies, and put on the breast plate of TRUTH.

Compare this whole thing to what they told you about Iraq.
Would any of those soldiers have been stupid enough to go to Iraq, had they not been told that Saddam had a hand in 911, and Saddam had WMD ?
NO, of course, they wouldnt.
But once they believed the LIES - off they trundled with their kit to go and blast the Iraqis.
NOW, and when they know the TRUTH, they can see how they`ve been deceived.

They are putting this `war on climate change` on a par with their `war on terror`
If its not Saddam, its Ahmadinejad, and if its not the Muslims, its the climate.

For petes sake, NATURE IS NOT OUR ENEMY.

Nature provides for you. Yes, even all `cures` come from the ground.
But they LIE on that as well, dont they ?
They dismiss `natural practitioners` as `DENIALISTS of modern medicine` just so they can sell you their poison from their PROFIT PROVIDING CORPORATIONS.

When will ppl STOP falling for ALL of these LIES ?


Robert K (437)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 9:20 am
Since GW is getting to be more metaphysical due to Corporatists playing both ends against the middle and running the whole show either way, this we do know. Everything that comes out of busCo's mouth he uses doublespeak that in actuality falsifies the truth. So if he, bushCo, says GW is not scientifically true, we automatically know that is a lie.

Judy Cross (83)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 11:28 am
Robert, the Global Warming Scam is more sophisticated than Good Guyvs Bad or Dems vs Repubs. There is a script running which is based on controlling both sides of the argument. Bushco plays its part of villain...which it does very well in other areas, so that the public is lead to think in an automatic fashion.It occured to me only a few days ago, that a very stacked Conservative Supreme Court upheld the EPA ruling that CO2 is a pollutant.
If the right wing were not onside with the Globalist AGW agenda, they would have noticed that CO2 is the major building block of all life and is present in only trace amounts. Instead they supported a totally senseless, off the wall demonization of CO2 by the EPA.

Daniel Barker (35)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 12:17 pm
I ask those who believe in GW: how many children do you have? If you have more than two by choice, you support President Bush and the illegal war machine. Actions speak louder than words. I have no chidren, and plan on one child and adoption.

Carol W (119)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 12:20 pm

Yaye Jude! How true, how true.

Carol W (119)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 12:24 pm

Its not children we need to limit... It is government. (LOL)

Nicole P (99)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 2:22 pm
Daniel, I so agree with you.
Although I can "understand" the desire for procreation. It has become immoral to have so many kids in our time. The planet is overpopulated despite what the right-wing nuts say. I have never planned to have children (although I love them) and I never will. It's the responsible thing to do in my opinion.
Of course, I am not forcing anybody to make this particular choice but to consider the consequences of more people on this planet beyond the natural selfish need for children. I think about all the orphans of the world who lost their families to conflict or "natural" catastrophes (which are mostly man-made thanks to the polluters).

Nicole P (99)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 2:24 pm
I would like to add to the above by saying that if women were treated as equals, educated about their bodies and empowered in many third world countries, we would see an enormous reduction in the number of children born within the next generation. This is, I think, the GREATEST challenge for the future. As long as the population grow, all the efforts made to stop global warming are just band-aid as population growth means for depletion.

Judy Cross (83)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 3:38 pm
Could we please keep the climate issues separate from the Globalist push to reduce the population? I really wonder about the population reduction meme and the absolutely outrageous suggestion that anyone who has more that 2 children is a Bush supporter.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 4:56 pm
Granted, the connection between two children and being a Republican is tenuous at best. However, it is very difficult to have a substantive conversation about climate issues without addressing population control. They are intimately (no pun intended) connected.

Daniel Barker (35)
Sunday December 23, 2007, 5:33 pm
Americans clearly consume too much. Forever people have strove for success - something better for themselves. Now we have it - too much meat, too big car, too big house, too big appliances. Think about it - the typical American lives roughly the same as Henry VIII - right down to the diet, too much meat and potatoes.

The solution is simple - live with less. Live in a modest home, as I do.

Marc Gartmann (142)
Monday December 24, 2007, 2:57 am
Instead of talking all the time about climate change and the big bad elite who wants to take our freedoms away, we should act. Freedom comes with responsibility, and sadly most people forget about the second part and want to play without consequences, or thoughts about the effects of their actions and behaviours. Most people don't show a responsible adulthood in how they treat each other and the natural world. Children need to learn the rules of the planet (even the adult ones). Nothing comes for free, even if our Governments and leaders did everything to provide us with our games and hide the consequences for the people, they cannot continue with that indefinetly, and somewhere in the near future the price will be presented.
Reducing your footprint is good, but what we need more is real adults who know they have a responsibility towards the next generations. You cannot force responsibility on someone. You take responsibility, and only love can help you do that.
You cannot take away anybodies freedom. It's always given away.
People who claim that nothing is wrong with the planet and our lifestyles, live in Lala land.
Being intelligent doesn't say anything about the wisdom of a person, just as being old doesn't say anything about the maturity of a person. Don't be mislead by people who tell you what you want to hear.

Past Member (0)
Monday December 24, 2007, 5:27 am

I would ask : why should couples keep to only having TWO children, when the likes of that ejit Al Gore lives in a 20 bedroomed mansion, flies all over the place spreading his crap, and no doubt has several cars to boot.

God DIDNT tell anyone to live in a mansion - but He did say `be fruitful and multiply, and have dominion over the earth`

Of course, nowadays there is always the very valid argument that to bring children into the world could be deemed a little irresponsible in view of the threats of war, and how they could be used as cannon fodder should war break out. That must be a personal decision for each individual to decide.

Once governments start limiting children though, dont forget you are likely to see a vast escalation in ABORTIONS, but for many that doesnt seem to count for much, whilst they have no respect for human life anyway.

I think the answer lies in people LOWERING THEIR EXPECTATIONS - buy less - have less - and as Daniel said : LIVE MODESTLY - small car - small house - less luxuries etc etc.
The more we buy we only keep making the wealthy even richer.

BTW, what need has Al Gore got for a 20 room mansion ???????
I think some people should be talking to him about living modestly.
He ought to go and practice what he preaches.
He`s nothing more than a HYPOCRITE.


Judy Cross (83)
Monday December 24, 2007, 1:07 pm
To all those who want us to "reduce our carbon footprints." I say, you do it. Since CO2 is not a pollutant,we wasted time anf energy fighting a phantom. Yes, we should examine our lives and eliminate waste and extravagance,, but will you please take a look at Bali. 15,000 people partying, most at public expense, while pretending to save the planet. Get real!

I think being fruitfull might be best seperated from multiplying, but given that we are already not replacing ourselves in developed countries, the obvious way to reduce population is to increase the wealth of the poor.
We know that.
All of this tallying up your carbon footprint is the green equivalent of navel gazing. There is real work to be done in cleaning up the environment, and this horse puckey about CO2 is sidetracking us from doing it.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 25, 2007, 7:06 pm
Well I have one question for those who believe that the pollution that is spewn every day from factories,energy facilities and cars is not causing GW and that CO2 is not a pollutant ," don't sniff your tail pipe to find out,".
If the science that says pollution is the cause of GM and we do something about it and the science is proven wrong we at least have cleaner air to breath and water to drink .But if we do nothing and the science is right that pollution is causing global warming then we would have to suffer the consequences of our mistake ,,which could be devastating. What price are you willing to pay to prove your right that GW is not caused by pollution.It makes sense to me that its always better to be safe rather than sorry.Besides I love the idea of a cleaner world .
BTW as a retired nurse you might be surprised in the rise of asthma and COPD in this state in the last 20 years because of pollution.

Marc Gartmann (142)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 1:56 am
Co2 is no pollution. If you suck the tailpipe of a car you will probably die first of the carbonmonoxide CO. I also think it is not a very nice way to debate, but I can understand your frustration.
I'm not that much in favor of reducing our carbon footprint, Judy, but I'm advocating reducing our footprint. 99% of the crap we buy every day lands on a landfill in less then a half year. All these resources are taken away from the Earth and not put back, poissoning the soil (if burnt also the air), the groundwater, the rivers, etc... We are crapping all over the place and at the same time we are complaining we are living in a world of shit. A lot of people don't talk to their neighbours, but do have an opinion about them. It's easier to form an opinion, then to try understand where somebodies comming from. If you want to understand, you need to start seeing the dynamics at work.
The problems we have at our hands are so complicated nobody can cure them on their own. Leaders are challenged with an impossible task dealing with an overpopulated world, very divers interest groups who are all advocating their own benifits, a marketpolicy that makes scarcity a great place to invest in (the scarcer the product, the higher it's value) leading to gigantic waste of energy and resources, but also creating more capital to fuel even more consumption and pressure on food and energy markets. Unsustainable ways of production and use of resources like topsoil and water, or fish in the sea creating not only a poissonous future for our children, but probably no future for a lot of children. A spoiled and childish population in the wealthy parts of the world who go on the barricades to protest high fuel prices, but do not care a lot about everything else (like freedoms, or peace, or nature), an extremely poor part of the world with a lack of education and everything else and who can have a lot of rage inside them, especially when some leaders fuel them with hate towards the west. Religions extremists who love to see the profecies come true and think that only WWIII can bring them salvation. Other extremists, even environmentalist extremists who like to create a socialist worldpower and abort a big part of the human race.
It's all there. all your worst nightmares.
Now imagine you're a leader, or you want to lead to bring the world to a better place. Good at heart, intelligent, listening, analising, etc... The perfect leader.
No matter what plan you come up with, when there is some support to your ideas (do you have some?) and you get some power to move things, you get confronted with a populace that is apathetic, drugged, hardly educated, very judgemental about everyone who tries to move something they cannot understand, threats, financial lobbies with or against you, millions of opinions and curses directed your way, people who float you with 'scientific evidence' that often cannot be trusted, bias and a lot of other things I cannot even imagine right now.
What do you expect from a leader?
If people don't start to move in the right direction, your worst nightmares will come true and the blame game will help no one, nor prevent anything.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 9:05 am

Linda is not very long ago that medics were suggesting the cause for the rise in ASTHMA could be all the household sprays we use around the home (and yes they might be right)

Then, another group was suggesting that it was the cholorine fumes from swimming pools (again, not beyond possibility)

There is always the possibility that it could be caused by so many cars. Not just from the fumes emitted but slao by how children are regularly riding round in these vehicles instead of walking & filling their lungs wih fresh air.

There`s nothing wrong with us cleaning up the earth, and wind/solar power is fine by me, but lets just put things into perspective, should we not also be ridding the earth of NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS?

Its been stated in the past few days that Iran intends to build ANOTHER NINE N.P. plants. Now I`m not just picking on Iran because of the current U.S.-Iran arguments, but rather what I am saying here is this : whilst we can see more & more earthquakes happening, then is it not fool hardy to have these plants especially in countries which are susceptable to earthquakes - and yes that does include the U.S., but Iran also is a known earthquake risk zone. Let us NEVER forget that Chenobyl was an accident.

BUT NOW MUCH ATTENTION IS BEING PAID TO THIS ? Very little as far as I can see.

Quite frankly, we dont need terrorists to blow us up, whilst we are more than capable of doing it to ourselves, yet few seem to appreciate that.


Nicole P (99)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 11:20 am
Thank you for the excellent points, Marc. I think you get it totally right and I support your opinion.

Faith Day (1)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 11:48 am
I noticed that no one cares to mention about How china's one child policy is working?
Investigators found that it is the population that is abiding by this rule however , people in the chinese govt have flagrently abuse this law, by having one child, but with several partners.

Judy I love that you mention a court ruling saying C)2 is a pollutant. That is hilarious. We need to get rid of those nasty plants that breathe that CO2 pollutant and create oxygen for us to breathe.

Once these criminals control all the water and all the oxygen. We will be enslaved.

FACT the global warming debate was thought of by the Rochefellars and people heed my warning now. If their global warming lie goes down the tubes, the next phase is to scare us into submission claimming we are being attacked by an alien race.

Now I read books, so it is up to you to beleive what I say, But it is right in Rochefellar's autobiography

Marc why is it if i breathe a tail pipe i will die of carbon Monoxide, yet at least three times a week I eat red meat that has Carbon Monoxide placed it in as a preservative?

Nicole P (99)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 4:24 pm
I am not so worried about Iran's nuclear plans. They are at least 10 years away! I am more worried about the ones we have here in the US and Europe and all the damn Coal powered plants. Let's clean our own houses before picking on others!

Marc Gartmann (142)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 11:09 pm
From Wickipedia for Faith:"Carbon monoxide is a significantly toxic gas and has no odor or color. It is the most common type of fatal poisoning in many countries.[18] Exposures can lead to significant toxicity of the central nervous system and heart."
I didn't know about the red meat thing. I don't eat meat. I suggest you find out what the CO does in your meat.
Food is a whole different area to discuss climate change. Not only the unsustainable ways of production, but also the additives. When the American eating style is imported to other countries, you can see the rates of depression, heart diseases, diabetics, cancer, increase in the years to come. How does it affect the mental state and the emotional state of the masses?

Marc Gartmann (142)
Wednesday December 26, 2007, 11:24 pm
The building of nuclear plants is part of the political move to gain power. Nuclear plants and waste are a danger and the uranium needed as a fuel is also a scarce material. The price of uranium exploded from 7 dollars to over a hundred dollar in a few years.
It's a simple equation: when power is provided to the people in large scale, people stay dependant on big multinationals, or their Governments for something that has grown to be an important means of survival. The more people provide in their own clean energy sources, the more power will slip through their fingers.
The same with food production. If you let the food production come into the hands of a few multi nationals who control every aspect from growing, to production, to transport, they have a lot of power to wield over the people. As food is getting scarcer, it will get more expensive.
When people do nothing, they will become (or already are) slaves to the providers of food and energy who can ask any price they want.
Corporations like Monsanto have an active strategy to conquer the entire food market.

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2007, 3:24 am

They LIED about 911
They LIED about Saddam and WMD in Iraq
They LIED about 07/07
They LIE about the Muslims (except for those who we have upset - aka the fundamentalists)
They LIE about `the war on terror`
They LIE about all the data loss.
They even LIE about man made global warming

'Never forget that religious and personal freedoms aren't taken away all at once.
Rather it's done a little at a time so no one sees or realizes what's happening! If people are lied to often enough, most begin to believe the lie. All of a sudden you wake up and realize what you thought was there, isn't any longer. When your leaders are liars and cheats, it's time to leave!'

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” - Harry S. Truman

The plan is to bombard the collective psyche with so many shocks, such as 'terrorist attacks' and 'lone nutter gunmen', that the public look to their government to protect them. In doing so, people will accept fundamental breaches of their civil and human rights in the cause of 'keeping us safe'. It is simple and devastatingly effective until the targets know what the game is.

The sooner ppl WAKE UP and see its ALL one mega bunch of lies - then the sooner they will be free again.

FREE yourselves whilst you still have that chance.


Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2007, 3:28 am

They are owning people, lock, stock and barrel - both MATERIALLY and MENTALLY.

They`re taking away people`s options to use `natural medicines` thereby enslaving you to MEGA PHARMA.

They`re destroying the farming industry with deliberately released virus`s - thereby forcing you to only use their G.M. crops.

They`ve entered the schools - they`ve kicked GOD out.
In His place they have installed a FAKE god called Al Gore who will now brain wash your children.

Oh, when will people WAKE UP ?



Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2007, 3:31 am

‘............. first they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics and I did not speak out because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.’

--- Pastor Martin Niemoller (1892-1984) ---
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