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Take Aways From Pope Francis Address to the US Congress

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Pope Francis has just concluded his first visit to the United States. I am sure that the analysis will go on for weeks as American politicians and pundits try to grapple with, in my opinion, the admonitions of this Pope.


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David C (75)
Monday September 28, 2015, 8:04 am
my take away was that the "Gop christians" are even more hypocritical........they only believe in the Christianity that they want to use to support their greed, prejudice, war-mongering, and general awfulness.

Animae C (508)
Monday September 28, 2015, 8:27 am

Thanx Lynn

Joanne Dixon (37)
Monday September 28, 2015, 9:31 am
As the Pope says, fundalmentalism is "the simplistic reductionism which sees only good or evil; or, if you will, the righteous and sinners." I doubt few of us, no matter what religion would see ourselves in such black and white terms.

I assume you mean "few of us who read this blog." Having spent way too much time (of course five minutes would be too much time) surrounded be people who do just that, I fear they are not all that few in number. Sigh.

pam w (139)
Monday September 28, 2015, 10:18 am
The day he announces that humanity should reduce its reproductive rate.....I MIGHT think he's serious.

Sarah Dyson (139)
Monday September 28, 2015, 10:27 am
Noted and very interesting. HUGS FROM TEXAS

Angelika R (143)
Monday September 28, 2015, 11:04 am
Hopefully there WIL BE any take aways! Long after the news coverage of these events.
While I agree with Pam on that issue I still have no doubts about the pope's seriousness and sincerity on everything else.

Chris C (152)
Monday September 28, 2015, 11:33 am
If the Pope can bring tears from Boehner, then there is hope for us.
I could literally FEEL Boehner's relief at leaving politics.
Pope Francis is the closest we have ever gotten to a liberal. I think he is great and he is serious...but it must be for the "powers that be" in our government to change things.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday September 28, 2015, 11:37 am
Our relief at Bone Head leaving politics far outweighs his own ego.

The Pope talking to a Republican dominated congress is rather than a policeman trying to lecture a bunch of criminals.

JL A (281)
Monday September 28, 2015, 2:43 pm
A wonderful summary Lynn–and an opportunity for self reflection for all of us and our country if we want to be able to call ourselves a leader and/or a moral country

Walter F (128)
Monday September 28, 2015, 4:12 pm
He pulls no punches.He is walking in the footsteps of his Master.

Mitchell D (82)
Monday September 28, 2015, 6:51 pm
What a hell of a guy!
Boehner shed tears, I guess, when he realized how incredibly poorly he'd been acting all these years, as Pope Francis spoke.
Actually, I do not give a damn why he cried, as long as he is gone and the next Speaker is not another nut job!

Past Member (0)
Monday September 28, 2015, 7:38 pm
I note in the article that the take aways, reflections, lasting memories, ongoing impact of the popes words and deeds during his US visit, are quite positive, hopeful . On climate change, in particular, the appeal to rather soul-less republicans to repair, renew Earth out of moral, civic duty---may last awhile. I feel that his appeals on all else will slowly fade, with little or no alteration for the better. I found it shockingly intriguing, for the moral audacity it took, to stand on American soil and address all these issues, and chastise those not living by "The Golden Rule", then never mention the Native American Indians, who have and are suffering an ongoing genocide, as well as every form of injustice, disrespect and abuse there is---then for the pope to walk with the politicians to stop and say a prayer and bless the statue of Father Junipero Serra, who the pope made a saint of--a man who was pro Native American Indian genocide. So, reread what I just said, and try to convince me that the pope lives by The Golden Rule. Also, when he purposely debases, spits upon the Indian, ask yourself why and then ask yourself if this is your truth, your inner feeling of what a true Christian is. I'd love to respect this man, but, I can't, because I can't get past that truth. If a man is not truthful and/or just about one issue, especially a very critical issue that has and is affecting the lives, suffering and deaths of a whole race---then he could and must be unjust and untruthful about other issues. This saddens my heart, for the entire world's sake, as he has brought one of the last rays of hope to so many and has made and will make some positive change. Further, I ask, did anyone hear on TV, anyone mention this issue with the Native Indians? Even when they covered the "Saint's" statue? Having worked as a "Gal Friday" for one of the first female reporters for "The Washington Post", I understand reporting. There is no way any reporter or news station is ignorant of this issue. Think the rest out for yourself. I too, am waiting for a savior, even an imperfect one. The feeling of awe and respect, of being so much less, spiritually, than the pope, are reflected globally. For me, I have more reverence, adoration, love, respect, and put my hopes on Bernie Sanders and others who are bluntly honest and have as their driving force, the passion to save Earth and all that lives. He and those rare few others, do not possess a religious title, or a sainthood, but in the heart and soul of the pope and "Saint" Serra, they know and admit the real truth---and how it has and will go on affecting the planet. That is what they chose to do with their free will. What I chose to do, is probably lose friends, by telling the real truth---and you should research this, if you have doubt. What you choose to "Take Away" from that truth will be done of your own free will, and what you do and say about it will affect the entire globe. I wish The One who spoke only Truth and Love, would come back now and expose critical lies, and heal all that is and bring peace to all.

Vivian B (169)
Monday September 28, 2015, 8:20 pm
Thanks Lynn!

Edith B (146)
Monday September 28, 2015, 9:25 pm
Thanks, Lynn. I am not Catholic, but I love this Pope. He speaks for almost everyone

Louise D (44)
Monday September 28, 2015, 10:01 pm
If anything the Pope's visit has shown how dysfunctional the Republicans are: Ann Coulter managed to overstep basic decency, reality in a fact free diatribe against the Pope as he had the temerity to mention climate change. It takes an especial type of stupid, ignorant or just wrong just to come out with some of the crass statements she seemed to be opening with a question of whether or not Catholics should even be admitted as citizens, the last time this was part of politics it was from the "Know Nothing" party. This was shown by way that some Republicans have even without irony saying the religion has no place in politics, when they scream about Gods law over any issue and make sure they a regular church goers yet seem to miss the very precepts of their religion with their actions.

Jonathan Harper (0)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 1:04 am

PlsNoMessage se (588)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 1:17 am
Said it so many times, this Pope means business! He SAYS and really DO things that has never been said or done before. He walks the talk letterly :-)

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 6:30 am
Re: Janice B.s remark "If a man is not truthful and/or just about one issue, especially a very critical issue that has and is affecting the lives, suffering and deaths of a whole race---then he could and must be unjust and untruthful about other issues. "
hmm, I am not entirely sure if this conclusion holds water. I think maybe there can be exceptions due to circumstances. So, 'could' yes, but 'must be' doubtful at least.
Also, I have no idea how well the pope may be informed of this particular problem as for an ongoing one in present time and very recent past. Although he did say, referring to the lives of Native Americans "Mistreatment and wrongs which today still trouble us, especially because of the hurt which they cause in the lives of many people."

"I ask, did anyone hear on TV, anyone mention this issue with the Native Indians? [...]There is no way any reporter or news station is ignorant of this issue. "
Quite true, there's no way any media could be ignorant of it.
My anser: yes indeed, at least CNN (it was either Jake Tapper or Jim Sciutto, the only US station I'm able to watch over here and which had nearly uninterrupted live coverage on all days, wouldn't know about other stations' coverage) did in fact mention this during live report in the correct context and pointed out that in the beginning of the ceremony, there was a part read in Chochenyo, a dialect of Ohlone Native Amercian language.
Obviously meant as sort of a giving acknowledgement to the wrong done type of thing. It was explained in similar way as this article does:

CNN's written account also offers a sufficient perspective on the controversy.:

Patrick Donovan (344)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 12:22 pm
I agree with Mitchell: those were probably tears of shame!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 2:34 pm
Hi Angelika. I feel that the pope had to have done an extensive background check into Father Serra, before making a Saint of the man. In so doing, he would have and does possess the knowledge of the fact that Father Serra was the driving force behind the genocide of the Native American Indians. I'm certain that with all of his compassion and empathy, he can feel what the Indian feels in re making a Saint of their murderer. Shall the Indian, the world, God in Heaven, forgive him----for he knows what he did and does? I think that is a decision, based on inner awareness and compassion, that each soul must come to themselves.
When a man is willing and able and does make a decision to be false on one point, one issue---I, personally, will always feel that they could, and most likely would, be a repeat offender. If a soul forgives himself, rationalizes that he is an exception to "The Golden Rule", and speaks an untruth or commits a deed that has a negative effect on even one other soul---I personally feel that he may well do so again. If all of the souls on Earth feel that this is excusable, and that this man deserves the highest reverence in spite of this---even if the next wronged soul is a loved one or themselves----so be it. History is filled with irrational fervor, error, death in the name of revered holiness. I am merely removing myself from that crowd. I believe in what the pope says he believes. In God, Jesus, The Resurrection (Holy Ghost), Heaven's angels. I certainly am not saying that I am a better soul than the pope. I am saying, that Im one up on him in just one major, critical area. I have never, and would never, and could never, knowingly condone genocide, insult, disrespect, ignore the ongoing abuse and genocide of an entire race, Most especially, I'd not stand upon the land that was taken from them, their own homeland, and bless a statue of a man I'd made a saint of, who was responsible for their genocide. I couldn't. I have Native Indian blood, mingled with that of those who came and took away all---John Alden, wh was on the Mayflower. I have the blood of President John Adams. The blood of "Braveheart" William Wallace. Why I tell you this, is because I possess their inability to abide injustice, unfairness, and untruths. If someone truly believes in their heart and soul, that The Golden Rule is the basic rule to live by, and rebukes others for not abiding by it, then set the ideal example of it's truth---live it yourself.
Thank you Angelika for what you said and how you said it. Also, as I don't get cable TV, didn't see the above. At least that one addressed this issue on the Native Indians, and the unjust insult and ongoing damages this pope's action will cause, to an entire race, by Sainting Serra? Good. Like you or anyone on C2, we have free will to remain silent, or sit-on-the-fence on "touchy" issues. Then most would remain respectful, friendly. Even that would be dishonest. I had to risk losing friends, return and say, this is from my heart---and explain why.

Theresa D (5)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 5:26 pm
Very interesting article. Thank you for sharing. Noted.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday September 29, 2015, 6:03 pm
Thank you Janice for returning and saying what you felt you had to and, in fact did say! It is apppreciated.
I don't see why you would lose any friends over it.
I could further elaborate on this topic and issue involved, but, I hate to take Lynn's thread further off-topic from what it originally was meant to be. Therefore I won't. But when I find the time I may drop you a personal message getting back to this in hopes we can reach some agreement eventually. :)

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 30, 2015, 11:07 am
Totally disagree!! If it's was good enough for the Arrogant-Ass, Benjamin Netanyahu, it's was good enough for Pope Francis!

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 30, 2015, 11:09 am
How can you un-do what has already been done??!! DUH...

Michael M (60)
Sunday October 4, 2015, 5:19 pm
Janis and Angelika:

Remember that our beliefs stem from other beliefs, and from the social group in which we perceive ourselves.

Although I am less endowed with human social groups than most, and my own beliefs arose before my own indoctrination into catholicism (became too angry at that god of gas at age 13 when it allowed parental abuse and the death of a HUGE number of animals with whom I played), I support the people of this continent in their ways of being.
The Pope cannot admit that the problem stems from the historical organization of which he has sworn allegiance to.
When the christians tok power in Rome in the 100s ad's I believe from historical account, they became just like the other.
This is a human trait, this social status-seeking an dviolence.
While Toypurina Carac did much to expose the problem with the Spanish invades in the period after 1492, we cannot expect them to abjure their way of getting conversion and power.
Francis is merely a step along the way to greater connectedness, and his failure has already shed light amng the Indios of the western hemisphere.

I suppose, just as our genes are all mixed together, so is our future.
Still, I stand with the people who, if you have not read my commets on the Peoples who were against the canonization of Serra, did not even have a word for banding together to invade others - they did not have a word or concept of war.

I split with my best uncle, who taught me may indigenous ways, because he was a crazy catholic,and sent money to the Pine Ridge Rez to keep enslaving young Sioux minds by missionaries. That whole history there is really bad, yet, as you will see if you study, still the recognition that all are relatives exists, and the remembrance of much good exists among all the native Americans.

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